what did the governor tell you about his future for the republican party and the former president's place? >> this is a big reason we wanted to spend time with him. he is a relatively young republican governor in a purple state. very important first in the nation primary state as of now. it is a party at a crossroads. he has a very specific vision for going forward. number one is, you know, enough with the extremism and the election denialism. he said something that seems so obvious. it was remarkable to hear a politician. he said just be normal. just try to be a normal person. it is amazing how much you can connect with people. he is a conservative fiscally, more liberal on social issues. but to hear him talk about that and talk about the fact that he really wants to try to fix the republican party which he admits is broken is really interesting given where it is right now. >> i think a lot of people just

want normalcy. catch the premier of being chris sununu tomorrow night 10:00 p.m. eastern right here after "360" on cnn. tonight a special royal revelations starts now. ♪ good evening everyone. this is a cnn tonight special. "royal revelations." in the hour ahead we're going to examine the media phenomenon that is the netflix documentary called "harry and meghan." why is it the most watched documentary debut ever for netflix? why have people around the world watched more than 81 million hours' worth of this? is it because of all of the blockbuster accusations in it or do we all just like to see good looking people struggling behind the scenes?

maybe we relish royal drama. maybe everyone is hungry to hear what harry actually says to his brother behind closed doors. how is it going over in britain? we'll find out. what does buckingham palace think about it? we'll find out. maybe the phenomenon is we're all suckers for a fairy tale or vipers for a fractured fairy tale. really i have so many questions. whatever it is, something is going on with the popularity of this. maybe it tells us more about ourselves than about harry and meghan. i'm joined by guests here and in london, all of whom have a lot of opinions about this. they'll also share new reporting on what we've seen so far and the final episodes that dropped at 3:00 a.m. let's begin with "harry and meghan" in their own words. cnn's royal correspondent max foster has that. >> good morning. it's 6:00 a.m. on the 14th of march. and we are on the freedom

flight. we are leaving canada and we are headed to los angeles. >> reporter: harry and meghan making blockbuster allegations against their own family and what goes on behind palace walls. >> everything that's happened to us was always going to happen to us because if you speak truth to power that's how they respond. >> reporter: in the final episodes of the couple's netflix docu series, harry says he was being blocked from meeting the queen to discuss his future. >> once we were back in the ukraine i rang her and said i'm told you're busy. she said i didn't know i was busy. i've been told i've been busy all week. i was like wow. >> reporter: by this point the couple decided to step back from royal duties issuing a statement to that effect. that triggered a showdown with william, charles, and the queen. >> it was terrifying to have my

brother screaming and shouting at me and my father say things that simply weren't true and my grandmother quietly sit there and sort of take it all in. >> reporter: the couple sharing their perspective on the royal rift, which in their words, pushed them out of the fold. it started during their tour of australia back in 2018. so successful it created jealousy in the palace, they say. >> the issue is when someone who is marrying in should be a supporting act is then stealing the lime light or is doing the job better than the person who's born to do this, that upsets people. it shifts the balance. within four hours they're happy to lie to protect my brother and, yet, for three years they were never willing to tell the truth to protect us. the saddest part of it was this wedge created between myself and my brother so he is now on the institution side. part of that i get. i understand.

right? that's his inheritance. so to some extent it is already ingrained in him part of his responsibility is the survivability and continuation of this institution. >> reporter: meghan says the stress of the media coverage was too much. last year saying she didn't want to live any more. >> it was like, all of this will stop if i'm not here. and that was the scariest thing about it. is it was such clear thinking. >> i remember her telling me that, that she had wanted to take her own life. and that really broke my heart. because i knew, well, i knew that it was bad. but to just constantly be picked at by these vultures just picking away at her spirit that

she would actually think of not wanting to be here. >> reporter: she also suffered physically because of the stress of the worldwide coverage and in british newspapers including "the daily mail" which published a letter she wrote to her father >> i believe my wife suffered a miscarriage because of what "the mail" did. i watched the whole thing. now, do we absolutely know the miscarriage was caused by that? of course we don't. but bearing in mind the stress that caused, the lack of sleep and the timing of the pregnancy, how many weeks in she was, i can say from what i saw that miscarriage was created by what they were trying to do to her. >> reporter: meghan says she took on her royal role with the best of intentions but she was warned from the very beginning by her private secretary that things wouldn't be smooth. >> there was this moment where our private secretary, she

worked for the queen for almost i think 20 years, and what she said to me was, it's like this fish swimming perfectly, on the right current, and then one day this little organism comes in and the entire thing goes -- what is it doing here? it doesn't look like us. it doesn't move like us. we don't like it. get it off of us. >> reporter: the family's response? well, on thursday they showed a united front at a planned engagement. and the palace said they had no plans to comment on the series. max foster, cnn london. okay. our thanks to max for that. here to dissect all of this we have zayn asher and royal reporter richard quest and cohost of vanity fair's royal podcast. richard, you were growling during some of that package we

just watched. what is your beef with this? >> let us divide this into two aspects. >> all right. >> on the one hand we have the appalling way in which meghan has been treated. she was in an impossible situation and absolutely my sympathy with her is a thousand percent. she could never do right. >> why don't you stop there? that is all we need to know. >> how simple it would be for you if we did but that is not what this is about. because then you've got what william -- well what harry talks about is the institution. he then goes on to start laying it on with a trowel and a spade in big, thick measure. and before long you've conflated the two so you can't really see exactly what we're talking about. and then you throw in the media which are truly appalling. >> the papparazzi in britain. i mean, that is one of the

things in my eyes were open to is the atrocious treatment from the papparazzi in britain. >> they all do. >> that is not good enough, richard. just because they all do. >> and the uk has a commission after the phone hacking scandal and nothing has been done about that. i agree with you on that. but we are talking here about this docu series, which lays out in excruciating detail all the details of what happened. >> not a fan i take it? go ahead. >> here's the thing. i was heartbroken watching this documentary. and the reason is because in november, 2017, when i found out -- i remember i was scrolling through my phone and i found out that meghan markle was engaged to prince harry, i was on my way to work. i went back into my apartment, closed my bedroom door, and i

just danced. i danced and i danced. >> why did you have that reaction? >> and i danced. because for me, as a black woman growing up in the uk, i'd only -- i'd always felt as though i had only half belonged. right? i never felt as though being somebody of african descent i was ever going to be truly part of the fabric of what makes up english society. and here we are seeing a black woman, somebody that looks like me, marrying into the most powerful institution this world has ever known. and for the first time in my life i thought, maybe i got it wrong. maybe i belonged more than i thought i did. maybe i do belong after all. and i walked from my apartment. it was a 15-minute walk to cnn. i walked the entire 15 minutes with my head held high because a black woman was marrying into that family.

i remember there was a photograph, i'm sure everyone saw it, after the wedding it was doria, meghan markle's mother with her in-laws, a black woman with dread locks standing next to queen elizabeth not as her subject but as her in-law. that photograph was monumental. for every black person in britain that photograph was monumental. >> that's powerful. everything you're saying is powerful. obviously we will have a lot of time to debate all of this but i do want to get you in, because from the american perspective why is this so globally fascinating? what is the phenomenon here? >> i think meghan has a very relatable life story. i think that one of the things that gets lost in talking about her is sort of how silly, you know, not too long ago i described her sense of humor as adorkable. this is the thing i'm seeing, greeting you the wrong way, for

a lot of americans meghan comes off a little too much but there is also something so purely, you know, joyful and in their best moments and i think there's a sense in which you, when you see something like that everybody wants to say, no. this cannot be real. this has to be an act. this has to be fake. what's going on here? and i think that for americans watching it, as a celebrity culture, like we have decided here we do not want to have a monarchy here. this is not something we are interested in as, like, an experiment in governing. we are seeing it through the eyes of, you know, the -- >> the fairy tale i think. >> and the special relationship. i think there is a sense that we like -- we like that the uk has maintained some of its ways that are different. >> of course. >> we like the way we're different. >> richard, hold that thought. all of you hold that thought. we have so much more to talk about. up next the view from london. the silence from buckingham palace is deafening.

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the latest episodes of the harry and meghan netflix documentary revealed details of their struggles with the royal family. they say their story is really a love story. listen to meghan reading aloud her wedding speech. >> but mostly i wanted to share a story. a story that i wrote about the man that i love and the way that we met. let's call this a modern fairy tale. once upon a time, there was a girl from l.a., some people called her an actress. and there was a guy from london. some people called him a prince. all of those people didn't fully get it, because this is the love story of a boy and a girl who were meant to be together. >> so people are tuning in by the droves to hear harry and

meghan's side of the story but we're not hearing from the new king or the prince of wales. joining me now from london we have cnn royal correspondent max foster and british journalist and broadcaster, great to see you both. max, why isn't buckingham palace responding to this? >> reporter: well, they are responding actually. yes, today they said they wouldn't be making any official comment but a lot of this is optics isn't it? we were told that the king and queen would be joining the prince and princess of wales at westminster abbey for the service she organizes. we have the wales arriving at the service but also charles and camilla arriving afterward. this is very clear messaging. all the cameras are there. this is a united front. not only that, this is a long planned engagement and is continuing regardless. they are attending regardless. and everything that happened they learned today in this docu series which would have been

deeply upsetting for everyone involved here particularly for william and charles. it speaks to what harry says is a problem with the institution, that people are expected to go out and perform like this no matter how they feel just as diana did and that is a problem with the system. but what you've got here is the rest of the family saying we're going to carry on with this. you haven't changed anything. >> how do you think this is all going over, this docu series, if britain? >> well, it is very interesting because max used exactly the right words. optics. so what you've got is the royal family capital "r" capital "f" keep up and carry on. meanwhile the nation is gripped. many of the papers led with this not just the tabloids. and i think ordinary readers are feeling intrigued, tinged with a touch of fatigue. this is a melange of soap opera, dynasty, tabloid culture, ancient, old testament, cain and

abel brothers versus brothers, fathers, mothers, grandmothers versus everybody else versus the fairy tale and then throw in greek drama and freudian impulses and something to do with mothers and sons and history repeating itself and capital "l" love and capital "d" death and everyone is just eating it up. not least of all harry and meghan themselves. i absolutely agree with some of the commentary saying, gosh. so this is what they're showing us behind the facade. they desperately want us to feel the pain, to know what happens, where are the cracks, where are the fractures, those immaculate, smiling faces, are they really shouting and screaming behind closed doors? >> now we understand why everybody is gripped. it's a melange of all of that you just described. max, if they were to respond verbally, which as you've said

they won't, what would they take biggest umbrage at? what do you think is making buckingham palace most angry? >> there will be specifics. things like did they protect meghan or not? i think they would feel they did. it was my experience that often kensington palace would come and express many of the views harry and meghan have felt that there was racist coverage, sexist coverage, xenophobic coverage in the media. they would do that. but, you know, other correspondents might have had different experiences. i think harry and meghan were right in the middle of it and do know what happened. there is a lot of truth to what they're saying. i think william would be very upset that conversations, private conversations have been exposed by harry, particularly the one at sandringham, the massive family showdown. william was shouting. i'm sure he was. i don't think we have any reason to doubt that. charles was lying according to harry. and the queen was just sitting there watching it all come in putting the institution first.

i think they would be horrified those conversations are out in the open and that is actually what is going to really do damage long term to this relationship, you know, wondering whether or not it can ever be fixed, because will william ever be able to trust harry to keep confidence on a personal conversation because he hasn't done so in these very intimate moments. >> there is another clip i want to play basically that meghan was not given a literal seat at the table for matters of her own life and future. here's that. >> imagine a conversation, a round table discussion, about the future of your life when the stakes were this high and you as the mom and the wife and the target in many regards aren't invited to have a seat at the

table. >> it was okay to me that they planned that so you weren't in the room. >> i mean, you can see why she would feel, why she would feel isolated or marginalized in that instance. >> yes. it's very interesting because what the royal family are saying to meghan is not you are not part of the family but you are not part of the business. what that meeting was, was a board meeting. it was like wayne enterprises or a large cement or concrete company coming together and saying, how do we do image management? they weren't thinking then in terms of oh, she is our in-law. she is our new sister. >> she's family. >> our new daughter. yeah. she's just a problem to be dealt with. and i can absolutely understand that sense of chagrin and exclusion and that is what makes

this so disturbing and so opaque at the same time. the terrible, festering sense of being betrayed. that is what harry and meghan desperately want us to understand which we never really will be able to understand. this is why they're so hurt in particular harry. not meghan so much. meghan arrived. she had an unpleasant experience and turned around and left quite quickly but the wound is in fact with prince harry. he really hurts because he feels his father and his brother intimately betrayed him because they are the ones who are supposed to have his back and know him best. >> you're not kidding. that is shakespearean. thanks to you both very much. great to get your perspective from london. richard quest, it won't surprise you, is scribbling frantically. we'll get back to that. meghan and harry slamming the british tabloids for the coverage of them. what is the truth? did the press cover meghan differently than kate? we'll take a look and show you

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one of the biggest bomb shels from harry and meghan is harry blaming the british tabloid "the mail" on sunday for meghan's miscarriage and the couple blamed the uk tabloids for what they say was far different coverage of meghan compared to kate middleton and the role that race played. here is more. >> i realized i wasn't just

being thrown to the wolves. i was being fed to the wolves. >> reporter: prince harry and meghan markle slamming the british media in the final episodes of their netflix documentary reminding viewers of the firestorm of headlines they faced while living in the uk. >> i believe my wife suffered a miscarriage because of what "the mail" did. >> the duke and duchess of sussex point fingers at "the mail" on sunday for publishing a private letter meghan wrote to her father. they say it was an invasion of privacy and they take aim at the many headlines containing racist undertones, like this one referencing meghan's rich and exotic dna. or this one about the duchess's upward mobility referencing her family's, quote, slave roots. or this, claiming harry's girl is almost straight out of compton. >> sadly racism is real to me now as it was three years ago. >> reporter: diane abbott is the first black woman elected to british parliament. she says she can relate to what the duchess of sussex was facing

from the british press. >> there is something about black women, i think, that some people in this country find particularly triggering. i don't know why. meghan came in to that. >> reporter: the backlash spilled over into things as mundane as avocados with headlines proclaiming the duchess's favorite snack is linked to human rights abuses. meanwhile, praising her sister-in-law the princess of wales for eating the same fruit. and to nail polish. the headlines criticizing her color choice as vulgar. >> it was almost as if they felt as women of color she didn't really belong in the british royal family. >> reporter: the royal couple says it was largely the treatment they received from the british press and the palace's refusal to do anything to help them that ultimately drove them out of the country. >> reporter: we have reached out

to "the mail" on sunday, its publisher, associated newspapers limited and the buckingham palace for their response. hold your thoughts for one moment. i want to bring in british american playwrite, novelist, critic, and broadcaster bonnie greer also a deputy chair of the british museum. it is undeniable. we show the headlines there. she did get different treatment than kate middleton. it is not even open for debate. furthermore when i watched this documentary it was the first time i really understood how much the papparazzi tormented them. i mean, swarmed them day in and day out. that is unsustainable. what else was she supposed to do? >> well, thanks for having me, and there are a couple of things here that -- maybe they have been touched on. first of all, this is a typical story of an american in britain, you know, at large. when you marry into a prominent

british family and you're american and this goes all the way back in history it's an explosion anyway. we have the sort of unconscious thought that we all speak the same language. we do not. so that's the first thing that happened. so someone can come into a room to an american who is british and make a joke that to the british people, they start laughing and to the american would be absolutely outrageous. we don't have the same sense of humor. and i think harry didn't orient her, for one thing. i think he didn't give her an idea of what she was walking into. she was marrying into the royal family not joe blog's down the road. this was going to be high profile, high media, all the way. then she comes in as a woman, she has a lot of stuff she is carrying with her, and she's not being prepared for it. some of us who are a black

american living in britain tried to reach her but we couldn't get to her. there was just a wall around her not only of the royal family but of people who just wanted to be next to her. we couldn't get to her to say, yo, sister, this is what is going to be happening. >> what would you have said to her? >> i would have said, first of all, the tabloids are like this. we don't have this kind of relationship in america with the press. they're in your business. they make up stuff about you. they pick sides. that's what they do. and if you are going to marry this man you have to be prepared for that because that is what is going to happen. and that they didn't prepare her for that, they didn't let her know this was going to go down, i'm putting it on harry. i'm sorry. because harry should have -- harry has had several people he was involved with who didn't stay with him. they were british. and partly it's because of the

tabloids. and i don't know why he didn't help her because i don't think he did. >> bonnie, hold that thought. >> because there is a way you orient people >> i think that is a really interesting angle. richard, why did she deserve that? she fell in love with somebody. why does she have to be chased around? she describes the story of six papparazzi sleeping in their cars outside her house to chase her 24/7. why does she need to deal with that? >> it's the way it is and if you don't like the heat you get out of the kitchen. >> she got out of the kitchen. >> which is what they did. oh, yes. she got out of the kitchen and then opens up a big restaurant on netflix cooking up a whole load of other things. let's just have a moment on this. if you talk about this, this is a couple that was so weary of press, publicity, intrusion, personal intrusion, that -- >> this is a mis-nomer.

richard, the papparazzi chasing you is different than doing a netflix documentary. >> but bonnie is right. there was nothing she could do about that. that is the way the tabloids are. harry should have prepared her arguably better. >> do you think you are allowed to tell him he doesn't deserve love? that is where this becomes so difficult and hard to deal with because i think harry, you see it in his eyes, he is looking at the camera and he says, i knew if i didn't do something like i would lose this woman. i'd already lost every person i've ever been with before. >> so they did do something. they left. they went to canada. everybody thought canada was going to be the place. then they moved down to the united states. >> they were reamed at it by the press. they were yelled at according to harry by the family. i think the issue here is they didn't, at a certain point when harry retired from the military maybe it was time for the palace to sit back and say, okay. perhaps he is just going to be on a different road. how do we help him make a life

where he is more happy. >> go ahead. >> there are only a handful of people in this world who truly understand what it is like to marry into this family. when you marry into the british royal family, you are essentially a private person but you are kind of public property. and from the moment you walk in, every expression, every time you tuck your hair behind your ear, every time you cross your legs, it is picked apart day in, day out by the papparazzi. that is unsustainable. prince andrew, i'm sorry, prince andrew was involved in a sex abuse scandal which by the way he settled. and even he, even he got better treatment than meghan markle. that, i'm sorry, i find very strange. >> i'm not sure i agree with you on that. in fact i will take issue on that in terms of the treatment of andrew post the allegations.

they were there. but to the issue here, of meghan and harry, first of all, they leave the country. >> yeah. >> then they do this interview. >> because they want to tell their own story. i don't see it as being chased by papparazzi. i see it as two different things. >> hang on a second. then he calls the king a liar. he says his brother screams. this might all be true but they also, harry also knows this is the one thing that the institution, which you're all seemingly happy to beat up on, but the institution is again. >> hold that thought. bonnie, thank you very much. we will be back with -- for you to finish that thought. everybody else to tell richard how wrong he is. >> bonnie, thank you very much for being here. from a fairy tale marriage to a docu series publicly detailing the split in one of the most high profile families in the world we'll trace the arc of the royal fallout, next.

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what does it mean? the duke and duchess of sussex. i like the ring of it. >> and a fascinating choice of titles that once again speaks to this idea of bringing the thousand-year old tradition, this monarchy that lasted for so long now being dragged into the 21st century. so here you have meghan joining the royal family, this liberal american joining a thousand-year institution and now the title, the first by the way, the first female to be the duchess of sussex. >> my gosh. that is wonderful perspective. i love the subtext of all of that. richard, don't you remember how happy we were that day, how loved up we were? it was so romantic.

remember? you were -- what happened? richard? >> what happened? i also remember this idea that was she going to drag the monarchy kicking and screaming forward and they were going to make it modern. but she wanted to do it on her terms. >> that's right. >> this is institution wasn't going to play that. as we look at the way, you know, the, you know, charles walked her down the aisle as she says at her request, we look at what happened, but there was no way. they were in an impossible situation and there was no way it was going to move as fast as she wanted it to move. >> that's fair. go ahead. >> part of the issue is i think when we are saying we want to make the monarchy more modern it means a lot of things. i have kind of come to realize that the thing that could make it more modern without compromising tradition is they have to be a little more like an actual employer-employee relationship. i think there needs to be a more

formal idea about what it is they're doing for the public. i think the way, it wasn't necessarily that she wanted things to change. she felt like she was being used. the institution got this good press from her wedding but they didn't actually want her, you know, they didn't actually want to back up the things they were saying or allowing to be said. >> what is the definition of modern? modernizing the monarchy? they weren't clear about that and nobody spelled it out. they did have different impressions. i just remember that day. obviously americans are suckers for fairy tales and i was that day. it was very romantic and i felt it was really special she was marrying into the royal family. of course i didn't know all of the subtexts about what would happen then. >> and i think one of the things that has really opened my eyes when she spoke in the documentary is really how much of a leaky ship it was within the royal household. you know, it is really impossible for all of these stories to come out about meghan

with such frequency, without the royal family, and not talking about the principles necessarily but the people involved in the monarchy playing some kind of role. yes, it is a family but it really is a family business. it is a money making machine. it is that part of it that is -- they have to protect that. >> i also want to get to one of the things in the docu series they talk about which is what harry has given up. harry has left his family and moved here. and he talks about what he misses. here's that. >> i miss the weird family gatherings when we're all sort of brought together under one roof for, you know, certain times of the year. that i miss. you know, big part of the institution that i was in the uk. i miss the uk. i miss my friend. i've lost a few friends in this process as well. i came here because i was

changed. i changed to the point of i had outgrown my environment therefore this was the most obvious place to come. you know, one of the places where i think my mumn was probably going to end up living potentially. >> richard, why are you -- >> because him talking about i miss having my family, i miss this and that. if he really misses that in the sense he wants to improve the situation you wouldn't have done the interview in the way he has done it there. you would have built the bridges when they were back there but it was too late by then. the contracts had been signed. let me ask you all a question. is there a sell by date for meghan and harry to keep telling us how awful they have been treated? we've heard it from oprah. we've now heard it from netflix. we're going to have the book in the new year. is there a sell by date? >> harry says in the docu series you have to finish the last chapter before you can move to the next one. i think there's a logic to that. what he is doing is also saying

eventually they're going to have to pony up with the charity work they say they want to do. i think if you've been paying a lot of attention to the times harry has been in public the last few years to some of the things meghan has done they've worked with jose andreas and world kitchen, they've done some pretty interesting work where all that was needed was some funds to make things happen for people and we're going to have to see them figure out how to turn that into an entertaining brand. >> i want to touch on what richard said. the reason why meghan markle and i guess prince harry continued to tell their story is because there is clearly a gap between how meghan markle sees herself and how the world sees her. and there is a very, very wide gap. obviously, she is attempting to close that gap. i think what i really admire about the fact that she is speaking out is that, and harry touched on this in the first episode or actually the fourth episode where he said, look. racism, paraphrasing, racism

isn't just a white police officer kneeling on a black person's neck on a street in minneapolis/st. paul. it is not someone screaming, i can't breathe. racism comes in so many different iterations. it comes in so many different shapes and sizes. and often times it can be very subtle. it can be extremely covert. the more subtle it is, the more courage it takes to speak out about it. and so i just think that this is a process of education for a lot of people especially for the british public. it is a teachable moment. people say to me, zain, just because i don't like meghan markle doesn't mean i am a racist. of course it doesn't mean you are racist but you have to look at the nuances. it is what i call shadow racism behind some of the coverage. i have to ask myself, what has this woman done? that headline, you and i were just talking about this, that headline where i can't remember which tabloid said it, but it was something like, you know, meghan markle's flowers at her

wedding, you know, princess charlotte had an allergy to flowers and meghan markle's flowers at her wedding could be responsible for, could have killed princess charlotte. what are you talking about? >> like they vilified her to that degree. >> so unfair. so unreasonable. and nobody has told me what this woman has done to deserve it. >> we have to go. >> even if you're right, why do this? >> i'm going to answer that. the expiration date you were asking about is i would say a month after prince harry's book. when he is done with the book tour then they can move on. that is my answer to that. all right. everybody stay there. i hope you're listening, royals. listen to this. the royal fascination spreading far outside of the united kingdom. why are americans so hooked on the royal family? we look at that, next.

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how is richard quest. richard are they entitled to that? are they entitled to the pink out by the paparazzi? >> yes, but it's like the hotel

california. you can check out but you can never leave. because he's right in a sense, he's born into the royal family >> threw no choice of his own. but the reality is once there the, paparazzi because you want to read about it, your viewers are enjoying hearing about it. and as long as we feed the beast the, beast will go after them. that is the reality. >> you can change reality. if you are the royal family, and they said layoff meghan. >> they did. >> how do you know they did? because she feels like she was never ever defended by them. >> interview if you listen to what max foster said earlier, time and again they were told to lay off. they were totally off diana, but we have the freedom of speech in the uk. >> we have it here to richard. >> oh yes but americans think they're the only ones who think there. we have freedom of speech, you can't tell the press they can't go cover. it may get going on about i want them to have in a garden.

oh and balmoral isn't big enough? >> they couldn't travel unencumbered. the >> rest of the family manages to go away, as there are indiscretions like the pictures of diana. but the queen managed four balmoral for six weeks every year. >> all that that. i want to bring in michelle turner right now, our dear friend in l.a.. i was good to see you. how can they have a more private life in l.a.? by the paparazzi surrounding them in l.a.? i >> think they do have a more private life. we weren't saying that we wanted privacy, we weren't saying that that's what we wanted we just wanted more freedom so i think they kind of live their lives. we do see paparazzi photos of them at the coffee shop and sarah barbara or whatever, but that's part and parcel to being a celebrity in southern california. you are going to see shots of them. for the most part, i think they do kind of move around

uninhibited. >> i think that's different than being chased. they had to have drivers who knew how to do evasive driving, just like diana. that's dangerous. of course harry's traumatize fanatics periods from what happened to his mother. richard let me ask you this to end in the snow. if they had done this documentary and just gone after the paparazzi and media in the uk and left the family alone, you'd be okay with? this >> thing got after them even attack the as institution for the way handled meghan, but revealing the private conversations within the family and then throwing up the smokescreen of how awful it was, again and again and again no. >> okay, well michelle sounds like they made the right choice now having a better time in l.a.. >> i don't know how anybody watches the documentary and the comes a way that harry wanted to be away from the family long before megan came into the picture. >> the reality is with harry's

smoldering embers of resentment, justifiable smoldering embers. and then you had megan who's an accelerant to those embers and we end up with what we've got. >> well then richard it should be happy with where they have ended up. michelle, great to see you. thanks so much for giving us the l.a. perspective. and thanks everybody for watching cnn tonight. our special royal revelations. we'll be back with more news in just a moment.

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