good friday morning, i'm erica hill. >> and i'm jim sciutto. we are following several major stories this morning, including a cnn exclusive. arizona senator kyrsten sinema leaving the democratic party, officially now registering as an independent. this is just two days after her now former party secured a narrow majority in the senate. the white house out with a statement just in the last few minutes saying in their view this does not change the new democratic majority control of the senate. we're going to dive into what this means for democrats, plus more from jake tapper's

exclusive interview with sinema. also this morning wnba star brittany greener is back on u.s. soil, landing this morning after spending nearly ten months in a russian prison. what is next for her, plus new details about the prisoner swap and how the u.s. determined viktor bout is no longer a vet to america. first, though, that cnn television exclusive, arizona senator kyrsten sinema has now left the democratic party, registered as an independent as she told cnn's jake tapper. >> i've registered as an arizona independent. i know some people might be a little bit surprised by this, but actually i think it makes a lot of sense, you know, a growing number of arizonans and people like me just don't feel like we fit neatly into one party's box or the other and so like many across the state and the nation i've decided to leave that partisan process. >> so the -- ever since rafael

warnock, senator warnock was reelected earlier this week the balance of power right now is 51 democrats -- or 51 votes for the democratic party, that includes two independents, angus king and bernie sanders. that's 51/49. what you're doing today doesn't change that? it's still basically going to be 51/49? >> i know you have to ask that question, jake, but that's kind of a d.c. thing to worry about. what i'm really focused on is just making sure that i'm doing what i think comports with my values and the values of arizonans. so when i come to work each day it will be the same, i'm going to still come to work and hopefully serve on the same committees i've been serving on and continue to work well with my colleagues of both political parties and i'm not really spending much time worrying about what the mechanics look like for washington, d.c. and to be honest, jake, i don't think anyone in arizona is caring about that, either. >> there's going to be a lot of noise about this from the democrats, from progressives,

from the left. you know this, that because of your position working with senator joe manchin of west virginia to push back on some of the efforts, the legislative efforts, and change them and moderate them, you've already been a target of the left and people have been very critical of you. they're going to call you every name in the book after this comes out, they're going to call you a traitor, an inn great. what are you going to say? >> i think i will do what i always do, jake, which is keep doing the work that i know is important for my state. you know, i just -- i'm not worried about folks who may not like this approach. what i am worried about is continuing to do what's right for my state and there are folks who certainly don't like my approach, we hear about it a lot, but the proof is in the pudding, you know, in the last few years in the senate as you and i have just mentioned, i've been honored to lead historic efforts from infrastructure to

gun violence prevention to protecting religious liberty and helping lgbt families feel secure to the chips and science bill, to the work we've done on veterans issues. the list is really long and so i think that the results speak for themselves. it's okay if some people aren't comfortable with that approach. >> senator sinema is up for reelection in 2024, cnn congressional correspondent lauren fox covering the story. the white house is out with a statement saying in their view this does not change democratic majority control. you're speaking to democrats this morning on the hill, do they believe that as well? >> reporter: well, it's really when you look at the makeup of the senate, not going to change the composition of committees and that is really important for a few reasons. this is still going to be a senate because she is still keeping her committee assignments and getting those committee assignments from democrats where democrats are going to have an edge in their committees, that means they're going to be able to issue

subpoenas when they want torques that means they are going to be able to move more quickly to move forward with nominees. that is all practically very important, but this is still a very important symbolic move for sinema, really an official separation from the democratic party that she often has even sparred with some of her colleagues. in the past she has worked with republicans and that is a bipartisan effort that no one in the democratic party ever really held against her, but she has also at times kept her party from doing things that the rest of them really wanted to do, like getting rid of the filibuster. she and manchin very clear time and time again, that was something they weren't willing to do. this announcement doesn't change who she is as a senator, but it really does, you know, just make it the final sever between her and the democratic party. obviously a very important move for her and we should note she is up for reelection. does that have some component and was that part of the motivation here?

i think that that is going to be really the story moving forward. >> certainly those questions already being asked. lauren fox, appreciate it. thank you. senator sinema already out with a video message directly to her constituents this morning. here is what she said to them. >> it's who we are as a people, we don't line up to do what we're told, we do what's right for our state and for our country. i think arizonans across the state are going to say, yeah, that's the kyrsten we elected. that's who we sent to d.c. and she's doing exactly what we asked her to do. >> cnn political commentator van jones, she's clear she thinks this is what arizonaness want, says this is who she's always been not much is going to change. van, is this move, then, a political philosophy if nothing is changing or is this about what happens that 2024 reelection which could be kind of tough? >> yeah, look, i mean, i think that the question is how much of

this is courage, how much of it is cowardice. she's presenting herself as somebody i have these strong convictions and that's why i'm doing this, i'm taking this courageous stand. she is less of an independent, more of an enigma for most people. in the middle of joe biden trying to figure out how she was going to govern she was unlike a bernie sanders or joe manchin, it was just hard to figure out what did she want? what was her points? what was she trying to get? she just sort of was this confounding presence. that's more of an enigma than an independent. is this courage or cowardice, i don't know, but one could argue she is not in a position to win a primary in the democratic party right now. there is not -- if you talk to democrats in her home state they are just outraged and feel betrayed. so this could be an opportunity for her to step out of that primary and to run outside of that system because you have somebody reuben gayego who is breathing down her neck. a 43-year-old latino

progressive, a marine veteran, harvard graduate and he was going to primary her. now she gets to duck out of that. when you look at what's going on, does it affect d.c.? it doesn't affect d.c. that much it's about who do you caucus with, she will caulk with us with democrats and vote with democrats. she's never supported the leadership. two of the three is all the same. what's different is she gets to duck out of a primary challenge. i think that's probably more descriptive of what's going on. >> you talk about her votes there even in her interview with jake she lists off several pieces of legislation, these were all biden administration priorities and some had bipartisan support, infrastructure, the chips act, et cetera, but she was voting along with the president's agenda, has voted along with democrats on upwards of 90% of judicial appointments, et cetera. i mean, if she's trying to make an argument to independent even perhaps republican voters, does she have an argument to win them over that's substantive?

and then i wonder what effect that might have on the race here. if you have a democrat, independent and republican, how does that vote split up in 2024 in arizona? >> i mean, that's -- it's really -- she's correct, she says it's not about d.c. it's about arizona. it is about arizona but it's about the politics on the ground in arizona where she's been censured by her own party for not being willing to stand up against the filibuster on behalf of voting rights. she's somebody in hot water in her own party and she's got a serious challenger in reuben. that is a big part of what's going on here. we do have independents that caucus with democrats, that's not a problem, you have angus king, you have bernie sanders. so that's not at problem. but the challenge has always been with her it's not her independence, it's not her bipartisanship, it's just her way of negotiating and dealing, she just won't tell you what she wants, she just tells you what she doesn't want and that made it very, very difficult in the past two years with the biden administration to know how to handle it. you know manchin wants coal, you

know bernie wants taxing the rich. what does kirsten want? it's hard to know. >> do you think there will be any more clarity with this move? she doesn't say specifically in this interview here is all the reasons i'm leaving, here are all the things i don't agree with in the democratic party, it's more about you can't put me in a box, which a lot of americans can relate to, but without those specifics what changes? >> not that much. and i do think to give her some credit, when she says as she did i don't feel comfortable in these boxes, i don't feel comfortable in being drug to the extremes, i don't feel comfortable that i have to check every single box on the list or i'm in the doghouse, i don't like that. she's speaking for a lot of americans who feel that way in both parties. so she's resonant on that broad theme, it's just when you peel it back it's very, very difficult to understand what that actually is going to add up

to practically beyond getting her out of a primary she's probably going to lose. >> just like voters you may not be in a box, legislators have to make decision toss vote yay or nay on pieces of legislation, i suppose that will be the proof in the pudding going forward. van jones, thanks so much as always. all of you at home can hear more of the interview with senator sinema today on the lead with jake tapper. there's other news this morning, economic news. key inflation metrics show producer prices eased in november, will consumers see some relief and how does it fit into the boarder trend of where prices are going? >> christine romans is here with her magic ball which is going to tell us what all of this means. in all seriousness, what does this number tell us about where things at at to jim's point? >> it's a little hotter than what economists expected. after all the fed medicine they thought this number would come down a little bit more.

this is producer price inflation, fppi, 7.4% year over year, month over month it grew 0.3%. when you dig into the core rates, that was a little hotter than expected. let's look at the trend, jim is so right to mention the trend is what's important. one piece of data in a trend -- i like the looks of that chart the way it has peaked there, you see producer prices coming down from the worst, but it's just not coming down as fast as many economists had been hoping. so this is one of those, yes, but pieces of economic news. yes, it's cooling but not cooling as much as economists had hoped here and that's why you have the futures market stock index futures, the stock market will open in about 26, 27 minutes, futures are down, they're down a little bit here because this is telling them the fed is still going to have to keep going, raising interest rates. the fed still doesn't have complete control over the inflation story, you guys. >> christine, is there typically -- first of all, when i look at that graph it looks

pretty smartly down, but i wonder is there typically a lag in terms of when the fed acts, raises costs for things, costs for borrowing and how that is reflected in most producer and consumer prices? >> there's different measurements but generally six months. so if you think that we started raising interest rates -- the fed started raising interest rates back in march, some economists thought you would start to be seeing more of that medicine starting to work to cool down the temperature of the patient to use kind of a tortured metaphor, but that's what we're talking about here. you're trying to get this inflation under control. it is peaking. i, too, like the looks of that chart, but, you know, the brainiacs who look at this and wonder what the fed are going to do next say the fed has to keep raises interest rates, probably 50 basis points next week when they meet but may have to keep interest rates higher for longer than we originally thought to get this under control and higher interest rates mean higher borrowing costs for

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securing her release by turning over convicted russian arms dealer viktor bout. russell flores is in san antonio where griner landed just a few hours ago. so back on u.s. soil, not back home yet, rosa. what's next here? >> reporter: you know, we don't know an exact play by play of what's going to happen next, what her schedule is like today, but what we do know from u.s. officials is that she will be taken to a medical facility where she will get a medical evaluation. now, we do know more about this process, erica, because trevor reed just went through this and his family of course has talked to cnn. trevor reed, in fact, he landed at this airfield in san antonio and according to his family the department of defense, the military, has one of the best programs for reintegration here in san antonio and what that means is it's a program that helps individuals who have been part of an isolated event, in

this case being detained in a foreign prison, to reintegrate into society. the family of trevor reed, their advice for brittney griner and her family, is for brittney griner to actually take advantage of this program to be reintegrated into society and into normal life after that experience over ten months of being detained in a foreign prison, but how did we get here? let me give you a quick timeline. brittney griner was detained on february 17th in russia on drug charges. in may was when the united states announced that she was wrongfully detained. then in june secret talks began between the u.s. and russia and from our -- what our understanding is is that this was a two for one swap that included paul whelan at that point in time. by october the russians began to signal that this was not going to include paul whelan and that it was a one for one swap that would only include brittney griner and only brittney griner.

now, in recent days now we know that the u.s. and russia actually came to the agreement and president biden signed off on this swap and, erica, now we know of course that brittney griner -- this was successful and that brittney griner arrived here in texas. she's a texan. she arrived in her lone star state and we -- from what we know from u.s. officials right now she is most likely in that medical evaluation. >> listen, these penal colonies, they are frightful places, they are designed to be and i can only imagine the treatment necessary when you come out of one. thank you so much. joining us to speak about this exchange is jonathan franks, spokesman for the bring our families home, part of the team that helped free trevor reed from russia earlier this year. good to have you on this morning. >> good morning, jim. thanks for having me. >> given your involvement in a prior exchange with russia, prisoner exchange, at perhaps the worst time in decades in terms of broader relations

between the u.s. and russia, tell us how difficult this is and what is involved in making an exchange like this happen. >> well, the exchange is difficult in its own right. the negotiation i've always said it serves like a used car negotiation with people involved. you know, the actual execution is, you know, a very tightly choreographed endeavor and, you know, this time if i may i would just like to say i'm extremely frustrated with the gentleman named marshall billingsley who inexplicably and irresponsibly tweeted this out wednesday night while it was going on and while american personnel were still conducting it and thereby endangering the personnel and brittney griner and what, for some ideological view on viktor b bout. >> there has been a lot of push back as you know and a lot of questions to jim's point about how this went down, how the decisions were made. we have heard from officials,

from several officials across the administration that the voice was brittney griner or no one. the whelan examly are understandably disappointed but they agree absolutely with that decision that someone should come home instead of no one. so in terms of that, a little bit more so jim's point, give us a sense just how difficult is this? as i look at this as an outsider who is following this, russia held all the cards here. >> correct. they were -- they definitely walked into the negotiation with leverage, which is the whole point of kidnapping the americans in the first place. so, you know, there's always a movable target when negotiating with these regimes, but russia seems to be even more into chaos than the others. so, you know, i think it's without question that biden made the right decision in making it one for one. the voice is one or zero, you make the choice for one, period. again, i would just ask people to think a little bit, you know,

these people that are pushing back on it, what if it was your loved one, i don't think you would be pushing back. >> okay. let's look at the exchanges, if we can, to get an indication as to what it may take to get paul whelan home. for trevor reed the exchange was konstantin yaroshenko, he was convicted and sentenced to 20 years in prison for cocaine trafficking, griner exchange for viktor bout, mer chant of death, picked up for 7 grams of cannibis oil and he supplied guns for decades. if you look at paul whelan do you have any sense of what category of person or exchange that russia will be looking for here? >> not really in the sense that they could be looking for spy f symmetry. the united states continues to have custody of high profile russians important to the kremlin for a number of reasons.

i'm really hopeful that they can redouble efforts, go back to the negotiation table and the second russian who was originally supposed to be in this deal can be traded for paul. >> jonathan, give us a sense what is happening with brittney griner in these moments. now that she's back on u.s. soil, she's being reacclimated a i lot of questions for her about russia, what are your concerns for her after ten months in russian custody? >> so just as a general proposition and again i don't know whether this is true of her or not but generally when these folks come about, they have been in an environment where they have no free will and are not allowed to make a single choice, they're told when to eat, sleep, go to the bathroom. they get off the airplane and have completely free will. one of the things about the army's program post isolation support activity in san antonio is it is the best program in the world for giving people rehabilitation from this particular set of problems and, you know, even sometimes when these folks come back it's hard to sleep on a bed again because

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today a federal judge will consider whether to hold former president trump and his post-presidency office in contempt for failing to comply with the subpoena ordering that they turn over all classified documents in the former president's possession. >> recently a team composed -- compiled by trump found more classified documents at a trump storage facility in florida. sources say the justice department is demand that go trump's legal team designate a custodian of records to attest that all classified documents -- that trump has returned all classified documents to the government torques attest to it. sara murray has details for us. this contempt charge is notable, right, but it seems like the

trump team nervous about this to some degree because they sent their own team out to make sure they don't have any more. >> i think you can see how contentious it is behind the scenes. one of the trump team's concerns they know the justice department has saying we still think you have documents with these classified markings that you have not been compliant with the subpoena. they do not want another situation where there is a search warrant, where the fbi is showing up and searching trump properties, that's why they hired their own team and have told the justice department we searched these four properties, we found two documents with markings, we've handed them over. the justice department is saying this is not good enough. we need you to designate a custodian of records, you need that person to sign a statement saying that we have handed over everything in our property with these classified markings. the trump team has been resistant to do that in part because they can anyone they designate is immediately going to be in legal jeopardy and won't be able to find a person who can state, yeah, we know exactly what's been happening

with these records since donald trump left the white house, how they've been managed, how they've been stored. >> if you attest we've given everything back and then you find more, is that a crime? >> then you have a problem. you have a problem on your hands. we saw this with christina bob earlier. she had signed an attestation saying they did a diligent search to the best of her knowledge everything had been handed over and a lot of other documents with classified markings were found. the trump team took a lesson away from that and are trying to minimize the legal jeopardy and don't see how designating someone will help them. >> sara murray, thanks so much. joining us now for more, excuse me, former assistant u.s. attorney for the soern direct of new york elie honig. good to see you this morning. as we look at this how do you see the judge ruling here and what could be the potential penalties? >> so the justice department in order to make a move like this to ask for contempt this shows me that the justice department is completely lost trust and

lost patience frankly with donald trump's team. now, doj will have to convince a judge that donald trump's team has neglected this subpoena, has defied this subpoena. what they will have to show is that there was some intentionality, some knowledge by donald trump's team that they knew they weren't happened handing over all the documents, they were intentionally withholding some documents. if they can make that showing then the judge has the power to say, okay, i hold donald trump's legal team in contempt and the penalties are primarily going to be financial, but as sara laid out, doj has had it and they are looking for some sort of accountability and some sort of answers on this subpoena. >> so for folks at home who might have trouble keeping track of all the various different investigations, sometimes multiple investigations on the same topic here, if he and his team are held in contempt for this, that does not impact the ongoing investigation by the doj for potential criminal charges for having the classified documents in the first place. >> right. it's separate. so it's sort of tangentially

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>> so legally, no, as you said, erica, prosecutors are free to investigate without a referral. they have been investigating without a referral, however, the evidence itself is crucial here. we know that doj has been asking the committee to share its evidence for many months now and the committee has not done that. the committee has sort of slowly dolled it out bit by bit and mirror rick garland last week said we don't have the evidence, we want it and need it for our investigation. whether the committee makes a referral or not that's politically significant, that's a strong statement, but what's really going to matter here is the substance of it. the evidence and how the committee backs up its referrals and if it's compelling then, yes, prosecutors absolutely can rely on that evidence. >> elie honig, good to see you, my friend. thank you. now to one of my favorite topics, space. the first leg of nasa's moon mission artemis i's orion's cap actual is set for flash doun

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the heat shield, the parachutes do you see the possibility of moving up that timeline? >> i wish so, but this was actually a budget decision made eight years ago to use the avionics in artemis i and take them out and put them in artemis ii and they have to go through reconfiguration and recertifying and that takes time. now, we're going to try to speed that up so that it's in earlier 2024, maybe a year and a half, a year and three quarters instead of two years. >> gotcha. >> but it will be four astronauts, they will go around the moon, check out all the life support systems and then a year later we go into lunar circular elliptical orbit, we rendezvous with the spacex lander, two of the four will then descend to the lunar surface, that will be the first woman and the next

man. >> understood. i understand the aspiration and the ambition here and i myself as a consumer of space news am fascinated by it but there has been criticism of the cost of this program. a single launch of this rocket system costs $4.1 billion, eight times greater than what the agency estimated in 2013. does the program, does what we learn, justify that cost? >> well, does exploration justify the cost? for example, the james webb space telescope, it was well over cost and way behind time, and look what it has now unlocked, the secrets of the universe, and over 20 years we're going to learn who we are, where we are, where we came from. same with human exploration. we're going back to the moon,

not just to go to the moon, we're going to learn, to live, to work, to invent, to create in order to send humans on out into the cosmos, the next destination being mars. that cost $4 billion will come down over time because that's development cost in there. as you increase the flights over time, that per-unit cost will come down. >> i suppose the question is not, then, whether any program is worthwhile, but whether there are better alternatives, less costly alternatives, given the advances in the cost of private programs like spacex. >> well, you could say that robotically, for example, we are on mars with a rover, we've even got a helicopter on mars, but there's something different about artificial intelligence and the human mind, it's called discretion. the last human on the moon,

senator jack smith, was a geologist and he looked at those rocks and he knew which rocks he wanted to pick up. that's hard to do with artificial intelligence. >> yeah. so you have a lot of tests, as you mentioned, coming in with the re-entry, including the heat shield which you talk ex extensively about. do you have any concerns? >> i really don't. of course, space is hard, spaceflight is risky. there were two things that had to happen, the rocket had to be good and the heat shield has to be good and so the next major test we still have to do and that will come sunday morning. >> you mentioned just here and you've mentioned many times before that getting back to the moon is really a stepping stone to go to mars for the first

time. when and do you think nasa beats a private company, such as, well, elon musk has talked a lot about putting a person on the moon? >> well, we are going to mars -- >> to mars i should say. >> -- to be able to explore. this is not just a mars fly-by with humans. but it's hard. it's going to take months. we go to the moon in days, go to mars and keep a human alive for that long and probably have to stay on the surface at least a year until the planets realign to get back. so it's going to be a new test of technology and perseverance. >> yeah. >> and nasa is uniquely suited to do that. >> all you have to do is watch the film "the martian" to know some of the challenges that go into this. >> by the way, i love that film and technologies in that film are suggesting what we have to

do. we need to go to mars faster than we can now in order to shorten that trip. >> well, whenever you have an empty seat on one of these trips to the moon or mars, i'm always willing so that this is not the closest i get to space right here, right now. bill nelson, thanks for joining us. >> thanks, jim. i love the movie, too, i also love, my friend, that you never miss an opportunity to remind bill nelson and anyone else who is listening that you are ready and i'm excited for when they finally put you in that seat. >> you have to keep selling and i know it's a long shot, but i will keep trying. >> hey, listen, if you don't raise your hand it ain't going to happen. >> he is' smiling. >> he is filing. i like your fancy backdrop. mauna loa eruption continuing to creep toward one of the big island's main roads. look at these pictures. we are live in hawaii next where self-proclaimed lava junkies are doing everything they can to get the very best shot.

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hawaii officials say lava spewing from the largest active voik has stalled. it is no longer a threat to the main highway on hawaii's big island. >> now the only thing advancing and overflowing are the number of people trying to get a closer look at those lava flows. be careful how close you get. david culver joins us now live from right where it is all happening. tell us what you're seeing there. >> reporter: hey, there, jim and erica. not much right now. a little bit of glow popping up over my shoulder at times. that is because of the weather

that we've been seeing as of late here. but this is still erupting. it is still unpredict sable and drawing a lot of attention. very much a tourist trap. some people not satisfied with their view and they are taking chances to get a better one. seemingly photogenic from other angle. there is a striking beauty to ma mauna loa. this particular kind of thrill seeker. >> a lava junky. the kind of term out here we call ourselves lava junky. it is our -- it is what gives our excitement and our adrenalin for the day. >> reporter: this lava junky has captured fiery waves in kilauea eruption. and then going to the source. the expert lava junkies. usgs scientists in corrective greer and bringing samples here.

the university of hawaii is helping run the rapid response lap for the mauna loa eruption. we got a rare look inside. these samples collected since the lava started spewing. >> it was thrown up in the air and landed and was -- they scooped it up while it was still molten and quenched it and if you look at it, you'll see it is very, very bubbly, soft and you could break it in your hands. >> reporter: researchers here quickly turning out data to help the usgs chart where the pllava flow might be heading. and that is crucial in all of this. as that at one point it was heading toward the main highway that connects east and west of the big iesland. but since it is still erupting, it is very unpredictable and it could go any other direction. and it is worth noting, this the

last fishu still spewing laugh as of a few days ago. it is still coming out. and to give you an idea, it filled the flat saddle area behind me about a mile wide, 40 feet high. that is how much lava just in that one flow has come out already. jim and erica. >> that is incredible. a mile wide, 40 feet. also incredible, well done on this assignment, my friend. well done. >> reporter: thanks, guys. >> david culver, great to see you, thank you. >> maybe they'll make another hawaiian island for us. still ahead, wnba star brittney griner finally home in texas after ten long months in russian detection. we speck with the president of her team and the state department spokesperson ned price. that is coming up. and, no matter how much i paid, it followed me e everywhere. between the high interest, the fees... i felt trapped. debt, debt, debt. so i broroke up with my credit card debt and consolidated it

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