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voting systems, had read the election. they said dominion was backed by venezuela and that it's machines and software switch millions of votes from donald trump to joe biden. they never showed any evidence, but that didn't stop pro trump attorneys for making baseless claims, or conservative news networks from giving them plenty of air time. dominion has filed a lawsuit, seeking more than ten billion dollars in damages against fox news and other corporations and individuals. but the's ceo, john poulin, has remained largely silent till now. we spoke with him recently about the lawsuit, the lies, and irreparable damage he says they cause to his company and his employees. >> people have been put into danger. their families have been put into danger and their lives have been upended and all because of lies. it was a very clear calculation that they knew they were lies and they were repeating them and endorsing them. >> it is important to you, people admit what they said was wrong. >> it is important to me, it is important to all of the people

whose families have been impacted by this. anderson, my kids still are not allowed to get any package from the front door until we verify that it is actually from a trusted sender. >> you are that concerned about somebody sending something to your house? >> it is not unfounded concern. >> people have done it. >> people have done this, people are warning that they will continue to do this. for john polis and his company, the trouble began five days after the election, when fox business host maria bartiromo brought up dominion with attorney sydney powell. >> sydney we talked about the billion software. i know that there were voting irregularities. tell me about that. >> to put it mildly, the computer glitches could not and should not have happened at all. that is where the fraud took place, they were flipping votes in the computer system, adding votes that did not exist. >> sydney powell was never able to show fraud, but she was repeatedly invited back on fox networks, as was the

president's personal attorney rudy giuliani, who all also wove a false narrative about smartmatic, an election tech company which is now suing giuliani, fox news and others >> smartmatic is a company that was formed by three venezuelans who were very close to, very close to dictator chavez of venezuela. and it was formed in order to fix elections. that is the company that owns dominion >> does smartmatic own dominion? >> no. we do have a relationship. we are competitors. >> late hugo chavez? >> absolutely not. >> do use of venezuelan company software that has been used to -- >> absolutely not. anderson, i can cut all of this short. we were founded in toronto, which is where my family was from. and there is nothing to do with venezuela. >> can you flip votes in the computer system, can you add vote that did not exist? >> absolutely not.

>> president trump first mentioned dominion in a tweet november 12th, and recorded this video a few weeks later, which was posted on facebook. >> we have a company that is very suspect. its name is dominion. with the turn of a dial or the change of the chip you, you can press a button for trump and the vote goes to biden. what kind of a system is this? we have to go to paper. maybe it takes longer, but the only secure system is paper. >> why not just have paper ballots? >> we do a paper ballots. what the machines do is they count those paper ballots in a way that makes it very easy for people to verify after the fact, through the means of audits and recounts. >> dominion makes two types of machines. one is called a ballot marker. it is a touch screen device that a voter can use to mark their choices and then print the ballot. the second machine is a scanner

that reads that paper ballot, counts the votes and immediately stores the ballot securely. a voter takes a paper ballot, they have made their marks, however they make their marks, depending on the jurisdiction. as they deposit it into the ballot box, go through digital scanner and then drops into the ballot box. so, how do you hack a paper ballot? >> he showed us how it works. >> this is the scanner that sits atop a locked and sealed ballot box. this is how they cast their ballot. it goes through a scanner and now we have an image of the ballot we just cast. and we have a paper ballot that is used for recounts. >> he was watching the presidential recounts in florida, with those arguments over hanging chads that got him interested in improving how paper ballots were marked and counted. he was an engineer working at a start-up in silicon valley, and began looking at ways to make it easier to recount paper ballots and to help people with disabilities vote without assistance. our goal was to allow any voter

to make their marks on a paper ballot, in a very clear, unambiguous way, regardless of physical ability. >> john poolis is canadian, and founded dominion in 2002. he remains its chief executive though it was acquired by an american investment group in 2018. dominion is based in denver. >> do you ever think to yourself, i got into this to help paraplegics and blind people vote more easily, and look what has happened? >> i think about it all the time. >> dominion is one of the three companies that make most of the voting systems in america. in 2020 presidential elections, their machines were in 28 states. red states and blue. >> on election day, in a precinct, are your precincts hooked up to the internet? >> no. not by any stretch. we go through a number of certifications, government certifications, and the first one is at a federal level. so those standards mandate that election systems, such as ours,

are designed to work in a closed system. air gapped, no internet. >> in all the major swing states of 2020, there are paper ballots backing up -- >> not only are they're prevalence that make up the official record, those paper ballots have been counted and audited over 1000 times, on just the 2020 election. >> recounts and audits in the swing states of georgia, arizona, michigan and pennsylvania and nevada all comers from dominion's results. more than 60 lawsuits around the country challenging the election by trump or his supporters were ultimately withdrawn or failed. >> in georgia, there have been three recounts, two electronic ones and one hand recount. >> in front of cameras, bipartisan poll watchers and thousands of local residents across the state of georgia, and once again it reaffirmed the results. that should have put an end to all of it. but, the lies persisted. >> and so have incidents of harassment and threats against

john poolus and his employees. >> every single person in dominion is going to end up in an orange drug suit and -- you >> good afternoon, scumbag. we are going to blow your [bleep] building up. >> i don't wish to sit here and say that this is happened that happened 18 months ago, this is something that happens every single day for us. last friday, we had an office on lockdown. two days prior to that, i was on a phone call with one of our employees, who is a mother of two, very upset and crying. it is hard to talk about. >> had something been said to her personally? >> a very disgusting death threat in detail. >> received -- >> on her personal cell phone. >> it is completely and utterly

surreal. none of these lies even substantiate to any extent. every single one of them has been debunked. >> chris krebs was director of cybersecurity and infrastructure security agency, charge of protecting the 2020 election. he called it the most secure election in american history, and days later, was fired by president trump. he now has a cyber consulting firm, and is a contributor for cbs news. we showed him a press conference held two days after his firing at the headquarters of the republican national committee, with rudy giuliani, sydney powell, and others continued their attacks on dominion machines and software. >> you can set and run an algorithm that probably ran all over the country to take a certain percentage of votes from president trump and flip them to president biden. >> to remember watching that? >> yeah, i tweeted about it immediately after. i think i said something along the lines that that was the most insane, and dangerous, 45 minutes of tv in american history, effectively.

>> how sick here was the 2020 election? >> let me put it this way. it was the most litigated. it was the most scrutinized. it was the most audited. this election was put through the wringer from so many different directions. and what i tend to, like, say's don't listen to me. listen to bill barr. bill barr said it. because then the attorney general of united states -- >> this is what bill barr later said at the january 6th committee. >> these claims on the dominion voting machines, and they were idiotic claims, i saw absolutely zero basis for the allegations. but they were made in such a sensational way that they obviously were influencing a lot of people. >> dominion began alerting fox news and other networks that the false allegations they were broadcasting november 12th, four days after sydney powell first discuss dominion with maria bartiromo. but dominion says fox news never retracted their reporting. >> you gave him a lot of chances to correct their

statements. >> they still haven't crafted them. to me, that is the most powerful part of the imperative. >> leigh levine is a first amendment attorney. he is litigated cases for 40 years on behalf of most media companies, including cbs and fox. he's retired now, but his old firm is currently representing cnn and me in a separate manner, filed by attorneys who also represent dominion in its cases against fox news and others. >> take the fox case, for example. november 12th seems to me to be the key date in that case. because that's the day that dominion started on a regular basis sending information sheets to every producer on every show at fox that was having sydney powell and rudy giuliani on, saying here are the true facts, here are links supporting our assertions that these are the true facts. and then, these people continued to invite giuliani

and powell on their shows. >> defamation cases are hard to prove, aren't they? >> yes they are. the plaintiff has to prove the law cause is actual malice. you need to show basically that the defendant broadcaster published a deliberately, a calculated falsehood. >> they knew it was a lie when they broadcasted it? >> they knew it was, ally or they knew was probably a lie. >> how strong is dominion's case against fox and the others? >> i think it is much stronger than most defamation cases that i had seen. i might say that it is the strongest. >> how many defamation cases have you seen? >> i have litigated myself, hundreds. and i'm certainly aware of every significant defamation case in the last 40 years. >> and this is the strongest one? >> in my judgment. >> in a statement to 60 minutes, fox said it's confident they will prevail. setting freedom of the press protections and stating it was reporting on a news where the

allegation made by then then president, and an error segment shocking allegations against dominion. -- soon fox news and its parent corporation for 1.6 billion dollars each. and it is statement, fox said dominion's financial demand is unsupported. efforts by fox news and other defendants to have the lawsuits dismissed have been rejected by the courts. >> do you think that you can show, not only that they lied, but they knew that they were lying? >> yeah, i don't even think -- i think that's the easiest part. >> you, as a company, told them specifically, repeatedly -- >> we told them, we told him in realtime. other told them. government officials told them. partisan government officials told them. people inside the trump administration told them. local election officials on both sides of the aisle told them. this is not a matter of not knowing the truth. they knew the truth. >> that was a report i filed for cbs's 60 minutes. still to come, an in-depth look

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understand, which is why we asked donie o'sullivan, to make sense of it. here is his report. >> i have been suspended by twitter a few times. >> i got sick of twitter. >> we got censored. >> she was in jail every other day. twitter jail. >> republicans have long believed social media companies like twitter are biased against them. >> sadow ban. 100 percent. enter the twitter files -- elon musk have been given access to some of twitters internal systems and communications. matt taibbi is one of them. >> they have a whole universe of stuff that they can do to any single account, they can dial it all the way down to you cannot be searched, all the way up to your account will not trend. only people who follow you can see you. even people who follow you won't see unless they search. >> so far, select images like these in turn twitter's internal systems -- were added to lists like do not

amplify, and seemingly broke twitter's rules. but few specifics were included in the files. >> we were averaging 115,000 retweets a day when we were really at our peak. all the sudden we saw off a cliff, almost immediately our engagement, our retweets disappear. >> twitter has previously acknowledge that it de amplifies accounts that abuse as harmful but it doesn't tell their users -- musk wants to change that. >> musk has talked a lot about informing people of removal and reduction, and that is a good thing. but it is not clear how it is actually going to have the resources to do it. >> gabriel nicolas, who has studied the amplification, says transparency is a good thing, there are some cases where it is better not to inform the user their account is being limited. such as the case of serial harassers. >> we look at the kinds of accounts that twitter has

deamplified or banned over the last two or three years, it tends to be accounts that will post things that are both novel and outrageous and detrimental in some way to society, whether through hate, harassment, or incitement. >> so what is de amplification? well sometimes when you open your twitter feed you are not just seeing the latest tweets, what you are seeing is the algorithm recommending to you accounts and tweets of things you might be interested in. now let's imagine twitter is times square. people here can say whatever they want to whoever they want, but sometimes the algorithm might pick up the more interesting comments and tweets and highlight them on some of the billboards. but if you are blacklisted, you are never going to get your comments or tweets up on these billboards, and that is what some people understand to be shadow banning. >> shadow banning definitely have a lot of negative connotations. it brings up this image of a shadowy cabal of decision-makers who determine what people can see and what people can't see. but i think it is really not a

productive word to use when we are actually trying to talk about some of the nuances of content policy. >> while many groups have raised concerns over de-amplification, the central focus of the twitter files is that republicans were unfairly targeted. that is something twitter has long denied. >> twitter undertook no behavior to selectively censor conservative republicans or conservative voices on your platform, is that correct? >> correct. >> but republicans are not convinced. particularly after twitter suppressed the 2020 new york post hunter biden laptop story, believing it could be russian disinformation. that decision former twitter cero jack dorsey says was a mistake. so today joel ross, twitter's former head of trust and safety. >> it is widely reported that i personally directed the suppression of the hunter biden laptop story. it is absolutely unequivocally untrue. but >> he was involved in internal conversations about it,

the twitter file showed how staff at twitter discussed and debated how to handle that biden story. >> we didn't know what to believe, we didn't know what was true. there was smoke and ultimately for me, it didn't reach a place where i was comfortable removing this content from twitter. >> and so it was a mistake? >> in my opinion, yes. >> musk himself has endured similar de-amplification policies, tweeting new twitter policy is freedom of speech but not freedom of reach. negative hate tweets will be max de boosted. >> by and large, these tools which have been around for sometime, have been politicized, and as musk is trying to suggest that the old twitter is going to be different from the new twitter, we want to be careful to remind ourselves that all technology is politics by other means. >> and donie o'sullivan joins

us now. is it clear republicans were targeted? >> that is certainly what is being presented here through the twitter files, people i think might argue that it is just a selection and potentially what is being presented is selective. i think also people who have worked at twitter at the time would say that the reason we have to take action or we thought we had to take action is against people who happen to be republicans is they are people who are sharing misinformation, disinformation, or hate. all that being said, there are revelations in this that are being presented as brand new, which we actually knew about for the past few years. that being said, we have seen some people try to say that this is all a nothingburger, i don't think that is the case either. go back to 2021, january 2021 on twitter, twitter did kick off the then-president of the united states. it wasn't just republicans here in the u.s. who had an issue with that, about the potential

power of big tech, we heard european leaders, spokesperson for angela merkel at the time, no big fan of trump, expressing some concern about that. so i think there is a discussion to be had here. and we are going to see more revelations. whether or not we will be able to get access to the files ourselves, it is unlikely. under musk leadership. >> donie o'sullivan, appreciate. a pop in americas inflation bloom, president biden said today touting news that inflation is easing is proof of his economic plans are work. something will tell us what our in-house data puncher, harry enten. will add up what this means for all of us, next.

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so the good news, u.s. inflation cooled considerably last month, bad news it is

still high at 7. 1% annual pace but is below the 7.7% in october and lower that -- president biden taking a partial victory lap this morning. >> prices are still too high. we have a lot more work to do, but things are getting better. headed in the right direction. what is clear is my economic plan is working and we are just getting started. i have never been more optimistic about america's future. today's news gives me another reason to be optimistic about that future. >> well, we will take the optimism and put it to the test with our senior reporter harry enten. is inflation actually getting better? >> it is compared to where we were -- the peak when it was about 9%, now it is about 7%. but i should point out that the historical average year over year is only about 4%, so we are still in much worse positions than we are historically, but we are better than the worst. so hey. there is one area where inflation is really bad. rent rent rent. i know this from personal experience right. my rent is up 28% year over year. that is ridiculous right?

if you look nationwide, we have seen the largest increase in rent in 40 years. so people are playing much more for their housing if they are renting their apartments just like myself. >> what else are you looking at? where have prices gotten better? >> okay so anderson, once upon a time i said you want to go on a cruise with me. how about we go on a car ride together? let's look at energy prices. let's go look at gas prices in particular and say how much does it cost to do a round trip, just looking at gas prices from here to washington d. c.? during the summer costs about $90 to go round-trip based on the gas prices, now it is down to 60, about $60. so energy prices are one area in which inflation is really dropping and americans are seeing that when they fill up their gas tanks. >> what about food? >> what about food. okay what about food? i don't know if you know this about me but i love chicken. chicken is a big thing for me, i love popeyes, all of the popeyes chicken sandwich. look at the price of skinless breast okay. what do we see?

police as well. we see that the price has dropped 75%. i on skinless boneless chicken breast. since the middle of the summer, it is now under $1 a pound. it was closer to 3:50 a pound during the summer, and a lot of americans now are eating chicken much more than they used to compare to beef specifically. >> what does this mean for the recession the, chance of recession? >> oftentimes you will ask me questions and i will say okay i have the answer. i have no idea on a recession. literally no clue. why look at all these different forecasts, they all are very significant sleet, some forecasters put the chance of recession in the next 12 months below 50%, some put it above, the truth of the matter is, shrug emojis to the kangaroo. i am not really quite sure at this particular point. >> are giving a shrug emojis to the camera? >> sure why not. is there an index on your wallets? le pen there is an index on my wallet. île aux tourtes >> can i show you? >> sure. >> this is harry enten's wallet. look at this. who carries a wallet like this?

>> i have the credit cards, but at this point i should know if you want we can count them, five, ten -- >> you have things from high school, from when you are child here. >> we do have the things from high school here. hala let's see if i can find an i.d.. here's my college i.d. right here folks? >> why are you, -- >> someday want might want to learn something if this tv career doesn't work out for me maybe we'll have to go back to school if this tv career doesn't work out. they don't have to go back to school learn a little bit more. >> all right, harry enten, appreciate it. we will talk with the political implications of these remembers what it could mean for president biden. we'll be back with dana bash. who co-anchors state of the union, president biden's speech today what did it say to do about what he wants americans think that this issue? >> in a positive way. i'm sorry, it is hard to me to wrap my wrap my brain around that wallet. it makes me think that he's going to lose it with everything in their. >> absolutely. >> but on the important issues, of americans wallets not just harry enten's wallet, that is really his message and you know, as harry just went through with the numbers, he has reason to crow.

because the inflation numbers, the areas that have brought so much economic pain to americans are beginning to get better. now, you know, he was making the argument before the election that this was going to happen. and, you know, the election didn't go the way that the democrats or republicans necessarily thought. but it wasn't because of inflation that there were other economic issues, there were other driving issues. that led to the democrats doing better than expected. >> is it possible to say that inflation is the most important issue for the 2024 presidential election, i mean if it stays high, how likely is it that biden could get reelected? >> it is really hard to say right now. i mean, i was thinking about this anderson, if you and i at this point, in the last presidential cycle were to make a prediction, there was no such thing as covid. there was no such thing as so much that we had to face. you know, covid i think

probably is the biggest. but here is what we do know anderson. what we do know if we just kind of examine the last election and that i was kind of alluding to this before, and that is, if donald trump is the nominee, voters are going to think much more about that and about the election denialism and about the threat to democracy that they clearly believe that he brings based on the way that they voted against so many of the candidates he supported or those who supported his lies and his conspiracies. that that could dominate even if there is an economic issue, even if it gets to the point where there is a recession. and that is the political gamble that someone like joe biden is making when he says he

at this point does want to run again, because he thinks that he is the best candidate against donald trump. we don't know if donald trump is going to be the nominee though, we are far from that decision. >> yeah. kind appreciate it. thanks so much. coming up, china reopening again after years of lockdowns. many protests prompted the changes and people are slow to to venture out again, you will see why when we take you to beijing next. time for a nunormal with nucala. nucala is a once-monthly add-on treatment for severe eosinophilic asthma that can mean less oral steroids. not for sudden breathing problems. allergic reactions can occur. get help right away for swelling of face, mouth, tongue, or trouble breathing. infections that can cause shingles have occurred. don't stop steroids unless told by your doctor. tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection. may cause headache, injection site reactions, back pain, and fatigue. ask your asthma specialist about a nunormal with nucala. if you used shipgo this whole thing wouldn't be a thing. yeah, dad! i don't want to deal with this.

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china's opening up again,. this is what protesters fought for, but now that the country is easing its restrictions, many are still living in ways like they were before. quarantined at home, staying put as cases climb again. cnn's selina wang has more from beijing. >> china starting to unravel its zero covid policy, but instead of crowds out celebrating, this is how reopening is going in china. closed shops, empty streets, people avoiding each other. because for the first time since the start of the pandemic, covid is spreading like wildfire in beijing. people now either have covid or they are scared to get it.

so i just spoke to the shop worker in the store, he told me that he is the only employee without covid, which is why he can still come to work and he says he is the only customer that has come into the store all day. the only crowds i am seeing in beijing outside of hospitals like this and pharmacies. >> so he says his fever has gone down but he still is a cold, hoping to buy medicine but he is worried they don't have any stop because there are lines forming outside of pharmacies across the country, people are starting to stock up of people are selling out. four years china has been demonizing covid, playing up the risks of long covid now suddenly -- state media is publishing headlines every day saying covid is not a big deal. it is whiplash for a lot of people. because just weeks before if you got covid, your whole community would have gone into hard lockdown. this is such a major and sudden change china is finally opening up, how do you feel about it? >> i feel it is pretty great. i wish they could've opened up

earlier. >> how has business been, very slow or difficult? >> you know, you can see there are not that many customers, a lot of people just got the virus. >> are you scared about getting covid? >> i am worried about my parents and my grandparents a little bit. >> people are relieved though, that you no longer have to go to a quarantine facility if you get covid. getting sent to one of those rundown facilities was such a big source of anxiety before. and these health qr codes that have been used for years to track and dictate where we can go, while the government is now saying that you don't need them to enter most public places. [speaking non-english] >> so i don't need to scan my code, it feels surreal i can literally just walk in. so she said i can only do online delivery so you can even sit inside order inside at shake shack. outside the starbucks they've a

sign saying you need to show a 40 hour covid test, even though the national rules don't require in jay xin you still need a recent pcr test to enter restaurants, gyms and entertainment venues. there are way less places now to get covid tests in the city, and the lines are short because most people are just staying at home, but just a week before at this exact same location, this is packed with people waiting in line. so behind me is a graveyard of covid testing booths. it is almost overnight in beijing, they removed all these testing locations and, here are the remnants. after years of harsh lockdowns, the government is finally letting people manage their own health. but people don't feel ready and experts say the country isn't either. the country hasn't vaccinated enough of the elderly population and has an improved the health care capacity enough so this reopening, it is going to continue to be messy and and even. >> selina wang joins us now. selina does the government have any plans in place to increase vaccination rates?

>> yeah anderson, i mean that is a key priority. but health experts are saying it is coming too late, especially for the elderly population where they are way behind. only 40% of those over 80 have received the booster shot as of december 1st. and experts say that third dose is necessary to get enough protection, since china is using these less effective vaccines compared to the mrna vaccines used overseas. the fear is that even if there are just tiny proportions of severe cases among the elderly or under vaccinated, when you have a population of 1. 4 billion people that could so overwhelm china's health care system. so the other key priority is boosting icu wards which the government has pledged to do. so for some context here, china has less than four critical care beds per hundred thousand people. and in comparison the u.s. has at least 24 for the same number of people. but anderson this reopening it, has been so sudden abrupt that some people are panicking. rushing to hospitals even if they have only mild symptoms. >> selina wang, appreciate it. thank you. up next cnn exclusive interview

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warned the missile attacks from russia turn the country into frontline. the foreign minister said it doesn't matter if your soldier, civilian, you are under attack. he also said that russia's ability to launch a large offensive may be restored as soon as the end of the month, excuse me, the end of next month. meanwhile, fred pleitgen has spoken with a russian soldier who defected from upgrade accused of committing war crimes in the kyiv region. and in his first tv interview, he talked about what he says he witnessed. i want to warn you some of the video you are about to see is disturbing. here's fred's exclusive report. >> after the russian army was forced to retreat around kyiv, the carnage came to light. [crying] >> bucha and many other kyiv suburbs littered with bodies. ukraine especially blames one russian unit for alleged crimes here, the 64th separate guards motor rifle brigade from eastern siberia.

now a deserter from that unit is speaking to cnn. >> big lie for me, 24 february, okay, come in. everyone goes to war. >> nikita chibrin defected from the russian military and fled to europe were we met him in a secret location. he shows me his military booklet with a stamp signed by the commander of the 64th motor rightfully great colonel, known in ukraine as the butcher of bucha. he says he and his comrades were giving shoot to kill orders, even though russia has denied any wrongdoing from its forces around kyiv. >> [interpreter] we had a direct command to murder people. someone who divulged our positions. if someone had a phone, we are allowed to shoot. >> nikita chibrin says his unit was deployed to belarus shortly before his deployment, allegedly for training. they had no idea that they would advance into ukraine, and he says they were not prepared for war. >> [speaking non-english]

[interpreter] everyone thought they could be like rambo. those said i would be shooting ukrainians easily, piece of cake. when they went to the front line and they came back, they were like, we don't want no war. >> nikita chibrin says he too came under ukrainian artillery shelling, and showed us this video near the town of la pisgah, west of kyiv. he tells me he refused to fight because he was opposed to the war and that is commanders called him a coward and reassigned him to menial labor tasks in the rear echelon. he says he did not witness the mass killings the unit is accused of, but did witness plenty of crimes against ukrainian civilians, including looting. >> they were not trying to hide it? they do this very openly? >> no one would hide it. everything that they see, whoa, i want this for looting. everything they did, they loot. and cars as well >> and even rape. >> [interpreter]

i saw rapist running around being chased because they were committing rape. the guys who did rape, i saw them run then i learned they were rapist. they raped and murdered a daughter. they were never jailed, just fired, just like that. go! >> cnn has reached out to the russian defense ministry for comment, but we have not received a reply. russia has consistently denied its forces were responsible for crimes against ukrainian civilians, and president vladimir putin issued a decree praising the 64th separate guards motor rifle brigade for, quote, heroism and bold actions. nikita chibrin fled russia while on leave. he gets emotional when talking about his four-year-old daughter he left behind. >> he says he wants to testify against his commanders before and international court, to shed light on what happened in the war he never wanted to be a part of. >> fred pleitgen joins us now. fred, is he afraid that russian forces will come for him? >> yeah, he's very afraid that

that might happen. and he's certainly living accordingly in europe. and you know, one of the reasons we saw there and in the report that he's not communicating with his daughter right now, which he says heard some very much, is for safety reasons. he says, first of all, he doesn't want to communicate too much with his family because he's afraid the russians might find him that. but also of course, they could pressure his family back at home as well. and of course, he's seen also what's happened to some other russians who are in exile, people who are poisoned, some who were killed. so certainly, he's definitely extremely concerned and trying to play it as safe as possible, anderson. >> fred pleitgen, appreciate it. the news continues. cnn tonight with alisyn camerota and laura coates is next right after the break. g. look! what's up my trade dogs? you should be listening to me. you want to be rich like me? you want to trust me on this one. [inaudible] wow! yeah! it's time to take control of your investing education. cut through the noise with best-in-class education resources that match your preferred style of learning.

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this is cnn tonight. more than 5000 people celebrated on the wh f marriage act, with new federal protections for same-sex in interracial couples. it was a long road to get there, politically and personally. especially for one of our guests tonight. in a moment, we're going to speak to an lgbtq activist who was in that crowd today, but who had to fight his own aunt, a congresswoman from missouri, after she cried on the house floor begging her colleagues not to vote for this gay marriage protection. >> plus, we'll talk to a mother who is living a true nightmare. suddenly losing her 17-year-old son, an eagle scout, a soccer player, the star of his high school musical, to the fentanyl epidemic. it's happening to thousands of families across this country in the shocking thing is many people do not even know that they are taking fentanyl. they are not buying it in some dark alley. it's right there available on social media. >> the way that particular story happened, laura, is so heartbreaking.