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good evening from within six months. cnn has got a positive questions from what went wrong in robb elementary school uvalde, texas. 21 people, approved -- yet parents tell reportersuch of what they have learned about why took authorities 77 minutes to stop the gunman when he entered the school. why the overlapping law enforcement agencies that arrived didn't follow except an active shooter protocol. most of it has come from our own reporting. cnn's shimon prokupecz has been breaking new detail about the response for months now, converting not force but, officials trying to get answers as to tragedy and voted. , tonight shimon has more new reporting about what dayton did not happen in those 77 minutes that took police to confront the killer. he joins us now from texas with some new information, we learned just homesick about the

fall the sheriff. >> that is reuben alaska, who's the sheriff of uvalde county. what we're learning now is that according to the texas commission on law enforcement, and also an expert that was hired by the uvalde county to review the policies of the sheriff office on that day, we have discovered that the sheriff according to those records has not actually had any kind of active shooter training. we also learned today that on that day, on may 24th, and really for several months after that anderson, that the vita de county sheriff, there was no active shooter policy in place at that time. that has since changed. they instituted a policy in september, hard to believe all of this information is just now coming forward. we also try to get information from officials, from law enforcement officials who was present on that day -- the uvalde county just returning -- she has refused to allow investigators to answer any of these questions and of course all of the families today expected to get some kind of answers and they didn't anderson. >> the mission now, the sheriff, yeah -- >> just over six months since

the elementary shooting, families of the victims gathering in force at the uvalde courthouse. >> i would trust anybody at this point -- we haven't gotten any information from any of them. >> there is still demand to know what failures allowed the 19 children and two teachers who died to go without help for more than an hour. while they were trapped alone with the gunman. >> at a county commissioner meeting, a highly anticipated independent review of the local sheriff's office revealed a department that had no active shooter policy at the time of the mask. her >> there was no active shooter policy, there were only definitions that did define what active shooters were and there were portions that -- how officers would respond to that, there was no active shooter policy. >> the report did not examine the actions of the officers and

their failures that day. only the policies that were in place. last week, cnn investigation into the departments leader, uvalde sheriff ruben alaska revealed the highest ranking law enforcement official in the county failed to organize a response, even after he was informed of 9-1-1 calls from inside the room. asking for help. no lasko says he didn't hear that call, even though body camera footage shows he was within earshot of multiple radios, and was told by another officer on scene. the sheriff gave incorrect information about what time he arrived at the school and what he communicated to other law enforcement leaders -- speaking in november, he said he thought his response was adequate. >> i am -- >> someone who did make a rare appearance, speaking only behind closed doors, the uvalde county district attorney. kristina mitchell is blocking any records or videos from being released, while her investigation into the failure is ongoing. >> what are you waiting for them? >> for reasoning is wearing

thin on the victims families and the uvalde mayor who sued the dea last month, asking a judge to compel the release of information to the city. mitchell has had her investigation could take years, she continues to refuse to answer cnn's questions. (inaudible) >> also appearing publicly for the first time since a cnn investigation into his actions, mariana pargas, pargas was acting on -- at the day of the shooting. a cnn investigation revealed he had direct knowledge of the phone call, and even confirmed the details with the uvalde dispatcher. and still failed to organize help. >> all i can say is that, unless someone -- that's all i can tell you. (inaudible) -- so what you are saying is -- i understand that, you are saying -- i'm asking you what that is. >> park is resigned from the policed of part meant before

the city could fire him, but still the uvalde county commissioner, a post he was reelected to a november. after the meeting, angry parents waited outside. >> you are intellect it official. we have a right to ask you questions. do you think the job you did that day was adequate? >> excuse me. excuse me sir. >> is there anything you have to say? >> shut up. take care of his grandkids! we will force you out. one way or another you are being forced out. talking about my son. >> how is it possible that a law enforcement agency in this day in age, so many years after columbine, that wouldn't, they would not have an active should've policy? i don't understand. that didn't go through active shooter policies. >> so some of them did throw through churning, the sheriff did not go through the training but interestingly enough anderson, what we found is that it is not required. it is no t

something that is required, certainly legislators here are, community members, people really hope that changes come january. legislators get back into session. it is mandatory for school police officers and chiefs of schools but not for police officers in general. and you're right, how is it possible that after so many years post columbine, that the schools, some of these police

departments don't have this policy in place. many of the police departments do the training but it is a question of policy and what exactly is being taught to some of these officers in these departments. quite honestly anderson, in talking to someone tonight, this person really just feels that the sheriff's office, other officials there just never thought something like this would happen in their town. >> shimon stay with us, i want to bring in senior law enforcement -- andrew, you heard shimon's report, there was no to policy in the time of the shooting -- still has not completed active shooter training. just to the long -- perspective, what do you make of it? how important is it to have a policy in place? >> well anderson, for anyone enforcement agency in this country, of any size, to not have an active shooter law enforcement, active shooter response policy in place or

plan in place is just simply law enforcement malpractice. -- malpractice. there are so many resources at the federal level and at multiple state levels to provide that sort of guidance and training to law enforcement officers around the country, the result of massive legislative efforts, investigative assistance -- poured resources into it, the fbi has been out doing alert training, advanced law and forsman rapid response training for a decade now. if you go on to the doj -- website you can see massive resources available for any law enforcement executive to be able to access the -- to be able to actually line of training for folks. there is no, it is inexcusable. >> we've been talking about this for years after columbine, law enforcement can pleat lee changed, fbi did a major investigation and what enforcement policy was changed to go in immediately, whoever responds fast team up, go in, neutralize the shooter. that is, that is universally accepted. it is not as if things have

changed every single year in what the recommendation for law enforcement is. that has been in place now for quite some time. >> it has been in place for over a decade. the only thing that changes from year to year is the number of mass shootings we have, and that number keeps going up dramatically. the fbi publishes as you know detailed research and reporting on that. and in fact, the texas legislature did pass a law requiring, as shimon indicated, a rapid response, an active shooter response training for not just school police officers but school resource officers any law enforcement officer who is assigned in providing services to a school. that could certainly include officers in county sheriff's departments or city police departments. and, the training

they provide, and i have it right here it is available online for anybody who wants to read it, it is a fascinating document, it perfectly tracks that state-of-the-art that we have just been talking about. that standardized response of priorities of what you are supposed to do when you show up at a scene, even if you are the only person. in fact that you have to put yourself at life's risk in order to try and stop that shooter from killing innocent civilians. all of that stuff is right there in the policy. >> shimon, when it comes to uvalde sheriff department training, is something changing? >> so, this policy is certainly now in place there is a policy, reports today, this is all because there is a report, the county hired someone that did this report. they did not focus on anything, any failures that day, instead they just said we are going to take a look at the

policy. but there are still so many questions as are really long investigation proved last week, about the actions of the sheriff, the community members want him out of office, he is elected so it will be difficult but also the actions by the deputies and what they exactly were doing. we don't have the answers to those questions because as you can see, officials keep refusing to answer any questions. the sheriff has refused to answer any questions, we have gone back to him today to find out if he has any response to this report. nothing. that is what keeps happening. so we don't know. there is no transparency. and quite frankly for the community members and for the kids who go to the schools in uvalde, the parents are afraid. they don't know. they don't know what is going on. and they don't know if these officers can handle another situation like what happened on may 24th anderson. >> we really appreciate the reporting, andrew mccabe as well. -- arriola who was in shimon's report moments ago, she is the grandmother of emory cope gorsuch who was ten years old when she was murdered. i

appreciate you joining us me -- we are talking under these circumstances. the fact that you don't have answers, so long after this horrific event is stunning to me that you are at the commissioners meeting today. i'm wondering your reaction when you learned the sheriff's department had no active shooter policy in place at the time the shooting. >> i was in total shock. i could not believe that with all the mass shootings that have taken place justin task cisa loaned that there was no policy in place. it was a total shock. >> the -- on the day of the shootings, mariana parkas was there today and it's the first time since you have seen him -- he knew about the phone call coming from inside the school as the shooting was unfolding and yet still didn't organize a team to go in and neutralize the shooter. to be there, to see him, what was that like? >> it was very hard. -- it was

very sad because he had -- to take control and instead he ran in the other direction. so seeing him for the first time is very hurtful. >> did he say anything to you, or any of the families there today? >> no he did not. we made eye contact slightly because i sat right in front of him, i wanted him to see my face, i wanted him to see emery's face i, had a picture of emory and of course my button, and i want to tim to see me and i wanted him to look at me but when we made eye contact he kind of just tried to smile but turned very quickly. >> how are you and your family doing with the holidays it is incredibly difficult. >> of course, it is very very difficult. my son and daughter in law can't keep it together it is going to be different

this year. and very sad >> is important for you to understand everything that >> of course, it is very very difficult. my son and daughter in law can't keep it together it is going to be different this year. and very sad >> is important for you to understand everything that happened that day? to finally get one day answers to exactly what, who made the mistakes, what wasn't done and figure out a way to make sure doesn't happen again? >> it is. and, we all understand, who pulled the trigger we, all understand that the after effect that we are concerned about because there were several individuals that could have been saved had they breached immediately and we all

know that now because we received the autopsy report. so we know that now but we want to know who had the power to do that. there was a lack of communication, radio communication but there was also a way to walk around and find out who had control that day. every leader had that opportunity where, whether they were in -- or whoever, whoever had the leaders where there had ever opportunity to walk around to see who is in control for the 77 minutes, 77 minutes too long. >> yeah. it stuns me that so many months later, that you and the other family members are still having to be advocates for your granddaughter, for

peoples daughters, for their sons, for their family members that law enforcement, that there is not already information given to the families. that is incomprehensible to me. that you are all there just desperate for answers and not getting it, really from any level of authority and i appreciate you talking to us tonight. i am so sorry we have to continue to cover it in this way because it seems so terribly unfair. but linda, i really appreciate talking to. you -- >> we are getting more

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a new controversy involving marjorie taylor greene. this weekend, she spoke before a group of republicans in new york and said this about those that she says blame her and steve bannon for helping to instigate the attack. >> the january six happens in the next thing you, know i organized the whole thing along with steve bannon here. and i'm going to tell you something, if steve bannon and i had organized that, we would have won. not to mention, it would have been on. >> congresswoman jerry -- was called violent rhetoric and a slap in the face long enforcement and families who had lost loved ones january 6th. right now the congresswoman zoloft when. a member of the house select committee investigating the insurrection. on sunday the committee reviewed recommendations for criminal referrals which could potentially include the former president. congresswoman, i appreciate

your time tonight. you heard the comments from the congresswoman there in a statement today saying that essentially she was being sarcastic. was getting. what is your response? >> i don't find it very funny to talk about the assault on the officers and the capitol. i don't see how that is a good joke. and what does she mean we would have one? overthrown the government, establishing means. i don't know i am rarely impressed by her rhetoric. this is no exception i am afraid. >> you mentioned the subpoena going from the special counsel jack smith to georgia secretary of state. some members of the january 6th committee have been critical of the speed of the doj investigation in the past. i'm wondering, what do you think of their progress since the point of the special counsel? >> well you know, it is hard for us to know what they are doing. they don't report to us, not to should. that is not their job. but it does appear that the pace is picking up. whether that was because of the special counsel or whether that

was already in the works, i don't know. but as we know, january six is coming up and will it, will have all been almost two years and so far it is just the the rioters themselves who have been prosecuted along with the -- four they're plotting. but the higher ups have not been called to account and i think that is important. i think people tell me all the time that it is not just the followers who should be held accountable but those who devise this account. i think that is public opinion. >> the subcommittee tasked with investigating the criminal referrals, they present -- i know you can't tell us what was decided, can you tell us about the personal thought process when it comes to criminal referrals and when they should be replayed? >> well, criminal referrals don't have legal stature, essentially it is just a letter or a report given to the

department of justice, usually that is done what it is something that doj might not know about, in this case i am pretty confident that they have a lot of the evidence that we have, and whatever they don't have now they soon will have. so there is that. but i also think having gone through, just speaking for myself, it would have been a good idea to wrap it up in a way that makes sense in terms of the behavior the evidence, that we have in comparison to the past with what the obligations are legally. so i am very open to

that and we will have this done in a week so i am not going to be making any announcements -- >> i do appreciate your time. thank you. >> you bet. >> now remarkable video for over the weekend, in a battle the los angeles city council member who -- nick watt has the story. kevin delay own is wearing the santa hat, a wounded wine of l.a. politics, green jacket, that is jason reedy. community activist. the santa hat falls, this was a holiday party. okay, there is back story here. in october, some year old audio leaks. city council president knew worry martinez talking about a fellow council member and his kid. >> there is nothing you can do control him -- >> translation, little monkey. >> she apologized and later resigned, on that tape she also said councilman mike bollin uses his son like a sick accessory. the leona pure to agree. he made a joke. we (inaudible) julian has been laying very low, cleaning hard to power, expressing regrets

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against councilman del rio. this was kevin delay owns first foray into public life since that controversy erupted with that racist audio recording the king. he went to a council meeting for a day afternoon, another councilman mike braun in left he said in protest, later called de leon a quote bile racist. delay own then run on to that tree lighting ceremony where he got involved in a wrestling match with a local activist. not a great day for his first day back. in public. life >> appreciate it. thanks. >> coming up new -- held in russia, poland for captivity. i will talk about it with the american special envoy -- on the tarmac in the video, you see right there when britney griner was freed last week. rom lexus. ♪

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tonight, new developments on efforts to secure paul whelan who are men's detained in russia. the white house confirmed that -- whelan's family, white house also laid out the next steps in their efforts to negotiate with russia. -- kylie atwood. so what do we know about this virtual kneeling with whelan sister? >> what she said is that she fell encouraged by the energy of the biden administration officials after this meeting. it was about 45 minutes, it was with working level officials with the state department, national security council, state department spokesperson's says it was to discuss the next step in the strategy to bring home her brother paul whelan. we heard this afternoon from national security adviser jake

sullivan, he described it as a subset of conversation and said that elizabeth whelan was able to give some ideas, ask some questions. i also want to note that we learned today that britney griner in texas played basketball for the first time in about ten months over the weekend, first thing that she did was go up and actually go up to the hoop and put it right in. and her agent said to abby philip, our colleague that you want to use her power now for good and to influence others. rest assured she will try and use that voice to get paul whelan home. >> -- they reiterated that they are determined to get whelan released. what are the next steps? >> yeah, so the national security advisor also said that there is going to be a meeting, an engagement between u.s. and russian officials in the coming days. listen to what he said. >> with respect to the question of whether we have had engagement with the russian federation on the wheel in case,

we will have an engagement with them this week. i won't say more about it because we are trying to keep that in sensitive channels, but that is the timetable. we have had regular engagement of course along the way. >> if u.s. officials are going to put a firm offer on the table, in that meeting later this week with russian officials or if they are going to start floating ideas to get paul whelan out, but we did hear from the special envoy -- roger carson who said that the united states still has cards to play. we are just watching to see which car they put forward and which car the russians agreed to. >> appreciate. it more perspective now from prostate presidential envoy -- roger karsten. roger a pre-show you being with us. when i ask you now about this amazing moment on the tarmac that you took part in when the actual exchange took place. this is something that we have seen in cold worse by movies, and john locke hurray novels, what was it like in that moment? >> anderson, thanks for having me here tonight. it was, i want to say surreal. we have actually done this a few times in the last few months though. every time it is unique, every time it is special. we work hard to bring these boot s

about. the most important part of i guess the moment is jumping on to the plane of the other country and in this case the russians, going up to britney, telling her that i am here to take her home on behalf of the president of the united states and secretary of state. and then bring her off the plane and put her own arms. >> can i ask, is anything said between griner and boot? was there any recognition? it is just such a weird passing moment. >> it is. i wasn't able to really i guess, get a picture of that. i was kind of out of position. i think there were crossing each other and i was on the other side of them so i don't record what they said. if they said. anything

>> obviously you are aware there has been a -- exchanging an american who was haired for possession of a small amount of cannabis oil for viktor bout, an international weapons trafficker. what is your perspective? >> i understand and here with the other side is saying, but where i come out on this is that what is unacceptable to me and unacceptable to this government is that when an american citizen is being held wrongfully in a foreign jail, undergoing very harsh conditions not, being treated well, the bottom line, there is a sense of injustice. our country is committed, and that is enshrined in law, to pursue these cases and to bring these americans who are held wrongfully home. >> doesn't make it harder now on paul whelan, i mean obviously in an ideal world all of this would be in secret, but the fact that now russia is aware that there is a pressure

on the biden administration to get whelan out, that has got to impact any negotiation. >> i don't want to get into too much detail but i can say that we have a good team, i think we are very experienced at this now you probably know we have gotten over a dozen people home in the last few months. no. matter what is happening in the external environment, or what is happening in the internal environment we will find a way to adapt and we will bring paul whelan home. >> cnn has reported that to get wheel in the russians have focused on -- who is currently in prison in germany for the murder of a georgian citizen in berlin in a targeted assassination. i won't ask you to comment on specifics obviously but, is it even possible for the u.s. government to secure the release of somebody else held in a third country? >> i would imagine that weather is a will there is a way. but as you just said, right now that is not our own agenda, it is not on our to do list. we are going to keep on pushing forward, justice rip reporting by kiley today, elizabeth whelan was included, we spent about 45 minutes brainstorming on different -- listening to elizabeth and i want to take a pause and say elizabeth is a great partner. in fact we are trying to partner with all the families. we don't have a monopoly in all the good ideas of government in fact i would say that we operate are best -- sharing ideas, sharing information and in time some of the ideas that the family give us actually turn out to i guess, we -- we wins the release. -- so, there is a way forward, we have an open dialogue, we are planning out next steps and we

have a great team involved. and maybe most important, we are partnered with the family. i >> find your job fascinating. so again i am not asking for specifics about russia, but when you are dealing with the government, do you find the other side moves the goalpost? again not any specific government, but what are the most complex parts about this, it seems so fraught. >> that has happened. in fact it is really not unusual. it could probably happen in any negotiation about anything. in this case we have cases where the other side meets the goalposts, i think the most important thing is to sit down with the other side, trying to salvage a relationship and really just asked the question, what is it going to take to get this done? and there is always going to be a gulf between what we can give and can given what they want, part of my job is to know that gap and tried to give

us close enough together so we can finally get an agreement. >> again, i do think it is fascinating what you do. i appreciate it. roger kirsten's, thanks so much. >> anderson thanks for having me. >> coming up, it has been trolled a trip full dominic -- causing medicine shortages, putting strains on hospitals again. we will talk to dr. sanjay gupta to see what you can do to stay healthy this winter. this holiday season, mass general brigham -- when you need some of the brightest minds in medicine. this is a leading healthcare system with five nationally ranked hospitals, including two world-renowned academic medical centers. in boston, where biotech innovates daily and our doctors teach at harvard medical school and the physicians doing the world-changing research are the ones providing care.

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full week of data since thanksgiving. the cbc estimates there has been at least 13 million flu cases the season, 120 million hospitalizations and 73 million deaths. another respiratory virus called rsv has been hitting the country hard but cases thankfully have been appearing to be peaking, -- slow the last couple weeks. the impact of all of this triple threat, we return to doctor sanjay gupta. sanjay, can you put the rise of covid, flu and rsv in the u.s. in perspective? >> sure. anderson, one of the things i think we always look at is the hospitalizations. because i think they are the truest number. you may not always know how many cases there are out there, the hospitalizations are pretty good indicator. what is interesting is that if you look at since the beginning of the

pandemic, hospitalization rates now are as high or even higher than they have been at any point over the last two and a half years. which is kind of remarkable. you remember all of the conversations about flattening the curve, that was to avoid the situation we have now where hospitals are really overwhelmed. the closest to this was probably january of this year when omicron was really hitting and covid was really driving that at that point. we know that. now, covid cases are about 6% of those hospitalizations. that is a little bit of context. are you mentioned, can be quite severe especially for young children, but it does seem to have peaked. numbers are coming down, keeping a close eye on this though. what we are seeing now in the country is really predominantly flu. you know, you have tens of thousands of

people who are getting hospitalized with flu every day. and, that is what is driving most of the hospitals, particularly children's hospitals, to that level of being really full. two things i just want to quickly point out. part of the reason the numbers are high with flu i think and rsv earlier, was because of something that is known as hidden immunity gap. we didn't have as much exposure to flu and rsv over the last couple of years, because of all the covid precautions, but the second thing is that, the numbers i want to show you quickly on the screen. vaccination rates overall. we talk a lot about covid and try to figure out where people are right now, up today when it comes to being up to date -- 14% of the country's up to date on their covid vaccines. take a look at the flu anderson. we talked about this even before the fend damac. less than half the country is vaccinated between the ages of six months in seven years and a quarter of the country 18 and older. even before the pandemic, there is only about half the country that will get a flu shot every year. and you are seeing part of the problem. >> do you think people should be wearing masks again, especially as they gather for, they are traveling through airports and for the holidays? >> i do. i do think so. and i do wear a mask if i am going to be in crowded indoor settings now. honestly sometimes i get a lot of funny looks for it. i think if you're going to wear a mask, first of all i think it is clear that you should wear an n95 or a kn95 mask. these are the types of masks that will be the best protection against this very transmissible, these very transmissible respiratory viruses. but you know it is interesting anderson, part of the reason why we have this immunity gap i was talking

about is because these precautionary measures were working to not let people get sick from things like flu even. so again, covid, one thing we can look at the map of covid i, think you said 14% of the country lives in an area where there is high community transmission. by the way that does include new york city. so by their recommendation, people should be wearing masks indoors in crowded settings in new york city. but flu is not something we talk about as much. but masks can be helpful there. we saw evidence of that over the last couple of years. this is what the map looks like by the way with covid. -- so i think masks, again i get a lot of phony looks but they can do the job. i don't know if we showed that by 82% effectiveness towards testing positive for covid if you are wearing one of these masks. that is a pretty good deal especially going into the winter months.

>> sanjay appreciate it. thank you. south carolina attorney alex murdaugh will stand trial for the first time -- motive in the case, that has captured national attention. details next. it's a case that has gone national attention -- lawyer alex murdaugh's wife and son were murdered in june 2021, more than a year later murdaugh was charged with his killings. theraflu hot beats cold. ♪ energy demands are rising. and the effects are being felt everywhere. that's why at chevron, we're increasing production in the permian basin by 15%. and we're projected to reach 1 million barrels of oil per day by 2025. all while staying on track to reduce our carbon emissions intensity in the area. because it's only human to tackle the challenges of today to help ensure a brighter tomorrow.

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lawyer alex murdaugh's wife and son were murdered in june 2021, more than a year later murdaugh was charged with his killings. now for the first time prosecutors are sharing a possible motive in the case, randi kaye has been following this story and has the latest. (inaudible) >> alex murdaugh says he called 9-1-1 after finding his wife and son bleeding at their hunting property and island in south carolina. >> are they bleed thing? >> no ma'am. >> what is your name? >> my name is alex murdaugh. >> that was june 7th 2021. 52-year-old maggie murdaugh was shot and killed with a rifle and their son, 22 year old paul murdaugh, was killed with a shotgun. alex murdaugh has

denied harming them but prosecutors now say he had a motive for allegedly killing them. to hide his alleged financial crimes and shift the attention away from his finances. prosecutors claim alex murdaugh defrauded clients, coworkers and family members of nearly $9 million. >> the day of reckoning was upon him. and he was out of cards to play. >> that alleged motive dates back to a february 2019 boat crash, during which paul murdaugh was allegedly driving drunk. 19 year old mallory beach was killed in that crash. and because alex murdaugh owned the boat, her family filed a civil suit against him. on june 10th 2021, a hearing in that case was scheduled at which alex murdaugh was likely going to be told to reveal his financial records. >> the plaintiffs -- specific personal recovery from alex murdaugh, they believed like

everyone, that he had a lot of money. >> but that hearing never happened. maggie and paul murdaugh were killed just a few days before it was supposed to take place. so it was canceled. in recent court filing, prosecutors allege that if the release of murdaugh's financial records were granted that hearing, it would've led to his misdeeds becoming exposed and would've resulted in personal, legal and financial ruin for murdaugh. >> he is still trying to prevent who we really is from coming out. what he does do is kill his wife and son, who were liabilities in this case. and immediately, it stops everything. >> murdaugh's defense team pushed back on the alleged motive in court. -- (inaudible) still motive, you're not a source with knowledge of the investigation told me blood spatter was found on alex murdaugh's clothing. which could prove he was in close proximity to at least one of the victims when they were

shot. that same source also toward me, a video phoned on paul murdaugh's cell phone contains audio of alex murdaugh talking with his family at the scene around the time the slayings occurred. well before his call to 9-1-1. at 10:07 p.m.. prosecutors say maggie and paul were killed between 8:30 and 10:06 p.m. that night, and the audio impulse cell phone puts alex murdaugh at the scene at 8:44 p.m.. according to the state, murdaugh left the property at 906 p m to drive to his father's house, and upon returning, called 9-1-1 at 10:07 p.m.. and anderson, alex murdaugh's attorneys don't dispute the fact that it was his voice on the recording on paul murdaugh's phone. they don't dispute the fact that he was at the family home earlier in the night speaking with a wife and son, but they do note at least they say, that it was

a normal conversation, certainly nothing threatening, nothing out of your knee. but anderson this double murder case is just the beginning of what alex murdaugh is facing. as you know there have been mysterious deaths that have been in his orbit now for years. you have the case of gloria satterfield who was his former housekeeper who apparently fell down the steps at his home and now they are going to exhumed her body the. state wants to figure out exactly how he died and then you have the case of stephen smith back in 2015, he was 19 years old found dead in the middle of a road in south carolina. that case had gone cold anderson until investigators say they found something in the course of the investigation of his -- now they have reopened that case. and are looking into that. so as they are facing these other two murders that he is also now caught up in these mysterious deaths while those investigations are ongoing it is so incredible and so deeply disturbing, if the prosecutors are right, the fact that they would've killed his wife and child in order to hide

financial crimes on his part, which, his financial crimes are unbelievable. what he did so many people who were his clients. it is stunning. randi, appreciate the update. senator kyrsten sinema a announced her decision to lead the democratic party become, an independent. there is been talk about -- running against her in 2024. we talk to the congressman next. talk to the congressman next. talk to the congressman next. talk to the congressman next. i recommend nature made vitamins because i trust their quality. they were the first to be verified by usp... ...an independent organization that sets strict quality and purity standards. nature made. the number one pharmacist recommended vitamin and supplement brand. when moderate to severe ulcerative colitis persists... put it in check with rinvoq, a once-daily pill. when uc got unpredictable,... i got rapid symptom relief with rinvoq. check.

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