exactly. >> erin, for now, the french authority's statements focusing on the possibility that deland may have gone voluntarily, pointing for instance out to that photograph taken on december 3rd in that store where he appears to be well and under no particular duress and yet his family saying they don't buy it at all. you need to look at what he left behind as his host family's house. things like his computer, train pass, phone charger. the kind of things you take with you even if you've planning a short trip and they say it's totally out of character. they spoke, say his dad, every other day and that painful wait gets worse every day. he was due home on thursday. >> melissa, thank you very much. live from paris tonight. and thanks to all of you for being with us. "ac 360" begins right now.

good evening. for more than six months, cnn has pursued the question of what went wrong in uvalde, texas. 21 people were brutally murdered including 19 children and yet parents tell our reporters that much of what they have learned about why it took authorities 77 minutes to stop the gunman once he entered the school and why the overlapping law enforcement agencies that arrived didn't follow active shooter protocol, most of it has come from our own reporting. shimon prokupecz has been breaking new details about the response for months now, confronting law enforcement officials. tonight, shimon has new reporting about what did and didn't happen in those 77 minutes. he joins us now from texas with new information we learned just moments ago about uvalde's sheriff. what have you learned? >> reporter: yeah, that's the sheriff of uvalde county. what we're learning now is that

according to the texas commission on law enforcement and also an expert that was hired by the uvalde county to review the policies of the sheriff's office on that day, we discovered that the sheriff according to these records has not actually had any kind of active shooter training. we also learned today that on that day, on may 24th, and really for several month after that, anderson, that the uvalde county sheriff, there was no active shooter policy in place at that time. that has since changed. they instituted a policy in september. hard to believe all this information is just now coming forward. we also tried to get information from officials, from a law enforcement official, who was present on that day of the shooting and the uvalde county district attorney who was running this entire investigation. she has refused to allow investigator to answer any of these questions and of course all of this families today expecting to get some kind of answers and they didn't,

anderson. >> the mission now, sheriff. >> yeah. one by one, they're going to fall. >> reporter: just over six months since the robb elementary shooting, families of the victims gathering in force at the uvalde courthouse. >> i don't wtrust anybody at ths point. we haven't gotten information from any of them. our information has been coming from you guys. >> reporter: they're still demanding what failures allowed the 19 children and two teachers to go without help for more than an hour while they were trapped alone with a gunman. at a county commissioners meeting, a highly anticipated independent review of the local sheriffs office revealed the department had no active shooter policy at the time of the massacre. >> there was no active shooter policy. there were only definitions. it did define what active shooters were and there were forces that were critical

incidents and how officers would respond to that, but there was no active shooter policy. >> the report did not examine the actions of the officers and their failures that day. only the policies that were in place. last week, a cnn investigation into the department's leader, revealed the highest ranking law enforcement official in the county failed to organize a response. even after he was informed of 911 calls from inside the room asking for help. he says he didn't hear that call even though body camera footage showed he was in earshot of multiple radios and was told by another officer on scene. the sheriff gave incorrect information about what time he arrived at the school and what he communicated to other law enforcement leaders. he did not appear at this meeting and has not responded to cnn's request for comment. speaking in november, he said he

thought his response was adequate. someone who did make a rare appearance speaking only behind closed doors, the uvalde county district attorney. christina mitchell is blocking any records or video from being released while her investigation is ongoing. her reasoning is wearing thin on the victims' families and the uvalde mayor, who sued the d.a. last month, asking a judge to compel the release of information to the city. mitchell has said her investigation could take years. she continues to refuse to answer cnn's questions. also appearing publicly for the first time since a cnn investigation into his actions, mariano pargus. he was the acting city police chief on the day of the shooting. a cnn vinvestigation revealed h

had direct knowledge of the phone call and confirmed the det details with the dispatcher and still failed to organize help. >> all that stuff isn't the way it happened. >> i'm from cnn. we spoke on the phone. so, you're saying -- >> we need to go. >> you're saying some of the stuff out there is not accurate so i'm asking what that is. >> reporter: he resigned before the city could fire him, but is still uvalde county commissioner, a post he was re-elected to in november. after the meeting, angry parents waited outside. >> you're an elected official. we have a right to ask you questions. do you think the job you did that day was adequate? >> excuse me. excuse me. excuse me. excuse me. >> anything you want to say to the victim's families? anything you have to say? >> shut up -- i hope you also take care of his kids!

i hope so! >> one way or another, you're being forced out! >> talking about my son -- >> shimon, how is it possible a law enforcement agency in this day and age, i mean, so many years after columbine, that he would not have an active shooter policy. i don't that. they didn't go through active shooter training? >> so some of them did go through training. the sheriff did not go through the training, but interestingly enough, anderson, what we have found is that it's not required. it's not something that is required. certainly certainly legislators, community members hope that changes. it is mandatory for school police officers and chiefs for schools, but not for police officers in general. and you're right. how is it possible that after so many years post columbine that

the schools that some of these police departments don't have this policy in place. many of the police departments do the training, but it's a question of policy and what's being taught to some of these officers in these smaller departments and quite honestly, anderson, in talking to someone tonight, this person really just feels that the sheriff's office, other officials there just never thought something like this would happen in their town. >> stay with us. i want to bring in cnn senior law enforcement analyst, andrew mccabe. you heard shimon's report. no active shooter policy in place at the time of the shooting. today, the uvalde county sheriff himself has not completed active shooter training. just from a law enforcement perspect perspective, what do you make of that? how important is having a policy in place? >> for any law enforcement agency in this country of any size to not have an active shooter law enforcement, active shooter response policy in place or plan in place is just simply

law enforcement malpractice. law enforcement leadership malpractice. there are so many resources at the federal level and at multiple state levels to provide that sorto of guidance and training to law enforcement officers around the country. the result of massive legislative efforts. the investigative assistance crimes act from 2012 poured resources into it. the fbi's been out doing alert training. advanced law enforcement rapid response training for a decade now. if you go on to the dhs weabsit, you can see the massive resources available for any law enforcement executive to be able to access the latest information, the latest research and to be able to actually line up training for their folks. there's no, it's inexcusable. >> and andrew, you and i have talked about this for years. after column bien, changed.

law enforcement policy was changed to go in immediately. whoever responds fast, team up, go in, neutralize the shooter. that's just universally accepted. it's not as if things have changed every single year in what the recommendation for law enforcement is. that's been in place now for quite some time. >> it's been in place for over a decade. the only thing that changes from year to year is the number of mass shootings we have and that number keeps going up dramatically. the fbi publishes detailed research and reporting on that and in fact, the texas legislature did pass a law requiring, as shimon indicated, a rapid response and active shooter response training for not just school police officers, but school resource officers. so any law enforcement officer who is assigned and providing services to a school and that could certainly include officers

in county sheriff's departments or city police departments and they are, that, the training they provide and i have it right here, it's available online for anybody who wants to read it. it's a fascinating document. it perfectly tracks that state-of-the-art we've been talking about. that standardized response. the priorities of what you're supposed to do when you show up at the scene even if you're the only person. the fact you have to put yourself at life's risk in order to try to stop that shooter from killing innocent civilians. all that stuff is right there in the policy. >> shimon, when it come to the uvalde sheriff's department changing, what's changing? >> so, this policy is now in place. there's a policy, you know, this report today, this all comes because there was a report, the county hired someone, they did this report, they did not focus on anything, any of the failures that day. instead, they said we're just going to take a look at the policy, but there are still so many questions as our really

long investigation proved last week, about the actions of the sheriff. the community members want him out of office. he's elected so it's going to be difficult, but also the actions by the deputies and what they were doing. we don't have the answers to those questions because officials keep refusing to answer any questions. the sheriff has refused to answer any questions. we've gone back to him today to find out if he has any response to this report. nothing. and that's what keeps happening. so we tdon't know. there's no transparency. and quite frankly for the community members an kids who go to these schools in uvalde, they're afraid because they don't know what's going on and they don't know if these officers can handle another situation like what happened on may 24th, anderson. >> appreciate the reporting, andrew as well. i'm joined by brenda, who was in shimon's report moments ago. the grandmother of anne-marie joe garza who was 10 years old

when she was murdered. i'm so sorry for your loss and that we're talking under these circumstances. the fact you don't have answers so long after this horrific, horrific event is stunning to me. i'm wondering your reaction when you learned the sheriff's department had no active shooter policy in place at the time of the shooting. >> i was in total shock. i could not believe that with all the mass shootings that have taken place just in texas alone, there there was no, no policy, no policy in place. it was a total shock. >> the acting uvalde city police chief on the day of the shootings was there today as well. i understand it was the first time you've seen him since he knew about the phone call coming from inside the school as the 14509ing was unfolding and yet still didn't organize a team to go in and neutralize the

shooter. to be there to see him, what was that like? >> it was very hard. it was hard and it just, it was very sad because he had -- to breathe or to take control and instead, he ran the other direction. so seeing him for the first time was very hurtful. >> did he say anything to you or to any of the families there today? >> no, he did not. we slightly made eye contact because i sat right in front of him. i wanted him to see my face. i wanted him to see her face. i had a picture of anne-marie with me and my button and i wanted him to see me and look at me, but when we made the eye contact, he kind of just tried to smile, but turned very quickly. >> how are you, your family doing? with the holidays, it's

incredibly difficult time. >> of course, it's very, very difficult. my son and my daughter-in-law just can't keep it together to be able to enjoy the holidays so it's going to be definitely different this year. and very sad. it's very sad. >> is it, is it important for you to understand everything that happened that day? to finally get one day answers to exactly who made the mistakes, why things weren't done and figure out a way to make sure it didn't happen again? >> it is. and we all understand who pulled the trigger. we understand that it's the after effect that we are concerned about because there were several individuals that could have been saved had they

breached immediately. and we all know that now because we've received the autopsy report. so we know now, but we want to know who had the ability to do that. their lack of communication with radio communication, but there's also a way to walk around and find out who actually had control that day. you know, every leader had that opportunity. whether it be -- or pargas or whoever. whoever had, leaders there had every opportunity to walk around to find out who was in control the 77 minutes is 77 minutes too long. >> yeah. it stuns me that so many months later that you and the other family members are still having to be advocates for your granddaughter. for people's daughters, for

their sons, for their family members. that law enforcement, that there's not already all the information given to the families. i mean, it's incomprehensible to me that you are all just out there desperate for answers and not getting it really from any level of authority and i appreciate you talking to us to want. i'm so sorry we have to talk and continue to cover this in in way because it's, it just seems so terribly, terribly unfair. >> it's very sad we're stuck on may 24th. we're getting more information from media than we are from our leaders here. but we really appreciate everything that y'all are doing for us. >> i appreciate what shimon is doing and his team and all the folks covering this. i'm so sorry for your loss. thank you. still to come, the white house calling on what marjorie

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steve bannon. >> then january 6 happens and next thing i know, i organized the whole thing along with steve bannon here and i will tell you something, if steve bannon and i had organized that, we would have won. not to mention it would have been armed. >> she told cnn she was being sarcastic. the white house called it quote, violent rhetoric and a slap in the face to law enforcement and those who lost loved ones on january 6th. joining us now, zoe lofgren. on sunday, the committee reviewed recommendations for possible criminal referrals that could possibly include the former president. appreciate your time tonight. you heard the comments. in a statement today, she's saying she was being sarcastic, was kidding. what's your response? >> i don't find it very funny to

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tonight, new developments on efforts to secure the release of american paul whelan who remains detained in russia. the white house confirmed that biden administration officials met virtually with a member of his family. the white house also laid out their next steps in their effort to negotiate with russia. joining me now, kylie atwood. what do we know about this meeting with his sister? >> she felt encouraged. it was with working level officials from state department,

national security council, state department spokesperson said it was to discuss the next steps in the strategy to bring home her brother, paul. we heard this afternoon from jake sullivan. he described it as a substantive conversation and said that elizabeth was able to give some ideas. ask some questions. and i also want to note that we learned today that brittney griner in texas played basketball for the first time in about ten months over the weekend. first thing that she did was go up and actually go up to the hoop and put it right in. her agent said to our colleague she wants to use her power for good and influence others. rest assured, she'll try to use that voice to get paul whelan home. >> the white house reiterated they're determined to get whelan released. what are the next steps? >> yeah, so the national security adviser said there is going to be a meeting, an engagement, between u.s. and russian officials in the coming

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took part in when the actual exchange took place. this is something we've seen in cold war spy movies and novels. what was it lieke? >> thanks for having me. it was almost surreal. we've done this a few times, but every time it's unique and special. we work hard to bring these moments about. the most important part, i guess the moment is jumping on to the plane of the other country and in this case, the russians. going up to her, telling her i'm here to take her home on behalf of the president and secretary of state. >> was anything said between greiner and bout? was there any like recognition? it's just such a weird passing moment. >> it is. i wasn't able to really get a picture of that. i was kind of out of position. but they were crossing each

other and i was on the other side of them. >> obviously, you're aware there's been a fair amount of criticism about exchanging american who was being held for possession of a small amount of cannabis oil and bout, a weapons trafficker. >> i understand and hear what the other side is saying, but what's unacceptable to me and this government is when an american citizen is being held wrongfully in a foreign jail undergoing harsh conditions, not being treated well and the bottom line, there's a sense of injustice and our country is committed. that's enshrined in law, to pursue these cases and bring these americans who are held wrongfully, home. >> does it make it harder now on paul whelan? obviously in the ideal world, all this would be in secret, but the fact that now russia is aware that there is pressure on the biden administration to get whelan out. that's got to impact any

negotiation. >> wouldn't want to get into too much detail, but we have a good team. it's i think we're very experienced a this now. you probably know we've brought well over a dozen people home in the last few months. so no matter whoat's happening, we're going to find a way to overcome and we will bring paul whelan home. >> cnn has reported to get paul, they've focused on -- who's in prison in germany for the murder of a georgian citizen in berlin. a targeted assassination. not going to ask you to comment on specifics, obviously, but is it even possible for the u.s. government to secure the release of somebody else held in a third country? >> i would imagine that where there's a will, there's a way, but as you said, right now, that's not on our agenda. it's not on our to do list. we are going to keep on pushing forward. just as reported by kylie, we had a meeting today which elizabeth whelan was included.

we spent about 45 minutes brainstorming on different ideas l listening to her she's a great partner. in fact, we try to partner with all the families. we don't have a monopoly on all the good ideas in the government. we operate our best when we partner with the families, share ideas and information and at time, some ideas the families give us turn out to become part of the release mechanism that usual usually wins a release. we were grateful to talk to her. as jake said, we're going to keep progressing with our dialogue with the russians. there's a way forward. we have an open dialogue. we're planning out next steps. we have a great team involved and most importantly, we're partnered with the family. >> i find your job fascinating. not asking specifics about russia, but when you're dealing with the government, do you find the other side moves the goal post? again, not any specific government, but what are the most complex parts of this? it seems so fraught.

>> that has happened. in fact, it's really not unusual. in fact, it probably happens in any negotiation about anything. in this case, we've had cases where the other sides move the goal posts. the most important thing is to just sit down with the other side, establish a relationship and really just ask the question, what's it going to take to get this done. there's always going to be a gulf in what we can give and what they want. my job is to narrow that gap to get us an agreement. >> it's fascinating. thanks so much. >> thanks for having me. coming up, it's been called a tripledemic. three viruses sickening millions of americans at once causing medicine shortages, putting major strains on hospitals again. we'll talk to dr. sanjay gupta about the steps you can take to stay healthy this winter. next.

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million, about 14% of the population lives in an area that's considered to have a high coronavirus level. then there's the flu and the first full week of data since thanksgiving, the cdv estimates there have been 13,007,300 deaths. rsv has been hitting the country hard, but cases appear to have peaked as positivity rates and new hospitalization rates have slowed. for more on the impact of this triple threat, we turn to dr. gupta. so, sanjay, can you put the rise in covid, rsv and covid here in the u.s. in perspective. >> sure. one of the things that we've always looked at are the hospitalizations because i think they're the truest number. we may not always know how many cases there are out there, but hospitalizations are a good indicator. what's interesting is that if you look really since the beginning of the pandemic, the hospitalization rates now are as high as higher than they've been at any point over the last two and a half years.

which is kind of remarkable. you remember all the conversation about flatten the curve. it was to avoid the sort of situation that we have now where hospitals are really overwhelmed. the closest to this was probably january of this year when omicron was really hitting and covid was really driving that at that point. we know that. now covid cases are about 6% of those hospitalizations. that's a little bit of context. rsv you mentioned can be quite severe. especially for young children. but it does seem to have peaked. numbers are coming down. they're keeping a close eye on this. what we're seeing now is really predominantly flu. you're having tens of thousands of people getting hospitalized with flu every day and that's what's driving most of the hospitals, particularly children's hospitals, to that level of being really full. two things i want to quickly point out. part of the reason the numbers are high with flu i think and rsv earlier was because of something known as an immunity gap. we didn't have as much exposure to flu and rsv over the last

couple of years because of the covid precautions, but the second thing is the numbers i want to show you on the screen, just vaccination rates. we talk a lot about covid and try to figure out where people are right now. up to date, less than 14% of the country is up to date on their vaccines. but take a look at flu. we've talked about this even before the pandemic. less than half the country is vaccinated between the ages of 6 months and 7 years and a quarter of the country 18 and older. even before the pandemic, only about half the country would get a flu shot every year. you're seeing part of the problem. >> do you think people should be wearing masks again? especially as they gather for, if they're traveling through airports and for the holidays? >> i do. i do think so and i do wear a mask if i'm going to be in crowded indoor settings now. honestly sometimes i get a lot of funny looks for it. i think if you're going to wear a mask, first of all, i think it's clear you should wear an

n-95 or kn 95. these are the types of masks that are going to be the best protection against this very transmissible viruses. it's interesting. part of the reason we have this immunity gap i was talking about is because these precautionary measures were working to not let people get as sick from things like flu even. so again, covid one thing. we can look at the map. i think you said 14% of the country right now lives in an area where there's high transmission. by the way, that does include new york city. so by their recommendation, people should be wearing masks indoors and crowded settings in new york city, but flu is not something we talk about as much but masks can be helpful there. we saw evidence of that over the last couple of years. this is what the map looks like by the way with covid. if you look at community transmission. it's much redder than if you just look at community levels overall. winter is always going to get worse. i think mask, again, i get a lot of funny looks, but they can do

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latest. >> my wife and child have been hurt badly. >> reporter: alex murdock says he called 911 after finding his wife and son bleeding at their hunting property in south carolina. >> are they breathing? >> no, ma'am. >> and what is your name? >> my name is alex murdock. >> reporter: that was june 7, 2021. 52-year-old maggie murdock was shot and killed with a rifle, and their son, 22-year-old paul murdock, was killed with a shotgun. alex murdock has denied harming them, but prosecutors now say he had a motive for allegedly killing them, to hide his alleged financial crimes and shift the attention away from his finances. prosecutors claim alex murdock defrauded clients, coworkers, and family members of nearly $9 million. >> the day of reckoning was coming, and he was out of cards to play. >> reporter: that alleged motive dates back to a february 2019

boat crash, during which paul murdock was allegedly driving drunk. 19-year-old mallory beach was killed in that crash. and because alex murdock owned the boat, her family filed a civil suit against him. on june 10, 2021, a hearing in that case was scheduled, at which alex murdock was likely going to be told to reveal his financial records. >> the plaintiffs wanted a specific personal recovery from alex murdock because they believe, like everyone, that he had a lot of money. >> reporter: but that hearing never happened. maggie and paul murdock were killed just a few days before it was supposed to take place, so it was cancelled. in a recent court filing, prosecutors allege that if the release of murdock's financial records was granted at that hearing, it would have led to his misdeeds becoming exposed and would have resulted in personal, financial ruin for murdock. >> he's still trying to prevent

who he really is from getting out. what he does do is kill his wife and son who were liabilities in the boat case. and immediately it stops everything. >> reporter: murdock's defense team pushed back on the alleged motive in court. >> mr. murdock had a handwritten financial statement -- reckoning in that regard. >> reporter: still, motive or not, a source with knowledge of the investigation told me blood spatter was found on alex murdock's clothing, which could prove he was in close proximity to at least one of the victims when they were shot. that same sourt also told me a video found on paul pmurdock's cell phone contains video of alex murder dock talking to his family well before his call to 911 at 10:07 p.m. prosecutors say maggie and paul were killed between 10:30 that night. and the audio on paul's cell

phone puts alex murdock at the scene at 8:44 p.m. according to the state, murdock left the property at 9:06 p.m. to drive to his father's house and upon returning, called 911 at 10:07 p.m. >> and anderson, alex murdock's attorneys don't dispute the fact that it was his voice on that recording on paul murdock's phone. they don't dispute the fact he was at the family home earlier in the night speaking with his wife and son. but they do note, at least they say, that it was a normal conversation, certainly nothing threatening, nothing out of the ordinary. this double murder case is just the beginning of what alex murdock is fashion. as you know, there have been these mysterious deaths that have been in his orbit for years. you have the case of gloria satterfield who was his former housekeeper who fell down the steps at his home. they're going to exhume her body. you have the case of steven

smith found dead in the middle of a road in south carolina. that case had gone cold, anderson, until investigators say they found something in the course of the investigation of the killings of maggie and paul murdock and now they're looking back into that. as he's facing these other two murders, he is now also caught up in these mysterious deaths, while those investigations are ongoing. >> it's such -- it's so incredible and so deeply disturbing. and if prosecutors are right and they prove their case, i mean, the fact that he would have killed his wife and child in order to hide financial crimes on his part, which his financial crimes are unbelievable, what he did to so many people who were his clients. but it's stunning. randi, i appreciate the update. since senator kyrsten sinema announced her decision to leave the democratic party to become an independent, there's been talk of ruben gallego running against her in 2024. we'll talk to the congressman next. sell or even trade your r

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