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cup tonight is truly stunning. u.s. soccer says journalist grant wahl has died at the age of 48 while covering the world cup in doha. grant's wife posted the u.s. soccer statement on twitter and wrote she is so thankful for the friends who have reached out tonight. i'm in complete shock. cnn joins us on the phone from doha. christine brennan is here with us. we're reporting from all angles to try to figure out what could have gone so wrong in this loss, this tremendous life done. what are you learning right now in doha about the death of journalist grant wahl? >> i mean we're still just trying to, i think accept honestly this is the news that's happened.
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i didn't see him, but we both covered this most extraordinary soccer match between argentina and the netherllands, which went to extra time in penalties. i was unable to sleep because of the drama of the game we've witnessed. i just kind of checked my whatsapp and saw this news. we're literally just finding out about it. we've just managed to confirm the news that he has died. i mean i can't overemphasize the state of shock so many of his peers and colleagues will be at and the fans also. grant has been the foremost u.s. soccer writer in the country for the last 20 plus years. i think when you hear these
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things, you hear, for example, the commissioner of major league soccer just tweeted for his passion for soccer and his dedication for journalism was unmeasurable. people are describing him as so kind and so generous. and those are sentiments i would elise labott key, having met him numerous times over the years. i saw him on our set at doha just the start of the tournament a couple of weeks ago. to now be coming on here in a breaking news segment to talk about the fact he's not with us anymore is just really difficult to find the words quite honestly. >> don, it's unbelievable. just five hours ago one of his last tweets talking about that incredible match with the netherlands. you know, this is somebody who leaves behind a wife that is well known for the work she has done as well in terms of infectious disease over the course of the pandemic. he grew up in kansas. he was a man who went to princeton university, my own alma mater. the idea of his loss is so
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significant. he was actually a part of our program back on november 21. he was speaking with my colleague alisyn camerota and the energy and enthusiasm for the game he brought while watch for yourself, everyone. >> yeah, i arrived at the stadium. i was checking in through security, but security didn't let me through. they said that i had to take off my shirt. i told them i wouldn't. they detained me for about 30 minutes. they forcibly took my phone. would not give it back, really angrily tried to get me to take my shirt off and wouldn't. so finally eventually a commander of security came down after about 30 minutes and they let me through wearing my shirt, and they apologized. fifa apologized. fifa has made it clear there should be no problem with anyone wearing rainbow gear of any kind at this world cup, but it's
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clear the qatari regime has other ideas. >> that was on november 21. john burman, i want to bring you back. it took on extra significance. the moments of many players who wanted to have as part of their other uniform or display of a rainbow flag within the different housing and the places they were staying and were comingling. the significance of this and the symbolism of it, just hearing this. this was as recently as really a few days ago before thanksgiving, november 21. john, you spoke about this very interview that night you were on air. when you're hearing about the death of journalist grant wall covering the world cup in qatar. tell me what you're feeling now. >> i'm simply devastated. not only because grant was a preemptive soccer journalist on
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the planet, but he was also just a wonderful guy who was sweet and he was generous to everybody around him. just an impeccable reputation in journalism, but also everyone who came near him adored him. i'm just going through some whatsapp messages. the last exchange with him because on his podcast and on his newsletter, he had been talking about how he had a bad cold. got a record, eight hours sleep last night he said. so he wrote about it. he talked about it on his podcast and newsletter. he ended up going to the medical center in doha, you know, at the media center and got himself checked out. he seemed to be on the better end of it now. and then i was reading again, he
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was filing today. he filed a whole dispatch today in between the two games. the last thing he wrote about was croatia. he said i thought croatia was too old to be heading into this tournament, but i was wrong. he had the energy to go all the way in these games and the fight these croatians show is legendary. i can't tell you how much i admire him, those last words. i can't tell you how much i admire him. i think everyone, you know, in journalism, everyone who is a soccer fan believes that about grant. i can't tell you how much i admired him. it's such a huge loss for the industry, but just also it's a personal loss for anyone who came anywhere near him. >> john, thank you for sharing that. i want to read for everyone right now the full statement the u.s. soccer has put out. here is the statement. the entire u.s. soccer family is
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heartbroken to learn we have lost grant wahl. fans of soccer and journalism of the highest quality knew we could always count on grant to deliver insightful and entertaining stories about our game and its major protagonists. teams, players, coaches, and the many personalities that make soccer unlike any sport. here in the united states, grant's passion for soccer and commitment to elevating its profile across our sporting landscape played a major role in helping to drive interest in and respect for our beautiful game. as important, grant's belief in the power of the game to advance human rights was and will remain an inspiration to all. grant made soccer his life's work. we are devastated he and his brilliant writing will no longer be with us. u.s. soccer sends its sincerist condolences to grant's wife, and all of his family members,
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friends, colleagues in the media. and we thank grant for his tremendous impact on the game in the united states. his writing, the stories he told will live on. christine brennan, i want to bring you in on this and this is truly stunning. as many might be reintroduced again and about his journalistic integrity. the question is what happened? we're still trying to understand what took place, how he's passed. we are looking to confirm the details and to understand why this person has lost his life while covering the world cup in qatar. so please stick with us as we try to find the information and uncover the details. christine, what is your reaction? >> again, as john has said beautifully and as don has said as well, you know, this is
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heartbreaking news. it is extraordinary. it is awful news. and i knew grant. i covered world cups with him. there is no more lovely, kind, friendly, that big smile that people are seeing in some of these pictures. that's grant. a big tall guy. welcoming journalist to soccer. i would be one of those people that would need to be welcomed because i covered a lot of women soccer. but not as many men's soccer matches. and you could go to grant and ask any question and i've got to say, laura, you know, in a competitive world as journalists are as we compete against one another. the notion that you could duoto someone like grant and ask a question or double check something was lovely. that's exactly the kind of person he was. often when you're competing, you may not always be the most
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helpful person. well grant was. i keep wanting to say is. it's just surreal and awful news. terrible news that he has gone. again, i think it's so important to mention that he wore that rainbow t-shirt specifically to cover one of those early games at the world cup in solidarity for the lgbtq community. that was grant wahl and he wouldn't take that off. so like you, i think we are all mystified, trying to figure out what happened. i'm sure over the next few hours we'll hear more. but my heart goes out to his family, his friends, and how honored i am to have been one of those friends and colleagues. i think of the soccer community tonight. so many of them over there, what they must feel and all of us here back in the states who knew
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we're back with new developments tonight. a federal judge declining the doj's request to hold former president trump in contempt for failing to turn over classified documents. the judge told prosecutors and the trump team to work together. that comes at the end of a pretty tough week for the former president. after a jury found the trump organization guilty of multiple counts of tax fraud. the january 6 committee could soon issue now a criminal referral. all of this as president joe biden is looking back on a week of reasons to celebrate for bringing brittney griner home, the passage of the historic marriage act. former obama white house director, and former republican congressman joe walsh. i'm glad to have all of you
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here. it's kind of the idea of yin and yang, the good and the bad. trying to get a lot of things accomplished and things to be celebrated. for president trump, not so much. it seems to be a continuous list. i want to ask how do you balance what this means? >> it does continue that sense of grievance that trump is always under attack, so there is a segment of his base or the republican party that is just looking for another reason to keep the story alive. despite the fact that in this case if i had taken secure documents with my clearance, it would have been criminal. i would have been called a terrorist on top of that. this is not a fair and equal treatment before the eyes of the
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law considering a former commander in chief who already has a track record of revealing intelligent secrets to the russian ambassador in the oval office one time. talked about nuclear submarine locations another time. he has had intelligence officers and military officers scrambling to redo all of their work because why? he wants to show off he has interesting information with paper trophies? at what point are we going to say it's not only criminal, but should disqualify them from getting that job again. >> and a former chief after you contain they are no longer in the white house. your point is very well taken. elliott, i'm going to ask you though. why do you think they won't hold him in contempt for this? [ laughter ] >> look, there's all kinds of legal questions as to why. number one who do you hold in contempt, right? >> you mean the lawyers verses
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him? i don't know if you have heard the term custodian of records the trump organization, one doesn't exist. it's usually the person you would hold accountable for it. so there is that question there. number two, this idea of carelessness on the part of the president is working to his benefit. they found two more documents in a storage locker this week. >> you mean his lawyers? >> but the argument there is well, he just didn't know he was taking these documents. he has a pattern of losing documents. ladies and gentlemen of the jury, my client just doesn't have the common sense to have actually broken the law here. so maybe that's playing into the contempt argument too. i don't know. but look, we haven't seen the end of this. whether it's more documents being found and criminal charges coming down the road. it's not over. >> to that point politically, we have not seen the end of this. if you're a american of the electric or a republican voter
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or a democratic voter or an independent voter. you're looking and you're watching all of this play out. you're saying man, i'm tired already. i'm thinking about the weight and the baggage and what this means. this is significant baggage for somebody who is wanting to be maybe re-elected. >> and laura, this is just the beginning. trump is going to be indicted next year. he deserves to be indicted. >> you really think so? >> yes. >> but this is just the beginning of two years of a trump storm. he's had a horrible month and a half. with all of that going on, all i've heard from republican voters in the last few days is the following. twitter did rig the 2020 election. trump is going to use that. that's a huge issue. if and when he is indicted, the deep state is coming after me. i think it weakens him among the electorates. i think it strengthens him among the base. >> i'm sorry, how about weakening -- i want to go back
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to you, elliott. how about the idea of what has been the blow to the trump organization? obviously he was not individually named and the name trump is on the building, right? it's one of the named individuals and he pleaded guilty. but they found him guilty on all counts of the organization. the fact that it was the organization as opposed to the individual. will people be able to understand the nuance and appreciation or do they think about these things as one of the same politically? >> no because in everybody's mind, it's the same. i think the general electorate rightly believes he's a criminal. and his base won't make that distinction. they'll believe everybody is after him. >> but to your point, this is a talking point for at least four to five years. millions of people voted for him and believe even separating the idea of election denialism, they believed that much of his points, they're coming after you through me, and i am the
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protection here. do you think it impacts it? >> he is the stand in for everybody who feels they should have, could have, would have been this great billionaire if it had not been for the government. >> or these darn kids. >> these other people. so he knows how to play to that. it is a part of i guess his charm for this base. it has nothing to do with the facts. so he could be indicted, he could be held in contempt. everything could come out in public. but it's the feelings that will always trump the facts. >> we'll come back as we have more to talk about. don't you worry. the question, of course, why is the whole class of citizens in new york banned from serving on a jury? speaking of justice and who is above the law or interacting with it. does the ban undermine democracy. i'll talk to the man who is suing to end it next in just a few moments. d its customizable scans with social sentiment
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so the law in new york state bans convicted felons from serving on state juries. my next guest is suing to change all that along with the new york civil liberty union. douty justin works for harlem and he says the law discriminates particularly against black men in manhattan. and he, himself, is prohibited from serving on a jury in the state of new york under the law. thank you for joining us today, helping to bring light to this. i think it might surprise people this is actually the outcome you would be eligible to serve on the new york county jury if not for the 2009 felony conviction.
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i wonder if you can explain the situation, and why you're taking action here? >> thank you for having me. i appreciate that. i got involved with this issue when i was a student at columbia, university in my undergraduate where i received a jury summons from the state requesting i participate in the jury service. i was excited to go through that process and to be called serving on a jury. however, i was surprised when i read the jury and summons itself and felt i was disqualified because of that felony conviction. that frustrated me and shocked me. when i thought about the broader level of this that it wasn't just me, but that there were lots of other men, excuse me, individuals with felony convictions, specifically african american men in the city who are unable to serve on the jury just shocked me. >> i mean -- >> i'm sorry. >> i'm cutting you off.
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i want to hear your story. go ahead, finish. >> that just made me want to get involved with the issue. i wrote about it when i was at columbia at one of the publications. it is really surprising that individuals, especially black men, more specifically in manhattan are unable to serve on a jury. >> that last part is so important. the idea of the disqualification and in a criminal proceduring by a jury of one's peers could include a possible aspect of one's own personal life experience. now to that point about the law discriminating against black residents. you say specifically black men in manhattan. i want to show people what we're talking about. the figures here, daudi. so you talk about 25% of black residents in manhattan could be disqualified. that's 40% of black men. frankly it doesn't take a mathematician to know there is a
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desperate disproportionate impact in the criminal system and what it might entail. for many looking at what disqualifies one from engaging in civil duties and activity, voting can be one of them as well. it does not always feel coincidental to those who are exploring where things are. what do you make of this obvious desperate impact? >> i think it's just one more, one of the numerous other laws that have been used that have been systemically used to keep african americans and minorities out of the vote of the electoral democratic process. i think that's one of the reasons why we're challenging this because it's been systematically because of the racialized policing in the city. this law has been systematically used to discriminate and to keep african americans from the participation of the democratic process. i think that's what the issue is. >> it is well thought out in the lawsuit. i want to say a spokesperson for the state court system told this
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to cnn, the letter and lawsuit is taking issue with the statute passed by the new york state legislature that lays out the qualifications of jurors. until such time as the legislature changes the law or a court of competent jurisdiction declares it invalid, commissioners of jurors are sworn to dismiss these qualifications. so i ask you, should lawmakers make these changes? is that the more prudent course to get the buy in and change legislatively? >> i think there's two issues here that points out. first, yes, the legislators should take action. in fact legislators, the state legislators in different states have already addressed the issue. but ours have still not acted yet. it will be great if we could add a solution to this problem. however, the other issue the legislature has not taken the action right now. so the letter from the court mentions, it's up to the court of competent jurisdiction to
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make this decision. that's why we started a lawsuit to get the jurisdiction to make the decision that this law is unconstitutional. >> daudi, thank you so much for joining us today. it's important to hear your perspective and also to hear about the reasons why. we'll follow this story and see what happens next. thank you so much. >> thank you for having me. well up next, a texas couple battling for justice for their 22-year-old son who was brutally killed while on vacation in greece more than five years ago. we're going to hear their painful story and why they have refused to give up the fight. designed to help you keep more of what you earn. this is the planning effect. my dad was a hard worker. he used to do side jobs installing windows, charging something like a hundred bucks a window when other guys were charging four
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with another country's system. some families struggle for years when they find themselves at the mercy of the court and the law of other lands. that's the case for my next guests who lost their son five years ago and are still fighting for justice. 22-year-old bakari henderson went on vacation with friends in greece in 2017. after taking a photo with a woman at a bar, henderson was chased, punched, and kicked by a group of men. the attack was caught on video. i must warn you, it is hard to watch. bakari henderson died from his injuries. nine men, the majority of them, serbian nationals, were arrested. a greek court convicted six of deadly assault and gave them nominal sentences. three were convicted of simple assault and released. according to greek media, no one was convicted of murder.
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the prosecutors appealed, but in a retrial, a greek court rejected a tougher punishment. the only recourse now, a push to get the case in front of the country's supreme court. joining me now are bakari's parents phil and jill henderson. thank you both for joining me. just looking at the photos of your beloved son, it is heartbreaking to think of how he was treated, what led to the end of his life, and what you have been grappling with for years now trying to secure justice. i should mention for a lot of people thinking about it, well why would there be the appeal from prosecutors not similar to what we have here in terms of double jeopardy. but it's different where they are. i wonder if you can tell me, jill, a little bit about what this process has been like and where things are right now in trying to get justice for your son. >> so the process has been very
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challenging for us, very traumatizing for us financially, mentally, spiritually. it's been a tough road. where we are now is we are basically as you said, we had two trials, both of them ended with no murder charges being -- anyone charged with murder. so now we are waiting for the court of appeals to go ahead and submit their position, so that we can then try to appeal to the supreme court. we're in waiting mode now, and hopefully they will appeal to the supreme court. >> i first learned of you both and your son, your niece actually works with cnn and alerted us to this case. it's been so foundly impactful for us to learn more about what happened. phil, i wonder if you can speak to what this has been like trying to navigate the legal
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system abroad, but also have you had any help from members of congress? from the president? from anyone who is able to diplomatically help as well? >> no, we really haven't had any support we felt we should have. we've talked to different congressmen. we have talked to our congressman as well and other representatives. and what we get from them is they're going to monitor the case. they feel as if there is not much they can do right now. but you know, we have spoken to them. >> and i see you wearing a design. he was a designer in part, right? you're wearing a shirt he had designed as well and a part of what he hoped to do career wise and follow a dream and it's beautifully designed. i wonder in terms of this when we hear and are learning more about what happened to bakari, do you think race played a part
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in why your son was attacked? >> yes, we do. because the whole thing started because a serbian woman took a photo or a selfie with bakari. >> just over a selfie? >> yes. >> and the men who were in the bar took offense to the fact she wanted a selfie with your son? >> right. so from what we're told one of the serbian men said why are you taking a selfie with a black man when there are all these serbians in the bar. and then he proceeded to slap bakari and that is where everything started. >> as a mother, and i think about what you would want your son to do if they felt in danger, domestically, let alone abroad. and i understand bakari likely did what we would have told our children to do. get out of there, right? get out of there. obviously you're in some sort of trouble. get out of there and he tried to run. >> right. >> when you see that and you think about that, what is your
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reaction? >> it hurts, it hurts to even think about it. it's not a day goes by i don't think about it. so it hurts. recently graduated from the university of arizona with his finance degree. he wanted to pursue the fashion industry, he didn't want to go work on wall street right away. and we supported him. he had been to greece before. >> he had? >> yes. >> so we really weren't worried or concerned. >> it's unbelievable to think about where things are. i know you're still fighting all these years later, and there has been attention, never enough on what has happened. it's why it's so important to get people to know what happened especially in light of the news we keep hearing about what it's like for people in a various and sometimes very different context obviously. but to navigate these systems. the fact the prosecutors are pushing for a tougher sentence. the fact the prosecutors are saying they deserve to hire one and there is the availability for that supreme court to review.
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have you gotten any indication of whether there is hope the supreme court there will look at it without the leaning by our politicians here? >> i think the politicians definitely have to play a significant role in order for it to move forward because otherwise, i mean, it's just another black man that has been murdered. i mean the fact of the matter is if we don't get more support from the u.s. and from our legislators, i would say it's a grimmer outlook. >> you need to have their support. >> definitely. >> i don't want to leave here without his parents telling me something that you want them to know and everyone to know about your son. because i hate the fact his memory or his name is in connection with the tragedy as opposed to what i'm sure you know of bakari. leave us with something that you think of that makes you smile about your son. >> to me his smile, his smile.
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he loved sports. he loved all different types of activities. this time of the year football season is going on and basketball. this is one of those time of the year where we would be having a good time. >> and the world cup. >> yes, he loved soccer. >> he actually traveled over to europe with some friends. bakari was an entrepreneur at heart. he went to europe about 13 times. he paid his own way. so he was always an entrepreneur at heart. but he actually went to one of the final games before the world cup in europe. and they just got him by luck. so i mean he loved chess, he loved people, he loved different cultures. never met a stranger. so he was just -- >> i bet he loved two more things, his parents as well, and the love you have for him is very evident. thank you so much for sharing a little bit more about your son. i certainly hope that it gets the attention and focus it deserves. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. onds to both of you.
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but don't know what to do next? call invent help today. they can help you get started with your idea. call now 800-710-0020. we have more tonight on the shocking death while covering the world cup in doha. the state department is now in "close communication with grant wahl's family." according to spokesperson ned price. wahl had complained of what he called tightness in his breath, and that he sought help at the world cup medical clinic in an episode of football with grant wahl. published on december 6. now four days before his tragic death. he believed he had bronchitis. he was given cough syrup, ibuprofen, and he felt better shortly afterwards. he said, "this isn't my first rodeo. i've done eight of these on the
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men's side. i've gotten sick at every extent, and just about trying to find a way to get your work done." just a few moments ago, we heard from the parents of bakari henderson who are fighting for the justice of their son more than five years after he was killed while on vacation in greece. let's get more on their legal battle. back again is elliot williams and also dr. ray. a professor of sociology at the university of maryland at college park. i'm so glad you're all here tonight in particular. i mean the heartbreak that the justic here in this country, and its difficulties in being navigated
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think about that abroad as well as the tensions we are seeing, what is your reaction? >> look, the father of two black boys, it just hurts me. what we should be able to see is individuals going abroad to just enjoy the world. that is what he was aiming to do. but instead, what we see, whether it was in greece or the united states we see injustices. and it is important note, his parents said this, we saw the serbians say this black guy. it suggests that race was part of the equation and what happened to him. and we see there is no justice and what is happening there. i think the other thing that is important is there's other things happening in the united states like lieutenant richards the third, and maryland. we see similarities in 2017, with young black men being killed. and it breaks my heart. >> and you have studies overseas, you are a sociologist, a very well- respected one at that. and thinking about the ways you have even tried to navigate and helped to train and educate about issues like implicit and explicit bias, and how it finds
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its way into our justice and legal systems. in terms of the international component of this, there is a feeling of on safety. a feeling of there will not be protection overseas. can you speak to that? >> most definitely. so, i spent a long time, i was speaking at the university of germany, i traveled around europe. and one of the things that we see, whether it is of european context or other parts of the world, that our up eric and american as black people is not the same as our american-ness as white people. people have to ask themselves about this particular story, and without segments like this people would not know about it, and that is important note, so as i traveled abroad, one of the things i really noticed there's something you need to spend your time, and people's marginalization is something that is heightened, whether you are in the united states, in
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greece, or even another country. >> so true. i want to bring in you as well. i want to bring you in as well, one thing we've heard about whether it is the hendersons we are talking about, we need to have the interaction and involvement and invested involvement by politicians to what happened with britney greiner, and conversations around what happened when they had the year, completely, the president of the united states, to even shanquella robinson, was found in mexico after traveling with college friends. the spotlight that is required to be a catalyst, internationally, very, very apparent. >> advocacy works in these situations, but it does tend to be a bias to highlighting particular stories, as if most americans would empathize with a young white woman dying in aruba, as opposed to a young black woman being killed
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somewhere else. it is important to note that americans have a reputation, overseas, when we travel, being very carefree, a little nacve about safety and security another cultures, but part of that is also our foreign policy led by white men. so, groups like diplo, diversify our service military even further. and show that there is more to america than white men. >> elliott, real quick, and the time we have left, the idea that we do live in a glass house, and sometimes our own legal system. >> i think the challenger, my first job with the justice department, the domestic security section, where we dealt with dealing with other countries and their services, we have two big problems real quick. number one, up eric's relationship with the other country in that country's laws. you can just go to another country and try to impose american law in the country. thick about things like speech and other countries that might be held accountable in a way that they wouldn't here.
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it is just really hard and complicated and sometimes you just can't get accountability like he would've united states. >> a true testament, as you indicated, why diplomacy is a perpetual need. thank you so much. and for many, this time of year is frankly about giving back, but cnn heroes and all- star tribute salutes 10 extraordinary people who put others first all year long. perpetually. the star-studded gala errors live, this sunday at 8:00 p.m. eastern, take a look. sunday, it is the time of year to be inspired. and honor some of humanity's best. >> we have found homes for almost 3000 socks. >> our community center used to be the community drug house. >> i want my grandchildren to have it better than what i have
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