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>> reporter: 54% of americans say rising prices caused ha hardships for their household. lindsey is one of them, she's a teacher, her husband a school resource officer. >> i'm living paycheck to paycheck. it's scary. >> how does your holiday budget change? >> how do you create a budget with no extra income. >> she decided to spend no more than $100 for each of her two children. i sense the stress in your voice. >> i don't want to upset my kids, i don't want them to be upset. >> reporter: then parents like karissa, we met her in march when she could barely afford gas with surging fuel prices. >> if we fill our tank we wouldn't have enough for the rest of the week. >> reporter: with gas prices down, she felt more secure, then
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came the news, she's getting laid off from her job. what did do that for your budget? >> what budget? it blew it up. >> she's already purchased a few gifts for 3-year-old layla and said that's the end of her shopping and layla seems fine with that. >> you're still going to have a great christmas. >> at the end of the day as long as she's happy we're happy. we won't have gifts under the tree this year but she will. that's all that matters. >> reporter: gabe cohen, cnn. ♪ having a moment right now. this is pretty special to watch. >> can you even imagine? >> i can't. >> serious. tom brady is 22 years 146 days older than brock purpurdy. we know the accomplishments and he looks like he's been playing
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in the league for 10 years. just so poised. >> did you -- i couldn't stop talking about it. >> you walked in last night to heroes on his phone watching the end of the game. >> it was amazing. >> any parent would cry if their son was performing like that in a game against tom brady. >> it was amazing to watch. he was third string, rookie, what do they call it, mr. like irrelevant, it was amazing to watch. i could not -- >> not irrelevant anymore. >> not irrelevant anymore. >> that was a quarterback brock purdy, that was his dad getting emotional after his son's touchdown pass in his debut against tom brady. you're going to see a lot of that later on. we'll show you the highlights. also have to talk about this, more than 50 million people are under winter weather alerts across 14 states. the storm has doumped 5 feet of snow in northern california and is now headed east.
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what is leading health officials in new york city to urge people to mask up, even if they're vaccinated for covid-19 and the flu. more on the new recommendations ahead. the new special counsel wasting no time with two criminal probes of donald trump. new cnn reporting on just how fast jack smith is moving and what it could mean for the former president. >> first we begin with this. we'll talk about the major storm sweeping across the country, it's cranking up and headed east. it's already left its calling card in california, up to 5 feet of snow in the sierras. this is how ashley sharp, our affiliate in sacramento, reported the story to viewers there. watch this. >> you can see just how much snow has fallen to give you an idea. i'm about 5'7" and this snow is right at about mid calf level on me. we have talked to people out here who said it has caused some issues on the roadways. our go pro captured a mess on
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the roads, snow covered streets impacting the foothills on sunday. >> coming up, be careful it's slippery. >> chain controls active sunday in pollack pines and further down highway 50 and on interstate 82 where snow dumped over the weekend. the foothills not hit as hard but still the first big snow of the season. >> we've seen a lot of that slushy, watery mixture on the roadways which is slippery but seeing this, tightly packed in snow that's closer to ice. you can see how hard this is on the roadway. so, of course, the message is take it very slow especially on the side roads and parking lots to make sure you're not slipping on the roadways. >> more than 50 million people in 14 states are under winter weather alerts this morning. over the next couple of days the system could bring a major snow system from colorado to
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minnesota. and hail and strong winds and possible tornados to parts of the south. people in new york city are being urged to wear masks indoors and outdoors, partly to protect them from covid-19 but officials say it's because of a spike in other seasonal viruses, the flu, rsv that have been filling up hospitals. athena jones joins us now. they're recommendations, not orders from health officials. why are they saying people need to wear a mask again? >> this is what new york city health officials are calling a high spike of these three respiratory illnesses, covid-19, flu and rsv. they're sitting out this morning because this is the holiday season, people getting together with friends, family, the health officials want people to do that as safely as possible. so they're suggesting a number of measures that are going to sound familiar to all of us here. things like limiting attendance at large indoor gatherings
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wearing a mask when gatherings with others. and getting a covid-19 test before gathering with other people and staying at home if you feel unwell. this is important for people who are vulnerable, 65 plus, infants, immunocompromised, people with underlying health conditions. and urging people to use high quality masks. things like kn 95, kn 94 and n 95. they're talking about people in gen general, communities, and schools. urging schools to institute these measures but not mandating anything yet. >> seeing a lot more people wearing masks. i put on a coat for the first time since last winter and in the pocket i still had a mask. right. but i have to ask if there's going to be mandates. we had family come in town this weekend, they're wondering should they wear masks, should they not? is it the possibility of being mandated. >> i asked the spokesperson for
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the mayor about the mandate issue. it's a recommendation. no one wants to go back to the days of terrible covid surges but also people don't want to go back to masking. in new york it's different people were hit hard early on because it was an early epicenter and you saw people masking and you see it now. >> do you mask with the kids now? >> sienna asked me to buy her new masks. at the concerts i went to thursday, they said it would be willing if you'd be willing to mask. so i did. >> it makes sense, these are respiratory illnesses you know masks keeping you from getting them. >> amen. >> thank you very much. appreciate that. the often pretty tight lipped police in moscow, idaho have offered the rarest of warnings. they urged people to travel in groups because the suspected killer of those four college
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students is still on the loose and parents and others are gathering for their winter commencement. camilla miracle is live in moscow with the latest. it's hard to understand how this person could still be out there. >> reporter: yeah, it's really hard to understand, but the same thing. no suspect, no motive, no weapon. in terms of the investigation, there's a lot that police are not saying. the one thing they do say is they're getting a lot of new tips. this is the new white car information, the biggest development in the case that we've gotten in four weeks. the focus is a white hyundai elantra between 2011 and 2013, they believe that car was in this area in the early morning hours of november 13th when these students were killed. and they're getting so many tips that the local police department had to hand it off and it's now the fbi call center handling all of this. and they believe whoever was in this car could have critical information for this case, poppy.
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>> camilla, thank you very much. let's hope so. president biden stressing american support for ukraine as he spoke on a call with president zelenskyy on sunday after the u.s. sent another military aid package to strengthen their air defenses. in a newest episode of david letterman's show, he needs no introduction. he sits down with president zelenskyy in ukraine. the two bunkered down in a subway situation in the capitol city of kyiv, but it wasn't long before they were reminded attacks are still under way. you have to see this. >> yes, i can hear the siren. what should we do? >> nothing. >> what was the siren indicating?
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>> that is a surreal moment there, and one ukrainians live under so often. and ukraine appears to be putting the newly acquired fire power to the test. let's get straight to will r ripley live in kyiv. >> reporter: it is amazing how quickly you can get used to the air-raid sirens as i was going to bed last night i heard the sirens in odesa, if the phone doesn't say incoming missiles coming your way, you put the phone down and try to get sleep, which is in short supply for ukrainians dealing with around
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the clock attacks by the russians. in odesa, that entire region of more than 1.5 million people was essentially plunged into darkness over the weekend because russia fired iranian made drones at the power grid and it caused widespread blackouts. so i started an interview with the ukrainian defense minister talking about just that. >> what's your best strategy to fight against the kamikaze drone attacks from russia? >> every day they trying to target our infrastructure, ruin our energy supply, water supply, heat supply. because they cannot have success against armed divisions of ukraine, they other focussing the civilians and stopping energy to the houses. especially in the winter time. >> have you been given an
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explanation why the patriot system haves not arrived yet? >> it's complicated. today we have more than eight different systems, we have high mars, we have 7200, we have lmu from the france. so i think patriot will also be in our battlefield in the next stage. >> reporter: very interesting that he says he's confident they will have patriot patin the nex stage. they say because the ground is freezing, it's easier to move equipment so they're ready to try to retake territory taken by the russians, poppy. >> what a great interview. thank you for being live in kyiv this morning. the new special counsel in charge of the two criminal probes involving president trump is still moving ahead.
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he's already brought in several people close to trump before a grand jury, he's also issued a flurry of subpoenas. cai caitlyn polantz joins us now. his staff is twice the size of bob mueller's staff. >> reporter: we were trying to get a sense of what the office looks like a few weeks after smith's appointment, has it changed, is it growing? we found smith is stepping in to become a manager of a very, very large team. already 20 prosecutors that had been ramped up and working on the january 6th side of the case. many of the prosecutors on the mar-a-lago case, so those would be a separate team those people are also going to be working under smith. so it's a really big team. one of the things that we found is that there's a financial investigation going on that is
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largely under the radar. it's showed itself a little bit in subpoenas asking about money but there's a financial investigation that's robust right now. and the other thing, kaitlan that was surprising and maybe obvious following this. but we wanted to nail down whether it was happening. there are questions being asked, prosecutors are asking witnesses, what is donald trump's knowledge? was there an exact plan to steal the election and keep him as the president? what was the intent around that? so that focus on trump came out in our reporting. >> what happened on friday with the justice department we know as we reported and talked about, wanted to hold trump or the office of trump in contempt of court when it comes to the documents investigation. but they got push back from the judge inside that krcourtroom. >> reporter: right. this was a proceeding behind closed doors but what we understand from sources is that on friday, this judge in d.c.
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did not hold donald trump in contempt of court for failing to comply with the subpoena. the justice department is clearly unhappy with how things have gone there in the mar-a-lago case but this is just another point in a series of things that have happened in the mar-a-lago investigation, and a sign, kaitlan that this investigation by special counsel jack smith is very, very aggressive. and the justice department is trying to do a lot here. >> it seems like a rare good day for trump's legal team. thank you for that update. i'm sure you guys are tired of hearing me talk about this story. tired of watching me -- >> the 49ers? >> it's an amazing story out of the sports world. if you did not see it, it was fantastic. >> john berman is probably tired of you talking about it, because he loves tom brady. >> he's a patriots guy. >> it was a problem. >> yeah. >> it was a problem. and it was in his hometown, his home team. anyway, someone texted me and
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said, he needs gisele. >> i knew you were going to say that. don't say what you texted us. >> this is about purdy. he was the very last pick in the 2022 nfl draft, getting the nickname mr. irrelevant. but with the starting quarterback out with an injury brock purdy got his first nfl start on sunday, it was extraordinary. he torched the tampa bay buccaneers, running for one touchdown, throwing for two more. spoiling brady's homecoming. he is from the area, requested 100 tickets for his friends and family. you think josh purdy's dad was proud? as kaitlan said anybody's parent would be crying. look at this guy. of course he was. looks like he's wiping away tears getting emotional after his son's first touchdown pass. here's what brock purdy said about that moment. >> the emotions on their face
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and the way they looked down from up on the railing, it means a lot. they believed in me even though i was the last draft pick. they've always been telling me you're good enough we know you can do it. to see them after that performance meant a lot to me so i'm blessed to have them as my family. >> he played well. threw a lot of good jballs. hung in through the blitz. >> kudos and a hand shake from the g.o.a.t. there. i don't think anybody can call brock purdy irrelevant anymore. no more. >> they just -- if you're watching this and you're not someone who watches football closely it's absurd that he played that well. it's crazy. >> it is nc. >> it's amazing, impressive, something you typically don't see. there's a reason why his dad was so emotional watching his son succeed like that. >> i'm the new orleans saints guy i'm from louisiana.
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but i was just watching the game, getting dressed to go to heroes last night, and i cannot believe this is happening. one touchdown after another after another. and i kept waiting for, when is brady going to score? he almost got shut out. >> why did they call him mr. irrelevant? >> he was the last pick of the draft. >> this happens, someone who doesn't do well, they come back. it's the best come back story ever. i love those stories. >> let's hope it's repeatable. >> okay mom. mom's like everybody doesn't get a trophy. thanks, poppy. new details this morning about brittney griner and what she is doing days after she was freed from a russian prison. also this morning, cnn is hearing from migrant workers in qatar. they're revealing their mistreatment and abuse all in the shadows of the world cup.
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♪ all right. welcome back to "cnn this morning." new this morning back on the court. that is brittney griner's agent telling espn that the wnba all-star had a light basketball workout yesterday in texas, it happened two days after she returned to american soil after nearly 10 months in imprisonment in russia. her first move, appropriately a dunk. big picture here, the wnba fought for griner's release from russian detention since last winter. this is the latest effort in the league in recent years wnba members helped flip a seat in georgia supporting reverend raphael warnock, when kelly loefler spoke about against the black lives matter.
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and players wore breonna taylor's name on their jerseys to raise awareness of victims of police violence. and jacob blakes when she was shot in the back and paralyzed, they sat out games and wore shirts with his name on their jerseys. we spoke about why these players consistently speak up and stand up. >> what became clear is that these players, it was bigger than basketball for them. and unless you walk in their shoes, you don't know the heavy burden they took on. >> so let's talk to two stars of the wnba players who know brittney griner and have been rallying to get her home, elizabeth williams of the
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washington mystiques and allici collier who played on the olympic team alongside griner. elizabeth, i want to begin with you. we see what you do on the court and are impressed with the consistency with which you use your voices for the causes. you have said, don't wait. if we wait, we don't make change. >> absolutely. it's opportunity for us to speak up and speak out about social injustice is important. i think as female athletes we're kind of inherently political and constantly fighting whether it's for pay equity or just opportunities for women. so i think we're going to continue to speak out and obviously bg's situation was unique and unfortunate. and an even bigger reason to speak out. >> this all ties to brittney
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griner because the reason she went to play in russia was to supplement her income as so many of your fellow players have to do. because of the huge pay disparity for the wnba players versus nba. >> yes, and that's something that we've been working for and fighting against for a long time, you know, we are getting better. we have a new cba that was implemented three years ago. so it is getting better but it's not where we want it to be. so players are still going overseas. we're looking for ways to keep players here, but there are ones that go over seas and like elizabeth said it's a unique and unfortunate situation with what happened with brittney. >> you said this has deterred you from playing overseas again, you changed your mind. it costs you money, playing time you are of the mindset it's not worth it basically. >> yeah. it's scary.
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and you really have to evaluate, anyone who wants to go overseas, what it's going to look like. russia was a big market, there's a lot of money to be had there, but you have to look at the rules are different than ours, their laws. and for me, it's just not worth it. it's not the same for every player but i have a family now, being at home is just a better option for me. >> this is going to sound like a weird question to either of you, did you see trevor noah's good-bye on the daily show, his tribute to black women? i don't know if you saw that. >> i didn't see that. >> i saw a couple minutes of it, yeah. >> so there's a method to my madness here, the reason i'm asking. during george floyd i had this -- i did a podcast called silence is not an option and ie highlighted the nba and how you
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were leading on social issues, what you did with the jerseys and so on. even before the nba, the guys did it. i wonder how that ties into it. i think there is a tie between what trevor noah said about black women leading the way they could you know what and find out and how much he learned from black women in his life. and what gives you the courage to lead on these issues and put your careers on the line for standing up for what you believe is right? >> honestly, i think we're always operating with a sense of urgency. and, you know, understanding that all of these issues, if something doesn't directly impact us now, it might in the future. and i think we've kind of seen an indication of that in bg's situation. we've been talking about the pay disparity for a long time and players going overseas for a long time.
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i think this is when people are realizing kind of the dangers and perils of people going overseas and the pay impact of those pay equities. we want to start the conversation early so we don't get to the point. there's an inherent understanding of black women who want to take care of others and seeing how impactful that is. >> look what bg might do for people who are wrongfully held overseas. that is a huge international -- that has geopolitical implications there. >> napheesa quickly before we go, i want to get your voice in here, final thought? >> i was going to add to what elizabeth said. i think us as wnba players are in a unique situation, we are a double minority a lot of us, black women. but we have a platform we can speak out against the injustices and we can use our voice for change. so i think that is also a reason why the wnba is so involved in
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this we recognize we have power in our league. >> thank you both. i'm going to come watch you in minnesota when i'm home. >> please do. >> thank you both. >> thank you, and thank you for what you do. thank you for bringing light to social issues and thank you for especially going there many times before the guys do and, you know, as the son of a block woman, hey, more power to you, nothing but love. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> thank you. did you see roger carson, the hostage -- >> it was amazing. >> he was on with dana yesterday and he talked about when he got on the plane with brittney griner and he said it was a 12 hour flight, you can have your space, you've been through a lot. and no, i want to talk. she's been around russian for so long she wanted to talk and converse. she was so gracious spoke to the whole crew, got all of their names. and it was interesting to hear. >> i can't wait to see what she
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does now. but i also can't wait to see what she does for women's sports and perhaps the wnba, perhaps hopefully something similar to venus and serena and women's tennis. when she puts her hand on a basketball we saw the practice there. but for an official game i think it's going to be huge. >> so glad we had them on. thanks for our great team for booking them. remembering grant wahl. >> our friend. >> our friend. we are looking back at the life of the sports journalist who died while covering the world cup in qatar. his former colleague at "sports illustrated" wrote this beautiful piece remembering him, and he'll be with us next. and the environmental concerns after the keystone pipeline spills thousands of barrels of oil. we'll give you the latest. >> yikes. roster ever created.h ♪
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welcome back to "cnn this morning." coming up on the program, why shipping containers, actual shipping containers are lining the u.s./mexico border this is a move that one federal agency calls illegal. also a new york college student studying abroad in france is being reported missing. and a winter storm pummelling the west coast.
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how the south will be impacted ahead. first this morning, remembering a pioneer of soccer journalism. here in the united states and around the world and also a friend of this show, grant wahl, who passed away at the world cup in qatar on friday. he just turned 49 years old p. he covered eight world cups as a reporter. he talked to us in recent weeks after he was detained by officials there on the ground when he was trying to enter the stadium for wearing a rainbow shirt. >> i was thinking the entire time like if i'm being treated this way during the world cup when the attention of the world is on qatar and i'm an american who has a pretty prominent media following, imagine how gay people in qatar, outside of world cups must feel or what they must endure. i have family members who are gay, friends who are gay, journalist friends who are gay who are here in qatar.
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but you don't need that to be supportive, ton be an ally. >> joining us is chris, the former editor and chief of "sports illustrated" where he worked with grant for 23 years, now the deputy managing editor of l.a. times studios. i know this is hard so thank you for joining us. you worked with grant for over two decades. ever since news of his death broke everyone has been talking about the impact he had, what kind of reporter he was. everyone remembers the lebron james story he had. what i was struck by that you wrote was less about how he was as a reporter and more how he was as a colleague. you said from the late spring day in 1996 he walked into the headquarters, he relentlessly championed inclusion of his colleagues. >> yeah.
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i mean, grant and his wife, dr. celine gounder, used to throw dinner parties for "sports illustrated" once a month. and the idea behind these dinners was to bring people together who normally wouldn't come together, who probably didn't know each other, and he was really all about connection. i think that's how he viewed soccer in a big way. people used the word he lifted soccer, he poplarized it, pioneered its coverage. but everything that grant did, in his coverage of soccer and the way he related to colleagues is he believed in sharing. he shared soccer. much in the same way that anthony bourdain shared food and used it as a vehicle to bring people together. that's what grant saw, among other things, as being the purpose of soccer. >> i thought it was -- when we had him on the show and talked
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to him about the moment he had an issue getting into the game because he was wearing that shirt, he didn't actually think it was a big deal. like it was second nature to him to stand up for people marginalized people, really for everyone. and that was just who he was. it wasn't like he was trying. that was just grant being grant. >> yeah. i heard him in that earlier clip say that he was an ally, that's what he really was, he was an ally, especially to his friends, to strangers, you know, and he had this big platform that he really created from scratch. and, you know, from the day he launched this soccer stand alone vertical at "sports illustrated," right through this world cup in qatar, he recognized the power of that platform, but by nature he was a person who was an ally to friends, colleagues, getting back to kaitlan's earlier
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question. that's who grant was. >> i'm so sorry. reading your piece just tugged at sort of every single heart string because you clearly loved him and admired him so much. you talked about bourdain earlier, our former colleague, anthony bourdain, you write like bourdain he had the gift of converting the incurious or at least getting them to sit up and take respectful notice. he helped us see things that we were missing. >> yeah. i think he viewed it as kind of his obligation. almost as a sort of benign penance for this great adventurous life he had. how could he not share it? everybody wanted -- he would come back from these trips, you know, across the ocean, in different hemisphere, the farthest remote corners of the world and we wanted to hear about the experiences.
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he was all too eager to share it with us and his readers. it was important to acknowledge, i have this big, wonderful life, but i want to share this big, wonderful life with you. >> he's going to be so missed. chris, i know this is difficult but thank you for joining us to talk about him. because it's important to talk about him. >> chris, thank you. i think it's a little detail that's important before we go here. flowers left at the desk that would have been grant's as the england and france game was played on saturday. so thank you. we appreciate you joining us for that this morning. chris, it's amazing. listen, there are those flowers. we have to be transparent because we just had grant on. we love chris and what he's sharing about his friend. but we also know celine, she's a member of our family, dr. celine gounder. >> his wife. >> his wife. i've been texting with her. his body is coming home soon, she has to deal with that.
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eventually she'll come out and speak. i would love for her to speak on this show just to honor her husband. because he was an extraordinary man, as she is an extraordinary woman and we are all thinking about you dr. gounder. we're with you and love you. >> we are. this morning migrant workers who built the stadiums we were just talking about in qatar leading up to the world cup are sharing their stories of abuse and mistreatment now. larry is hearing some of these first-person accounts and joins us now live from kenya. hello to you, good morning, or good afternoon to you there. larry, what have you been learning about this? >> reporter: don, we've heard stories so painful that several migrant workers have told us it is similar to modern day slavery. let me walk you through these accusations. they spent years building the world cup that the world has seen during the fee fee world cup -- fifa world cup.
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they said they worked 14, 16 hours, with few breaks, very little overtime. whenever inspectors came around they were told to behave. they endured verbal and physical abuse, long hours, they were not paid. it's a litany of accusations. i want you to listen to this one worker who just returned to kenya after three years in qatar. >> the kenyan worker asked why are you calling me black monkey? the supervisor slapped him. another one died. another one was beaten and he went missing. >> you saw somebody die in front of you? >> yeah. someone collapsed and died. i think that was the harsh weather conditions. >> because of the heat? >> because of the heat. limited drinking water breaks.
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>> reporter: that man is a football fan but he said he's too traumatized to watch the world cup. doesn't want to watch qatar on television. and there are stories all around africa and south asia, the bulk of whom who built the stadium. >> i was surprised by how the officials were responding, one saying death was a natural part of life. there are questions about accountability and what people want to see here. >> reporter: absolutely. until recently organizers insisted only three people died during the building of the entire world cup and it's only until a few weeks ago, the world cup chief for qatar admitted between 400 to 500 migrants could have died on projects connected to world cup. but that flippant attitude has been criticized saying it's a natural part of life. so many, and so many uncounted, is truly an outrage for many
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so right now arizona's outgoing republican governor doug ducey is pushing ahead with his efforts to do what he thinks will secure the southern border, stacking shipping containers with razor wire. this comes as officials brace for an influx of migrants when the hold on title 42 lifts. the pandemic order restriction has been used nearly 2.5 million times to expel migrants without allowing them to apply for asylum while in the u.s. arizona's newly independent senator kyrsten sinema wants the policy extended. she addressed the southern border crisis in an interview with our jake tapper. watch this. >> as a native arizonan born and raised near the border i can tell you unequivocally the federal government has failed its duty. >> not just democrats.
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>> everyone. the federal government has failed here. places like arizona, front lines of this crisis, have been paying the price every single day since then. so for us, this isn't just a talking point of team a versus team b, this is our life every day. >> i want to bring in maris antonin and raul reyes. we're so glad to have both of you on. welcome to the program. maria, can you break down this border situation? it's complicated. people at home may not know all the nuance and the details and the politics surrounding this. >> title 42 is a trump-era policy enacted early on in the pandemic to send migrants crossing the southern border back either to mexico or their home countries without allowing them to apply for asylum as our laws indicate.
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part of the reason, the trump administration said, was to stop the spread of covid-19 in immigration detention centers even though the cdc said at the time that migrants weren't a huge causes of spread of covid-19. it was seen as a political move by critics just to use immigration again as this divisive issue and expeditiously expel immigrants from the country. when biden came in, he said he was going to end the policy right away. what we have seen is that the biden administration has sent mixed messages about it. they've come to rely on it more and more, especially as we got closer to the midterm elections when immigration became again a very polarizing hot topic and they wanted to change the conversation because what dhs officials are projecting is once title 42 is lifted, anywhere between 9,000 and 14,000 migrants would try to cross the
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border with a worst-case scenario of about 18,000 a day. that's more than double -- >> that's the rub right now. that's where we are. >> one of the major problems with this idea of stacking these containers is that the governor is doing it on what is federal land and tribal native american land. he really does not have, number one, legal authority to erect these containers there. he admits that. he filed a lawsuit with the government to say he recognizes that, but he feels he has to take the situation into his own hands. so that's a problem. >> just to clarify, they're putting these shipping containers and barbed wire. >> lining them up along a ten-mile stretch. the other thing is, even looking at the pike tours, they're wildly ineffective. people can climb up on them. if people want to climb up on them and go over them, it's very easily done. it's a dangerous construction effort. in august univision reported two
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of them toppled over. it holds the potential to harm border patrol agents and firefighters there. it's completely ineffective. to me what is a conservative argument against these containers, the state of arizona, the taxpayers are paying up to $95 million for this. that's the governor's estimate. in about three weeks, when there's a new governor, the taxpayers will pay millions more to undo it and get rid of them with the new container. it doesn't solve anything. it doesn't increase the effectiveness of our asylum system. it's a stunt, like a border publicity type of effort. >> maybe it's not a solution. there obviously is debate over whether or not it's legal, the environmental issues as well. it is talking about a real issue which is the border. that's something that republicans and democrats in arizona agree on. katie hobbs told us she thinks the federal government,
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including democrats, are not addressed it in a real way. >> mark kelly. >> there's going to be an influx of apprehensions at the border. >> for sure. what will happen when title 42 ends, no one disputes, as you managed, we'll see a high influx of migrants at the border. i think what gets lost in this picture is ending 42 will basically amount to a restoration of law, u.s. law that migrants have the right to apply for asylum pursuant to u.s. laws and our international treaties. whether or not there's more than we can handle, that's the responsibility of the u.s. government. legal immigration, there are caps and limits for each country. diversity visa, refugee's congress has set limits. with asylum-seekers congress has not. there's no productive way to say x number of thousand or this number of asylum-seekers is too
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many. it's on the government to make it effective. >> let's see if this sort of framework worked on by kyrsten sinema now an independent can come to -- democrats in swing states, moderate democrats more in danger politically, they tend to side on the republican side which is why you see arizona, new hampshire, montana. >> seeing different parties to come together. can they do it this time? let's hope so. >> it's create add humanitarian crisis, title 42, kids, families in mexico may be persecuted and dangerous conditions, living in tents for like two years when our laws specifically say they can come in and ask for it. >> i'm glad you guys pointed it would be a reversion back to the law which is you can go before a judge and seek asylum. >> come back early and often. thank you very much. new this morning, scientists set to announce a major break through in the so-called holy
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