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this is cnn tonight. we have updates, tonight, on the doj investigation into donald trump. and there is new ludicrous things that the congresswoman from georgia is saying about january 6th and how much worse it would've been if she had been in charge. so now she is proud of that. it is deeper than just hateful comments. that congresswoman is on the verge of replacing important committees and having real power. >> shocking developments tonight, almost seven months after the horrific, tragic, uvalde school shooting. we're learned that the sheriff department actually had no active shooter policy when the 19 children, and to their teachers, were shot to death in their classrooms. how could they protect these kids if there was never a plan? >> so we have a lot to talk about. let's bring in cnn's john berman. we also have with that senior legal analyst, elie honig, and former republican congressman, charlie dent. gentlemen, great to have you all. let's start with the updates, at, lee and what's going on without the special counsel's

investigation into halting's donald trump. they want to interview brad raffensperger. that makes, since he's a pivotal player. why hasn't the doj interviewed him? it's been almost two years. >> can answer question what's the word, a man. i've asked the same question. why has it taken so long? this is a failure. it's not going to do the case, but it is an unforced error by prosecutors. laura knows this. as a prosecutor, you guard your witnesses jealously. if you get when they have somebody you think is important witness and someone else's sneak around, and of agency, and the prosecutors office. you shut him down and you keep your witness away. why? as because agreed? no, because you don't want your witness is exposed. that's a bad raffensperger. i know you testified for the genesis committee. there's a book on him. literally, there is a transcript for this testimony. what's going to happen if he becomes a doj with his? the defense lawyers are want to get all that title to it. they're gonna pick apart? oh, you said all of the differently this time than the time.

let's follow up on this. and so the more of a record there is under witness. the more voter bilious. so doj, to talking to raffensperger now. almost two years out, great. but they're too late. and frankly, it's embarrassing there they've been to the punch by congressional committee baltics. >> it gives me pause, as, well on that point. cutting but the idea. he's written a book. he's written it. so it may be different from that, et cetera. but also, we're talking about a special counsel have not been appointed. so i have to wonder, what were the prosecutors doing up until this point in time? and maybe we are not perfect at everything. i will give the benefit of the doubt in some respects. but why now? why are we just getting around to it? a few days before this committee is going to be good knighted. >> that's a good question. side one off. cassidy have just, but she testified, she blew the roof off and turned out the reporting new york times at the time the doj was totally caught by surprise. >> why? >> because they're moving too

slow. they spent a year and change, doj -- look, they have to do these 800 tonight or prosecution the people stormed the capitol. no doubt. the problem was during that time they focus exclusively on those people, and not in the key witnesses. they're getting there now. they've been much more aggressive in the last 4 to 6 months. which is good, but there is a cost for being slow. >> to be fair on this point. the committee was not forthcoming, always with information. you roll your eyes, but they also were having to fight a little bit about who would give what information, and when. but the committee, their role is not prosecutorial. they will snap oversight, to try and correct some shortcomings of the law, et cetera. do you see the idea of the committee moving quickly or moving slowly? >> the brad raffensperger thing, you don't need the committee. the only people who knew about that phone call was everybody. like the world. planted earth knew about that phone call. so either doj looked at it, and decided there was nothing there.

where they were just slow walking it for two years. which is hard to understand the flip side of this. i would say this to other things about this, which about me. number one, raffensperger call deals with illegality, and the ball passed by the guilty, and this donald trump. i mean, you talk to raffensperger when your best skin donald trump exclusively to see if he broke the law. the thing is they did talk to white house lawyers last week. that is huge. as weird as this is, as weird and as late as this all seems. the fact that they broke down that wall, over top of the white house lawyers, and broke through that privilege claim. that is a big deal. >> charlie, i want to bring you in and talk about something that congressman marjorie taylor greene has said this weekend. she said it quite proudly that if it had been up to her. if she, and steve bannon had planned january six, she said. it wouldn't have been worse, and they all would've been armed. first of all, let me give you the quote. not to mention it would've been

armed? it was our. first of all. and it had been worse. more than 140 police officers would've been badly injured. she is proud of this. and the point is not that she says ludicrous thanks, because we've all become accustomed to are saying ludicrous things. the point, is she's about to have real power. >> well, yeah. no which be particular surprised by this comment given that she's one who gave us the jewish space laser comment. she was a qanon person who actually happened. so i guess we should be surprised that she made these comments about january 6th. she's obviously very reckless, incendiary, and their statements. this is nothing you. that is not changed. i've been saying since the day she was first nominated to the congress down in georgia that she should've been denied admission into the republican congress. she was bound for sartorially. >> they should have never put

her on the committee. they were right to stripper. it's the band who took the democrats to kick off the committee. they should not remitted to any committee, ever. she should be ostracized. that is how you deal with people. you marginalize some of these radical elements. rather than normalize them you brought them into the tent. but at the same time, people say like liz cheney, and adam kinzinger. who were persona non grata, but had been brought in. here's the reason why they should be marginalized marjorie taylor greene. this just a latest example. , now she says it's facetious or sarcastic. well i saw the clip it didn't seem that sarcastic to me. i think she had admitted to be honest with you. it is horrible. >> excuse me charlie, let me ask you. i think we all agree, calling it sarcasm as a cop out. across identical sarcastic i think she intended to make the

statement she did. but what did you say, charlie? to the port that look, hold on, you want to marginalize. her but after she has done all these things safer would happen over the weekend. she was reelected in her district and the people of her district wanted her there. does that change the calculus in terms of how a potential speaker like mccarthy or otherwise could actually operate? knowing that they want to hear? she's not ended her term. she has been reinvigorated by a reelection. >> kevin mccarthy dealt effectively with steve king. to be racially insensitive, or incendiary comments. marginalized him. they threw me off the committee, basically we can't hear badly. and allowed primary voters to come in and take him out the primary. they couldn't beat steve king in the general election, but they beat him in the primary by weakening him. that is how you do that. you marginalized -- your crew to primary pundit, then you take about the primary. that is why you do this. it's an overwhelming republican district, i doubt the democrats

can ever -- won most republican districts in the country. that is how you do it. you have to marginalize, or make it harder for her to raise money to bring her into the tent. they almost normalized her. she's been able to monetize her notoriety, and she has raised piles of money. that is a part of the problem. the broader in, and she is almost been legitimized in many ways, sadly, in this crazy political environment we live in some of these more radical elements make a lot of money on crazy stuff. >> to our, point i think it is about to get worse. john, listen what they said on the war room last month. about what we should all prepare for men. >> what's been the oversight committee. we are going to do investigations into that little laptop hunter biden's. so you guys can buckle up, get ready, and we are going for a ride. because that is happening in january. >> look at the date that. was november 18th. that was the time, i think a few days after kevin mccarthy

and his first boat to become, or these thoughts become the speaker. the idea that she is saying, would be on the oversight committee. i'm wondering why she has an indication or to be that confidence to have the next statement she's made. >> it's a feature, not a bug, of a big part of where the energy is. and the republican party. not all of, it but a big part of the party, she represents. she just does. and this event she said this stuff about january 6th was like new york, republican. she is brought in as a celebrity speaker around the country, right now, a different public and events. at the northeastern state of new york. >> yeah, she gets chairs what she says i'm going to tell you if i've organized we would've won. one what's on january 6th? when a totalitarian government? what was winning? >> i think it's a great point, listen to exactly what she says there now she says it. it is interesting facial sarcastic just joking.

i agree with you. you asked what she was saying there didn't sound the joke. however, that method is a political method used by extremist. nick fuentes, by the way often jokes about, you know, awful things he saying about jews. he thinks just joking, it is what you do so you have this, i think part of it is illegal. but plausible deniability. it's really interesting to watch this playbook. >> well the covers monuments. something to, no offense, but whatever falls next. his offensive. >> look everyone, we have some news tonight on this school shooting in uvalde. and it is absolutely shocking. it is shocking to think about it. i mean independent review found that there was no active shooter policies in place on the day gunman killed 19 children. and to beloved teachers. cnn's report is next.

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a new report tonight revealing the uvalde county sheriff's office didn't actually have an active shooter policy at the time of that massacre. they took the lives of 19 children, and two adults.

>> this is very hard to believe because school shootings have become, tragically, a part of our regular lives. our school kids never asked. but this but why on earth would administrators be prepared for it at this point. cnn senior climate justice correspondent, jamele prokupecz has been covering the story since the second it happened. and the failed response to the shooting. how on earth, this day in age, wouldn't you have an active shooter policy? >> right, it is a great question. we think about the fact that, as you say. this is something that kids kids, practice. some that kids are aware of, some that kids have to go through and so today we learned, not only was there no active shooter policy with the uvalde county sheriff. but actually, the sheriff itself has not gone through active shooter training. it is some that's not required by law, but it's certainly something that you would think, leading long for smith officials go through, so they can make the right decisions

when the time comes. we are learning all of this because of this report that was commissioned by the uvalde county officials. they wanted to look at the practices. not of what went wrong that day? this is not a report looking at where the failures where, who screwed up back on may 24th. those about the practices, and the policies of the uvalde county sheriff. so that is where this report comes from. that's how we learn disinformation. today we spoke to the man who did this report, the expert, the police expert. take a listen to what he said. >> there was no active shooter policy. there are only definitions that. did defy with active shooters war. and they were forces that death with critical sal incidences how officers would respond to that but there was no active shooter policy. >> certainly, this took a lot of people by surprise. it is the pro family members,

but the fact that there was no policy. the deputies, for the most part, have gone through training. there are several that haven't, but obviously having this possibly some they needed to do. and based on the information we've been able to gather, they have made some changes, and they now have this policy. >> it's become the pham. i know you've been intimately involved since beginning here. i cannot imagine the families hearing that, at this point. we are talking about how this took place months and months ago. how are we just now hearing about this? what is a family's reaction to the fact there was no active shooter policy. >> time and time again, it takes. months it takes us chasing people around. whereas forcing people, ultimately. putting their backs up against the wall. to get this information. this came as a result of this report. and certainly when family members heard this, they were pretty shocked. they were expecting more information, because that one

about the failures that day. but to hear that there was no policy in place. it certainly took them by surprise, and they were upset. the problem is, they don't trust what is going on and the community. they don't trust what officials are telling them. take a listen to one man who lost his daughter on that day. we talked to him afterwards, take a listen to what he said. >> i just ended at this point. i don't, i mean, we have multi and information from any of them. our formations becoming from you guys. >> that's really his right there. mostly information has been coming from reporters. it doesn't mean there are not of the reporters. we are doing a lot of reporting there because so many of the officials have refused to answer the questions, and for these family members, they're gonna detail to fight. we're gonna continue to demand answers. they still need to have certain questions answered, because there are still so many things that we don't know about that day. >> shimon stay with us, john

berman and elie honig are back. at the chief law enforcement intelligence officer. john miller joins a conversation. john, this is the horror of it. it is unbelievable and never gets easier to hear about this, and we are not even the family members of those who lost their lives. it is just so tragic. what is your reaction and the fact that there is no active shooter policy? essentially, a handbook with definitions. because i wonder, isn't the policy save lives? >> after the more important thing is if there's active shooter training. if there's active shooter training this way you, the copper, suppose when you get there. that is, more important in the policy. on the other hand policy affects those up the chain from that police officer. which is what to the command control? be who should be in charge? and shimon's reporting the story has shown that the sheriff, and ask any sheriff in the country, they'll tell you that the highest enforcement official in the county. was at the active crime scene, where the early shooting had been. not at the school scene.

at the information as to the identity of the shooter, another information, which he did not bring into the mix of the scene and he did not go to the active shooter scene. and he did not take command of it. and the incident command system which is the bible for incident control, who's inside commander? it is you. everybody knows that. then when you take over, everybody knows that you have assumed command. and uvalde, nobody was in charge. nobody actually knew who is running it. there was assumption that there was a school police chief who had a total police department like six officers which was in charge. which would've been unreasonable, they're large instances there with more people. so, as we peel back the layers. we see more and more dysfunction in the kind of place that, probably, believed it would never happen here. which is the kind of place that keeps happening. >> on that point though, we talk about policy versus training. i think people need have a

better understanding. the policy is for the higher ups with the instructions of how to carry out the policies of the training. what is the distinction? >> but shimon just told us that the deputies went to some kind of active shooter training. the state of texas has an active shooter policy. the state of texas has active shooter training standards. but i think the policy piece is where we keep getting stuck. because, when everybody got there. the school police, the talent police, the county sheriff. the texas department of public safety. why wasn't there protocol where everybody knows that this is how we know who is in command? that is probably what declare policy would've brought. >> john, you, and i, shimon, all of us have covered more of these incidents. >> we are on the same play not uvalde what happened. >> it bottomless up because it was --

but the point is, shimon has been there. on and off, the sense that. the brown that plane. because of the incompetence and corruption that i've never seen anything like. >> that's exactly the point i want to bring up. the animals upon work was heard from shimon right there is today we learned. this is seven months we in. there should be no today we learned and uvalde. from the very beginning. there had been shifty responses of trying to choose about what i was carefully here. there has been the most opaque response to this that you could possibly imagine. as reporters, obviously, we don't. like it but what about the families? they have just been, if not deceived, they've been stiff charm. for seven months and to learn seven months in that that sheriff, you know, don't have either policy or the training. or certainly did know what he was doing. we know he did know what he was doing there because we saw that happen. but the fact that these facts

are just coming up now. , really there's something going out beyond the incompetence of this point. is not just incompetence, it does feel like there are things that are being hidden, or trying to be withheld. >> shimon supporting are exhibited that. he has, as he said, chased people around. to ask them simple questions that the families want to know. >> this is what can point to. i think we talk about those in the past, at least, the idea for a long time focusing on one portion, sara arredondo. the idea of thinking about this with the chief. and the idea was there had been more people who are involved. who would have their ability to change something, or be active? i wonder, oftentimes in the cruelty of a tragedy like this. you are left wondering what recourse of family could've had. you're left wondering, selfishly, as parents. as human beings. you want this never to happen anywhere else and this becomes a blueprint. and the law can become a vehicle to ensure our

deterrence. is there recourse? >> there is almost certainly not in the criminal charges here against these cops enlisted lied to investigators. they're well could be civil suits but it's all a slave immunity that protects police officers and a lot of what they do. i think is a couple of really important bigger picture points here. one, people think of the police, the cops, as some sort of monolith. but, as john was just saying. they have larry spawned layers. -- there is a state, places are, fence, fbi and the promise. and experience as firsthand. everyone has different policies, different training. and then when they all converge on a crime scene like this, who is in charge? whose policies are we following? the other thing that really strikes me about this is, i would say candidly, there's a sense of arrogance in the talent that goes with law enforcement. there goes being a prosecutor in a co-op. you're not all powerful. and you new, it can get used to respond to mediate requests or no comment, no comment, we will

talk about that. it is secret, it is confidential, and security, all of that. but there comes a time, and that's changed over time. but in a situation like this. to be so slow, and so not forthcoming as john has said. just makes it so much worse. so cops out to do better and, have been more transparent. and sometimes you just have to own up even if it hurts at the beginning, and be honest, because only make it worse for ourself. but more important for the families. >> does it i got that, look at the consequent. families will sue this reparations and will take a long time. the school police chief was fine. the town police chief retired and love what was coming. which is probably would be fired. the county sheriff is interesting because that's a political office. he runs for election. this is a problem that we will address itself. which is, when the election time comes up. people will say whether or not he perform to their satisfaction or not. and the people speak on that, more definitively than the

government might. >> shimon, you are the, expert obviously on all things uvalde. do you have a sense of why there is been so much stonewalling. and why you've had to change people around four months? >> so, i, think one of the things that i found and certainly our team here. and doing all this reporting, and gathered so much of the information. is that there was very early on indications that it was just best to point fingers that one person. and that was the school police chief. arredondo. it is easier to say you know, what he was in charge, and the head of the dps sort of made that. he came out and said he was in charge of the scene, but as we start looking at more and more information. it's becoming more and more clear that there are more people, more senior level people, who are in charge and there are some, like the mayor of uvalde we think there is a cover-up or. because people are embarrassed. some of the leaders of the department of public safety this prestigious law enforcement agency. the top law enforcement agency

here in texas. that had 91 of their deputies, and officers on scene. and the fact that they couldn't get control the situation, so there are quick to put all the blame on this school police chief. and now they are embarrassed. some feel it's. that something like the officers and the leading law enforcement officials don't want to accept blame. it is easier to point fingers at others for their mistakes that happened that day. if so no one wants to take ownership. i don't want to stand up and say, i screwed up. we screwed. up here is where we screwed up. and the overarching and all of this, the most interesting is. the uvalde district attorney where we try to ask questions today. she just wouldn't look at us, and walk away. she couldn't say anything, family members are frustrated. i have never seen a case where so many victims have been frustrated by this attorney. i have yet to find one family member who was satisfied with the job that she's done. and more on that is going to

come. but that's another problem in this entire investigation. she is preventing officials from releasing any information. she has threatened them, she said that she's going to potentially file charges against them if they were to release information. the mayor is having to sue her to get information. so you really need to wonder. what, exactly, is going on here? i don't know. it's going to take several more months, probably, before officials, someone comes before a podium. and finally tells to community, and these families, exactly what went wrong here. >> well, shimon, you're doing good work. and people would know about all this if you hadn't stayed there and been so tenacious. thank you very much for talking about all of this and being there tonight for us. >> all, right coming, up his more turmoil a twitter, and more backlash against elon musk. and now, the billionaire is going after doctor anthony fauci, and there is more qanon tropes, there's a lot to discuss. next. (groan) (growling)

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the winner in mosque waiting deepen the culture wars this weekend, taking to twitter to echo qanon talking points. >> even as twitter related to twitter blue plans. the use of more people the country. twitter announcing an email to employees that they are disbanding their trust and safety. what could go wrong? what could possibly go wrong? the move comes a week after three members of the council actually resigned. collin musk safety and well-being of twitters users is on the decline. we're back now with john berman, also cnn meteorologist, sara fischer.

and charlie dent is back with us as well. it is pretty exciting for spawn that point, sarah, to think about that council being disbanded. a pretty important function you would think would have to have? >> yes, elon musk says he's whatever zone content moderation council, but where is it. he said he's going to be making all these content moderation changes after he appointed a council, basically to replace the existing one. but he is nowhere near doing that. if council is responsible for helping guide twitter, not making decisions on things like how do you deal with hate speech? how do you deal with things that child pornography, really serious issues. they're not meant to sway twitter when we get other. to solve for helpful guidance. the fact that he's hispanic is a bit of a concern. >> just at the hate speech is -- >> outside counsel. so these are experts separate groups. these are people moving advertising. who can up twitter. oftentimes these groups work with other platforms such as, meta snapchat. so the bringing in some of their expertise from social media at large to help twitter make these policies better.

>> john, here's what elon musk tweeted this weekend. my pronouns are prosecute fauci. so cheeky, but also, strange. because does he not realize that dr. fauci isn't a governor. basically, what is talking about is that he didn't like the shut down the country -- >> doctor fauci did not make policy. but he was a medical expert, doctor. something that elon musk anger, and i are, is misdirected. maybe he doesn't even know that dr. fauci did shut down different states. >> he seemed to remember that elon musk predicted the pandemic will be over in april 2020. did he at one point? -- >> everyone isn't out to my pinion. i think elon musk was in that category of people who believes everyone is entitled to my opinion. that his views are so exalted and important that everyone deserves to hear them. what makes them different than a lot of, i think, these

corporate titans were followed themselves like this. it is the dude bought the media company. he bought a media company where he can amplify his views, however valid, were not valid. informed, or isn't formed. they might be. as reminiscent, and might be some very different cases, but henry forward bought the dearborn independent. what is local newspaper. so that he had an outlet to spot his antisemitic views. and the 19 twenties. you know, he was a corporate technical convinced he was read about something. how do i get the message out, they'll buy newspaper? so elon musk has now bought this platform. and can do whatever he wants with it. he shown the world he is going to do it every once with. it >> also think, though not to bring in charlie. that he is somebody who is a provocateur in some respects as well. not diminishing any of the comments or in any way excusing them. but he is attempting, i believe, to try and get the attention. to try and away from the bad press. i want to get different notions of impact.

this consequence in the way he's done. it you have the twitter former head of trust and safety having to flee his home because of escalating threats to things he's actually said. there are real consequences as well. but it is something that can be course corrected? by anyone other than elon musk, his own prerogative? >> while he's trying to change the subject, and course correct. this is not the way to do it. attacking an 80 something -year-old man. who frankly, isn't a hero thing the public health community given is. record at the wonderful opportunity to work with his team during zeke rice. this man, fauci, has a great reputation. and as you pointed out, he did not shut the government down. he was asked to keep it open. did he make mistake, to the public health they make some mistakes along the way? of course they did. but this is so misdirected, and it bad with fauci. i think that is going to win. but john others have pointed out. you, know he has a platform. and elon musk's which discover real fast, that is going to have to engage in content moderation, just as any other

platform does. the newspaper, they choose which letters of the editor to publish, not publish. but they're always moderating content. what is going to have to do the same thing. whether he likes, it or not. taken on fauci is a loser for him -- to go after the hearings coming up in 2023. >> real quick, from your perspective. is the way that he can be accountable. who doesn't answer to, now on twitter? >> the users. and if the uses are liking he's going to double down. the challenge here is engagement with twitter has actually gone up. it's one of those things were even though elon musk uses the platform to john's point. to spews beliefs. people can't get enough but watching the train cash. >> when you see engagement has gone up, more people have become twitter members? >> they're called users. now more users, more engagement tweets, i think that part of this new world is that everyone feels like they can engage in it for. whether or not you on one side of the other. i don't necessarily think that elon musk is doing everything right.

but he's definitely making twitter a hotter platform than it was before, in terms of making it more popular. at the end of the day, that's what he cares about. this is the business. but >> we'll everyone, if you're going through an airport this holiday season. you may be scanned by facial recognition technology had to tsa checkpoint. but is it creating more problems than it solving? did you even know that it was happening? we will talk about it

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there's a good chance that many of us are traveling to the holidays to some of the nation 's busiest airports. we're going have our faces scanned. why? because tsa is expanding its facial recognition pilot program. >> they say the goal is to meth the pastors face with a photo i.d., that security checkpoints.

why can't just match it right here? or just look at what match with a photo? >> how much. for >> anyway, the progress on the testing facebook is already getting a lot of pushback. cnn aviation correspondent, kate muntean explains. >> it is the new technology facing travelers as they fly for the holidays. the transportation security administration is now scanning your face, at select airport checkpoints. all part of a growing test with passengers have the suspect. >> i think it is a great idea. >> we are already using your phones, consistently. i mean just but everybody is doing it. >> the tsa started this small pilot program the peak of the pandemic. but, now the agency's trial is expanding to more than a dozen different airports. the latest additions are among the nation's busiest. denver, las vegas, dallas fort worth, and atlanta. tsa administrator, david pekoske, says the goal is evaluating the efficiency of

this technology before committing to a nationwide rollout. >> we are assessing how the technology works and we are accessing its accuracy, its impact on passengers. >> here's how this works. you walk up the machine, put your i.d. in the raider and that photo is match with what the camera sees lived. >> the response has been universally, very positive. more effective, speedier, more coming in for passengers, and things like that. >> quite frankly, it's not waning to help the public. >> the urgent need for greater transparency -- >> alberto convent on profit security technology oversight project says this could be the largest federal use of facial data, ever. >> this is not gonna screw it up. and people are gonna end up being detained by tsa, the canada faced with even more surveillance, and more invasions of their privacy. just because an algorithm gets it wrong. >> the algorithm, so, far has been putin are assessment. to get it right more than the

human investigations. >> the tsa says it is committed to passing or privacy, and immediately just twice most images and suckers data from cyberattacks. signs, and security lines, show you when you are about to be a part of this test. you can even opt out, and have an agent confirming hearty manually. >> i prefer person, right now. >> that's be some kind of parameter, in terms of privacy. >> i don't think tsa has made the case that this is a system that is the best use of resources to protect the american public. >> more than 20 state and local governments has implemented some sort of restriction on facial recognition technology. the tsa says that will not impact his private program. as it looks towards an interface approach to safety. >> the hope in the long run that were able to invent more and more advanced technology and our screening process? >> the tsa is also experimenting with taken this a step further. comparing the live image of you

at a checkpoint. with a photo of you already in a government database? like a passport vote, or visa? that test is taking place right now, but only on the limited scale? at the detroit and atlanta airports. the idea is never having to even show your i.d. at an airport. critics point out the biometric industry is part of a powerful, multi billion dollar tech lobby. and this technology is only now starting to take off. norah, alison? >> i heard, that thank you very much. is back with us now john berman, hallie honig. i know this was above the survey this. >> i like it or not? >> it depends on your world view. to what extent you trust the surveillance state and technology. >> how we all be so veiled at all times. >> especially the airport. not be over legal about the speed of privacy, rights course. but when you quentin airport you surrender a lot of them. you take your shoes off, you have to go into full bodies kind of thing where you hold your arms out.

and i think the argument from the government isn't this just another example. i think when important that sort of saves it from the biggest concerns is, you can opt out, a coin to this plan. you can say, no i want the old-fashioned way. i wanna make my determination. >> i wonder that instance. are you then considered suspicious, john? what if they get it wrong and pinks for some reason, and the recognition software that you need to be detained for some reason. as defendants commit. if someone says no, because my face only. there is my the cart. i'm going to raise an eyebrow that? >> well, and the test, you can opt out altogether. just how not passing by the. what to do the way we do today. which is somebody looked at, it then they look at you. very low tech as a tsa guy pointed out. the machine makes less mistakes on the human. because him look that, as well after an, haircut known as mustache. the machine is doing precise measurements. i would say that the question that we have to tackle a, are going to be the pictures. okay?

what is your attention? is it is a year, visitor next flight if you don't five for five years? does it go way? the second question is, who was a shared? with two other government agencies have the ability to access this? do you know those agencies are. for, instance in the nypd we have all sorts of face recognition tools, we have a crime in progress, we have a good picture, given that against what? we ran against mugshots? and people who are already in our fires. but not against the state dmv drivers license. you really have to be someone you know to get compared. those kinds of parameters are focusing on right. now and we give our facial recognition to apple iphone when we opt in. we give it to tsa tsa clay. are we give it to the line faster. we give it away to a lot of places. we just need to know, what are the rules about this picture. for a decision. but >> you have a picture up in

the attic and there's some deal made. >> the thing the machine can taliban stressed are angry. or just dangling of the lambs go off. >> that's your resting face? >> >> wrestling what base? >> resting regular face. >> all right, thank you all very much. it was an interception that added insult injury. when the game was over, there was not that was going to stop 49ers linebacker, dre green, law from going up to tom brady. we want to tell you what happened next. and what john berman reaction was. >> he cried? . the

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49ers biden backer, dre green, but enter something a pass from tampa bay buccaneers quarterback, tom brady. >> the 49ers beat the buccaneers, 35 to 7 attendees game.

but after the game, greenlawn with up to brady to ask him to sign at the ball that he intercepted. [inaudible] back with us, our resident tom brady expert, john berman. john, does this make you love tom brady more? >> he didn't terribly sick, there have to say. [inaudible] >> it's one death underhanded compliments. the defensive play was super genuine with what it was doing. a brady was awfully nice to sort of play along. but there's an aspect to it thought was really rubbing salt. >> you are the, man you're the g.o.a.t.. they really did obviously love him. but i heard that too.

since i was too. >> they did say sorry we just beat you, sir. they did say that that aspect of it. >> that is the way the ball he picked off from tom brady there. >> why do you have tom brady sign when you meet him? >> my chest. i've been to rock cancer, this isn't that what you do. >> that's exactly. right [laughter] the right next to tattoo that -- [inaudible] i've been to leave her little bit. it's wonderful. guess what everyone there's a dangerous winter storm across the entire nation. and they could bring blizzards, and tornadoes, and flooding all at once. a live by the report, next.

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