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name is almost exactly bankman fraud. what's next don't get your check up from dr. guy deaf houser. . >> a lot of people lost dough, though, and that's serious. good morning, everybody, it's wednesday, december 14th, it's 7:00 a.m. on the nose. and you heard stephen colbert there talking about sam bankman-fried denied bail in the bahamas after his high profile arrest. we're going to tell you what some u.s. politicians are doing with the money he donated to them. also a bipartisan agreement on the framework of a one-year spending plan that sets the top two republicans in congress on a collision course. and a cnn exclusive report for you, the biden administration finalizing plans to ship patriot defense missiles to ukraine. this could alter the outcome of putin's war. and then this. >> my face caught on fire. i said, dave, i'm on fire.

dave my friend pulled me out and jumped on top of me. >> that's part of jay leno's first interviews since suffering the serious burns. we begin with democrats and republicans agreeing on a framework that for a budget that will fund the government for a full year. but it's the top two republicans in congress who do not agree with each other. mitch mcconnell is on board with the spending plan but so far it's a, this is a quote, hell no from house minority leader, kevin mccarthy. melanie is live for us this morning. good morning, you're the one who interviewed him. so is this i'm going to say it but need it to pass? >> reporter: yes. that is what republicans think mccarthy is doing, privately rooting for it to pass and publically vote no. the reason for that, he does not want to have to deal with the prospect of a government shutdown upon immediately becoming speaker if he becomes speaker. but at the same time he's

struggling to lockdown votes for the speakership and his conservatives and hard liners are pressing him to stand up to mitch mcconnell. that's why you see the dynamic playing out on capitol hill. sources tell us that mcconnell was blind-sided when kevin mccarthy when on fox news and took a swipe at mcconnell. and that mccarthy is taking these swipes in order to shore up support from his conservative base for the speakership. >> you're reporting how the two have collided on this and so much over the last two months was the first thing i read this morn gs. it's fascinating. the biden administration facing a challenge at the southern border this morning. it's sending more agents to el paso, texas as there's a surge with more migrants waiting their chance to enter the united states. this comes as title 42, set to expire a week from today, a trump era public health policy

allowed the u.s. to expel migrants, el paso officials sending this warning. >> title 42 going away with the numbers we're seeing today is a -- is a true emergency for the community. it's a federal crisis that's happening within the border of el paso. >> the homeland security secretary visited el paso on tuesday meeting with officials and the border protection workforce. there's a lot to explain here. with me now, maria santana. good morning to you. lots of questions. can you explain how title 42 works, what's the process and how things will change if it expires? >> title 42 is a public health policy issued under the trump administration, the cdc issued the order to try to prevent the spread of covid-19. it allowed officials to expel migrants back to mexico or their

home country without allowing asylum seekers to request asylum in the united states as our law states. so it suspended the asylum law under the health emergency order and what officials said it has been used 2.5 million times in the years that it has been in place. although that number is a little inflated some critics say because it encourages people to try to cross more times. so it includes the numbers, multiple crossings by the same individual. >> what does it look like on the ground? what are we seeing in el paso? >> from what a border official said, what we're seeing is that more than 2,400 migrants tried to cross every day this weekend. and that he called it a significant increase in illegal bo border crossings. this we have to point out has nothing to do with the lifting of title 42 because it's still in place. it's not supposed to end until

december 21st, per court order and dhs officials are saying this is a result of criminal smuggling organizations but of course local officials, state officials are pointing to the surge in order to pressure the administration about lifting title 42. >> the question is, where do these migrants want to go and where do they go after they get deported? >> sadly many of them stay in mexico. there's hundreds of migrants living on the border with the united states. they've been there for months, some for years, waiting for the opportunity to cross. they don't want to go back to their home countries. they're fleeing dangerous condition, poverty, the deterioration of the social and political systems in their country. they feel they're better off waiting in the mexican border in these tents, camps, and that has created a humanitarian crisis at the borders as well. if title 42 is lifted we have to go back to before, people come

in, get processed, determine whether they have an asylum claim and they can stay in the country or they're deported. >> the question is if we have the infrastructure to do that. thank you for that. poppy? >> this morning a top ukrainian military official confirmed 13 drones aimed at kyiv were shot down with some fragments from the weapons hitting buildings below. they suggest the attacks were aimed at key infrastructure in that city. ukrainian television showed video of a drone fragment with an inscription with a previous drone strike that moscow blamed on ukraine. and the growing frustrations among russian soldiers. a ukrainian defense official released audio of what they say is an intercepted call of two russian soldiers calling home in eastern russian. listen to this. >> translator: hi, how are you?

>> translator: yeah. we're here at the shooting grounds. we're freezing, really. we're training digging foxholes. it's minus 15 degrees celsius, damn it. about 60% of us are [bleep] helpless. going around the shooting grounds losing their weapons, [bleep], helmets and their ammo cartridges. we have to take a hazmat suit with us. it's minus 15 degrees celsius damn it [bleep] we had to use the gas masks yesterday. it was minus 12 degrees. we tried our best. they wanted us to [bleep] damn it they forced us to put on our gas masks outdoors damn it. >> cnn has not been able to verify that audio but it is consistent with the reporting of

complaints by russian troops. also this morning the united states is planning to finalize plans for ukraine's long running request for advanced systems. the u.s. is planning to send patriot missiles to kyiv. barbara starr is live at the pentagon. what does it mean? >> reporter: the u.s. apparently changing its mind. the ongoing day after day barrage of russian attacks against civilian infrastructure, power plants, the people of ukraine that has caused so much misery and damage that now the biden administration finalizing plans to send the patriot system. what is the patriot? it's been in war zones for decades now. it's a missile system where the radar locks on to an incoming bloo

ballistic missile, most like, and fires its own missile to target the missile and bring it down. the key is it can target at a high altitude and long distance. so the result is the russian missile is destroyed at some distance before it gets to a civilian area. that's the whole idea. you know, but make no mistake, this is going to be a very complex undertaking. the system is very difficult. ukrainian troops have to be trained on it, most likely in germany. they will have to learn maintenance and repair. so this may be a long process while their winter sets in and while those russian attacks continue, poppy. >> barbara, given that this could be something that could dramatically change the outcome of the war in ukraine's favor. can you help us understand the administration's thinking why they were previously hesitant because they thought it would be escalatory and not now? >> reporter: i think they're now

seeing this week after week pounding that russian missile forces are inflicting on ukraine and they're looking for a way to try tom minimize that. let the ukrainians get a better jump ahead. ukrainians have other air defense systems if they can network it together and use it in a more comprehensive way on the battlefield, communicating back and forth, able to target the russians quickly, that could be a game changer down the road. >> barbara starr with exclusive reporting from the pentagon. thank you very much. before a sudden down fall that culminated in a court appearance in the bahamas, sam bankman-fried was viewed as a political darling in washington with a large campaign checkbook, sbf, as he is known, could be seen in the white house, the halls of congress. >> my goal has been to find ways to have positive impact on the world and maximize that and do

so by supporting some really fantastic organizations. >> all of that has changed now that the cryptocurrency mogul has been indicted on eight criminal charges and is facing up to 118 years in prison if convicted on all counts. >> this is one of the biggest financial frauds in american history. >> in addition to the fraud charges against sam bankman-fried, federal officials say that he conspired to commit multiple violations of campaign finance laws involving donations in the tens of millions of dollars. >> these contributions were disguised to look like they were coming from wealthy co-conspirators when, in fact, they were funded by alameda research with stolen customer money. and all of this dirty money was used in service of sam bankman-fried's desire to buy bipartisan influence and impact the direction of public policy in washington. >> federal records showed in the

two years leading up to last month's midterm elections, sbf donated more than $40 million to candidates and campaign groups, including $5.6 million to president biden's 2020 election effort. according to data, he made 193 donations in the 2021 to 2022 election cycle. now a lot of it went to democrats but also some republicans. sbf claimed to be the second or third biggest donor this year for republicans. but he was able to shield some of those donations from the public. earlier this year he also bo boasted about how much money he expected to spend in 2024. >> more than 100 million sort of spread across many races, organizations. but toward the 2024 election. so if that's the floor, what's the ceiling? like a billion? might you give a billion? >> yeah. i think that's a decent like thing to look at.

>> now many of the lawmakers who benefitted from sbf's donations are facing questions of their own about returning those donations as the chairwoman of the house financial services committee maxine waters said she wants answers. >> i'm troubled to learn how common it was for bankman-freie and ftx employees to steal from the cookie jar to fund their lavish lifestyles. >> some lawmakers are giving donations to charity like hakeem jeffries who is the new house democratic leader. he said he already donated the $5,800 to the american diabetes association. michigan's senator said that she'll also donate the funds to a local charity. but many of the lawmakers have not said what they'll do. two of sbf's biggest beneficiary, the house majority pact and senate majority pact, which got about $7 million from

him. neither group has said whether they plan to return the money "the washington post" reported. joining us is ari redburg, he's formerly served 11 years in nonpartisan roles at the department of justice and the treasury department under the bush, obama, and trump administrations. that is a track record. but i want to start with what we're talking about, the washington aspect of this. and whether or not you believe, based on what you heard yesterday, that sbf has committed -- that he's violated these campaign finance laws. >> yeah. what's really interesting -- first, thanks for having me. what's really interesting about this case, particularly the campaign finance angle is oftentimes someone will be indicted or charged and reputationally members want to return donations or contributions. here it's different. these contributions are part of a large can be as the u.s.

attorney for the southern district of new york said, one of the biggest indictments in history. these are part of a broader criminal case and what the indictment said is the defendant used the co-mingled funds, used funds taken from users, from customers of ftx and used it to make these donations. so it's really part of a broader criminal case here as opposed to the usual thing that happens on capitol hill where someone commits a crime or something else and members want to return the funds. one thing to point out at the beginning of this, is really it's an extraordinary case for a number of reasons, but really the speed of the indictment is something that stands out to me. here it seems like forever ago but it was only a month ago we saw the collapse of ftx and really over the course of that month we saw agents and investigators and prosecutors obviously climb through a mountain of evidence, millions of transactions or more and end

up packaging that evidence and pr presenting it to a grand jury and having an indictment yesterday and a detention hearing in the bahamas. we'll see what happens next here. but the speed of the indictment is something that stands out to me in what's a complicated criminal investigation. >> what you said about this being different when it comes to the political donations. regulations require that committees have to refund illegal contributions, including those made in the name of another donor. that's what he's accused of doing. does that mean they have to give the money back? what is your understanding of that? >> i think that's right. these are allegations and the charges are going to play out and this is going to take some time. even as we saw yesterday in the detection hearing in the bahamas, at which point mr. bankman-fried was held pending an extradition hearing which will likely be in february and we'll see a few nights in

the bahamas may speed up that process. he may want to move more quickly. we'll see. i think what we're seeing is the early stages. but certainly if these charges play out, if they're proven, if he pleads guilty or is convicted at trial. i imagine there's a world in which these donations would have to be returned. >> big news for lawmakers on capitol hill. thank you for joining us this morning. >> thanks for having me. comedian jay leno giving his first interview since the november accident that left him with severe burns to his face and body. he spoke with nbc today show and spoke about working underneath an antique car when the accident happened. watch this. >> tell me what happened. >> it was a 1907 steam car, the fuel line was clogged. so i was underneath it. i said blow air through the line and boom i got a face full of gas and then the pilot light

jumped and i got a face full of fire. i said dave i'm on fire. dave my friend pulled me out and jumped on top of me and smothered the fire. >> listen, it seems like it just happened. a quick recovery there. he was treated at the grossman burn center in los angeles where the doctors said his injuries were a mix of second and possibly third degree burns. he's expected to make a full recovery. glad for that. >> yeah. >> of course jay leno, it's a 1907 -- >> his passion. >> yes. >> he looks great and has had his humor through all of it. >> i bought an old car and sent him links, don't buy this one, the cost is too low, price too low, this is not great. if you engage him on cars he loves it. >> seems like the best. a big announcement from the fed in hours. we know another rate hike is coming but with inflation

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the federal reserve preparing to wrap up its latest two-day policy meeting in washington with a highly anticipated decision on interest rates. we're all watching this. economists are saying they predict just half a point rate increase as part of the central bank's efforts to rein in inflation. the expected boost does mark the seventh time that the fed has raised interest rates just this year. >> he is the governor of america's third largest state by population. also a potential candidate for president in 2024. but florida governor ron desantis is pushing anti-vaccine rhetoric and starting what he calls an alternative to the cdc. he asked florida's supreme court to investigate covid vaccines, dismissed health advice from the

cdc, fda and nih. he's been critical of dr. fauci. cast doubt on the effectiveness and safety of vaccines. all of this comes as a new study shows that those vaccines saved more than 3 million lives and kept more than 18 million americans out of the hospital. but desantis and the surgeon general in florida still made claims like this. >> we are initiating a program here in florida where we will be studying the incidents in surveillance of myocarditis within a few weeks of covid-19 vaccination for people who die. we will answer this question. it is a question that i'm sure keeps the ceos of pfizer and moderna up late at night hoping no one ever looks but we're going to look here in florida. >> cnn's chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta is with us this morning with the

facts and the science. that's the florida surgeon general saying this issue of myocarditis in people who are vaccinated is under investigation. what are the facts? what do we know? >> all that, you know, there was a lot in there from grigor dimitrov . >> all that there was a lot in there from governor desantis and the surgeon general. one of the things brought up there was the idea of myocarditis, which is inflammation of the heart after the vaccine versus after the infection itself. so across the board the headline is you're more likely to develop a complication like that after an infesfeks infection versus t. this is what they must be talking about, 229 cases of

myocarditis out of 7 million. i'm putting up the numbers because i want to give you the context of what we're talking about here, .0005% likelihood after the first doze, .003% after the second dose, the highest, and an increase after the booster as well. but again, risk across the board of myocarditis higher after the infection versus the vaccine. these vaccines are to prevent, you know, complications. so one thing they did find is men younger than 40, specifically with the moderna vaccine, they did have a higher rates of myocarditis, about 97 million cases per million, .00097%. that's still a low percent but that was the highest. that was highest in that particular age group with moderna than people who got the infection. so that is, i think, been the source of a lot of this controversy. moderna specifically men under

that age, higher incidents of myocarditis. and there have been suggestions that men of that age should get a vaccine different than moderna or spread out their doses further. what i just laid out there. i know a lot of numbers i think has been the genesis of this controversy over vaccines and myocarditis specifically. >> it is three years in china it started in november or december of '19, so it's been three years. but it's the two-year anniversary of the vaccine. i know you like to clear up misinformation. there's been a lot of misinformation surrounding all of this. we seem to see data that more people seem to be dying who have been vaccinated versus unvaccinated. you've written an essay about this. why would that be? explain. >> this is really important. if you look at the raw data you say how many people have died in a particular month of covid and of those people how many were vaccinated versus unvaccinated. if you look at the data, what you will see is that, for

example, 13,000 people died roughly in september, you see 7,800 people were vaccinated. 5,200 unvaccinated. and you say look the vaccines seem to be the problem there. the statistical error people are making is a base rate fallacy. just remember you have to look at the denominator. that's the key. how many people in the vaccinated group were there? there was about 203 million. put that back up for a second. 203 million were in that vaccinated group, that's 7,800 who died. and the unvaccinated group there was 5,200 people out of 55 million. that means in the vaccinated group 38 deaths per million people versus the unvaccinated 95 deaths. that's called a base rate fallacy. it's a lot for 7:00 in the morning i realize. but it's important to dig into these statistics. one other thing. there's a simpson's paradox,

people can google it, look it up afterwards because it's the causation versus correlation thing. yes, you're more like to die from covid if you're older, you're more likely to be vaccinated from covid-19 if you're older. that does not mean that vaccination is not more likely to lead to death. that's the simpson's paradox. people are using the raw numbers and making the assertions that vaccines are not safe. they'll lead to death. if you look at the data, a different picture emerges. >> dr. gupta, also i wanted to talk to you about your mini van. >> that's a whole different story. >> he doesn't know what you're talking about. >> we have the transportation secretary on, you saw it, you know what i'm talking about. you know what our texts are about, your mini van all the time. >> i have three teenagers, don, i'm not as cool as you. >> i think you're pretty cool.

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as poppy was saying congresswoman nancy maze called out a witness in an oversight hearing yesterday. maze as you know is a republican congresswoman from south carolina. she started her time asking the witnesses a few yes or no questions like these. >> do you believe that rhetoric targeting officials for violence for carrying out their constitutional duties is a threat to democracy? mr. ward? >> yes. >> mr. segal. >> yes. >> yes. >> yes. >> yes. >> yes. >> then congresswoman mace turned her attention to an lgbtq rights activist and instructor at harvard law and her tweets. >> only a few weeks after an attack on a supreme court justice one of the witnesses tweeted out the following in

response to a decision on abortion overturning roe v. wade and i'll quote directly from the tweet. the six justices who overturned roe should never know peace again. it is our civic duty to accost them every time they are in public. since women don't have their rights these justices should never have a peaceful moment in public again. i know something about being accosted. the night of january 5th i was physically acancosted on the streets of d.c. by a constituent of mine. i blamed rhetoric, rhetoric on social media, at public events for being physically accosted. i carry a gun everywhere i go when i am in my district and i'm at home because i know personally that rhetoric has consequences. i've had my car keyed, my house spray painted, i had someone trespass in my house as recently

as august. i've been doksed on social media about where i lived. so my last question today, do you stand by these comments, this kind of rhetoric on social media, and do you believe it's a threat to democracy? >> thank you, representative for the opportunity to clarify and provide context to my tweet. >> i have a question, that's a yes or no, do you believe your rhetoric is a threat to democracy when you're calling to accost a branch of government, the supreme court? >> i don't believe that's a correct characterization -- >> you tweeted -- did you not tweet that will? what happened to the speaker's husband is every members' worst nightmare. so we have to call out the threats to democracy wherever they come, whether the right or the left. >> facts. >> i think she's -- listen, we've all had to deal with it. some of us more than others. she obviously it's awful what mace has had to deal with.

but it's right. the rhetoric has to be toned down. i hope elon musk is listening. i hope the people who run social media, i hope they're listening to this. and everyone should have the same energy, republicans should have the same energy if it happens on their side, democrats should have the same energy if it happens on their side as well. it has to be toned down. you end up with people getting hurt or january 6th. i can't wait to see this, what you did. so public or private school, the debate is hotter than ever after the effects of the pandemic on schools on learning loss. don sat down with educators and parents to talk about the state of education in america today. >> are you guys affected by all -- do you see the rig ma role happening at school board meetings about curriculums, does that seep into what you're doing or do you keep above that?

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so parents, i want you to listen up. this conversation is for you. the effects of the pandemic on schools and learning loss, it's still playing out all across the country. and after the death of george floyd the debate of how race is taught in schools is ongoing and the debate on what books should be in school libraries and districts facing staffing shortages and strikes. many parents now choosing private schools. public school enrollment in the u.s. has dropped since 2019 by the millions. and estimates say it will continue to decrease into the next decade. it's such a complicated time for parents and educators. so i wanted to hear from them. i want you to listen to this candid conversation about what this group believes is best for their children.

here it is. >> so i'm so glad that you're all here. let's get right into the conversation with our parents and educators. i'm starting with you colleen, two children one in private and one in public school, that's a good reason to get started for you. you say both options are good but you prefer the private school. tell us about your situation and why. >> i think that different options are good for different kids. i prefer the private school for my daughter. she needed a smaller environment. you know, the covid-19 pandemic is definitely what precipitated the move but it's been wonderful for her socially, academically to be in the smaller environment and a lot of research about keeping kids in the same place k through 8 and that's better overall rather than transitions with the separate middle school. but our public school is phenomenal. i'm super happy with that, too. i'm there all the time.

a and my son is thriving there. i think different kids have different needs. >> i'm from the south so we'll go to ms. chantel. you say you considered public school for your child for a short time. what what was it that private school offered that private school in your community didn't offer for you and your child? >> i think one of the things that the private school offered was an additional mentoring support so there were mentoring programs that were available to individuals who qualified to help with that transition to high school. and with the public schools we had access to at the time, they weren't going to offer the rigor that we were looking for to make sure they were ready for their next stages. >> beth, i think we should go to you because you're an educator, a public schoolteacher and get your response to this. what do you say? >> yes. i've been a teacher in arizona

for over a decade. and you know within i think that -- i've seen the shrinking of resources that we're talking about. but i will absolutely always choose public schools as an jaef educator and as a parent. the main differences i see have qualified trained professionals. teaching is a science and profession. >> rodney, i want to get you in here as i understand you're a private school educator and you say you would probably never go into public education. why is that? >> yes, i'm the head of a private school. and i would say, from my own self, i would never go into public education because i was a private school product myself. i started in public schools with my youngest age from kindergarten to fifth grade and then i was gillman school from sixth grade to 12th grade, so i just believe in and am familiar with private education. >> let me ask you this, because

you -- you say that you think our educational system is set up to perpetuate classism and you struggle with that because you say you feel you're part of that. that's an interesting take. explain that, explain that please. >> some people think the public school system is largely in the neighborhood that you live in. that's on the public school side. on the private school side, our tuitions are 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, $70,000 a year. that creates a class stratification. my own self having grown up low income in baltimore. one of the things that broke the cycle was access to private

education. >> denise, i want to bring you in. you have been patiently standing by. i know that you have lots to say here. let me just inform the viewers. you went to a private religious school. you considered having your son go that route, but he felt like public school was a better fit for him. you were willing to pay for private, even though it was beyond your family's reach at the time. why did you want him to go to a private school? >> growing up, going to a private christian school, i felt that i went to both, a private christian school and a public school. the private school was much further advanced in the studies, just in learning. it was much more challenging but yet i learned more in the private school. the class sizes were smaller. you had more individual attention from the teachers. we sat down as a family and discussed it and i had suggested a private school just for the benefit of a smaller class size

and a better education and my son just didn't want to do that. he wanted to be in his public school in our area, which is a very good school, i might add. he wanted the options of more sports, diversity and being around different people and different cultures, which our county is just phenomenal for different cultures. >> about you, dontania? >> i'm extremely happy. my youngest are taking college courses as a freshman in high school, which kind of shocked me. previously he was considered underperforming in the private school and he had very low self-esteem while he was there, too. had a teacher that wasn't very standing of a different culture and labeled him as something that he wasn't and discovered how bright he was when he got to the public school and is

excelling. >> what do you mean by labeled him as something that he wasn't? >> my con son characterized him as i'm just not smart enough. he's more shy and inquisitive. just didn't really fit in at the private school. it affected his grades. he was very disorganized, did not perform well but he was bright and tested well into all honors at the public school and started taking college courses as a freshman. >> so i'm just going to ask you and you can -- are you guys affected by all of the -- do you see the rigmarole happening at school board meetings about curriculums? does that seep into what you're doing or do you keep above that and keep your eyes focused on the problem? go ahead, beth. >> in arizona we have seen these

culture wars played out probably harder than any other state in the country. it's affected our teachers. we have a lot of teachers that are leaving the profession and it's really sad. you know, some of the people who manufacture these sort of fake crises have said they wanted to usher in universal vouchers beep have that in arizona. we're the first state that has. i want to point out that right now that's just subsidizing the people who are already choosing private school. our public school enrollment keeps going up, our class sizes are growing. i think it's important the majority of our parents are choosing public school, even when they're offered a private school voucher. >> rodney first. >> i'm thinking about your question around the curriculum. most private schools as we know

it started as white flight schools that were leaving public education so they could buffer themselves from some of the diversity and some of the curriculum innovation that we've been talking about this morning. so now as the country rolls back into conservatism we are seeing some independent school parents push back. what i love about our schools is we're seeing our schools stand firm to say these are the values we are professing as a school. the good thing about independent scoops, these are the values you brought into it. it's an interesting tension. nobody has to be in our school. people choose to be. >> colleen, you're a private and public school parent. i saw you shaking your head vigorously when beth said that stuff about crt having seeped in and you were shaking your head yeah. >> i thought it was interesting

about the vouchers. we don't have vouchers in virginia but what i think is interesting is that when you have choice, right, i think that both sides are incentivized to improve and really do their best and i wonder what the relationship is there in arizona. i can tell you in our community because the public schools are so great that in order to be a successful thriving private school, you've got to be really, really great for somebody to want to pay on top of that. so i think that's kind of interesting. >> i agree that we have choices and we've always had choices. the bottom line is who pays for your choice. and by intentionally taking away from the funding of public school education, the taxpayer dollars, the common good, the common pot, the common agreement and allocating it to people who already make choices to opt out of the public school system,

it's very important because now we're underresourcing the highest need families and subsidizing people who would already pay for where they would go. >> thank you. i appreciate it. >> up next, take a look at that. we're going to take you live to louisiana which was struck by tornadoes last night. you're watchching "cnn this morning." if your business kept on employees through the pandemic, getrefunds.com can see if it may qualify for a payroll tax refund of up to $26,000 per ployee. all it takes is eight minutes to get started then work with pfessionals to assist your business with its forms and bmit the application.

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