and take it all in. >> reporter: in six hours of documentary storytelling, the sussexes have told their side of the story. >> so there was no other option at this point. i said we need to get out of here. >> reporter: the royal family aren't commenting. the tabloid press no doubt will have plenty to say. anna stewart, cnn, london. and coming up in about two hours, don't miss a cnn tonight special with alisyn camerota all about the royal revelations from the harry and meghan documentary. alisyn hosts that starting tonight at 10:00 eastern. thank you so much to all you have for joining us. in the meantime, don't forget "outfront" is always available on cnn go. "ac 360" begins now. we begin tonight with breaking news. moments ago, a thorough judge temporarily reversed what appeared to be a major victory for president biden in the

immigration court, putting a pause on the remain in mexico policy which had been enacted by the former president. certain noncitizens who entered the u.s. back to mexico for process. president biden had given the green light to end the program, but it had also sent the case back to lower courts for additional proceedings of note at the end of november. the immigration system surpassed two million pending cases for the first time. phil mattingly joins us now. so talk more about this judge's decision. what's happening? >> reporter: you know, anderson, this just really gives a great window into the complications that the biden administration has faced for the better part of the last two years on this issue that has remained such a significant problem and we're certainly seeing that today. the microprotection protocol program was something that president biden worked to move to undo in his opening days in office. and yet it has been subject to a roller coaster legal battle that as you noted seemed to move in the direction of the white house at the end of july, or at the end of june when the supreme court ruled in their favor in

their efforts to discontinue this trump era program. this is a program where asylum seeker, non-mexican asylum seekers would be kept in mexico while they awaited their proceedings. it was considered by immigration advocates to be inhumane, particularly given where many of those migrants were held in mexico. and yet the biden administration for the better part of their first year and a half in office tried to end the program, were stopped. tried to revise the program, were stopped. over the course of that entire process, still maintaining that they believe the program was not the right way to handle this issue in a humane manner. now once again, as the administration knew that there was still going to be something coming from the same judge that blocked this program in the first place, they are now once again grappling with the reality of their inability to stop a program that the president campaigned against, made clear on his opening days in office he would do away with, and still is dealing with as they're dealing with so many other very significant immigration issues right now, anderson.

>> the asylum system is broken in the united states. i mean, there are so many people who come from -- not from mexico, from venezuela and cuba and other places say they want to claim asylum, even if they're here for economic reasons. and it takes years for them to get processed to even hear their -- have their claims listened to. and in that time, they're not allowed to but they're allowed to be here as well. was the white house expecting this? do they have a plan for what happens if in fact they get their wish and this back to mexico policy goes away? >> you know, anderson, the interesting element of this happening now is the entire focus of the white house when it comes to border policy has been on the likely termination of the title 42 authority that had been put in place by former president trump during the pandemic, essentially turned away. people at the border that did not have asylum claims. that has been a significant issue and a very real level of

concern in the lead-up to what is expected to be a december 21st end to the program. weeks of meeting after meeting after meeting between white house officials, national security council officials department of homeland security officials, all of whom acknowledge this will almost certainly lead to a surge at the border for which they will have to grapple with. this was not on the minds of most of the officials i've spoken to about that issue that's coming december 21st over the course of the last couple of days. that said, they have dealt with this obviously several times. they have dealt with this particular district court judge several times as well. and the next steps will obviously be pursued by the administration in the days ahead. but all of this just gives this window into an effort that was laid out in a very definitive manner during a campaign, in a very definitive manner in the opening days, really the first couple of days of the biden administration. they were going to undo what former president trump put into place. they believe to some degree it was un-american. they certainly believed that it

was not the proper way to treat migrants where ever they came from. and yet here they are two years into office dealing with these significant issues in a system to your point, anderson, that as congress still refuses to act, is completely broken. >> i want to bring in elie honig, jennifer roger, dana bash, and cnn senior national correspondent ed lavandera, who is in el paso, texas tonight. can you just explain the legal implications of this ruling and walk us through the difference between the remain in mexico program, which is what the ruling deals with, and title 42? >> anderson, so the policy of the united states going back many years through administrations of both parties was that when a person seeks asylum in this country, generally speaking, as you said, those procedure, those legal proceedings can take months, years. and people while they were waiting, were allowed to wait here in the united states. in 2019, the trump administration changed that. they said now a person has to remain in mexico. that could be potentially very dangerous because the northern

regions of mexico where people were waiting tend to be controlled in some areas by drug cartels. it could be very dangerous. it could be a deterrent, which is something the trump administration was going for. on joe biden's first day in office, as phil said, he ordered his department of homeland security, take a look at this. homeland security came back and said we're going get rid of this policy. we're not going to make people wait in mexico. that led us into the courts. then there was a series of challenges. it went all the way up to the supreme court that actually ruled 5-4 in favor of joe biden saying we're not going to knock it down now, but we want the district court, that's the court that ruled today, we want the district court to see whether this was done procedurally correctly. and the ruling today from the district court today, anderson, was that the biden administration has not done this correctly with all the nuances of procedure. now that will be appealed. so it's a blow against the biden administration for now, but it's not over. >> dana, again, the policy, the u.s. has a long-standing policy of people who are seeking asylum for persecution, for very specific reasons, and it's a high bar. there is a policy in place and

people who come to the united states can apply for asylum. but the system is so broken that what used to take several months, decades ago now takes like three to four, five years in some cases to be adjudicated before someone can be even see a judge and have their hearing and oftentimes they don't get asylum because they're here for economic reasons, or legitimate reasons. but that's not a claim for asylum. i know the biden administration says they want this policy overturned, but it doesn't seem like anybody has a plan for dealing with all these new asylum claims gwiven the backlo. >> the new asylum claims. and on top of what you were talking about with phil, and you asked elie, title 42, which is the focus of washington, the focus of the biden administration in a big way right now because when those covid era -- when that covid era policy is lifted, which we

expected to happen in a couple weeks, next week, actually, you're going to have even more people wanting to come. and that's why you're seeing everybody come where ed lavandera is. but the answer to your question is because congress is completely and totally deadlocked on this, and has been, anderson, for two decades now. i mean, how many times have we been talking about the fact that there are a small number of republicans and democrats who want to come together and fix the broken asylum system, and then even more broadly, the broken immigration system. and it is demagogued over and over again by extremes on the right and the left, frankly mostly the right on this issue, and those who want an issue rather than a solution, a policy solution, which is so needed. >> right. dana, the politics of this work for the extremes on both sides

to as you say, to demagogue its bumper sticker slogans. >> yep. >> and it riles people. it riles up the base of both parties. and yet it doesn't -- there are some solutions. >> there are. >> it just has to be a negotiation there has to be compromise. >> there has been willingness. there has to be willingness. i remember covering the george w. bush administration. they got close. the senate had a big bipartisan bill, and it died in the house because of the politics of it. and i remember covering -- fast forward many years. never mind the democrats, but donald trump, there was a plan on his desk which he had the political capital to do, which would have helped to reform the system, not entirely, but at least go a small or more than a small way to do it. and he -- he pulled out at the last minute because he didn't want to enrage the republican base. that kind of thing happens over and over again, or at least did

for a little while. now they're not even talking in a bipartisan way in a real productive discussion that needs to happen. and maybe these images are going to change things. we can be optimistic, but i think we also need to be realistic. >> and ed, is it clear what the immediate impact of this ruling on people hoping to get into the united states will be? because, again, people who come here, they're allowed to apply for asylum. it takes years. but they're not allowed to work in that time because if they're immediately allowed to work, that would encourage other people to come and say they want to apply for asylum, be able to get a job and stay here for years and maybe get tossed out or have their asylum claim actually validated. but these asylum seekers are not allowed to work for years. so they're driven into the underground economy. >> and anderson, i can also assure you, as we've spoken with dozens of migrants over the past few days here in el paso.

this is the symbolic reality of what this lack of movement on immigration reform has created. so tonight on the streets of el paso, you have people sleeping on the ground. they're waiting. they have been processed through border patrol. they have papers and legal ability to stay here as their immigration case goes through the system. but as you mentioned, that will take a long time. and i can assure you, in speaking with dozens of migrants over the last few days, all of this is completely lost on them. it is such a technical, confusing, baffling process. we have title 42. you have the remain in mexico policy. there are people who get deported, some people who don't get deported. it is completely confusing. it's almost impossible for them to make sense of it. but what they do know is their immediate lives are a complete disaster and a mess, and they have to do something about it now. they will tell you that they do not have time. so what does that create? it creates a system where they are willing to spend thousands

of dollars traveling from their home country through mexico. the stories of kidnappings and the sequestrations, being held at gunpoint as more people get more money from them, as they get to this very point, they are willing to endure all of that for the chance to be able to go through that process. and it is not guaranteed. the immigration court system put out numbers today that said in the last two months, 40% of immigration cases have ended up in deportation proceedings. so this is not a guarantee that many of these people will be able to stay here in the u.s. but the news that we're talking about here is almost like beside the point to them. at this point, they feel like this is their only option left in their lives. >> jennifer, what sort of next step do you expect the biden administration to take, given that this case has already been to the supreme court, sent back to the lower level judge? is there any recourse for the white house at this point? again, if this policy does ultimately go away, which is what the white house says they

want, i don't understand what their plan is to deal with people who are coming who will claim asylum who have, you know, no way to make a living here, and years and years and years of waiting in an overwhelmed system because there is not enough judges and courts to even hear the asylum seekers. >> anderson, assuming they press ahead with their revocation of the trump era policy, they will appeal to the fifth circuit. we went up to the supreme court before on substantive grounds. do they have the power under the administrative procedures act to enact this new policy, or really actually revoke the policy of the trump administration. now the question is different. now the question is did they do it properly under the apa. there are notice provision, public comment provisions. they're specifically spelled out ways that you can enact policy under the administrative procedures act. so that's what's on the table now. so i think the biden administration will appeal to the fifth circuit, and in part because there is a real

structural problem here, which is forum shopping. this judge, judge kaczmarek is the only judge in this district. you a situation where republicans are going to him for a reason, because he agrees with their positions. and so i think both on the merits of it and also just to say to this judge, listen, this is not an okay thing, this forum shopping. we're going to appeal you to the fifth circuit and get you overturned and maybe teach him a lesson that way. but i expect them to appeal and move for a stay. and if they get that, we'll go back to where we were before today's opinion. >> and phil, there has to be ultimately, i mean the only way this problem ultimately gets solved is through congress and some sort of a legislative solution to the immigration issue, comprehensive or detailed or specific point by point parts of these issues, smaller pieces of it. is any of that a possibility in the coming year or two for this administration? >> you know what's having, anderson, there is probably the best possibility that we've seen in a long time. just a couple -- over the course of the last couple of weeks,

senators kyrsten sinema and thom tillis, caucuses with the democrats generally and a republican came together on a framework related to both the title 42 issue and related to the so-called dreamers, those who were brought here by parents who were undocumented immigrants and were born here and are kind of in a state of limbo still, despite all of the efforts on that front. there was a push to try and attach that. dana knows this effort better than anybody. kind of end of year vehicles, the major spending package, you try to tack anything you can get on to that and try to move it forward. what was interesting, i was talking to white house officials who knew particularly on the title 42 issue since that's what they've been focused on over the course of the last several weeks, this was really the only long-term way the address some of these issues, some of these real and acute issues is some type of bipartisan agreement. and yet it was made clear about 24 hours ago that there was simply no appetite to move it

forward and get things done. there is a solution here that only comes through legislation. if you've learned anything from the last two years based on what president biden promised as a candidate, based on what his administration pledged to do when he came into office and based on what he has grappled with over the course of the last two years is the executive branch, executive authority only simply is not a valid and viable solution on these issues. in fact, to some degree, it's only made things worse. >> i appreciate all of you reporting on this. we'll have more on the story throughout the program tonight. but first, more breaking news. a historical milestone for one of the darkest days in the history of the united states, the assassination of former president john f. kennedy. there is newly released documents about his assassination. we're going to talk about what is inside them with a presidential historian. also tonight, there is a cnn exclusive, the first ever joint interview where house speaker nancy pelosi and chuck schumer. definitely first ever at a chinese restaurant. cnn's jamie gangel sat down with them, just ahead. whether it's a year old, or aa few years old

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more breaking news tonight. in fact, it is a moment 59 years in the making. the national archives has released more than 13,000 documents from 1963 records of the john f. kennedy assassination. the cia tonight says it has now released all information known to be related directly to the assassination with about 95% of all agency documents within the jfk assassination records collection act now public in their entirety. cnn's tom foreman joins us with more on this milestone. what do we know about these documents so far? >> we know first of all, as you noted, there are a lot of them, anderson. this is the equivalent of a dozen copies of war and peace being dumped out there. and yet this is a tiny fraction of the roughly 5 million documents related to the jfk assassination. we also know based on what some jfk assassination historians have said, what the cia has said, what history has shown that what we're not likely to

find in this is any kind of giant breakthrough, some really smoking gun explanation here as to how this happened or some secret conspiracy, nothing that will satisfy the conspiracy theorists out there. that said, there are a lot of interesting details here, anderson. >> like what? what have you found so far? >> a lot of it has to do with the process of how the cia goes about things. some of that explains partially why this has been hidden for so long, so it doesn't reveal their methods. how they surveilled people down in mexico, soviet people down there, had secret wiretaps down there. at one point, there is a small line where a psychologist of some sort who had looked at oswald is cited as saying oswald's motivation is largely determined by his neurotic background, his failure to achieve status, and his very deep resentment of all authority. oswald saw a movie on tv about an attempted presidential assassination with a rifle shortly before his deed, which could have sparked him into

action. so there are actions like that that would totally point toward oswald acting alone. but then there is another one where they talk about an intercepted phone call between cuba and miami two days after the assassination of the president. the gist of which was plan of castro carried forward. bobby is next. obviously a reference to bobby kennedy, who indeed was killed five years later. soon the atomic bombs will rain, and they will not know from where. this, however, although that would light up a conspiracy theorist, there are no indications of record that the cia took this seriously. if anything they said well, it's a good listen how people can be listening in on your phone calls. you don't expect it. lots of that in here. >> is everything released now? it seems like there still may be some more stuff out there. >> no. there is still some material out there, not a whole lot. it's a small amount. the collection according to the archives still has 515 documents withheld in full.

another 2,545 withheld in part. not entirely clear when or how the rest of it will be released. but again, there is just no indication that what is hiding there is some great revelation. but what could be hiding there is even more information about the details of how things were handled, how it was investigated, and maybe something that will put to rest some of these conspiracy, although after all these years, anderson, i wouldn't bet on it. >> tom, thank you. keep going through the documents. fascinating. perspective now from cnn presidential historian tim naftali. tim, how big a deal is this? >> anderson, it's a huge deal that our government basically is forcing our intelligence community to release things they never wanted to release. remember, this is the fourth or fifth bite at the apple that the intelligence community had. and the first few go-arounds,

the intelligence community kept arguing for national security reasons we can't release these details. and the combination of trump's conspiracy thinking and joe biden's determination for transparency has led to this day where we have documents that have no redactions at all, which talk about very sensitive cia operations that have nothing to do with the assassination of jfk, but everything to do with the secret world of the 1960s and '70s. >> does anything change the official historical record or conclusion about jfk's assassination? >> no. nothing -- i mean, i have to say, this was described as ten "war & peace." i couldn't get through one in the course of an afternoon. i sampled based on some assumptions about, about 10% of the material. i didn't see anything nor was i

expecting anything that lee harvey oswald was a self-radicalizing assassin. we have had a number before. if you think about the history of islamist terrorism, a lot of them involve self-radicalized individuals. that narrative doesn't change. here is the crux of it all. one of the reasons we have conspiracy theories to the extent we do in our culture is that after world war ii, we created a national security state that introduced layers of secrecy in our own government, that meant our own government, for reasons it felt reasonable, couldn't always tell us what it was doing. abroad and at times at home. that was secrets layered upon secrets layered upon secrets led to an explosion of skepticism in this country in the '70s, a series of investigations that then shocked americans about what our government was up to. we've never recovered from that shock to our basic trust in government to this day. i know i think it's worse now than it's been since the '70s.

but if you want to see why americans thought their government was overly secretive, take a look at some of these details. give you a few examples. the u.s. government illegally was intercepting our letters. that's not -- that became known in the '70s. but they were intercepting letters of pretty prominent people like jane fonda. in the 1970s, tom hayden and jane fonda sued the u.s. government to get access to their fbi materials that had not been released in the freedom of information act requests they had made to the fbi. they lost. well, today we know that the cia had intercepted four letters that were sent to ms. fonda in the year '72-'73, and wouldn't release them to her. it gives an example of sort of the level of surveillance that our government was engaged in that period. i think people will understand now a bit about the culture of secrecy that developed in the cold war, and why there was a

huge pitch back this the '70s. and again, there was a huge pushback after 9/11. and one reason why we should be very bothered about unrestrain ed national security community. >> tim naftali, fascinating. thank you so much. up next, jamie gangel sits down with chuck schumer and nancy pelosi over chinese food and discusses a slew of topics, including the former president and the january 6th hearings. at booking.com, finding perfect isn't rocket science. kitchen? sorted.

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welcome back. i want to turn to a cnn exclusive. the democratic leaders of congress, chuck schumer and house speaker nancy pelosi worked together for about 35 years. this is the first time ever they sat for an interview at one of their favorite chinese restaurants to talk with jamie gangel about their working relationship with the former president, 2024 race, the impact of the january 6th hearings.

>> what are you going to have? >> i think i'm going to get dumplings. >> i'm sorry i'm late. hot and sour soup. that's what i was going have. >> okay. >> nice bowl of soup on a cold day. >> you actually first met at a meal like this in 1987. >> like january. and george miller, who was my roommate, my landlord, he said there is a new person joining our group. her name is nancy pelosi. she is the new congress member from san francisco, and she -- before i met her, she will become the first woman speaker. that's what he said. god's truth. >> he was right. >> what was interesting about it -- >> you really knew the first time? >> i knew she would really be a force. >> whatever that might be. >> would you like for some appetizers? >> so i'll have an order of shrimp dumplings. >> okay. >> and then i'll have some string beans. >> talk to me about your relationship. the two of you finish each

other's sentences. you're on the phone constantly, four -- >> 455-730 -- and i'm not going to say the last. >> oh, please. you know everybody's phone number. >> i probably dial hers just about more than anyone other than people in my family. >> here is the thing. i say this all the time. he has -- what do you call that phone? >> a flip phone. >> a flip phone. if he had a regular smartphone, we could reduce the number of conversations, because i could just text him. >> how would you describe your relationship, your call? the power couple, you're called an odd couple. >> we're close friends. it's almost like brother and sister. >> that's right. >> when you disagree, who wins? >> usually her. >> no, no. when we disagree, then we end the conversation, and we know we're going to come back. >> a tough one a week ago, right? what was it? >> what was it about? >> i don't remember what it was. but it was shall we say candid.

>> i want to talk about how the two of you navigated working with former president trump, because of -- >> we had a good time. >> he famously nicknamed the two of you chuck and nancy, right? it was always chuck and nancy. i think you both new that speaker pelosi got under his skin, right? >> yes. >> was there a strategy when you went in to a meeting? was there a good cop/bad cop? >> he's just inaugurated. this is an historic moment. the president of the united states. so i'm thinking how is he going to begin? is he going quote the constitution, american history, poet, the bible? "you know i won the popular vote." >> that's how he started. >> and i said, "mr. president,

that's just not true." >> we sort of set him up instinctively. we didn't plan this. everyone thought we planned this out. it was about the government shutdown the first time. and nancy said something to him about he didn't -- about women. >> chuck was masterful. he was masterful. >> she set him up so i could go in for the kill. >> he was masterful. he is talking to him about the government shutdown and about immigrants and the rest. and he says "i take ownership". >> "mr. president, will you own the shutdown"? "yes, i will." >> there are a series of moments that you saw firsthand. there is the clap. there is tearing up the speech, and then there is the famous picture. it's the meeting in the cabinet room where you stood up and

confronted. looking back at those moments, what was going through your mind? >> i said he doesn't stand a chance. [ laughter ] he doesn't know what he is up against. i tell people nancy instinctively knew how to handle trump, because for her first, you know, 35, 40 years of life, she raised five children, and she knew how to deal with children. and that's what help herd deal with trump, because he ultimately was a child. >> we had a different approach. chuck is a new yorker. >> brooklyn. >> brooklyn. so they spoke their own kind of -- they understood each other. >> january 6th, there is extraordinary footage of the two of you being evacuate d what wa it like that day? >> it was horrible. i mean, it was a horrible time. >> it was frightening. people are invading the capitol.

we were both worriyied about ou own members, people in any senate, people in the house, what was happening to them because they whisked us off to this other place. for a while, cell phone service didn't happen. and it was just frightening. >> did you try to reach out to the president himself? >> yes. they wasn't put him on. the attorney general, i think it was acting attorney general, he wouldn't put him on. >> he wouldn't take your calls? >> the president wouldn't, that's right. >> i think you see in some of the film how firm chuck was when we were calling the governors, the mayors, the secretary. and we were telling the secretary of the army, the attorney general. the secretary of the army was supposed -- it's really a tragedy that they did not send the national guard earlier. >> they were sort of afraid to act. trump had so intimidated everybody, you could never tell him the truth.

you could never contradict him. have some peking duck. it's good. i'm eating so much. >> there is a cnn poll that just came out that shows there is still appetite on both sides for a biden-trump rematch in 2024. you're stepping aside. do you think president biden should step aside for a younger generation? >> i think president biden has done an excellent job as president of the united states. i hope that he does seek reelection. he's been a great president. >> look at what he has accomplished. >> he should run again. >> he has done an excellent, excellent job. and he runs, i'm going to support him all the way. >> right now, donald trump is the only republican who is announced. he could be the nominee. he could be president again. you've been through the first presidency. you've been through january 6th. what would it mean if donald trump was re-elected president?

>> i don't think it will happen. the american people have gotten wise to him. it took a little while, but they did. >> i don't think that we should talk about him while we're eating. [ laughter ] >> see? >> really, another trump presidency? >> you called donald trump, quote, insane. >> i think there is a need for an intervention there by his family or somebody. you know. i don't think he is on the level, no. >> cnn special correspondent jamie gangel joins us now. i don't know who came up with this idea. i'm guessing it was you. that's a genius -- you should have chinese food with everybody. this is a really great, fascinating to watch, you know, them sit around having dumplings and just chewing the fat. >> the shrimp dumplings were excellent, for the record. i will also say that i don't think that flip phone is going away any time soon.

and even though nancy pelosi is stepping down as speaker, she will remain in congress. i will guarantee you that they are still going to be talking four or five times a day on the phone. it's quite a relationship. and what the chinese restaurant gave us tonight, anderson, is just a look behind the scenes at the way they really are. >> yeah, that's what's so fascinating about it. you see two people who know each other obviously, and it's just fascinating to see them interact, interact with you. i seriously think you should do them all. >> all future interviews at chinese restaurants, done. >> jamie gangel, thank you so much. i want to come. coming up, exclusive new revelations in the harry and meghan documentary series. what may have led to his wife's miscarriage. that's next.

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official silence from buckingham palace tonight after the release of the final episodes of the harry and meghan docuseries.

the duke and duchess of sussex got much more in depth about their emotional battles outside and inside the royal family. max foster tonight shows us some of the most powerful moments. >> good morning. it's 6:00 a.m. on the 14th of march, and we are on the freedom flight. we are leaving canada and we are headed to los angeles. >> reporter: the palace may have been spared in the first drop of episodes, but this time harry and meghan didn't pull any punches. >> everything that's happened to us was always going to happen to us, because if you speak truth to power, that's how they respond. >> reporter: in the final episodes of the couple's netflix docuseries, harry says he was being blocked from meeting the queen to discuss his future. >> once we were back in the uk, i rang her and said i'm told you

are busy. >> yes, i didn't know that i'm busy. i've been told that i'm busy all week. i was wow. >> reporter: by this point, the couple had decided to step back from royal duties, issuing a statement to that effect. that triggered a showdown at sandringham house with william, charles and the queen. >> it was terrifying to have my brother scream and shout at me and my father say things that simply weren't true, and my grandmother quietly sit there and sort of take it all in. >> reporter: the couple sharing their perspective on the royal rift, which in their words pushed them out of the fold. it started during their tour of australia back in 2018. so successful, it created jealous in the palace they say. >> the issue is when someone who is marrying in should be a supporting act is then stealing the limelight or is doing the job better than the person who was born to do this, that upsets people. it shifts the balance. within four hours, they're happy

to lie to protect my brother, and yet for three years, they were never willing to tell the truth to protect us. >> reporter: meghan says the stress of the media coverage was too much. last year saying she didn't want to live anymore. >> it was like all of this will stop if i'm not here. and that was the scariest thing about it, is it was such clear thinking. >> i remember her telling me that, that she wanted to take her own life. and that really broke my heart, because i knew -- well, i knew that it was bad, but to just constantly be picked at by these vultures, just picking away at her spirit, that she would

actually think of not wanting to be here. >> reporter: but she also suffered physically because of the stress of the worldwide coverage and in british newspapers, including the daily mail, which published a letter she wrote to her father. >> i believe my wife suffered a miscarriage because of what the mail did. i watched the whole thing. now do we absolutely know the miscarriage was caused by that? of course we don't. but bearing in mind the stress that that caused, the lack of sleep and the timing of the pregnancy, how many weeks in she was, i can say from what i saw, that miscarriage was created by what they were trying to do to her. >> reporter: meghan says she took on her royal role with the best of intentions, but she was warned from the very beginning by her private secretary that things wouldn't be smooth. >> there was this moment where our private secretary, she'd

worked for the queen for i think 20 years. and what she said to me was, it's like this fish swimming perfectly, powerful, it's on the right current. and then one day this little organism comes in, and the entire thing goes -- what is that? what is it doing here? it doesn't look like us. it doesn't move like us. we don't like it. get it off us. >> what is the family's response? well, on thursday they showed a kwlieted front at a planned engagement. and the palace said they had no plans to comment on the series. >> that's max foster reporting from london. be sure to stick around for "royal revelations" right after 360. twitter and news organizations covering the chaos since elon musk took over, the

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this just in. elon musk is suspending the twitter accounts of some of the journalists who cover twitter, among them members of the "new york times," "washington post," and cnn. donie o'sullivan reported here last night on the controversial suspension of a different account just had his account suspended. donie, last night you were sitting here reporting on the young guy who is tracking -- has been tracking the private jet of elon musk. that's him. you did an interview with him and his grandmother -- >> correct. >> -- and apparently elon musk did not like that. >> yeah. so, what's basically happened is that just really over the past hour or so, as the number of journalists at national news outlets, including "the new york

times," "washington post," and here at cnn, have been permanently, it seems, suspended from twitter. now, all those journalists, including myself, happen to be people who cover elon musk. this is elon musk, of course, the free speech activist. >> yeah, like that. >> the first amendment. drew harwell, who's one of the reporters at the "washington post" who is suspended put out a statement saying, elon says he is banning journalists for exercising free speech. i think that calls into question his commitment. and look, i mean, this is -- you know, as we saw with the jet tracker last night, musk seems to be stamping out accounts that he doesn't like. >> which is, i mean, kind of crazy, given his -- >> his stance on speech. >> -- his line. i think we have an image of your account. >> yeah. so, that's what i see when i try to log in right now. it says, your account is currently suspended. it says, after careful review,

they decided to kick me off the platform. in the minutes leading up to the suspension, we were reporting -- we were doing our job. we were reporting on what was happening with the musk jet situation. musk had claimed, as kind of a justification for taking down the jet account, that there was an incident this week involving his child in los angeles. he claimed that a stalker, he described it, followed the car his child was in, and he tried to link this to the jet tracking app. it's not clear there is a linkage there. nevertheless, just a few minutes before we got kicked off twitter, i had reported that the los angeles police department said they were aware of the situation and by the tweet by elon musk and was in contact with his representatives and his security team. and they did point out that no crime reports have been filed yet. but, look, i mean, i think, in terms of me personally, many of the national reporters, "the

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