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welcome back to cnn tonight's. i'm alisyn camerota. you have no doubt heard there is a problem at the u.s.' southern border. politicians are pointing fingers and it's hard to know

what to believe. so cnn's ed lavendera went to see. officials say 2,600 people are crossing into el paso every day and title 42 is to expire which made it easier to send asylum seekers back to mexico and it's not just texas dealing with a mess at the border. in arizona the republican governor issued an executive order to use shipping containers to fill gaps in the border wall with mexico and now the justice department is suing that state to try to remove those containers. one democratic mayor in denver more than 600 miles away from that el paso border is calling for a state of emergency tonight to deal with the hundreds of migrants who have arrived in his city in just the past few days. joining us now is that denver mayor, michael hancock. mayor, thanks so much for being with us tonight. why is it a state of emergency

in your city? >> first of all, glad to be with you. i issued the declaration of emergency earlier today because we've seen a steady stream really over the last six days. we've seen over 472 people come to our city as we started to track the migrants after i activated our emergency operation center, just beginning to really stress our systems and really stress our financial condition in the city of denver. >> so denver can't absorb 472 people? like what's the problem? >> that's just where we have the surge. that's where we just started counting because we activated the emergency operations center. the reality is we have over 700 migrants and asylum seekers that have come to our city over the last several months and the reality is that while we're trying to take care of those and by the way, we know this is a challenge in cities all over the country in terms of our neighbors being unhoused, we are also trying to house those

coming to our transportation station in the city of denver. we simply can't do both. it's stressing our system. it's stressing our shelters in the city of denver. so we've had to open up two of our recreation centers, actually three, take them offline to our tax paying citizens to help those who are coming to our city as migrants and asylum seekers as well as to make public calls for assistance with our partners, our nonprofits and faith leaders. so it is stressing our system. it is a challenging time. what we saw was not the continued trickle. we call what we saw a surge happen where we saw anywhere from, you know, 60 to 110 people show up at one time in one night and that becomes a problem where we're trying to provide services to them. >> as you well know, there were some republican governors who were shipping migrants to other cities. do you know why there's been a surge in denver? >> i think a couple things. one, we are learning from the

migrants and asylum seekers themselves that they organize themselves through social media to come to a destination outside of their normal entry spot or their entry spot in el paso, texas, and they decided to come to denver, but they also told us there is some folks on the ground who suggested they come to denver. so as they boarded buses to come to denver, we started seeing them come in droves again, 60, 70, 110 at a time and that becomes a little too much. >> yes, understood. last very quickly do, you consider what's happening at the border a crisis? do you call it a crisis? >> it is a crisis. i don't know anyone who can look at that and realize we don't have a problem. i made a call today to the federal government, really challenged them and said it's time. this situation occurred way before -- it's been going on far too long in america where we don't have a sensible immigration policy. my call to them was again mayors and cities are bearing

the brunt of congress' inability to act, to continue to play politics and not do what's right in terms of sitting down and negotiating a policy around immigration that makes sense and once again, we have our cities all over this nation bear the burden of that inactivity. so we need the federal government to act to address this crisis at our border and to make sure we have a policy that makes sense for those trying to come in the u.s., but also to help those of us on the ground trying to make accommodations for those who want to come to this nation seeking freedom and opportunity. >> mayor hancock, thank you very much, great to get your perspective. >> thanks for having me. also tonight, a federal judge ruling the biden administration cannot end the trump era remain in mexico policy at least for now. the supreme court had given president biden the green light to end the program. it sent certain nonmexican citizens back to mexico for processing who entered the u.s. that is apparently changing. i want to bring in cnn

intelligence analyst john miller, democratic congressman adriano espia from new york and joe walsh. great to have you here. congressman, is this your fault? as the mayor was saying, why can't congress act? >> i agree with the mayor and as an immigrant, i agree we have not been able to come forward with comprehensive immigration reform. so it's a crisis at the border, but it's a crisis in the hemisphere, a crisis of democracy. most of the folks that are coming over are from nicaragua and from venezuela fleeing ruthless, thuggish regimes. you see what's happening in peru right now and you see the crisis, the environmental crisis in some countries that pushes people to look for some level of help. >> that's why it's getting worse. so why can't congress act? >> we should act and i'm not blame blaming one side

or the other. >> what's the problem? >> i think there have been sensible proposals at the table and yet this issue has been weaponized politically during the election to score points to, get votes, to point fingers. >> yeah. >> it's the wrong approach. we got to deal with this sooner or later. >> the congressman is right. alisyn,ing this a broken system. it's been broken for a while and neither side wants to fix it. >> so you're really saying they're that cynical that democrats and republicans don't want this fixed with what they're dealing with in denver tonight? >> i say this as a former republican member. you can demagogue this issue and scream and yell about this issue, you do well in republican politics. >> yes. what about democrats? democrats don't want to fix it are the? >> we put forward a proposal, a simple work permit for five years with the ability to renew

another five years. >> why did that not pass? >> d.r.e.a.m.ors is the simplest of all. >> john, obviously new york has had various issues. every city now is having issues. it's not just the border, but they're really having issues at the border. >> this is a multifaceted problem and definitely a crisis, but when you look at the politics of it up front, there was a lot of screaming about a republican governor in texas sending migrants on buses up to new york city and chicago. >> martha's vineyard. >> that was a governor in florida. >> that's right. >> then we learned when the city of new york is not the team down there from the mayor's office, that the el paso mayor was sending seven buses versus the three the governor was sending and he's a fellow democrat. that was a city just being

overwhelmed and they were saying where do you want to go? if you tack on top of that the idea most of these border crossings are facilitated by two major cartels in mexico that are charging between 1,500 to $4,000 a head for single travelers or more for families, when title 42 comes down, they're expect ing that to go from 170,000 crossings a month to over 200, that is going to be feeding more money and not the millions, in the billions to the cartels which isn't good for us because that's funneled back into the drug markets, it's a surround sound problem. >> so we have one minute left. what's the solution? >> the solution i think everybody has agreed here is that congress has to act. i mean this goes back to newt gingrich and ted kennedy coming up with a bill they just couldn't get across because even back then parties were too brittle, but we need to have a mechanism. we can't let the crisis overtake us. >> yes. what's the solution?

>> congress has to act. we have to secure the border and we have to fix our broken asylum system. >> congressmen, take this message back to congress. what is the answer? >> i start with dreamers. that's the low hanging fruit. we're willing to do border security. the republicans walked away from the table in the sinema/tillis framework. let's do dreamers. they work. they're nurses, teachers, own their homes, small business owners. they're americans except for one thing. they don't have that piece of paper. let's do that. >> all of these things are things most of the american people want. >> absolutely. i hear what you're saying. start with what should be easy. thank you very much for that conversation. next, elon musk claims to be all about free speech. so why did he just ban multiple journalists who cover him in

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just in tonight, elon musk banning multiple tech journalists from twitter with no explanation. the suspensions come just hours after twitter shut down an account belonging to an emerging competitor mastodon. the ban includes "the new york times'" ryan mack, "washington post's" drew horwell and our own cnn's donnie owe donie o'sullivan. >> we reported on elon musk talking about formerly the

world's richest man, world's second richest man, who runs twitter. he has taken particular -- >> umbrage? >> yes. he's been annoyed there's been an account that's been active for years now which tracks the movement of his private jet. >> you're not doing that. why did you get banned? too we reported yesterday how he shut that account down and tonight we continue to report on it. he is claiming on social media that i and other journalists shared the precise live location of his jet and therefore, that's why he kicked us off, because we caused danger to him. certainly in my case i didn't. we had just posted stories about what was happening, him shutting down those accounts, but look, i think the bigger issue here is, of course, this is supposed to be the guy who is the free speech absolutist, right? >> are you saying elon musk is saying something that isn't true? >> i think that seems to be the case. >> it actually goes further than that, john. he was touting i mean freedom of speech as his beacon, that

twitter would be a beacon of that until it comes to anybody saying something he doesn't like. >> there's a word for that. >> is it called hypocrisy? >> it might be called hypocrisy. first of all, ee mon musk's understanding of freedom of speech has been somewhat limited. there's no constitutional freedom of speech for a private company, never has been and as far as i know, never will be. his criticisms of twitter before were off base. it's his company. he can ban donie if he wants to. it's just wildly hypocritical. >> oliver, what is cnn going to do? >> i think this raises a big question about the future of the free press on twitter looks like. are news organizations going to stand by as the reporters are hastily banned without explanation? cnn is saying it's going to reevaluate its relationship with twitter based on its response it gets. the full statement says, "the impulsive and unjustified suspension of a number of

reporters including cnn's donie o'sullivan is concerning but not surprising. twitter's increasing volatility should be of incredible concern for everyone who uses twitter. we've asked twitter for an explanation and we will reevaluate our relationship based on that response, "and i think it's so important to point out twitter really relies on news. that's kind of the life blood of twitter, current events. >> and journalists and they're all on twitter. >> if you see news organizations staff are the to pull their reporters, pull their brand accounts, pull their content off twitter, that's going to be a real blow to the platform and make it less usable i think for the average person. >> doing my job here, play devil's advocate against myself, i guess. look, when trump got suspended, everybody pointed out that that was also a concerning thing for many people kicking off the then president of the united states regardless of the circumstances, but i have a

platform. i'm here talking to you on cnn. there are other social media platforms. the first amendment despite what musk and a lot of reporters does not actually apply to twitter. i think what is more concerning here is independent and freelance journalists all around the world, many of whom are covering maybe abuses and ongoing at musk's other companies, tesla, spacex. think about the chilling effect that might have because many journalists rely on twitter to get their work out there, particularly independent freelancers. >> furthermore, one of the things i think where the hypocrisy comes in is a lot of people felt hateful, violent speech shouldn't be on there because of personal safety. elon musk doesn't want his personal safety violate. he doesn't want people to know where he is. >> when it's about him, he doesn't like it. elon musk is a very successful businessman, a rich guy who bought a media company, but because he bought a media

company doesn't mean he understands a thing about the media business or about how this all works. i think he's just proving that again and again and again. l. >> if i may, i think we should say, he is actively smearing people like donie saying they effectively posted assassination cornets on him, obviously totally false. >> also the location of the jet is publicly available information. >> you're going to get us all banned right now. you got to be careful. >> i always thought i'd get banned for my bad jokes. >> that really adds another wrinkle to it. gentlemen, thank you. next, chuck schumer and nancy pelosi sit down with cnn and say joe biden should run for a second term as pelosi throws some shade at a certain former president. maybe she does an impersonation. we'll see.

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great things when we're together, when we embrace normalcy, when we embrace decency, when we embrace compassion. >> that was republican adam kinzinger and democrat tim ryan delivering their final speeches as congressmen on the house floor. with just days to go until the new congress we have a cnn exclusive for you. jamie gangel sits down with nancy pelosi and chuck schumer for their first joint interview and back with us john berman, congressman espiat and congressman joe walsh. let's listen to this sitdown over lunch with nancy pelosi and chuck schumer. they're talking about if they would like president biden to run again. >> this is the cnn poll that just came out that shows there's little appetite on both sides for a biden/trump rematch

in 2024. you're stepping aside. do you think president biden should step aside for a younger generation? >> i think president biden has done an excellent job as president of the united states. i hope that he does seek reelection. he's a person with a great vision for our country. he's been involved for a long time, so he has great knowledge of the issues and the challenges we face and he's the most empathetic president. he connects with the american people. the vision, the knowledge, the strategic thinking is all here. the empathy is from the heart and i think that he's been a great president. >> look at what he's accomplished. >> you think he should run again? >> yeah. he's done an excellent, excellent job. he runs. i'm going to support him all the way. >> john, i also don't let anything get in the way of me and my lunch, as you know. >> how many dozens of interviews have you done in a

diner before? i've never seen anyone actually eat during the interview. nancy pelosi is like i'm going to eat. i'm starving. there's food. >> back to the point, which is has something shifted since the midterm. has the momentum for president biden to run again shifted? >> he's got a better story than before the midterms certainly with the senate. democrats did lose control of the house of representatives, but not by as much as people thought. they gained seats in the senate. if the biden has continued to pass things that he wanted to pass. so i think nancy pelosi and chuck schumer are giving the natural response. you would not expect leaders of congress in the president's party to say anything but what they said right there. unless and until there's actually a democratic alternative, i don't expect you'll hear that from anyone in any kind of leadership position in the party. >> i want whatever sandwich she was eating. >> it looked like a burrito, frankly. i think the winds have shifted. biden's in really good shape and this is just the beginning

because my former political party now in charge of the house is going to just make a mess of things for two years and president biden is just going to sit back and point at that mess that the american people are not going to be happy with. >> two years are an eternity. we're two years away from an election. a month could be an eternity in politics. i think he's done a good job. we went through the pandemic and he invested as much in the infrastructure maybe as much as eisenhower did. gun control, dealing with the student debt. >> he has a legislative record for sure. >> when we have somebody working for us and they're doing a good job, what do we do because we don't like the tie they wear? we fire them? no. we rehire them. >> john, do you think in general americans like consistency and they're going to stick with the devil they know? i don't mean is he going to win. i mean at the end of the day do people feel more comfortable?

>> incumbent presidents very rarely lose. it doesn't happen often. i will say this. joe biden, i think it the world, especially the democratic world is looking at things differently as long as donald trump's in the race. as long as donald trump may or is likely to be the republican nominee, joe biden as the nominee is a different story, but if there's a generational comparison, then i think there may be a recalculation. they may get to the same place, but i think they will rethink things. >> okay. let's now hear from nancy pelosi and chuck schumer on donald trump's announcement. >> right now donald trump is the only republican who has announced. he could be the nominee. he could be president again. you've been through the first presidency. you've been through january 6th. what would it mean if donald trump was reelected president? >> i don't think it will happen. the american people have gotten wise to him. took a while, but they did. >> i don't think that we should talk about him while we're

eating. >> see? >> that's a funny line. >> that's a great line. >> but i think you disagree fundamentally with what senator schumer was saying. >> yeah. all respect to senator schumer, he's not of the republican base. he's still the king of the republican base until someone knocks him off. >> donald trump is. >> yeah. >> so you don't think the tide has turned with that. >> the tide is turning. i don't know if it's permanent. >> your thoughts? >> well, if you see the results in the last election, you see what we did in the senate and even though we lost the majority in the house, a tight margin unforeseen before perhaps at this level. i think he's done. i think trump is done. i mean again two years is an eternity. a month is an eternity in politics. >> yeah. i hear what you're saying. does the last experience inform your thoughts at all, which is a lot of people didn't take him seriously and then it became serious? >> oh, no, i get that, but

january 6th and a host of things, the accumulation of things and even though he has a base, it's not broad enough for america to come forward and reelect him. >> i agree with that. i think there's still a decent chance he gets the nomination. i don't think he'll ever be elected again. >> gentlemen, thank you, really interesting. more than a month after the murders of those four college students in idaho, the mother of one of the victims says she feels left in the dark by police. so up next, where the investigation stands tonight. llt know that if she owns a lifelt insurance policy of $100,000 or more she can sell all or part of it to coventry for cash. even a term policy. even

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it's been more than a month since the murders of four college students in idaho and police have yet to name a suspect. the biggest development was police asking the public for help finding that white hyundai elantra or information about it, but we've not heard of any other lead or what happened with leads on that car. now the mother of one of the victims is speaking out. let's listen to her. >> it's sleepless nights. it's feeling sick to your stomach. it's just being left in the dark. >> you found out about the white car from a press release? >> yes, yes. >> did they send you the press release? >> no. >> she's one of multiple parents speaking out this week looking for answers about their children. about being back with me is john berman, joey miller. i don't understand what is taking so long, but that white car i thought was linked somehow to the driveway of that

apartment, but it seems like it was just kind of spotted in the neighborhood. >> so the white car is a lead which is after doing the big video canvas and asking people what they've seen somebody come forward with a piece of video and deciding and says that car was in the area of the residence at the sometime of the murder and they want to know more about it, we don't really know if they know any more than just that because they aren't saying, but there's like 20,000 of that car between those years in that color, you know, in the area which includes the whole state of idaho. so, you know, without finding the car, they can do basically a batch dump of all the registered owners and cross that and see who has a criminal past. there are things they can get through, but us just a lead. >> joey, this mother i think is recognizing what i often felt when i was a crime reporter whichs victims' families think

the police are their advocates or are there for them, but, in fact, the police sometimes do a bad job of that. the police are trying to solve the crime and they're often insensitive to what the families need. >> but that's problematic, right? it takes a village and i think police, prosecutors and other law enforcement entities have to be sensitive to people who are really in misery and really grieving and doing other things. you want answers and information. yes, we have to understand and respect the fact that the police are busy, alisyn. they have a lot of work to do, but for families to learn about things on tv like everyone else, i think you have to be a conduit to the families, give them repeated and persistent updates, give them some senses of comfort you're doing your job and trying to bring some measure of justice to them. >> that leads us to the story of the missing american student in france. kenny deland, his parents haven't gotten any information. they don't know what's happened to their son. they find the authorities in

france not being terribly helpful. so they went on anderson last night. i think this is the sound from them. let's listen. >> i talked to the fbi today and i asked the fbi agent, you know, is there -- do you feel like there's any progress? what's the status? and i don't get anywhere. it just feels like the wind has gone out of the sail as far as what's being done to find my son, you know. the more time that goes by, the more worried we become. >> this is why parents do turn to the media and often it really helps. >> well, it can help in certain aspects, right? john, i think you can probably speak to this more than i can, but there are different constituencies here. the fbi is trying to solve the crime. that is their first, second, third, fourth and fifth interest in this case. they should have a better bedside manner. it's like doctors in the hospital. yes, their job is to save the

patient, but wouldn't it be nice if they did a better job talking to the families, also? it's a skill. it's not the primary thing they're doing there, though. >> but the parents are desperate for information. the fbi or police could at least just give them an update, here's what we're doing today? >> what if that would compromise the investigation? what if you're telling them something that shouldn't be made public or shouldn't be made -- you know, known? >> we have a completely different problem in france, though, which is the secret is the french authorities aren't telling the fbi anything. so the fbi has nothing to tell that family. the french are telling the state department that we are tracking and following the investigation full stop. we think he walked away of his own accord. he's 22 years old and a full-on grown-up. if he turns up anywhere, we'll get back to you right away, but they aren't doing a nationwide

hunt using all resources for this. that as we've circled back between these two stories is very hard for parents. the french are being very french about this, which is he'll be fine, and the americans are being very american about it, which is we want answers now. >> will it help interpol is involved? >> interpol is a clearinghouse for information. what will really help is that yellow notice that they put out which circulates this picture to every border crossing. so if he gets on a plane, if he crosses between one country in the eu and another, that should ring the bell this missing person is right here right now. >> it's about time they did that. the family's position was look, do something, right? we believe that our son is acting not in accord with how he normally acts and they're saying nothing to see here. he probably just wandered off. there's probably nothing amiss, nothing nefarious going on. that's a major disconnect between a family who wants answers and the french saying you know what and prosecutors agreeing he'll be back. don't worry about it. >> i also want to get in the

parents of one of the victims in the uva shooting because they're speaking out, also, and they want the public's help. so listen to this. >> we need to change gun laws, change them. we need more stipulations. the red flags there were and this young man was still able to purchase a firearm. >> we're here to advocate against gun violence and mental health issues. we're here to make sure another family will never, never go through this again. >> john, of course, they're right. the red flags were there, as she said, and yet he was able to purchase a firearm. >> you've spoken to so many of these families from so many different events and these parents have joined this growing club of people who have been so badly hurt by this and are now just crying out to the world for something, but their cries are like cassandra where they're crying out warning,

warning, warning, but no one's listening. >> yeah. i suppose this is what all parents say. all parents say the signs were there and they need to tighten up red flag laws. many states are trying to do that. the bipartisan gun law was trying to do that, but it always feels like afterwards we find out about the signs. gentlemen, thank you very much. john and john, you're not going anywhere. joey, thank you. because tonight the national archives released more than 13,000 additional documents on the assassination of president john f. kennedy in 1963. what will we learn after nearly six decades? why has it taken so long to make these documents public? we'll be joined by a presidential historian.

tonight the national archives releasing 13,000 previously classified documents on the assassination of president john f. kennedy, yet thousands of pages are still under lock and key 59 years after kennedy's murder. why and what's in those pages? back with me john berman and john miller and joined by presidential historian douglas brinkley, author of "silent spring revolution." doug, i want to start with you. might these 13,000 pages that have just been released reveal some new nugget that we didn't know about? >> well, people are hoping that might be the case, another piece to the puzzle of the great murder mystery in american history, but alas when we throw numbers 13,000, we usually find out that most of these are just sort of articles

or general observations, nothing really that exciting and what also is very disturbing to the public but isn't to a scholar is how much gets redacted. you know, our intelligence services, defense department, national security apparatus does oftentimes darken parts on a document and when that's not filled in, it just leads to conspiracy-minded people getting inflamed, but biden met his mark today. he got these documents released, but that's not going to be enough when there's still cia files and many documents still not declassified. so there's going to still be a drum beat where's the rest? >> but, john, if there's nothing in them, why have they been under lock and key more than 50 years? >> it's never going to be enough with this specific event, which was obviously such a jarring wound to the american psyche at the time, but it was the lack of transparency in those very early years that led to this doubt which i think will never go away. no people will never be

satisfied. if there is a complete release and there's nothing in there, then it will cause people to say see, they're hiding something. they didn't release the real stuff here. people just aren't going to believe it, but i think the original sin from this happened so, so long ago. what the cia is probably keeping now is the stuff the cia always likes. >> maybe or maybe there's something about lee harvey oswald in there, john. >> well, you look at what they released and the cia says we've now released almost everything we have and the redactions in these new releases are much smaller than the redactions in the old ones, but john is right. this was, you know, a generation that i grew up in and nobody given the choice, nobody really wants to believe that some schlump was solely responsible for killing the person that many regard as the most inspirational, charismatic president in american politics

since lincoln and there's got to be a better story. so if they release the next document dump and there's only two towards redacted, the conspiracy theorists will say the secret is in those two words. >> doug, is it possible there is some mystery that could be unearthed? >> yes, there is. most people feel some piece is missing. is it the chicago mob? was there a cia involvement that's been hidden? why was oswald -- what was he doing in mexico city? these things continue every year. there's some good new research that comes out, but alas, we're still left with the fact that lee harvey oswald is seen as the murderer of john f. kennedy and the rest is circumstantial, but the fact jack ruby was killed after oswald and the warren commission didn't do a complete and full job at the time, john berman rightly said there's never going to be

enough. we're never going to satisfy all people that want a definitive answer about this, but this may be a couple documents here might move the narrative forward in a small way and that might be enough for another book. >> doug brinkley, john berman, thank you all, great to have you. thanks so much for watching tonight. our coverage continues. imm. airborne. do more.

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