good evening. obstruction of congress, conspiracy to defraud the united states, and insurrection are the three criminal charges the january 6th committee may recommend the justice department pursue against former president trump when it meets likely for the last time on monday according to sources who spoke with cnn tonight. obviously it is a big day if and when that occurs after almost 17 months of investigations and public testimony. the committee spent almost a year and a half compiling evidence show casing their findings during often gripping, hours long public hearings this

year. obstruction of congress always at the forefront of possible charges. much of it centered around the pressure on former vice president pence to overturn the election as well as the pressure on the justice department. >> you also noted that mr. rosen said to mr. trump, quote, doj can't and won't snap its fingers and change the outcome of the election. how did the president respond to that, sir? >> he responded very quickly and said essentially, that's not what i'm asking you to do. what i'm just asking you to do is just say it was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the republican congressmen. >> evidence to support the second charge, conspiracy to defraud, was presented almost from the outset in the first hearing in what we should warn you is some direct off color language the committee played testimony by former u.s. attorney general bill barr one of many who said they repeatedly tried to tell the former president there was no fraud in the election. in other words the former president knew or should have known his allegations were untrue.

>> i made it clear i did not agree with the idea of saying the election was stolen and putting out this stuff which i told the president was bull shit. >> as for the third charge insurrection the committee cited testimony by rally goers as well as the president's own words to establish his culpability for the riot. >> he personally asked us to come to d.c. that day. i thought for everything he's done for us, if this is the only thing he is going to ask of me, i'll do it. >> we're going to walk down to the capitol. >> do you recall president trump mentioning going to the capitol during his speech? >> oh, yes. >> reporter: i'm joined by cnn's political correspondent sara murray. what have we learned about these possible criminal referrals? >> look. you laid out the three potential charges we are learning about. that may not be all. there may be more than that they refer to the justice department when it comes to trump. what we are really looking for is a lot of the underlying

evidence they put out to support the charges. some of those you laid out there like talking about obstruction, when we're talking about conspiracy. these are the kinds of things the justice department has pursued when it comes to the rioters who stormed the capitol that day. when you talk about something like insurrection that is a much more complicated charge so we'll be looking at what the committee lays out as evidence. what we're going to see on monday is what lawmakers have been saying separately as one voice from the committee. we've heard individually from a number of lawmakers who said they believe that donald trump committed a crime when it came to what happened on january 6th they believe he was culpable. and now this is their ability to really lay that out. again, this is largely symbolic. the justice department does not take its cues from congress but lawmakers have said they believe they found evidence crimes were committed and it may not stop with just the former president. they think they need to lay it out for the historical record and for the justice department. >> what do you know about what federal investigators got access to and what it might mean forthe january 6 investigation? >> this is interesting. a criminal court filing that just became public, we are

learning federal investigators have accessed e-mail accounts, more than a hundred thousand documents, and a book outline all pertaining to communications between republican congressman scott perry, former doj officials jeffrey clark and ken klukowski as well as attorney john eastman and gets into their discussions around the 2020 election. jeffrey clark was penning an outline for a book about his experiences around the 2020 election. we now know federal investigators have this. this is a wealth of information. it gives you an idea how deep federal investigators are going into this. the other thing, we are just learning about this now because a version became unsealed. but this is what prosecutors have been looking into months ago. that is something else to remember as we get going monday and as we hear what the committee has to say. prosecutors are already very far down this road when it comes to investigating donald trump, his allies, and what was going on in the run up to january 6th. i'm joined by our chief

>> political analyst gloria borger, john dean, and senior analyst. gloria, how significant would it be for a former president of the united states to be referred to the justice department for criminal charges? >> it is historically significant and meaningful because when you take a step back and think about what these criminal referrals are, they are saying, a former president of the united states, while he was in office, was effectively trying to orchestrate a coup, trying to fraudulently change an election, so he could remain in office. it is kind of remarkable. other charges, obstruction of congress of course, conspiracy to defraud the united states government. the fact is, however, and i think clearly this was referred to, is the justice department does not say, okay. this is what we're going to do. but this criminal referral is to say to the american public, this

is what we believe after our voluminous hearings and investigations and we are handing this material over to the department of justice. let the department of justice decide whether or if to charge the former president with any of these charges. so i think the justice department doesn't need to get up to speed. we have seen with hundreds of prosecutions of people storming the capitol they've already started in that sense. and they are clearly looking at donald trump and a lot of his could be coconspirators. >> elliott, does the justice department care whether they have a criminal referral? i mean it is not a real thing. >> you know, anderson, i'd go even further saying, talking about caring, i actually think a criminal referral gets in the justice department's way a little bit because it politicizes the work of the justice department even assuming congress is righteous in what

they're pursuing with the criminal referral there is still a partisan elected body. and even a bipartisan committee of congress is still a political body that sort of puts the thumb on the scale of the justice department. so imagine if then the justice department proceeds with charges that they would have pursued anyway, there is at least that question that they were spurred to do what they do on account of the act by congress. so it doesn't matter. again, as i've said on your program before, the justice department will proceed regardless of what congress does but it does put them in a somewhat tricky position of having to at least answer the question of whether their prosecution was political. >> john, when it comes to charges being considered, obstruction of official proceeding and insurrection and defrauding the federal government. if the doj were to pursue those how high is the bar in the court of law. >> of course it has to be proved beyond a reasonable doubt in federal court in a criminal

proceeding like this and that is the highest standard of proof. unlike this committee which is relying on hearsay on occasions, they have to get to the source of everything. they do have the tools at the department of justice to do that. something the committee doesn't. naturally they do rely on hearsay because they trust the source they're getting it from. what is going to happen at justice is much different than what happened at the committee but this committee is taking such an historic look at the presidency at such an important time, that i think their work is really going to be remembered long, long after monday. >> gloria, how does this impact, assuming the committee makes a referral, how does it impact the former president and his alleged presidential campaign? >> well if he were out campaigning he might be talking about it and claiming he were the victim but since he is not out campaigning very much i don't know how it will affect his campaign. we've already seen, anderson, in our poll this week, that 6 of 10

republicans, and he is popular with republicans, but 6 of 10 republicans are saying, you know, maybe we ought to think of someone else. this is just one more thing piled on top of lots of other things, the mar-a-lago investigation being one, for example, but i think republicans are starting to kind of look for somebody else. because they're tired of this. >> elliott, is there a sense for the justice department of a timeline? obviously we don't know the details of where they are at in their investigation. it seems to be ramping up. they will get all the information i assume once it is made public that the select committee has, so any sense of how long an investigation could go on for? >> the official answer is five years from the commission of the offense, the statute of limitations for most crime. that is how long they have

legally in which to do it. the problem is you just run into a political calendar and things change. for instance a new justice department could certainly stop or suspend any of these investigations that are on going now. certainly anything will take at least a year to get to trial or several months to get to trial. if you talk about an insurrection charge which probably isn't happening given how rarely it has been charged in american history it would take several months to a year to get to trial to begin with. so right there they are up against a bit of a clock. i would assume if charges are coming they would probably have to come pretty soon because folks working at headquarters of the justice department aren't dummies and they know they aren't blessed with unlimited time. >> when it comes to john eastman's e-mails what does the justice department look for there? >> apparently they are constantly finding new ones, looking to see what kind of advice he was giving.

did he know it was bogus advice? apparently there is some indication he did. that he knew it wouldn't survive in any court of law. so he was telling the president to do things that were not within the balance of the law. he was pushing examples that were really not good legal advice. he was actually a member of a conspiracy where he was not doing anything to distance himself from those illegal activities but, rather, trying to give the president a key to push his vice president to do what was conspicuously wrong. >> gloria borger, john dean, elliott williams, appreciate it. thank you. still tonight in this hour ukrainians trying to keep power on after a brutal day of missile strikes. we'll have a live report from odesa in the south. also a live report from the southern u.s. border and what some migrants are dealing with once they've crossed into the united states. supports cognitive health in older adults. it's one more step towards taking charge of your health. so every day, you can say... ♪ youuu did it! ♪ with centrum silver.

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intercepted. explosions were heard in major cities across the country. three people are dead after a missile struck an apartment building in one city. president zelenskyy says all targets are civilian especially power grids as temperatures dip in the country. you are in odesa right now in the south. you were in kyiv this morning. what's it been like today? >> reporter: so we were packing up the car this morning to drive here when the air raid sirens went off. i decided to go have breakfast. i'm sitting there. there is this cheerful christmas music playing and then a surreal moment because you got the cheerful christmas music, then this very large explosion you could hear near the hotel. then the lights go out. and yet the music kept playing and people who were in the hotel working just kind of kept going on with their jobs. it was incredible and really speaks to the ukrainian people and their resilience and also

the fact they've been living through this war for, you know, almost ten months now. there were 76 missiles fired by russia and 40 of them were aimed right at kyiv. they shot down 37 of them. there were three explosions in the city but the vast majority of the missiles were shot down. they don't even have the patriot missile defense systems yet. this is their existing older technology missile defense. really extraordinary. >> is it clear where the ukrainians think the missiles were fired from? >> they detected russian strategic bombers for the first time flying in the air space over belarus. belarus is really significant. we traveled there last week. because there has been a build up of russian troops in three different regions in belarus and putin is going to belarus to minsk on monday to meet with lukashenko his close friend and ally. they say the talks are to deepen

their partnership. in kyiv they are concerned and have been speaking publicly to the economists saying they are anticipating perhaps some sort of second invasion through the northern border early next year. that comes with the caveat both sides russia and ukraine have used misinformation at times to their advantage to try to throw the other side off. that is something we certainly need to watch closely in the coming weeks for sure. what is it like in odesa? >> it's warmer here so that is a bonus. they've been battered. they got hit today with the missile strikes as well. they were without power and 1.5 million people in this region were without power last weekend when i was here interviewing the foreign minister who talked about among other things his confidence that patriot missile defense systems would be on the battlefield here in ukraine at some point he said at the next stage. obviously there is months of training between now and then but for cities like this, like kyiv where people sometimes had to live for days without electricity or water in some cases, not even the ability to cook or take care of their kids properly because they're just shivering in the cold, they say

they badly need every weapon they can get to fight off this constant onslaught by the russians. >> be careful. appreciate it. thank you. a former defense department attache to russia, also the author of "swimming the vulga u.s. army officer's experience in pre-putin russia" and my guests, general, every time russia sends a wave of guided missiles to ukraine they are firing tens of millions of dollars worth of weapons. at the same time ukraine state energy providers activated their emergency mode after a 50% deficit in power. how much longer can russia keep up attacks like this and can ukraine's power grid continue? >> first of all, i think that the russians, some folks are a bit surprised. they keep having waves of cruise missiles and higher tech systems beyond their drones. they've got to be wearing out. they are coming down and when they do this, in my mind it signifies there is a -- they're

worried. this seems to in their mind work but, anderson, i go back and look at pictures of london in 1940 during the nazi air blitz. and while different view, same type of spirit and tenaciousness we see in the ukrainian defense and the perseverance of the population. the more the russians do this it is jufrt hardens the ukrainians and the defense across the entire population and this is something i think the russians don't get. it is punitive. russians are trying to make the ukrainians submit. i use that word submit. it's not going to happen. but it is tough and they need to be supported every way they can, the ukrainians. >> steve, when you see this wave of missiles attack what do you think? >> it's clear the russians don't

have a lot of military options right now besides just using whatever weaponry remains to them. this is a really important question as to how much they have left to just pummel the ukrainians. i agree with peter what they are trying to do is break the will of the ukrainian people. i also share his skepticism as to whether or not that will be enough. at the very least it is showing a domestic audience inside of russia that at least russia is doing something and doing something destructive and right now that is about all they have to offer to a domestic audience who might very well be wondering what exactly is going on over there? >> do you think there is anything that could make putin recalculate? >> well yeah. eventually reality will set in.

if he runs out of munitions he has to try to figure something else out. i think over the long run and peter might have something to say about this as well. i think over the long run what he is hoping to do is rebuild, retrain, try to restock his troops, try to get all of these conscripts, very few of whom have real experience, in some sense battle ready so that he can go back at it hammer and tongs over the winter and into spring. >> weeks ago there had been talks when there was ground fighting in the south, talks about these sort of waves of, you know, cannon fodder, ill trained russian troops just being sent out to try to overrun ukrainian positions. do you think that's what they'll try to do again? >> i think it is double edged. there is certainly an aspect of it. the word is getting out to these conscripts, several hundreds of

thousands, that this is a pretty ugly show in ukraine. and it's winter. winter is hard for anyone if you're poorly trained and not particularly well supplied with supply lines that are vulnerable to partisans, they're going to have a problem. but, they're undeniably, there are -- there are contract russian soldiers that are veterans. some are out training them. they will be better. they will learn. soviets learned in world war ii and ukrainians were part of that. so there is a lot more. but, no. i think that they can throw the man power, train them sort of kind of. they're going to get in there and it will still be a meat grinder like we're seeing in that verdund situation.

>> i mean, are patriot missiles a big solution for ukraine? we've had general hertling on talking about how expensive they are, and how many months it takes to train people to actually operate them. >> anderson, in isolation, maybe not. but it is part of the integrated air defense. any can take down a short range ballistic missiles like ss-21s or the rumor of iranian srbms coming in. so they provide that. they also can take out if it comes down to that, they have a level of almost 75,000 feet. if the russians were to commit and notably they haven't, there are aerial assets that are firing cruise missiles whether in belarus or out from black sea or whatever that they are a real threat to the russian high flyers because they can get low ground things but, yes. general hertling is right.

they are very expensive. you don't want a patriot shooting down a drone. >> appreciate it. thank you. coming up late breaking news in the immigration battle plus cnn talks to migrants who already crossed into the u.s. from mexico. former homeland security secretary also joins us to look at what the white house may do next. we're right back. i'd like to thank our sponsor liberty mutual. they customize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. contestants ready? go! only pay for what you need. jingle: liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty.

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now after just crossing into the u.s. >> reporter: it's 39 degrees and getting colder. this is roberto cordoba's first night sleeping on the el paso streets. he says he's never experienced anything close to homelessness. he left cuba last month and hopes to get to miami soon. >> he says this is the first time in his life he ever had to spend the night on the street and he feels completely lost. >> reporter: a thin pair of new york giants socks and unlaced shoes won't be enough to get through the frigid night. everything he is wearing now, the jackets and the heavy clothing, is donated from people who dropped it off here. roberto hopes there is something else to keep him warm in the back of sandra grace martinez' car. for days she has handed out donated goods. >> they are on survival mode. fight or flight for them. >> reporter: the long lines of migrants from jaurez, mexico waiting to get escorted into el paso by border patrol agents has

significantly dwindled. a sign that perhaps this latest migration surge has slowed down. for now. but that could change next week with the title 42 public health rule set to expire. that order allows for the swift expulsion of migrants at the border. as more migrants arrive in el paso officials plan to bring in more buses to move migrants to their destinations in the u.s. faster, hoping to prevent a backlog of people on these streets. >> so with that, it might bring in transportation in forms of buses to get them to the transportation hub. whether it is dallas or denver or phoenix or whatever that next large airport or bus terminal is, it's to move them on to those locations. >> reporter: el paso emergency management outreach teams are helping migrants find shelter space at night. but albert robles and his wife have been sleeping on the street, buried under blankets since monday night. their bus ticket to connecticut

isn't good until this weekend. >> he said the first night he was sleeping on the street it was drizzly and cold, almost like a fatal feeling. but he thought he's been dreaming of this moment for so long that there was no way he was going to turn back. >> ed lavandera joins us from el paso. we saw in the piece how the long lines of migrants has decreased. can you put it into context for us? >> reporter: the surge we've been talking about the last week appears to have waned because the line you saw, that we've seen over the last few days that was hundreds of yards long, quickly disappeared early this morning. what does that mean? that means a lot of those people have been brought into the u.s. a good portion of them will have probably been processed by border patrol and allowed to stay in the u.s. that is why here in this downtown location we've seen a

significant increase in the number of people who will likely be spending the night on the streets here as they wait for bus tickets or plane rides to other parts of the country. a lot of these people in this line are waiting for a blanket. someone just dropped off a large batch of blankets. they are waiting in line to get some because they are bracing for another painfully frigid night. >> do most of these people say they want to apply for asylum? >> reporter: it is interesting. there's a wide array and mix of what people are requesting. there are a good number of people who are requesting asylum. it depends on what country you're coming from. central american countries much more violent. cubans and venezuelans requesting asylum for political reasons. we also hear a large number of people i've spoken to over the last four days that are coming here for economic reasons so, you know, all of these different

reasons they will have to present through the immigration process. a good portion are being expelled immediately and the likelihood of them winning their immigration cases is also very difficult. but many of them, all of them for one reason or another always come back to the same thing. they are desperately looking for a better way of life for themselves and their families. >> appreciate it. thank you. joining us now is former homeland security secretary johnson. appreciate you being with us. people are coming obviously for economic reasons but that is not under immigration law a reason to claim asylum. asylum is for persecution, escaping violence, political persecution. >> correct. >> nevertheless, these people are going to be here for years because the asylum claims, immigration claims take years to go through because the sis tep is so overwhelmed. how does this get fixed? >> well, first of all, the courts have gotten way too involved in what traditionally has been an area where the courts defer to the political

branches of government to the point where our policy is muddled and confusing. one week it's no you have to end title 42 and another week no you have to keep it. you have to end mpp, keep mpp, d.a.c.a., the same thing. clearly, the state of our asylum system and our laws is one of the reasons that migrants come here. the principal reason are the push factors from guatemala, honduras, el salvador, nicaragua, cuba, venezuela. but the process takes years, somewhere between 2 to 6 years. the bar for getting over the initial hump to qualify for asylum by stating a claim of credible fear is relatively low while the ultimate bar to get asylum is relatively high. but it is years in between. migrants know that. i know from speaking to migrants myself on the southern border when i had the job at dhs that a number of them come here knowing they only get to stay a few years and get a job but it is

better than the circumstances they've left. so to fix it requires an act of congress in all likelihood. you could do much of this through regulation which would be challenged in the courts and there are proposals pending in the legislative branch now to try to fix this but regrettably because immigration has become so polarized it is impossible to get anything done there. >> so what is the answer? if a comprehensive immigration reform is not legislatively possible because of the divisions in congress and each side has reasons to keep things polarized and use bumper sticker slogans to use against the other side, are there piece meal things that can be done?

obviously the d.a.c.a. piece would be one of those. there are, you know, fixing the court system that, you know, more judges, faster hearings. it is insane it takes four to six years for people to actually have an asylum claim heard. >> anderson, all of the above. however, as long as we have numbers like you see on the screen of 200,000, 150,000 a month crossing our border it becomes a flash point and makes it impossible to to accomplish any form of comprehensive immigration reform. we have to deal with the numbers. the problem is much bigger now than it was five, six, seven eight years ago when i was dealing with it plainly. one key is illegal immigration is a very information sensitive phenomenon and reacts sharply to information about perceived changes in enforcement policy in the united states. that is reason why i continually while in office kept making the

point we will send you back consistent with our laws and values. 11 words. repeated it constantly and showed people in central america that we were sending people back, deporting people to the point where i'd go to central america, greet the planes coming back, bring the news organizations in central america with me so people see we actually are enforcing our laws, trying our best to do so in a lawful and humane manner. that has to be a starting point for this debate. then you can have the debate about comprehensive immigration reform and all of the things that need to be done in between at the very least having to

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the drama at twitter continues to grow. we've told you last night elon musk's company suspended the accounts of several journalists including cnn's donie o'sullivan which came after he reported on a college student's battle with musk over a now suspended twitter account that tracked the billionaire's private jet. despite his claims of defending free press, musk is defending his actions against the journalists. >> there is not going to be any distinction in the future between journalists and regular people. everyone is going to be treated the same. you are not special because you are a journalist. you're a citizen. so no special treatment.

>> you doxx you get suspended end of story. >> that's really the story at all. musk is falsely claiming the journalists shared his live location, which he described as assassination coordinates, that they were doxxing him, giving out his phone number and home address. doney sullivan, just to be clear you did not doxx elon musk or give his live location. you interviewed a guy whose twitter account was suspended because he is using public information to track the plane of elon musk. >> correct. we reported actually were throughout the week how musk went to all these lengths to remove all trace of that account, even links to that account on other platforms. it is still live on places like facebook but no. i or as far as i can see other journalists who were suspended did not share musk's live location. >> at any time did twitter offer

any explanation to you or other journalists? >> no. when i log in it says i am permanently suspended though there is a suggestion from musk that he might lift that after about seven days and about a week so i guess we'll see. >> and somebody was reinstated to twitter today. >> yeah. well, you know, the discourse. mike lindell the pillow guy is back on the platform. he was suspended. of course he is a serial election liar and he said i'm back thank you elon musk and by the way melt it down. the electronic voting machines and turned them into prison bars. >> he was also promoting totally phony cures for covid. >> yes. as i believe you interviewed him about at the time. look, i mean musk is clearly comfortable with a lot of covid misinformation. he's torn up the misinformation rule book on covid. he's put back very prominent neo-nazi white nationalists and also reinstated the accounts of people like mike lindell all of

which by the way he is totally entitled to do. he is the owner of this private company. it's just a bit funny coming from a guy who says he believes in free speech. >> donie, stay with me. i want to bring in carrie swisher. first of all i understand you underwept a heart procedure recently. and i want to say you look great. >> thank you. >> i hope you are well and my thoughts and best wishes are with you. >> i'm fine. it was yesterday. >> i'm glad you're back. >> here i am. medical innovation. >> what is going on? you covered elon musk more than anybody. is his free speech talk just bologna? >> yes. that would be correct. it's nonsense. he is just doing whatever he feels like. he has no impulse control so he does whatever he feels like at this point. if you think there is a rhyme or reason to any of this please disabuse yourself from that. he is doing it because he feels

like it. he probably got mad at the journalists for writing about this guy who did elon jet and now he is just deciding in the moment really. one person running a very large platform just as he feels like. depending on what he eats or drinks or whatever he might be angry or mad or sad or tired. he just does it when he feels like it. >> i understand, you know, a billionaire who wants to, they believe they are invincible and do whatever they want to do. they have so much money and can do much of what they want to do but why even come up a completely b.s. explanation of it like that donie and others were doxxing. why not say i don't like this person. these people annoy me. i'm going to do that. that would be brave as opposed to -- this idea they're going to enforce a reel against sharing someone's, quote, real time locations, if -- you are a reporter covering a politician or sporting event and you report

a center has arrived or a player has arrived at the stadium that is their real time location. >> yeah, it's untenable. it's ridiculous. it's made up. why do it? because he likes to lie constantly. look at what's happening. he said he'd get a moderation counsel then he didn't. he said he was going to do all kind of not misinformation and then puts out misinformation himself. kanye west was going to be just fine and then he kicked him out the next week for good reason. everybody knew what kanye west was going to do. i can't underscore that none of this makes any sense. it is having some real time implications to his other companies. tesla shares are down almost to a really scary level for him. that said he doesn't seem to care. he likes behaving like this. i don't think any of those journalists did anything they hadn't done before which is called reporting. and he just doesn't like it. i don't know why he doesn't say it. who knows? honestly, who knows.

>> doesn't twitter ask users to share location data with advertisers? >> yes. there is even some reporting this week which we haven't confirmed which is that they make you if you want to stay on twitter share more location data. there is no rhyme or rhythm to a lot of this. but there are laws. there are laws particularly in europe when it comes to privacy and we did here as well from the european commission in brussels today mentioning if you start kicking journalists off your platforms in europe we'll come down on you. so i think it is another one of these cases where laws and regulators might have to catch up with the pace of what musk is doing. he certainly could face some repercussions for what he is doing whether it be with this data or shoving people off the platform. >> what is the end game with him do you think with twitter? >> i have no idea at this point. he paid too much for it. he's got to somehow make money again. he should be working on the

product and making it better. he certainly is capable. i'm not sure what he is. he makes a lot of noise. he likes attention. he is not improving the product. not right now he's not. and helping with advertisers? no. creating new things? no. i don't know what the end game is. to be honest with you. i guess it is to make it better and then eventually take it public would be what i would think someone with a good business sense as he has had in the past would do. but i don't think so. i honestly don't know, anderson. >> appreciate it, thank you. up next how the british public is reacting to prince harry and meghan markle taking on th e

it has been a remarkable time for brenton's royal family. prince harry, meghan markle, not holding back. they slammed the british press

and the palace's refusal to help them do anything ultimately drove them out of the country. it also mentioned specific members of the family. terry recalled his brother losing his temper as they discussed the couple's long- term future. here is cnn's scott mclean. >> it was terrifying to have my brother scream and shout at me and my brother say things that just simply was not true and my grandmother quietly sit there and take it all in. >> the final accusations made in harry and meghan's docuseries have been met with silence from buckingham's palace. as for the public, some sympathy, also some eye rolls. >> i am absolutely stressed and fuming. i am here to put aside of all the people, for god sake, just shut up. >> i think he should move on and not from his family other under the bus. >> total division. it is the royal family.

>> of course, strong reaction from much of the tabloid press. the image of the prince and princess of wales carrying on with royal duties was on every front page, contracted in the daily mail with harry's salvage onslaught. it said, he and megan had declared war on the royal family. others questioned the couple's motives and their honesty. >> this is all apparently a heroic fight for family privacy, but we have to learn about that fight in a $100 million reality tv show. >> it looks like revenge, like they are being vengeful in the way they approach this. they are slinking on verifiably mud at his brother, using particular footages of brits like we are just a bunch of racists. >> poll taken shows the once wildly popular couple have more detractors than fans in the uk, with a net popularity rating of minus 3 for terry and -19 for

meghan. still, far better than prince andrew, but far worse than king charles or harry's brother, prince william. 10% think releasing the netflix series at all was a bad idea. >> no. if they are seeking privacy, probably not. >> if you can run away from the press, run away from the press. but then, i'm going to let netflix into my house. >> racism just can't change. >> even sympathy was sometimes paired with skepticism. but now i am disposed to them when it comes to the distress that was clearly a part of their experience of the last four or five years. however, there were moments i was like, come on, or come off of it. i was not buying chunks of it. >> kensington palace sounds very regal, it has palace in the name. but nottingham cottage was a small-- >> slightly in, really low

ceilings. >> just around the corner from kensington palace is people sleeping on the street. i would not go too far down that route with you speaking as a duchess. >> scott mclean joins us from london. are there any signs this is actually hurting the monarchy? >> that poll i mentioned in the story found that a clear majority of the british public still supports the monarchy, and that has not changed substantially since the spring. the palace, as i said, is not commenting on these latest allegations made in the netflix series, but did put out a completely separate statement today saying, a former aide to the queen had gone just this morning to make an in-person apology to a black british charity boss, who had accused her of racism recently. the statement said, the apology had been accepted, that the royal family continues to work on its diversity and inclusion, and both women involved hope

their story can show a path to resolution can be found through kindness, cooperation, rejection of discrimination. of course, we are not talking about harry and william. i am talking to a lot of people in this country, william, that a lot of people wish that we were, wish that harry, king charles, could all get in a room and try to find some kind of a way to get on that path to resolution. >> scott mclean, i appreciate it. next, more on the shane ray six committee expected to announce it will inquire about more charges against the former president from the january 6th resurrection.

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