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sandy hook elementary school and killed 20 children and 6 adults. >> it was just so horrific what we heard, my colleagues, children begging for their lives. the entire time thinking that we're going to be next. >> and a stunned nation was left grieving. >> i was sure that sandy hook had changed everything. how can you watch that and not decide to do something about it? >> tonight -- >> don't ever think this couldn't be staged. >> we take you inside the victims' families' battle. against harassment and disinformation. >> it was the hardest thing i've had to do since my son's murder. >> their fight for change -- >> how did a kid have his hands on an ar-15 semiautomatic assault rifle with a high capacity magazine? >> we have really hurt a generation of kids by not being able to find ways forward. >> and their vow to stop similar tragedies. >> it's the way that i've chosen

to honor daniel, to prevent other families from having to endure a life of pain due to preventable violence. >> "sandy hook, forever remembered." it was december 14, 2012, just over a week before christmas. >> that morning something happened that had never happened before. when i was walking james to the bus, i was aware of little pitter-patter of footsteps behind me in the driveway, and it was daniel in his little yankees pajamas. i said, what are you doing up and out? he said, i want to come to the bus with you so i can hug james and tell him i love him. so i put him on the shoulders and we took james to the bus and he wrapped his little arms around him and told him he loved him.

>> then, shortly after that, mark barden sent his youngest son daniel off to first grade at sandy hook elementary. >> then it was time to walk him to the bus, and we -- i hugged him and kissed him and told him i loved him. >> that same morning, nicole hochuli and her family were planning a festive day. >> i was planning to go into the school that afternoon. dylan was in ms. soto's class, and it was the day we were going to be making the ginger bread houses. >> soon after sending their boys to school, barden and hochuli got emergency phone calls. >> this message is from the superintendent of the newtown public schools. due to reports of a shooting -- >> a friend called and said, nicole, it's a shooting and it's at our school. she was panicking. i literally dropped to the ground. >> i was just in motion.

i was just running out of my little studio there and into our family van and just flying and listening to the news and driving. >> first-grade teacher caitlin debellos was in the classroom next to the school's entrance were a lone gunman started shooting his way in. >> we had like two minutes from when the initial shot was fired that i heard, which was about ten feet from where we were sitting. so for us, time was of the essence, and i knew hiding was the only option. >> she packed her entire class of 15 first graders into a tiny bathroom and locked the door. >> it was so horrific, like, just so horrific what we heard, and my colleagues, children begging for their lives and just, like -- just the entire time thinking that we're going to be next. and for me, you know, as an adult and being in charge of these baby -- i mean, they're babies. my youngest was 5, and most were

6. i'm thinking the entire time, i'm going watch them die, and then they're going to kill me, you know? and it's just -- it was -- there really, like, aren't words, like, to articulate what that feels like. >> she tried to keep her kids quiet. >> my kids didn't talk a lot, because i knew silence was key. >> you told them that. >> yes, i said we had to be absolutely quiet. at the beginning initially i remembered one of my little girls started to cry, understandably so. so she's crying and i have her face in my hands because i know, right, first graders -- i mean, children, and then after maybe 15 minutes passed one of my little boys who was very boisterous, he still stands out that way to me, whispered.

he said, i do a really good job at karate with my class every week, and i'm pretty sure i can take on whoever's bad out there if you let me try, like, let me out. again, that's a first grader, right? >> she and her students hid in the bathroom for 45 excruciating minutes. >> and it was a s.w.a.t. team that found us. all the s.w.a.t. members had one of two of my kids and we're just running. at this point i held it together in the classroom because i knew i had do, but at this point i'm crying. i don't know if i was hysterical. i'm asking the s.w.a.t. team, did you really get them? are they gone? are they in that bush? are they in that tree? >> they were led to a nearby firehouse where parents were waiting. >> in the one room i could see first graders sitting down with crossed legs, and i kept looking at all the faces, and i didn't see any of dylan's classmates and i didn't see dylan. >> there's an entire class that has not come out of the school yet.

>> nicole hockley kept scanning the crowd for her 6-year-old son. >> i remember just looking, staring at each one and just not understanding why he wasn't there. people were holding signs with classrooms, and i found someone holding ms. soto's sign, but it wasn't ms. soto. and there were just a couple of kids there including dylan's reading partner. and i walked up and i said, where's the rest of the class? and i looked down at dylan's reading partner, and she just -- her eyes were, like, wide like saucers, and she was just staring, and -- and i thought, oh, gosh, this isn't good. >> scarlet lewis was also there, searching for her 6-year-old son jesse. >> i remember being told repeatedly, if you can't find your child, go into the back room and put his name down on

the list. and i'm like, i'm not going to put my child's name down on a list. i'm just going to find him. i tried to go up to the school. they wouldn't let me. >> it was surreal. it was frightening. it was just -- um, it was hard to process, and at that point the governor brought everybody into a room in the firehouse. and that's -- that's where we got the news. >> and he said if we were still in that room, that our love ones weren't coming back. the room erupted. it was chaos. there was wailing, there was screaming, yelling. the gentleman who was to my right was on the ground pounding the floor. >> it was just catastrophic

beyond recognition. >> hockley and her husband had to break the awful news to their oldest son, jake. >> jake howled like an animal. it was the most disturbing sound i ever heard in my life. i never heard him make that sound. he just sounded like a wounded animal. >> there are a lot of days when i wish i hadn't seen the things i saw and heard the things i heard at that firehouse. >> chris murphy was connecticut's newly elected u.s. senator. >> i was there right outside the room when the parents were told by the governor that there were 20 dead kids. you kind of knew that everything was going to change after sandy hook. when we come back -- >> we've endured too many of these tragedies in the past few years, and each time i learn the news, i react not as a president

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the question remains -- how can school shootings be stopped? >> shootings like this are becoming all too common occurrences in our country. it's also a fact that in almost every one of these cases there were warning signs. >> in early 2013, the connecticut office of the child advocate led by sarah egan formed a committee to look for answers. >> the office had been charged with investigating the life of the shooter, to the extent that he intersected with publicly funded services for children -- health care, mental health, school, and to issue the most significant findings that we could and what that told us about our need for system change. >> they found that the gunman, who took his own life, struggled with untreated mental health issues. clinical psychologist julian

ford was part of the committee. >> he stayed pretty much to himself. he often wouldn't make eye contact, he often wouldn't speak to others when they spoke to him. >> at age 14 his parents took him to see a psychiatrist at yale school of medicine. >> they were clear in their evaluation this was a severe and crucial situation, that this was a boy who was deeply troubled, that he's living in a box, and that box is getting smaller all the time. >> the team at yale recommended medication, along with a special therapeutic school with extensive mental health and educational supports. >> the yale evaluators cautioned strongly, you know, can't change the world to meet his needs. we have to give him the tools to live in the world, otherwise we're looking at a very negative trajectory. >> but the committee found yale's recommendations were

largely not followed. >> his mother did try to provide a cocoon for him and keep him from any kind of disturbance that would set him off emotionally. and in so doing, she did exactly what we don't want to have happen, when kids need to have some exposure to stress and challenges in limited and tolerable amounts. >> in the last year of his life he was living in his bedroom in his mother's home with black plastic bags on the windows and only communicating with his mother over email. >> the only peer relationships he had was on this online gaming world. >> dr. kirsten bechtle is an emergency department doctor at yale's children's hospital and worked with the committee. she was not involved in the gunman's evaluation by the yale child study center. >> there was a lot of violence and preoccupation with war and

violence and things like that. >> and guns played a prominent role in his and his family's life. >> the mother would use this as a way of connecting with her son, and it seemed like it was the only way that she could. >> and on december 14th, for reasons still unknown, he shot his mother to death before killing 20 children and 6 staff at sandy hook. >> there is no evidence that any provider, anyone in his life ever thought that he would actually act in such a violent way or anything close to that. >> an investigation by the connecticut states attorney found no motive. so when we ask what could have been done differently about his mental health treatment to bring about a result i want to underscore lack of a direct line between mental illness, even untreated, and violence of this nature. which is very rare, right? but the reality is he didn't

have very much mental health treatment. very, very, very, very little. >> in the years since the shooting at sandy hook, much has changed for kids and mental health in connecticut. >> there's much more screening that's done in pediatricians' offices for behavioral health concern. >> connecticut has also become a leader in implementing emergency mobile psychiatric services. >> anyone can call 211, and they have trained mental health workers, social workers that come to the home and triage a situation where a child is in a behavioral health crisis. it's been for me as an e.d. doc a game changer and i think for families as well. >> dr. bechtel says conversations about access to guns are now routine between pediatricians and parents. >> we routinely screen for depression and for suicidality and we talk about what access do they have to

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as the newtown community grieved their loss, the feeling across the country was that something would finally be done to address gun violence. >> i was sure that sandy hook had changed everything. how could you watch that and not decide to do something about it? >> it was an uphill battle, but many families from newtown were ready for that fight. still raw with emotion, nicole hockley, mark barden and others threw themselves into the battle for common sense gun legislation to spare others from the loss they suffered. but this was new to them. >> it was a blissfully, unaware nonpolitical father who played guitar for a living. >> i knew nothing about gun violence in america.

i knew nothing about firearms. >> they would need help navigating the political waters around gun control. matt bennet was a policy adviser to the victim's families as they tried to enact gun reform at the federal level. >> what i said to them was the obvious thing to do in the wake of this tragedy was to ban assault rifles as used in this tragedy and high capacity magazines, but those things are not going to happen because there's no appetite in congress. what we said was, if we can't get a ban on assault weapons or high capacity magazines, what we need most is to close the loopholes in the background check system. that's the most urgent problem we face in the gun safety world. >> many families pushed for a bill that required a background check on every gun purchased, closing loopholes for gun shows and online sales. two senators with "a" ratings from the nra stepped forward to sponsor the initiative, pennsylvania republican pat toomey and west virginia

democrat joe manchin. >> we have an agreement on an amendment. >> many of the families travelled to washington, d.c. several times in 2013 to lobby for the bill. >> i carried pictures of -- of daniel with me, because i wanted them to look at his little face and to sit across from me, a dad whose child just been murdered. i wanted people to know what my little daniel was, and he wasn't just a number and a statistic of another school shooting in america. >> and did it penetrate? >> for some it did. for some it didn't. some of them said, you know, my constituents won't understand it this way. and so some stood up and did the right thing. some not so much. some of them lied right to my face. >> as parents were pushing for federal legislation in d.c., many were also calling for policy change back home in connecticut.

>> connecticut already had good gun laws in place, so this was a strengthening of a lot of them. >> at the time of the shooting, john mckinney was the republican state senator representing newtown. >> i met with all of the victims' families who asked the meet with me. i told them when i met with them that i viewed my job to be their voice, to do what they needed me to do for them. assault weapons and large capacity magazines were really top of mind for the people who talked to me about gun measures. >> in connecticut, everything was on the table. >> one of the things i did was met with all the other republicans in our caucus, and i was very honest with them. i said, i'm going to go negotiate and work with the democrats on a bill. i'm going to do it as a state senator. i'm going to do it as the leader, but i'm going to do it. and if you're not comfortable with me doing that as your leader, you can have a new

leader, and i'll step down. i totally respect that because i have to do this as their state senator. and quite frankly, my caucus unanimously said, no, we want you to go in and negotiate and try to work out a bipartisan solution. >> the emergency certified bill is passed in concurrence with the senate. >> in early april 2013, the connecticut legislature passed sweeping gun legislation, adding around 100 firearms to an existing assault weapons ban and banning the future sale of magazines with more than ten bullets. >> knowing that the eyes of the country were on us, were on the tragedy in newtown, maybe we would send a message that some things need to be beyond politics. >> since the law was passed, connecticut has not had a single shooting with more than three fatalities. after the huge state level win, many families from newtown were hopeful for a nationwide victory

and made the trip to d.c. for the vote in the senate. >> i was very hopeful at that point because i assumed that we were going to have a victory there. >> i knew that at least 90% of americans wanted to see that happen. i just thought, this is pretty simple. this is basic. this is what everybody wants. >> requiring 60 vote for the adoption of this amendment, the amendment is not agreed to. >> a minority in the united states senate decided it wasn't worth it. they blocked common sense gun reforms even while these families looked on from the senate gallery. this was a pretty shameful day for washington. >> i was just -- i was floored. i was absolutely devastated, because i thought with all of the momentum after the shooting, with all of the public polling

that showed that people wanted background checks, i received a very hard and devastating lesson on politics that day. >> the gun lobby was able to influence legislators, because when the polls were done, passing that universal background check bill at the federal level was polling higher than ice cream and baseball. over 90% of americans wanted that done. and then it didn't pass. >> i felt like a failure. i went out of the chamber and said to mark barden how sorry i was and that i wasn't going give up, and mark i think looked at me thinking i was hinting he might. and you know, he said to me something along the lines of, chris, i'm not an advocate for four months. i'm an advocate for 40 years. right? this is my child. i'm never giving up. >> nobody wants to see a shootout in a school. >> day in and day out, year after year, hockley, barden, and many others continued to fight for gun safety legislation.

then in may 2022 -- >> another horrifying night in this country. 19 children, 2 adults gunned down in a small town in a texas elementary school. >> the similarities between uvalde and sandy hook were impossible to ignore. two elementary schools, two assault rifles, and two communities left shattered. >> what are we doing? why are you here if not to solve a problem as existential as this? >> for the first time in a decade, murphy's republican colleagues joined him to draft a major gun reform bill. >> we felt like if we didn't deliver on this issue, when everybody was telling us to do something -- republicans, democrats, independents -- it would be cause for a lot of people to totally give up on democracy. about midway through the negotiations, we got to a point

where we were ready to announce an agreement. i'll never forget just calling mark and nicole and a handful of my other friends to let them know something really big was going to happen the next day. >> we are not going to allow this to become the new normal. >> the coalition reached an agreement on enhanced background checks for younger people, funding for state level red flag laws and approximate on gun sales to some domestic abusers. >> the yeas are 65, the nees are 33, the motion to concur with an am amendment is agreed to. >> this summer president biden signed the bipartisan safer communities act into law. >> americans want change. we have really hurt a generation of kids, and we have really hurt america by not being able to find ways forward. there are ways of coming

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while the victims' families struggled to cope with their loss they were also grappling with a haunting question. >> how did a kid across the neighborhood have his hands on an ar-15 semiautomatic assault rifle with a high capacity magazine? >> that question led them to some advertising by the manufacturer, remington arms. >> they were saying, get your man card here. imagery of a lone gunman. the next best thing to enlisting, with a military background. those weapons are the number one choice for people when they want to kill a lot of people in a short amount of time, because that's what they're designed to do in a military battlefield

context. but when someone wants to shoot-up an elementary school or church, that's the weapon of choice because that's what it does. >> we started to talk about different lawsuits, and i had already been shopping around the different law firms saying, you know, there's something here. what can we do? >> and what were you hearing from those law firms? >> no. every single one that i spoke to said, it's unwinnable. >> unwinnable because of a 2005 u.s. law that protects firearm manufacturers from being held liable when crimes are committed with their weapons. but the families did find one attorney willing to take a chance, josh coscoff. >> some time after the 154th and last bullet was fired from the assault weapon. >> i think i probably was being ignorant of how challenging the laws were. i come from a long line of trial lawyers and we were very

idealistic even if the case was impossible to win. >> while the federal law did provide some level of immunity, which was not a total shield. there were exceptions, including one that allowed for lawsuits if there's proof that the manufacturer knowingly violated state or federal law. >> they were engaged in a reckless advertising campaign that was yielding deadly results. >> thank you, everybody, for coming. >> the families of nine victims and one survive sued the gun manufacturer, claiming that remington's ads targeted unstable young men and emphasized the gun's ability to exact mass casualties. >> they used totally irresponsible strategies. i wanted to send a message to everyone that markets to our kids and young adults that they need to be responsible in that marketing. >> you can imagine the appeal this type of marketing would have on an adolescent who was in

the throes of anxiety or feeling weak or unmanly, and saw in this weapon, the answer to all their problems. >> the case dragged on for years, with remington appealing all the way up to the supreme court, which declined to hear the case. finally, earlier this year, a settlement was announced with the now bankrupt remington and its four insurers. >> gunmaker remington has reached a $73 million settlement with some of the families of children and adults killed in the massacre at sandy hook elementary school. >> nothing will bring dylan back. the closest i get to him now is by kissing his urn every night, telling him i love him and i miss him. but i made him a promise and i'll keep working to deliver that promise for the rest of my life. >> i do get emotional about the victories, about making change, about seeing a thought, a strategy actually come into

something that is going to work and make a difference. and this was years of work. >> the families agreed to a settlement that included $73 million. but more importantly, the right to disclose thousands of pages of internal company documents. >> the documents that we won the right to disclose to the public were a critical part of the deal. had that not been part of the deal there would have been no settlement. >> we have all their internal documents, all of their advertising strategies and all the thinking and planning that went into that. we'd like to take meaningful steps on creating some guardrails around what is okay, what's not okay with regard to marketing practices, especially marketing firearms and weapons to children. >> the lawsuit against remington would not be the family's only battle in court. in the mediate aftermath of the shooting at sandy hook, conspiracy theorist alex jones took to his podcast and

questioned whether the massacre had ever even happened. >> don't ever think the globalists that have hijacked this country wouldn't stage something like this. they kill little kids all day every day. don't ever think this couldn't be staged. >> follower of info wars began a years long campaign harassing the victims' families. >> i started getting the ugly filth. people claiming i was a crisis actor. that daniel never existed. >> barden lewis, hockley and the families of other sandy hook victims and one first responder filed separate defamation lawsuit against alex jones in texas and connecticut. >> he's a worst actor than glen beck. >> with bullying behavior you first try to ignore it, and when it doesn't stop you have to find the counselor to stand up to it. >> the 1984 tyranny? 1776, thank you very much. >> when the court case got under way, alex jones refused to turn

over discovery documents required by the court, so jones was ruled libeable by default. >> the only issue left after that was what was the extent of the harm? and to some extent the extent of the wrong doing that mr. jones engaged in? >> there will be three separate trials. two have already happened. in each, victims' family members laid bare the gut wrenching way jones' lies tore their lives apart. >> alex, i want to you hear this, too. >> i had a really hard time being in court. it was the hardest thing i have had to do since my son's murder. >> it was deeply unsettling what people were saying about december 14th, the shooting, that it didn't happen. it was scary to think about who would think like this. >> a texas jury awarded lewis

and jesse's father $49.3 million. barden and hockley were part of another trial. >> all of our abilities to hang on to daniel's memory has been tarnished with toxic hate, lies and danger. >> i got sent pictures of dead kids because i was told as a crisis actor i didn't know what dead kids looked like. >> at the end of this trial, the families were awarded more than $1 billion. >> $120 million, to plaintiff david wheeler, $55 million. >> the number is just astronomical, and i think it was purposely because it's sending a very clear message to alex jones

that this is not going to be allowed anymore. there are consequences. >> to plaintiff mark barden, $57 million. >> for me it was seeing the reaction of people i'd become friends with and who i respect and admire and watching their reactions. and this overwhelming feeling of vindication. like, we've actually done this. >> jones, who was not in the courtroom for the jury's decision, was live streaming his show and reacted in realtime as it was read. >> you get a million. you get $100 million. you get $50 million. do these people think they're actually getting any money? >> koskoff does. >> we'll chase alex jones to the end of the earth to make him meet his accountability as determined by the jury. so i don't care what he thinks about that and i don't care what he says about that. i think he's a desperate guy who is now, as he always has been, is just going say whatever he

wants, no matter what the validity of what he's saying. he will be held to pay these damages. >> but the families say the lawsuits were never about the money. they were a warning to jones and anyone else who might spread similar vicious lies. >> the jury has sent a clear message that this kind of awful profiteering by lying about damaged grieving people is going to be held to account, and there will be accountability. coming up -- >> very typical daniel. >> the victims' families ten years later. >> he would say, don't go easy on me because i'm little.

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because we believe there's an innovator in all of us. i just keep this with me all the time. it just reminds me of -- of our former life. i see those pictures of him laughing and smiling and running with that giant grin on his face, embracing and enjoying life.

it's also -- it's very difficult to constantly have to reckon with the fact that he's gone. >> it's been ten years since mark barden lost his 7-year-old son daniel at sandy hook. >> it's still so present and still raw. >> but yet you've chosen this as your life's work. >> yes, yeah. it's the way that i've chosen to honor daniel. we trained people how to look out for one another and how to protect them and how to be aware. >> immediately after the tragedy barden and hockley started sandy hook promise. >> it's been one month since i lost >> it's been one month since i lost my son dylan. i do not want there to be a next time. >> the goal is to prevent other families have having to endure a life of pain due to preventable violence. and that is what we are doing. >> and how are you doing that? >> it took a lot of research to

understand that 100% of school shooters give off warning signs, 100%, every single one. >> say something teaches you how to recognize warning signs, especially in social media. >> barden and hoffly's program teaches kids and adults what those warning signs are. >> there are some that are very overt, really noticeable, such as bragging about access to weapons, such as telling people don't come to school because i'm going to shoot it up. it's the subtle threats that we really want to teach kids more about. changes in behavior or appearance. we're talking drastic changes. being bullied or being a bully, really pulling away, thinking that the whole world is against them and that they need to retaliate. >> students, you know, are the eyes and the ears in the social media platforms. so, the parents aren't seeing the same things and the teachers aren't seeing the same things that the students are.

and we train them for how to look for subtle signs in the social media platforms or on the school bus or in the cafeteria. >> in another program, called say something, they teach kids when they see a warning sign to tell a trusted adult. >> this is where a tipster can put in what they know, what they're afraid of. >> they can anonymously report to an app linked to a crisis center. >> when a crisis center gets a tip from anywhere in the country, they already know the administrators, whatever support systems are available in the area, first responders, if that's necessary -- >> reporter: their work has trained more than 18 million students and educators. and they say they prevented 11 planned school shootings in the u.s. to date. >> when we were first testing our say something program in ohio, i was walking back out to the rental car, the guidance

counselor came running up behind me all -- obviously upset. and said that this is all just unfolding now, but an eighth grade girl who had seen something in her social media that wouldn't have thought twice about it the day before the training, told the counselor who looked into it further, and discovered a plot to put a bomb in the locker. when the school was being evacuated, someone was going to be positioned on the hill and start shooting at the students as they were coming out. it was all planned, ready to go, and arrests were made. >> and the system worked. >> and the system worked. i don't remember the name of that little town because something horrible did not happen there. and the rest of the country doesn't know the name of that little town, and all those families are not facing a lifetime of grief because of what didn't happen there. >> their program has also prevented more than 300 suicides when students have reached out

to their crisis center. >> what's the next frontier? what do you still want to do with sandy hook promise? >> i want our programs in every single school in the entire country. when i think back to mothers against drunk driving and how one simple program changed behavior for generations, that's what i want to start with say something to be. >> how would you describe where you are now personally? >> you know, i'm never going to be the person i was before 12/14 again. i've changed too much. and that ridiculously joyful person i was before is -- she died that day too. i still never grieved dylan. to this day i've never grieved dylan, and i'm scared to. i've seen what can be done. i've seen that we can stop these things. >> you hear about a lockdown, you hear about any kind of

reports of an active shooter, it is chilling. and then i just have to pivot to all the more need for us to do. we have a model that works. we've got to keep it going. >> scarlet lewis is also making change. through the choose love movement she founded in honor of her son, jessie. >> i realized that what happened to jessie was 100% preventable and that it was literally my responsibility to make sure that our kids are safe. >> reporter: senator murphy says fighting for change for the sandy hook families is his life mission. >> i'm just emotionally and psychologically connected to these families, invested in this movement in a way that i've never been connected or invested in anything in my life. and i've said from the very beginning that, you know, when i'm done with all this, it will be determined what those handful

of families in sandy hook, hartford, bridgeport, who have lost loved ones think of the job i did. >> katelyn says she's moving forward with her life, but she will never move on. >> really, really important distinctions, because i think our society does a terrible job with grief and loss and trauma and tragedy. and we say, oh, it's been ten years. it must be easier. oh, you went to therapy. that must have helped so much. oh, you're doing yoga. how wonderful. and yes, all of those things are great to help yourself feel better. but december 14, 2012, is every second of every single day for me. and if many, many of the survivors.

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