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spreading unsubstantiate claims that its machines and software switched millions of votes from donald trump to joe biden. they never showed any evidence, but that didn't stop pro-trump attorneys from making baseless claims or news networks from giving them air time. dominion filed eight lawsuits seeking more than $10 billion from networks and individuals. but dominion's ceo remained largely silent until now. we spoke with him recently about the lawsuits, the lies and the irreparable damage he says they caused to his company and his employees. >> people have been put into danger. their lives have been upended. and all because of lies. it was a very clear calculation. they knew they were lies and they're repeating them and endorsing them. >> it is important to you people admit what they said was wrong. >> it is important to me.

it is important to all the people whose families have been impacted by this. anderson, my kids are still not allowed to get any package from the front door until we verify that it's actually from a trusted sender. >> you're that concerned about somebody sending something to your house. >> it is not unfounded concern. >> people have done it? >> people have done this. people are warning they will continue to do this for. >> for john and his company, the trouble began five days after the election when fox business host maria bartiromo brought up dominion. >> i know that there were voting irregularities. tell me about that. >> that's to put it mildly. the computer glitches could not and should not have happened at all. that is where the fraud took place, where they were flipping votes in the computer system or adding votes that did not exist. >> sydney powell was never able to show fraud, but she was repeatedly invited back on fox

networks, as was the president's personal attorney rudy giuliani who also wove a false narrative about the election technology company now suing giuliani, fox news and others. >> the company was formed by three venezuelans who were very close to -- very close to the dictator chavez of venezuela. and it was formed in order to fix elections. that's the company that owns dominion. >> does smartmatic own dominion? >> we do have a relationship. we're competitors. >> were you associated with the late hugo chavez? >> absolutely not. >> have you stole elections in other countries? >> absolutely not. i can cut this short. we were founded in toronto, which is where my family was from and there is nothing to do with venezuela.

>> can you flip votes in the computer system? can you add votes that did not exist? >> absolutely not. >> president trump first mentioned dominion in a tweet november 12th and recorded this video a few weeks later. >> we have a company that's very suspect. its name is dominion. with the turn of a dial or the change of a chip, you can press a button for trump and the vote goes to biden. what kind of a system is this? we have to go to paper. maybe it takes longer. but the only secure system is paper. >> why not just have paper ballots? >> we do have paper ballots. what the machines do is count those paper ballots in a way that makes it very easy for people to verify after the fact for the means of audits and recounts. >> dominion makes two types of machines. one is called a ballot marker. it is a touch screen device that a voter can use to mark their choices and then print the

ballot. the second machine is a scanner that reads that paper ballot, counts the vote and immediately scores the ballot securely. >> a voter takes a paper ballot. they have made their marks however they make their marks depending on the jurisdiction. as they deposit it in the ballot box, it goes into a digital scanner. how do you hack a paper ballot? >> he showed us how it works. >> this is the scanner that sits on top a locked and sealed ballot box. it goes through a scanner. now we have an image of the ballot we just cast and we have the paper ballot that is used for recounts. >> he says he was watching the presidential recounts in florida in 2000 with those arguments over hanging chads that got him interested in improving how paper ballots were marked and counted. he was an engineer working at a startup in silicon valley and made it easier to recount paper

ballots and to help people with disabilities vote without assistance. >> our goal was to allow any voter to make their marks on a paper ballot in a very clear, unambiguous way regardless of physical ability. >> he is canadian and founded dominion in 2022. he remains the chief executive although it was acquired by an american investment group in 2018. dominion is based in denver. >> do you ever think to yourself, i got into this to help paraplegics and find people vote more easily and look at what's happened? >> i think about it all the time. >> they make most of the voting systems in america. their machines were in 28 states in 2020, red states and blue. >> on election day in a precinct, are your machines hooked up to the internet? >> no, not by any stretch. we go through a number of government certifications. the first one is at a federal

level. most standards mandate that election systems such as ours are designed to work in a closed system, air gapped, no internet. >> in all the major swing states of 2020, there are paper ballots backing up. >> not only are there paper ballots that make up the official record, those paper ballots have been hand counted and audited over a thousand times. on just the 2020 election. >> recounts and audits in the swing states of georgia, arizona, michigan, pennsylvania and nevada all confirm dominion's results. more than 60 lawsuits around the country challenging the election by trump and his supporters were ultimately withdrawn or failed. >> in georgia, there have been three recounts. two electronic ones and one hand recount. >> in front of cameras, bipartisan poll watchers and thousands of local residents across the state of georgia and once again to reaffirm the results. that should have put an end to all of it. but the lies persisted.

>> and so have incidents of harassment and threats against john and his employees. >> every single person at dominion is going to end up in an orange jump suit in handcuffs you [ bleep ] hobarts. you cheating cheep cheep tags. >> good afternoon, scum bags. we're going to blow your [ bleep ] building up, you piece of [ bleep ]. >> i don't wish to sit here and say this is something that happened 18 months ago. this is something that continues to happen every single day for us. last friday we had an office on lockdown. two days prior to that, i was on a phone call with one of our employees who is a mother of two, very upset and crying. it's hard to talk about. >> had something been said to her personally? >> a very disgusting death threat in detail. >> received -- >> on her personal cell phone.

>> it's completely and utterly surreal. none of these lies have been substantiated to any extent. every one of them has been debunked. >> chris was in charge of the cyber security charged with protecting the 2020 election. he called it the most secure election in american history and days later was fired by president trump. he now has a cyber consulting firm and is a contributor for cps news. we showed him a press conference two days after his firing where rudy giuliani, sydney powell and others continue their attack on the machines. >> it can set and run an algorithm that probably ran all over the country to take a certain percentage of votes from president trump and flip them to president biden. >> do you remember watching that? >> yeah. i tweeted about it immediately afterwards. i said that was the most insane and dangerous 45 minutes of tv

in, you know, american history effectively. >> how secure was the 2020 election? >> let me put it this way. it was the most litigated. it was the most scrutinized. it was the most audited. this election was put through the ringer from so many different directions. and what i tend to say is don't listen to me. listen to bill barr. bill barr said it. he was then the attorney general of the united states. >> this is what bill barr later said to the january 6th committee. >> these claims on the dominion voting machines, and they were idiotic claims, i saw absolutely zero basis for the allegations, but they were made in such a sensational way that they obviously were influencing a lot of people. >> dominion began alefrtalertin news of the false allegations, four days after sydney powell first discussed dominion. but dominion says fox news never retracted their reporting. >> you gave them a lot of

chances to correct their statements? >> they still haven't corrected them. to me, that's the most powerful part of the complaint. >> lee levine is a first amendment attorney who litigated cases for 40 years on behalf of most media companies, including cbs and fox. he's retired now, but his old firm is currently representing cnn and me in a separate matter filed by attorneys who also represent dominion in its cases against fox news and others. >> take the fox case, for example. november 12th seems to me to be the key date in that case because that's the day that dominion started on a regular basis sending information sheets to every producer on every show at fox that was having sydney powell and rudy giuliani on saying here are the true facts. here are links supporting our assertions that these are the true facts. and then these people continued

to invite giuliani and powell on their shows. >> defamation cases are hard to prove, aren't they? >> yes, they are. the plaintiff has to prove what the law calls actual malice. you need to show basically that the defendant published or broadcast a deliberate lie, a calculated falsehood. >> they knew it was a lie when they broadcast it. >> they knew it was a lie or they knew it was probably a lie. >> how strong is dominion's case against fox and the others? >> i think it is much stronger than most defamation cases that i had seen. i might say it is the strongest. >> how many defamation cases have you seen? >> i have litigated myself hundreds. and i'm certainly aware of every significant defamation case in the last 40 years. >> and this is the strongest one? >> in my judgment. >> in a statement to "60 minutes," fox says it's confident it will prevail citing freedom of the press protections

and stating it was reporting on a newsworthy allegation made by the then president in aired segments fact checking the segments against dominion. dominion is suing fox news and its parent corporation for $1.6 billion each. in a statement, fox says the financial demand is unsupported. efforts by other defendants to have the lawsuits dismissed have been rejected by the courts. >> do you think that you can show not only that they lied but they knew that they were lying? >> yeah. i don't even think -- i think that's the easiest part. you, as a company, told them specifically, repeatedly. >> we told them. we told them in realtime. others told them. government officials told them. partisan government officials told them. people inside the trump administration told them. local election officials on both sides of the aisle told them. this is not a matter of not knowing the truth. they knew the truth. >> that was a report i filed for

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twitter has announced its dis disbanded its trust and safety council formed to deal with hate speech, terrorism, child exploitation. it is the latest shakeup of twitter since purchased by elon musk. the new policies and recent release of the documents are needed to provide better transparency about how the company operates, particularly after content policies in the 2020 election. critics are saying musk and his allies are misrepresenting the work of twitter's former management when it comes to policing contact on the social

media network. a lot to take in and understand which is why we asked sullivan to make sense of it. here's his report. >> i got sick of twitter. >> got censored too much. she was in twitter jail every other day. >> reporter: republicans long believed social media companies like twitter are biassed against them. >> shadow ban, 100%. look at what's going on. >> reporter: enter the twitter files. journalists have been given access to twitter's internal systems and communications. matt is one of them. >> they have a whole universe of stuff that they can do to any single account. they can dial it all the way down to you cannot be searched all the way up to your account will not trend. only people who follow you can see you. even people who follow you won't see you unless they search. >> reporter: so far select images like these purport to show how some prominent

conservatives were added to do not ampliamplify. but few specifics were included in the files. >> we were averaging 115,000 retweets a day when we were at our peak. all of a sudden, we stopped off a cliff almost immediately. our engagement, our retweets disappeared. >> reporter: tweeter acknowledged it deamplified accounts it views as harmful, but it does not tell the users the accounts are being limited. musk wants to change that. >> musk talked about informing people of removal and reduction, and that is a good thing. but it is not clear how he's actually going to have the engineering and the resources to do it. >> reporter: he says transparency is a good thing. there is some cases where it is better to not inform a user their account is being limited, such as the case of serial harassers. >> we look at the kinds of accounts that twitter has deamplified or banned over the

last two or three years. it tends to be accounts that will post things that are both novel and outrageous and detrimental in some way to notice, whether it's through hate, harassment or incitement. >> reporter: what is deamplification. sometimes when you open your twitter feed, you're not seeing the latest tweet. you're seeing the algorithm recommending accounts and things you might be interested in. now let's imagine twitter is sometimes square. people here can say whatever they want to whoever they want. but sometimes the algorithm might pick up the more interesting comments and tweets and highlight them on the billboards. if you are blacklisted you will never get your comments or tweets up on these billboards. that's what some people understand to be shadow banning. >> shadow banning has a lot of negative connotations. it brings up this image of a shadowy cabal of decision makers who determine what people can see and what people can't see.

but i think it's really not a productive word to use when we're actually trying to talk about some of the nuances of content policy. >> reporter: while many groups raised concerns about deamplifications, some people think republicans were long targeted. that is something twitter denied. >> twitter undertook no behavior to selectively censor conservative republicans or conservative voices on your platform. that is correct? >> correct. >> republicans are not convinced, particularly after twitter initially suppressed the 2020 new york post hunter biden story believing it could have been russian disinformation. that is something jack dorsey says a mistake. so too was the former head of trust and safety. >> it is widely reported that i personally directed the suppression of the hunter biden laptop story. it is absolutely unequivocally untrue. >> reporter: but he was involved

in internal conversations about it. how staff at twitter discussed and debated how to handle the biden story. >> we didn't know what to believe. we didn't know what was true. there was smoke. and ultimately for me, it didn't reach a place where i was comfortable removing this content from twitter. >> so it was a mistake? >> in my opinion yes. >> reporter: musk himself twitting freedom of speech but not freedom of reach. hate speech will be max deboosted. >> these tools which have been around for some time have been politicized and as musk is trying to suggest that the old twitter is going to be different from the new twitter, we want to be careful to remind ourselves that all technology is politicked by other means. >> i mean, is it clearer that

republicans were targeted? >> yeah. i mean, well, that is certainly what is being presented here through the twitter files. people i think might argue that it is just a selection and what is being presented is selective. people that worked at twitter at the time will say the reason we had to take action or the reason we thought we had to take action against people that thought they were republicans is they were often people sharing misinformation, disinformation or hate. all that being said, there are revelations in this that are being presented as brand-new, which we actually knew about for the past few years. that being said, you know, we have seen some people say this is all a nothing burger. i don't think that's the case here. i mean, you know, go back to 2021, january 2021 when twitter did kick off the then president of the united states. it wasn't just, you know, republicans here in the u.s. who had an issue with that, about the potential power of big tech.

we heard european leaders spoke first angela merkel at the time, no big fan of trump's expressing some concern about that. there is a discussion to be had here, and we are going to see more revelations. whether or not we will be able to get access to the files ourselves, it's unlikely under musk's leadership. >> thank you. a pop in america's inflation balloon. president biden today touting news that inflation is easing as proof his economic plans are moving. harry will add up what this all means for all of us next.

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the good news, u.s. inflation cooled considerably last month. new numbers put out by the government today. the bad news it is still high at 7.1 annual pace but below the rate in september and lower than

economists predicted. president biden taking a partial victory lap this morning. >> prices are still too high. we have a lot more work to do. but things are getting better, headed in the right direction. what is clear is my economic plan is working and we're just getting started. i have never been more optimistic about america's future and today's news gives me another reason to be optimistic about that future. >> well, take the optimism and put it to the test with our senior data reporter. so is inflation getting better? >> it is compared to where we were during the summer where it was 9%. now it is about 7%. i should point out that the historical average is only about 4%, so we're still in much worse position than we are historically, but we're better than the worst. >> there is one area where inflation is really bad. >> rent. rent, rent, rent. i know this from personal experience, right? my rent is up 28% year over

year. we have seen the largest increase in rent in 40 years. so people are paying much more for their housing if they're renting their apartments just like myself. >> what else are you looking at? where have prices gotten better? >> anderson, once upon a time i said do you want to go on a cruise with me. how about we go on a car ride together. let's look at energy prices and gas prices in particular. how much does it cost to do a round-trip looking at gas prices from here to washington, d.c. during the summer it costs $90 round-trip. now it is down to about $60. so energy prices are one area which inflation has dropped and americans are seeing that when they fill up their gas tanks. >> what about food? >> okay. i don't know if you know this about me but i love chicken. i love popeyes. i love the chicken sandwich. look at the price of skinless breasts, okay? what do we see. boneless as well. we see the price has dropped 75% on skinless boneless chicken

braess since the middle of the summer. it is now under $1 a pound. it was closer to $3.50 a pound in the summer. now americans are eating chicken much more than they used to. >> what does this mean for the chance for recession? >> okay. oftentimes you will ask me and i will say, okay, i have the answer. i have no idea on a recession. literally no clue why. look at all these different forecasts. they all vary significantly. some forecasters put the chance of recession below 50%. some put it above. the truth of it is i give a shrug emoji to the camera. i'm not sure. >> you're giving a shrug emoji to the camera? >> sure, why not? >> is there an index on your wallet? >> there is. >> can i just show this? >> sure. >> who carries a wallet like this. >> i have the credit cards. but this particular point if you want, we can count them together. 5, 10, 15, 20, 25.

>> you have things from when you were in high school. >> let's see if we can find an id. >> here is my college id right here, folks, right here. >> why? >> because some day i want to go back and learn something. if this tv career doesn't work out, maybe i have to go back to school. then maybe i will be able to predict whether or not we have a recession. >> talking about the numbers could mean about president biden's future. what did president biden's speech to you today say about what he wants americans to think about this issue. >> it makes me nervous he will lose that wallet with everything in there. >> i know. believe me. >> but on the important issues of americans' wallets, not just harry's wallet, that's really his message. as harry just went through with the numbers, he has reason to crow because the inflation

numbers, the areas that have brought so much economic pain to americans are beginning to get better. now, you know, he was making the argument before the election that this was going to happen and, you know, the election didn't go the way the democrats or republicans necessarily thought. but it wasn't because of inflation. there were other economic issues. there were other driving issues that led to the democrats doing better than expected. >> i mean, is it -- is it possible to say that inflation is the most important issue for the 2024 presidential election? if it stays high, how likely is it that biden can get re-elected? >> it's really hard to say right now. i mean, i was thinking about this, anderson. if you and i at this point in the last presidential cycle were to make a prediction, we didn't -- there was no such thing as covid. there was no such thing as so much that we had to face. you know, covid i think probably

is the biggest. but here's what we do know, anderson. what we do know if we just kind of examine the last election and i was kind of eluding to this before, and that is if donald trump is the nominee, voters are going to think much more about that and about the election denialism and about the threat to democracy that they clearly believe that he brings based on the way that they voted against so many of the candidates he supported for those who supported his lies and his conspiracies that that could dominate even if there is an economic issue, even if it gets to the point where there is a recession. and that is the political gamble that someone like joe biden is making when he says he does, at this point, want to run again because he thinks that he's the best candidate against donald trump. we don't know if donald trump

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chiena is opening up again after long-time covid lockdowns. this is what protesters fought for. many are still living in ways like they were before, guaranteed at home staying put as cases climb gen. sylvia has more from beijing. >> reporter: china is starting to unravel its zero covid policy. instead of crowds out celebrating, this is how reopening is going in china, closed shops, empty streets, people avoiding each other because covid is spreading like wild fire in beijing. people now either have covid or they're scared to get it. so i just spoke to the shop worker in this store. he told me he's the only employee without covid which is

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>> you know, you can see there are not that many customers. people just got embarrassed. >> reporter: are you scared about getting covid? >> i'm worried about my parents and my grandparents a little bit. >> reporter: people are relieved, though, that you no longer have to go to a quarantine facility if you get covid. getting sent to one of those run down facilities was such a big source of anxiety before. and these health qr codes used for years to track and dig kate where we can go, well, the government is saying you don't need them to intromost public spaces. so i don't need to scan my code. it feels surreal, though, that i can literally just walk in. she said i can only do online deliveries, so we can't sit outside and order inside. outside this starbucks you have to show a 40-hour covid test. even though the national rules

don't require it, in beijing you need a recent test to enter restaurants and entertainment venues. there are way less places to get covid tests in the city and the lines are short because most people are staying at home. just a week before at the exact same location, which was packed with people waiting in line. so behind me is a graveyard of covid testing booths. it is almost like overnight in beijing they removed all of these testing locations and here's the remnants. after years of harsh lockdowns, the government is letting people manage their own health but people don't feel ready. and the country hasn't vaccinated enough of the elderly population and hasn't improved health care enough. this reopening will be messy and uneven. >> does the government have any plans in place to increase vaccination rates? >> yeah, anderson. i mean, that is a key priority. but health experts are saying it

is coming too late, especially for the elderly population where they are way beyond. 40% of those over 80 received a booster shot after december 1st. that third dose is necessary to get enough protection since china is using less effective vaccines compared to the mrna vaccines over the few years. even if there is a tiny proportion of cases of the elderly or undervaccinated, when you have a population of 1.4 billion people, that could overwhelm china's health care system. so for some context here, china has less than four critical care beds per 100,000 people. in comparison, the u.s. has had least 24 for the same number of people. but, anderson, this reopening has been so sudden and abrupt that some people are panicking, rushing to hospitals even if they only have mild symptoms. >> thank you. up next, a cnn exclusive interview with a former russian soldier who defected.

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russia turn the country into frontline. the foreign minister said it doesn't matter if your soldier, civilian, you are under attack. he also said that russia's ability to launch a large offensive may be restored as soon as the end of the month, excuse me, the end of next month. meanwhile, fred pleitgen has spoken with a russian soldier who defected from upgrade accused of committing war crimes in the kyiv region. and in his first tv interview, he talked about what he says he witnessed. i want to warn you some of the video you are about to see is disturbing. here's fred's exclusive report. >> after the russian army was forced to retreat around kyiv, the carnage came to light. [crying] >> bucha and many other kyiv suburbs littered with bodies. ukraine especially blames one russian unit for alleged crimes here, the 64 separate guards motor rifle gate from eastern siberia. now, a deserted from that unit is speaking to cnn. >> big lie for me, 24 february,

okay, come in. everyone goes to war. >> this man defected from the russian military and fled to europe were we met him in a secret location. he shows me his military booklet with a stamp signed by the commander of the 64th motor rifle brigade, -- , known in ukraine as the butcher of bucha. he says he and his comrades were giving shoot to kill orders, even though russia has denied any wrongdoing from its forces around kyiv. >> [interpreter] we had a court -- we had a direct manned to kill someone who divulged our positions. if someone had a phone, we are allowed to shoot. >> he says his unit was deployed to belarus shortly before his deployment, allegedly for training. they had no idea that they would advance into ukraine, and he says they were not prepared for war. >> [speaking non-english] [interpreter] everyone thought they could be like rambo. those said i would be shooting

ukrainians easily, piece of cake. when they went to the front line and they came back, they were like, we don't want no war. >> he says he too came under ukrainian artillery shelling, and showed us this video near the town of -- , west of kyiv. he tells me he refused to fight because he was opposed to the war and that is commanders called him a coward and reassigned him to menial labor tasks in the rear echelon. he says he did not witness the mass killings the unit is accused of, but did witness plenty of crimes against ukrainian civilians, including looting. >> they were not trying to hide it? they do this very openly? >> no one would hide it. everything that they see, whoa, i want this for looting. everything they did, they loot. and cars to. >> and even rape. >> [interpreter] i saw rapist running around being chased because they were committing rape. the guys who did write, i saw them run. then i learned they were rapist. they raped and murdered a

daughter. they were never jailed, just fired, just like that. >> cnn has reached out to the russian defense ministry for comment, but we have not received a reply. russia has consistently denied its forces were responsible for crimes against ukrainian civilians, and president vladimir putin issued a decree praising the 64th separate guards motor rifle brigade for, quote, heroism and bold actions. -- fled russia while on leave. he gets emotional when talking about his four-year-old daughter he left behind. >> he says he wants to testify before his commanders before an international court, to shed light on what happened in the war he never wanted to be a part of. >> fred pleitgen joins us now. fred, is he afraid that russian forces will come for him? >> yeah, he's very afraid that that might happen. and he's certainly living accordingly in europe. and you know, one of the reasons we saw there and therefore that he's not

communicating with his daughter right now, which he says heard some very much, is for safety reasons. he says, first of all, he doesn't want to communicate too much with his family because he's afraid the russians might find him that. but also of course, they could pressure his family back at home as well. and of course, he's seen also what's happened to some other russians who are in exile, people who are poisoned, some who were killed. so certainly, he's definitely extremely concerned and trying to play it as safe as possible, anderson. >> fred pleitgen, appreciate it. the news continues. cnn tonight with alisyn camerota and laura coates is next right after the break. we want to buy your car so go to carvana enter your license plate answer a few questions and our techno wizardry calculates your car's value and gives you a real offer in seconds when you're ready we'll come to you pay you on the spot and pick up your car that's it so ditch the old way of selling your car and say hello to the new way at carvana some people get it, and some people can get it bad.

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>> good evening everyone. i'm laura coates. >> and i'm alisyn camerota. this is cnn tonight. more than 5000 people celebrated on the white house lawn today when president biden signed the respect for marriage act, with new federal protections for same-sex in interracial couples. it was a lon