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-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com the breaking news this evening that a federal judge has put a pause on president biden attempt to end the remain in mexico policy comes as a separate issue threatening to overwhelm authorities at the southern border, the possible end of title 42 next week. something already invoked by the former president has sent a surge of americans to el paso, texas, and threatens to send more should it end next wednesday. ed lavandera filed this report. >> reporter: for more than three months, this couple have waited th for this moment, taking the
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final steps across the rio grande into the united states. [ speaking non-english ] >> reporter: he says they never thought the journey from venezuela would be so painful. [ speaking non-english ] >> reporter: i tell her, i can see the emotion in her face and the sense of relief, that she's entering the united states with her two sons. with that, they step across the river. the family says, they could not wait any longer to see what might happen with the lifting of the title 42 public health rule, which has kept 2.5 million migrants from requesting asylum in the united states. they are now part of the current surge of migrants entering el paso. officials say about 2,500 people per day are crossing. the migrants spend the night in a long orderly line in the shadow of the barbed wire covered wall. here they wait to be called in my border patrol agents. they are then escorted to a processing facility to find out
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if they'll be deported or allowed to stay in the u.s., as their immigration case moves through the courts. >> outs a band aid to really a bigger problem. >> reporter: el paso's mayor says if title 42 is lifted next week, the number of migrants crossing into the city could jump to 5,000 per day. already shelters are out of space, and immigration processing facilities are over capacity. despite this, the majyor says h doesn't see the need to declare the situation a state of emergency. >> the only thing i am 100% sure today that we will be prepared december 21st, that if it is lifted, the community and the city of el paso will be prepared. >> reporter: hundreds are waiting to get into the u.s., and the lines show no signs of slowing down. before they crossed jason and zulema said they will wait in the frigid cold as long as it takes to get past the wall. i asked them what they will think if that happens.
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[ speaking non-english ] >> translator: thank god it's going to be a new life for us. >> and ed lavandera joins us now from el paso. can you explain title 42 and the remain in mexico policy. what is the difference between them? >> reporter: well, the remain in mexico policy was technically called the migrant protection protocol. it essentially allowed the u.s. government to expel migrants coming from countries other than mexico and force them to wait just on the other side of the border. it was controversial because you're sending migrants to sit in dangerous border cities on the mexican side. title 42 is not immigration policy. it's a public health policy that was used during the pandemic era to keep migrants from entering the united states. so, both of them highly controversial and obviously have been tied up in the courts for years. >> ed lavandera, appreciate it. new york city officials are among those struggling to process the thousands of asylum
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seekers that have arrived. about two-thirds of whom remain in the city and need permanent housing, legal services, winter clothes. omar jiminez has more. >> reporter: from venezuela to columbia, central america, mexico, and then by bus from texas, eventually to new york city in july, this woman says she was frightened nearly every step of the month-long journey. the first fear is the jungle, she says, navigating threats of possible violence, disease, and more. alongside her husband and son. in the middle of it all, the three of them found out she was carrying a fourth. she was pregnant. by time she had gotten to new york, the harsh conditions of her travel had taken a toll. i got sick because i got sick with a urinary infection on the trip over, she says. i was hospitalized for the baby,
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the beginnings of a potential abortion. in november, her daughter was born, symbolizing the future she came here for in the first place. her journey mirrors the more than 30,000 asylum seekers that have landed in new york city since the spring, some on their own volition, some sent on a bus from texas to make a political point. as of this week, more than 20,000 migrants remain in the city's carry. and it's part of why mayor eric adams declared a state of emergency in october, estimating the city will spend roughly a billion dollars on the influx of migrants. >> we need help. this is some serious money that we're spending because we're doing the right thing. >> reporter: mayor adams says he plans to ask for more money from fema ahead of the expected lifting of title 42. but as the weather gets colder, the reality for care and the incoming migrants is changing. >> we see people arriving in t-shirts and still sometimes even in flip-flops, and they don't have proper winter clothes. we have little kids, babies,
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showing up wrapped in a blanket and a diaper on, no winter clothes. that is a huge challenge. >> reporter: robert gonzalez worked with a new york based group venezuelan alliance for community support, working to connect with social service, mental health, and more. he knows, while the journey here is difficult, an equally difficult one lies ahead. >> the ability to understand and to integrate to a new culture. they want to be able to grow up, like other people coming to the united states looking for that. >> reporter: rojas' husband is now working. but since they got here in july, a baby later, they've been in shelters, still in one now, trying to endure. i asked her what she wants for her future here. [ speaking non-english ] trabt. >> translator: we're waiting for the year tend to to put in
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citizenship papers to get legal, to get work. we're taking english courses. we're in this process to bring our family, the kids that stayed, to build a future here. >> and omar jiminez joins us now. the system is so broken that it takes so long for their hearings to actually occur. it can be -- they have to apply within a year, but it can be three to five years before it's actually adjudicated. and even if all that time they're not allowed to work. >> you can imagine how hard it is to plan knowing that the stakes are this could get ripped away from you at any moment. so, she -- as we mentioned, her husband has found a job as i construction worker. but she is now dealing with two kids at home or a shelter. both of them say they plan to file for asylum in the new year, which they can do, as long as they do it within a year of being here. she really says her goal at this point is to try to find what her future school is going to be for her 3-year-old. she had to leave her oldest kid
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back in venezuela, so she's trying to establish a base here to maybe get him here one day. on the buses that have been sent from texas to washington, d.c., chicago, and here in new york, one official briefed on new l ae demand for legal services, winter clothes for migrants who are not used to this weather. but this could get much more intense with the expected lifted of title 42 next week. joined now by henry cuellar, whose district lies on the border with mexico. i appreciate you being with us. >> well, i do agree with the stay in mexico, the protocol. but i think we need to do more to protect those individuals to stay there. you could always think outside the box and bring the u.n. commission that can come in and
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give them protection if they need that protection. but the question is this. you know, why can we not have people do asylum in an orderly process? and i'm hoping that the administration will come up with a rule that they've been talking about. don't know what they're going to do. i don't know that they have the fortitude to do the right thing, with all due respect. but what we want to see is people, if they want to apply for asylum, do it in an orderly process and don't just come across in ports of entry. >> what would that look like? that makes sense on paper. the system that exists is insane that people can just cross over, say they want asylum, and it takes years before a judge actually rules on that. i mean, that makes no sense whatsoever. obviously what is the solution? >> well, i mean, look, you know, the bottom line, some concessions have to be made. some of them are going to be a
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little uncomfortable, but the administration needs to make those decisions. that is, if they have to return some people and say, go back and follow the right way to do this and then go through a port of entry, then go ahead and do that. the problem is that, you know, the signals have been sent off. and what we're seeing -- all they have to do is look at the images that they're seeing on cnn right now down in south america and other places, and they know the border's open. they are returning people under title 42. but you don't see any strong images of people going back. if you'll recall, in 2014, secretary jake johnson under president obama did the right thing. he treated people with respect, dignity, and compassion. but at the end of the day, he showed images of people being returned. because right now we don't see any images of people going back. we just see the images that are playing on the screen right now
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of people coming in. so, it opens up the pipeline for more people to come. i was briefed just yesterday that there's about 50,000 people or so waiting for title 42 to go away. and if it goes away, next week should be very chaotic. and it's already chaotic, with all due respect. >> but, i mean, unless congress does something, i mean, obviously there's immediate things regarding both these policies. but unless congress does something legislatively, there's no end in sight to this. >> well, keep in mind 2014. jake johnson had the same loss that we have on the books right now. and he was able to do things -- and i agree, i mean, congress should pass a workers plan. we should have all that, full immigration reform. i agree with you 100%. but keep in mind that the obama administration used the same
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things that we have right now without even title 42. and they were able to control it when we had the large surge. i mean, we've seen surges before, but they've been in cycles. this is a little different because this surge has been at a high level, and it hasn't stopped. and it seems like it's going to continue to grow. >> congressman kquay yar, i appreciate it your time tonight. thank you. still to come, the white house pushes back on russian threats. we also have a report from ukraine on the fighting there. and later an on the ground report from louisiana on the tornados that ripped through the state killing three, including a child. it was just so easasy to find a car within my budget. i'm just happy i was able to pickck this baby. good on ya! we'll drive you hahappy at carvana.
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plans to send plans to ukraine. russia has launched 41 missile attacks plus 32 done drone attacks in just the last week. >> reporter: anderson, even before an official white house announcement on patriot official defense systems coming to ukraine, the russians, when it be the embassy in d.c., or the kremlin are quickly responding. the kremlin saying there would be consequences if the patriots arrive on the ground in ukraine. the patriots said they would become targets. what the ukrainians have been saying for months or even years now is that they need these weapon systems to defend against the power infrastructure that is designed to inflict suffering on millions of people across ukraine, who are living in the dark and the cold right now. certainly that is the situation for those who remain in kherson on the front line to the south.
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that city, which was occupied by the russian, is now a target of constant onslaught of shelling that has not only killed people and destroyed much of an administrative building, but has also disconnected that city from its power grid. in donetsk to the east, there's also been fierce fighting. the russians trying to take back the city of bakhmut and the ukrainians firing rockets at the russian territory. now, cnn can't independently verify all the claims of russian backed authorities, but social media videos have emerged showing buildings on fire. russians claim a cathedral was hit, commercial and residential buildings were hit, a major intersection that was set ablaze. in the economist, ukrainian officials think they could be planning an attack on kyiv next year. the russians and ukrainians have used information for their
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advantage and sometimes misinformation deliberately put out there to try to throw off the other side. but that said, the head of ukraine's armed forces said to "the economist" that russia may be preparing 200,000 fresh troops and will make a move on kyiv at some point. another reason lots of training and preparation is needed by the ukrainians. but they continue at this moment to fight on the front lines, hold tliens, and prepare for whatever might be coming down the road. >> perspective from general mark he hurtling. you heard the report from will. why do you think the patriots are issuing these threats? >> they don't want the patriots inside of ukraine any time soon, anderson. they know that would be a capability that would counter any long range strike capability that the russians have. and what i'm talking about there is they have been launching multiple salvos of missiles and
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rockets from long-range bombers that are outside the area of operation. so, they know that these patriot systems not only have a greater altitude to strike targets in the air but a longer range. they can not only hit incoming missiles with different types of ammunition, but they can also hit these long-range bombers. so, it causes the russians to go further out. this is all part of the defensive capability of ukraine to continue to push the russians back so they don't continue to strike the citizens of the country. >> a spokesman for the pentagon today said, quote, we're not going to allow comments from russia to dictate security assistance we provide to ukraine. do expect them to deploy patriots given just the cost of the systems itself, the cost of each individual patriot missile, millions of dollars, to hit a drone that you said can cost, like, $20,000. >> well, they won't be hitting
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the drones. to answer your question first, anderson, i'm sorry. yes. do i expect them to deploy some of them? yes. do i expect them to be on the ground and operational within weeks? no, i do not. because i know it takes -- you're not going to have americans firing these systems inside of ukraine or maintaining them or repairing them. they have to teach the ukrainian soldiers to do this. and as we've talked so many times before, this is a very complex system. but these kinds of missiles won't be used against these drones. they'll be used against those longer-range and higher-altitude targets, which will allow ukraine to shift some of the other low-altitude, mid-altitude air defense systems against the drones and the incoming rockets. so, it just gives something a new type of ammunition that ukrainians can use in their bag.
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we're facing a situation now in warfare. i'm going to simplify what will just said. warfare is made up between constant shifting of offense and defense. forces are either in the attack or defense. russia is attempting to go back on the attack. they haven't been able to do it. they've been on the defense for about two months, while they've been hitting ukrainian civilians with rockets. but they want to go back and regain territory for a variety of reasons. ukraine wants to continue with their offensive, but the offensive operation takes a lot more people and a lot more logistics. so, it's going to be extremely difficult for both of them to transition ukraine into more attacks, russia into attack to gain more ground. they're going to try to put ukraine on their back feet by attacking in different directions. >> retired lieutenant general mark hurtling, appreciate it. now to the texas investigation on the police response to the shooting at robb
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elementary school. shimon prokupecz has new information on the actions of two top law enforcement officials who were on the scene. shimon, what have you learned? >> reporter: right, anderson. those two top law enforcement officials, certainly two people we have been reporting on for some time now, most recently the uvalde police lieutenant, now former police lieutenant mariano p pargas. what we're learning is that investigators have become particularly troubled by some of his actions on the day -- or inactions on the day of the shooting. and also the former school police chief, pete arradondo, those two individuals seem to be the ones who at this point are raising a lot of concern for investigators over their inaction. of course mariano pargas, who we reported on, is seen leaving the scene, leaving the area of the classroom. we also reported that he had information about a 911 call
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from kids trapped inside that classroom. and according to investigators failed to take any kind of leadership role. and of course the school police chief, who has been labelled the commander on scene that day. and of course scrutinized by many in law enforcement over his actions that day. so, those two individuals are the ones that we're told certainly investigators have been troubled by. we've also got a chance to speak to the man that's been running this investigation, who's been in charge of this investigation, colonel steve mccraw. take a listen to what he told us today about the investigation. >> and one thing that's important is, i know people have talked about, what investigation? it can't be a criminal investigation. well, she's looking at criminal culpability for law enforcement officers. why should we not be judicious and as feral investigating law enforcement officers as we are subjects that aren't. >> and you think you've done
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that? your rangers, your investigators, you think have been doing that? >> absolutely. absolutely. and we'll continue to do so. >> so, she's going to -- the district attorney will be receiving your information within days or so. but for all intents and purposes, besides some follow-ups that may come down the line, you believe it's basically -- >> yes. >> -- the investigation is -- >> that's correct, that's correct. >> and now it will be her -- >> yeah. and if she finds gaps, we will continue to do those particular things. >> so, anderson, the part for the texas rangers, they are done. they are done with their investigation. now it's going to be up to the district attorney. the question is, does she convene a grand jury, or does she ultimately decide the next steps here? and that's what everyone is waiting for. >> appreciate it as always. coming up turmoil among republicans in congress as kevin mccarthy fights to become the next house speaker weeks from now. plus the warning to both parties
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scathing message to washington tonight from one of its own, republican congressman adam kinzinger is leaving office. he tore into both parties in his farewell speech on the house floor. while singling out the former president, he condemned democrats and his own party. >> instead of using our platform to advance the well being of our nation and our people, we've turned this institution into an echo chamber of lies. while overseas, i witnessed the dangers that radicalization of beliefs can have on people in iraq and afghanistan. sadly, since coming to congress, i've watched how republicans and democrats have weaponized fear in much the same way.
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we all swore an oath in this very chamber to support and defend the constitution of the united states, not a political party, and not a single man. to my democratic colleagues, you must too bear the burden of oour failures. many of you have asked me, where are the all the good republicans. over the past two years, democratic leadership had the opportunity to stand above the fray. instead, they poured millions of dollars into the campaigns of maga republicans. if you keep stoking the fire, you can't wag the finger when our experiment goes up in flames. we can't live the in a world where lies trump truth, where democracy is being challenged by authoritarianism. >> with us, maggie haberman, and our capitol hill reporter, melanie za nona. you heard what adam kinzinger said. he's the outlier when you look at the republican caucus in the
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house. do you think the former president's hold is still solid there? >> i think it's stronger than it would seem based on trump's own political fortunes right now, which are decelerating. i think trumpism has a hold on these members because trump's political base is still what elects these members in republican primaries. i think that trump has control over certain districts more than others. he is still a big factor here, and i think that's what kinzinger is battling against. >> and melody, what are the moderate house republicans threatening to do? >> they're getting worried about the prospect for chaos on january 3rd. you have a small ban of anti-mccarthy republicans threatening to take him down. one of those options, sources tell me, is to kick those members off of their committee as a form of retribution. for now they've decided to table that idea, but they are considering other options, including voting against a rules package, and also threatening to
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team up with democrats, work across the aisle, to elect a speaker if the gop can't decide. it's unclear if some of these things are going to work or if moderates are willing to follow through. it speaks to the tension and frustration and the anxiety that's running inside the gop, as mccarthy is struggling, lacking the votes to get speaker. >> and maggie, how aggressive has that been? how much political capital does he have on this? >> it's a great question, anderson. my colleagues reported the other day that trump has been making calls essentially to whip for mccarthy with some of these holdouts. trump intends to not spend a ton of capital in a hard sell if he thinks he might lose. i think he is aware that there's not a ton of reception to what he's trying to sell on mccarthy. what he's pushing with mccarthy is not something they are responsive to. if this was happening three months ago, maybe, but not right
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now. >> maggie, how serious is the president's campaign at this point? i mean, he isn't out campaigning. i know it's early, i guess. but he's not out there doing stuff other than playing golf and being in mar-a-lago. it seems like he's holed up there. he announced a digital trading card he's selling for $99 a pop today. that was his big major announce. what is going on with that campaign? >> there are serious people on that campaign, i want to be clear about that. sue, chris, brian, they are serious people. he has been a serious trump adviser a long time. that doesn't mean trump himself is going to behave seriously. we have seen that over the course of almost eight years, and it continues. but his heart is just not in this, it seems, the way that it was previously. he does not seem, to your point, serious about what you have to do for a campaign. he teased this announcement yesterday, a major announcement. i was getting calls from people
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saying, is this about his campaign? is this about the speaker's race? is this about something significant politically? and it was about another sales job for something he can pocket personally financially. he may get serious in january. i keep hearing they're planning events for january, lower key than rallies, maybe some rallies, but we're not there yet. up next, torrential rain, snow, and ice in the northeast in recovery mode after the same storm system spawned 50 tornados across louisiana and the southeast. what residents are facing there tonight when we continue. the holidays were awkward for romeo and juliet. ♪ thankfully, amazon had jt the gift to bring the families together. ♪
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that deadly storm system that triggered tornados in the southeast that we showed you last night is expected to bring heavy snow, ice, and rain to tens of millions of people. heavy snowfall expected in pennsylvania and new york, the carolinas up through new england. that's after dozens of tornados left a path of destruction in louisiana, where at least three people, included a child, have died. derek van dam has more on the
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severe weather. >> it's about a mile and a half stretch that is completely just inundated with destruction. this is not the place where we normally have tornados. >> we're used to hurricanes, never a tornado. never a tornado. >> reporter: but it was a tornado that did this damage in louisiana, cutting a large swath across the city. >> all you could hear like a freight train. and you hear things just tearing up, glasses cracking everywhere. it was just horrible. >> reporter: the home where sigma lawrence lived had just been repaired after hurricane ida. >> then this happened. it was the most devastating thing in my life. i had never experienced nothing like this before. and it happened so fast and it just tore up everything in the neighborhood. >> reporter: hers just one of the communities battered by an outbreak of more than 50 reported tornados in the last 48 hours across the deep south, leaving deep scars in louisiana. roofs ripped off, homes
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flattened, trees splintered, power poles ripped from the ground. the outbreak blamed for at least three deaths. >> quite frankly, i am amazed that we didn't have more loss of life in louisiana than we have. i'm very thankful for it. >> reporter: the damage spanning seven states from texas to florida, as it marches east ward bringing heavy rain and possible tornados to the sunshine state, concern now growing up the eastern seaboard as a nor'easter could bring up to a foot of snow to new england, and heavy rain across boston and other cities. >> bring it on, mother nature. let's keep at it. >> reporter: while back down south, residents left to pick up the pieces after this wicked start to winter. >> meteorologist derek van dam joins us from louisiana. any indication yet how powerful this tornado was? >> reporter: yeah, the national
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weather service came to survey the tornado damage you see over my left shoulder and they called this an ef-2 tornado. that's winds of up to 135 miles per hour. now, that's equivalent to a category 3 hurricane, anderson. you're familiar with hurricane katrina. so are the residents of this area. it actually approached the gulf coast as a category 3 as well. but of course the difference here between a hurricane and a tornado is that a hurricane can cause damage over hundreds of miles, whereas a tornado is bit more of a localized experience, taking out houses more city block by city block. >> and this is not the first tornado strike in the new orleans area this year. >> reporter: yeah, you know, in fact i was here in march of this year. so, we're talking roughly ten months ago. my team and i were covering an ef-3 tornado that literally had a similar path to the tornado that caused the destruction you see behind me.
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they literally crossed paths in airaby, which is just a couple miles from where i'm standing right now. people here are used to hurricanes. they prepare for hurricanes in new orleans. they're not used to tornados necessarily. so, with this happening two times in less than a year, they're wond erg, hey, is this our new normal now? >> derek van dam, really appreciate the coverage. thanks so much. coming up, new details in the investigation into the murders of four university of idaho students and one of the victims' moms had to say about the police response. that liberty mutual customizes your home insurance, here's one that'll really take you back. it's customized home insuranance from liberty mutual!!! only pay for what you u need. ♪ l liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ dupixent helps you du more with less asthma. and can help you breathe better in as little as 2 weeks. dupixent is an add-on treatment for specific types of modere-to-severe asthma that's not for sudden breathg problems. dupixent can cause allergic reactions that can be sere. get help right away if you have rash, chest pain, worsening shortness of breath,
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career, family, finances and mental health. -happy birthday. -happy birthday buddy. well, it can. national university. supporting the whole you. it's been more than a month since four university of idaho students were found stabbed to death. still no suspect in custody and no murder weapon found. there is growing frustration with investigators over the lack of details released. today the mom of one victim spoke out about the day shea found out her daughter was killed. >> there was nothing you could do. absolutely nothing. just running around for hours not knowing what was going on, what happened. because we found out by people calling us. and the sheriff showed up about
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three hours later. >> when you saw the sheriff did you know? >> yes. and i had said that. i said, it's not real until the sheriff pulls up. >> her mom had a lot more to say about the investigation. >> it is sleepless nights. it's feeling sick to your stomach. >> reporter: a mother in anguish, her 21-year-old daughter one of four university of idaho students stabbed to death in their off campus home more than a month ago. sharing her frustration over what she says is a lack of direct communication with police. one example when law enforcement reached out to the public for information on a white hyundai seen near the crime scene. you found out about the white car from a press release. >> yes. >> reporter: did they send you the press release? >> no. >> reporter: moscow police disagree telling cnn they sent the release to the attorney adding the police have been
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trying to communicate. the family and their attorney said they did meet with police on monday. >> we are pro police. >> reporter: they also want to hold authorities accountable for what they say is a lack of information. >> trust has been the theme. trust us. we're making the right decision. trust us. well, you know, that only goes so far. >> reporter: throughout the investigation, police have said they're making progress and they're not releasing developments to protect the investigation. >> the time will tell whether that was a wise decision or not. i would be more concerned about catching the individual than i would be about preserving the case. >> reporter: either way, a void of communication has made it hard for the community to move forward. some are still fearful. which is why christopher schwartz started offering free self-defense classes this past month at his studio. >> with the fears people are having, it was only right to offer it. >> reporter: the demand for the classes so overwhelming all of
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the spots filled up within 32 hours. as students leave town for winter break, police remain hopeful potential witnesses come forward. >> i think people all over america and students here at the college, the university, they'll still be thinking about this and able to provide information if they still have it. >> reporter: something a grieving mother holds on to. are you confident the police are going to solve this crime? >> i have to be. >> veronica joins me now. what is the latest from investigators on the search for the car they think is related to the case? >> andersson, police say there are 22,000 registered white hyundais in the area that match the specific description of what they are looking for. that is a lot of information to go through. they say they are parcing through all of that data and that tips and leads have led them to discover patterns. it is through those patterns that they found that car. they believe that whoever was inside the car has significant information that could be
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valuable to this case so they want to speak to them and are asking for more information about whoever was in that car or possibly surveillance video related to that car. it is really the most significant clue that we have received as the public through the police, through this investigation over the last month. i think that's why you hear such frustration from the family because outside of this there has been such little information but, of course, police continuing to reiterate they're keeping things tight in order to protect the integrity of the investigation. anderson? >> veronica miracle, appreciate the update. thank you. up next can the republican party win in 2024 without the former president? the gop governor who just won a fourth term opens up to cnn about that and another republican getting a lot of attention. want to deal with thisis. oh, you brought your luggage to the airport. that's adorable. with shipgo shipping your luggage before you fly you'll never have to wait
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tomorrow night cnn brings you extraordinary access to a rising republican star new
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hampshire governor chris sununu offering candid assessments about some of the biggest names in his party as it searches for a way to win back the white house in 2024. our dana bash will bring the in depth interview to you tomorrow night and joins me with a preview. it is fascinating. governor sununu talked to you about a very serious health scare he recently had. >> yes. it is not something you would expect from somebody as young as he is. he just turned 48 but he almost died and we talked about that in the context of how it changed his perspective on things. >> i thought i had covid. i was exhausted all day for about a week. i thought you know, the holiday weekend, labor day is coming up. i better get checked out. sure enough i had been bleeding inside all week. i had a bleeding ulcer. i only had about one-third of my blood levels the way they should be. they had to start the transfusions immediately. i thought i had the flu or covid and the next thing i know i got four transfusions over a period of 24 hours. they saved me.
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it was great. >> saved you. >> yeah. they said ultimately you probably just would have fallen asleep and not woken up and you would have never known because i was bleeding out potentially. it was kind of scary. i'm 47. i like to consider myself 26. >> 47 is young to have health scare like that. >> it is. so you got to manage your stress. everybody does. >> you know what ulcers tend to be from, right? >> i know. like it's a stressful job. we had just come through the covid pandemic. i think we did great. 24/7. >> it affected you physically. >> yeah. >> anderson, he says he has changed the way he eats. he doesn't eat as much red meat. it is what the doctors told him to do. he aspires to have the tom brady diet. i don't know if you know it is a very limited diet. he says it is an aspiration. when he is sitting home at 10:30 at night eating cookie dough he realizes it's probably not what
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tom brady does. >> i have that, too. what did the governor tell you about his future for the republican party and the former president's place? >> this is a big reason we wanted to spend time with him. he is a relatively young republican governor in a purple state. very important first in the nation primary state as of now. it is a party at a crossroads. he has a very specific vision for going forward. number one is, you know, enough with the extremism and the election denialism. he said something that seems so obvious. it was remarkable to hear a politician. he said just be normal. just try to be a normal person. it is amazing how much you can connect with people. he is a conservative fiscally, more liberal on social issues. but to hear him talk about that and talk about the fact that he really wants to try to fix the republican party which he admits is broken is really interesting given where it i