a busy night unbroken usns we have a recording that the house meets committee is expected to continue that trend and released a summary after vote to make public years of the former president tax returns.

even more than most nights the, news continues. let's hope it for over to laura coates at cnn tonight. >> good evening everybody, i am laura coats and this is cnn tonight. look, there is a lot going on this evening. we have with breaking news on capitol hill, we will begin with that tonight. the all powerful house ways and means committee, which is led by democrats as you know for now, voting tonight to release the former president donald trump's tax returns to the public. the committee's vote was along party lines and it is a giant defeat for trump. so as he has fought for years now to keep all of his tax information private, citing audits and the like also. tonight the ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy is on his way to the washington post see at this very hour. he will meet with the president

of the united states tomorrow at the white house as expected and may also address a joint session of congress. here is a cnn exclusive tonight. trump's former white house ethics lawyer told cassidy hutchinson, remember she was the star witness of the january 6th hearing, that person apparently gave her the advice to give misleading testimony to the committee. yes, i have set a white house ethics lawyer. so you try to figure that out if you can. i want to start now with cnn chief congressional correspondent manu raju is live on on capitol hill tonight. manu, a lot is going on. let's begin with those taxes. when are we going to learn more about these taxes and maybe even see them? >> yeah. we could actually see these very soon. and it could be a significant amount of information that donald trump has spent years trying to compact and not released to the public saying he was under endless audits, going to battle them in court, turning it over to congress a few weeks ago and now tonight in a party line vote, house democrats voting to move ahead into releasing these into the

public. what we are talking about here is six years of trump's tax returns including tax returns for eight affiliate businesses, we also expect to see irs audit reports as well as to reports. the joint committee on taxation which is nonpartisan group that analyzes taxes as we expect that report come out tonight, as well as the committee's report analyzing these tax returns. that also will be released tonight according to committee officials. now what i ask the chairman of the committee, -- whether or not those returns, -- will be in public. he said they will come out within days? ? he >> how quickly do you expect -- >> it will take a few days but we believe it is only days. it won't go well beyond that. the staff is on top of it. one of the things that we are going to take great pains to do, you might have heard the end of it -- and that is redactions that have to take place to protect some very important considerate social security numbers and baking accounts and pin numbers, that sort of thing. but, the ways and means staff

and i have faith in the republican staffers. let them service a check on what -- reaching accommodation to make sure that those protections are built in. >> so that information will take a little bit more time to play out but time is of the absence here, democrats are only in power laura, for just a couple of more weeks before republicans take control of the house on january 3rd which is when, a brig recent that the republicans are crying foul, in the final days of power they are dimmitt trying to do what they demand -- in public and we should see those very soon. >> i mean, part of the reason there has been a delay as you know was the claim that because he was being audited he couldn't possibly hand things over from the candidacy of course throughout the presidency and now up to this point of time, it has been a four-year window really. so what are they saying now about whether trump was actually being audited? was is he still? this >> is a key take away that will be an issue of the bait for exploration going forward. presidents are required to go under a mandatory audit after

they become, take the oval office. according to the committee that did not happen with donald trump. in fact they say in april 2019 donald trump was, an audit began over donald trump's returns and that only became a thing -- sent a letter to the irs at that exact time, it will 2019, asking about those -- they said then that is when the audit started over donald trump's returns. then they said it was an audit that never was completed. all those returns, those six years of returns that they have obtained, the audits were not actually completed for donald trump and i also asked about the contingent of trump that he said he is always under audit. he has never seen an audit completed. neil declined to comment on that specifically. he said that this is an issue we are still looking through as well. one other point i asked chairman neill and republican top republican -- concerning in those returns,

brady said this is still being looked at by the irs and declined to comment. neil to also declined to comment. >> so, as the former president or any other republican commented on where we are right now? >> we are hearing some pushback on republicans, them on the committee like kevin brady, calling foul and criticizing the democrats for weaponizing donald trump's personal financial information. they said this was not the proper way this should be handled they. called it a sad day for democracy. and they went on to defend donald trump. trump's spokesman themselves's put out a statement earlier where he essentially accused the democrats of going and taking this action. they said this is an unprecedented leak by leaned up democrats is proof they are playing a political game that

they are losing. if this injustice can happen to president trump it can happen to all americans without cause. but very little they can do here given they lost that battle for years in court, ultimately democrats one which is why they have the returns, -- taking action to release them. >> laura. >> manu what a night. and what a beginning we know a couple -- thank you so much for reporting always insightful. i want to bring in and turn to our political commentators here at cnn, jonah goldberg and paul met gala, also norm eison, cnn's legal analyst and also former house judiciary and special -- impeachment trial. we also have russ buhler, he is the investigative reporter for the new york post times. russ i want to begin with you. you really do have extraordinary expertise specifically as it relates to trump's taxes. you should go deep dive into some of those taxes back in 2020. now we are waiting at any

moments may take days to get more information so i am wondering what do you think so far of what we have learned just tonight alone about these new developments? i >> found it starkly alarming that the presidential audit that was supposed to happen appears to have not happened with this president for the first couple of years he was in office. -- saying correctly. it is really alarming, we have never had a president with more complicated financial situations than donald trump, he has to be the best case for why such an audit should exist. and they didn't do it. i have to wonder if it was somehow wrapped up in this long-standing audit and a mass refund that he got ten years ago, we are also -- he has had enormous business losses over the years and he has been under some financial pressure and he has rarely if ever paid so much in taxes. >> russ, on that point, i am glad i want to make sure we are all very clear about this delineation between the two things. there is the audit that he claimed to have been under, as to why he couldn't release as a candidate. then there is the mandatory

presidential audit which is supposed to be conducted and that seems to be the hook legislatively that this committee is talking about. but on the point of the 2020, on the feedback you are hearing, we have seen some of the information right? through or reporting back in 2020 and beyond. one of the things congressman docket has had to say is that the former president claimed tens of million dollars in losses but were those supporting documents substantiating those claims, how is that possible and did you experience that segment of it in your own reporting? >> i heard congressman doggett say that it is an excellent question. i think what he was talking about is when the irs started on it they did not ask him for those kinds of supporting documents which would be a usual process during an audit. the tech returns themselves don't show that. that would have to be in other -- we had some records of audits ongoing that i could see but that doesn't show a gülen process and examination that -- but i think that is what he was referring to, he wasn't required which is pretty extraordinary. they didn't do an audit and

they -- millions of dollars, tens of millions of dollars a revenue resulting in no income tax. business failures and write offs the they didn't ask for documentation of. pretty extraordinary. >> let's bring in our panel here as well. getting right down to the issue gentlemen, you have got the idea of the curiosity, when he was a candidate, the first time being a candidate, i wonder if he really has as much money as he says he has? does he have the empire he says? there was a curiosity in this figure. that it was hold on, why don't you want to head over the information? there began to be a skepticism from that curiosity. but now that we are really at this second or third election bid, i am wondering first of all, do you think that the release of the information now and this quest at this point is as crucial or necessary or warranted? what do you think? norm? >> i do think that it is justified because the law of the united states says that the house ways and means committee, chairman neal has been very careful, laura, has the power

to obtain these returns and to publish them. that is the law of the land. they have done a balance and you are looking here at an individual who flouted, and it was my job in the obama white house to clear the obama texas for release, he floated that modern plasticity releasing his taxes. they were the most serious constitutional questions about payments from foreign governments -- i litigated them, domestic -- you can't get them from the states, that may be in the tax returns. now his business has been convicted for two counts of tax fraud. and this is with a larger investigation that is continuing as to him, he is running a gallon, i think balancing i am concerned about the privacy but these other considerations faraway it. he has waived any right to claim the privacy of these returns. >> i don't see it that way at all. i have no sympathy for donald trump in this. you violated a whole bunch of norms and, not this norm but other norms, and he is a shady businessman, he lied about his wealth, all of that stuff he deserves the trouble that he is invited for himself -- >> -- we are going to come back to that point. but >> just because the chairman has the power doesn't

mean he should do it. i have heard nothing from anybody, from the various congressman in the committee and elsewhere that provide's, that has a connective tissue of a legislative purpose, which is the reason why, he has every reason to look at them, i think he was right to look at them, but to release them publicly creates a moral hazard and a bad precedent and it just feels punitive. and i don't think that that is a good president for the comp country to release private tax returns because he has it coming. >> their purpose in part, the idea of the mandatory audit right, that has to happen when you have a president. i'm not saying that is the all-encompassing -- talking about, there is a mandatory audit that has to be fulfilled and that it was not done. their whole legislative oversight function is to figure out why that wasn't the case and what loopholes maybe there. how do you see it? >> since the magnitude in 12:15 we have said nobody is above the law. looks like mr. trump to put himself above the law, if that is true. -- i don't want to draw conclusions. so we do need to know that. but who is we? congress has to know, they have

100 year old law that says the treasury shall release to the ways and means committee any tax return they request. shall. he floated that and litigated it. but i am with jonah, i am worried about the precedent. now, i'm old enough to recall the obama presidency, republicans -- they did release private tax returns, not obamas because he put them out, but he had iris arrest conspiracy theory, they released private formation that. it was wrong then. it is a tougher call here. because, if this allegation is true, if mantra putting is true, somehow he was placed above the law, that the -- what we really should have done and should do know is pass a law that says every major candidate for president has to -- 70 or so. joe biden has released i think 20, 30, 40. it should be a law though, we shouldn't have to be fighting this and wondering gee whiz, in five minutes the republicans are going to control the committee and whose taxes will they put out? >> i want to bring russ in on this and get your take. you are in disagreement in the table on one hand there is the president could set of having

given up this information, also the president would be saying if you did have the modern precedent from -- but one of the questions is, there is a clock here, a sort of damocles for this -- for a reason. we are days away really from new congress worn in. they are not going to be as concerned as the democratic led house ways in committee on this issue, so what happens next then? this all has to be divulged now, but then what? january is what, two weeks away? >> right. there is a real reason for someone to look at these things, when you are looking at donald trump -- the first thing you realize is that our process -- -- whether they are getting cash in places that ought to do business with our process does not capture that and the tax returns don't capture that the disclosure forms won't capture that looking, at donald trump situation you could figure out reasons why it they would fix that situation in some serious way, but like you said there is

a clock ticking and the republicans will stop this action right away, there is a possibility that it will or another congressional committee somewhere down the road will pick it up. not so much for donald trump, really trying to fix that problem now which is just figuring out whether our presidents are subject to manipulation because. it is about what this would really mean. but look, we now have a report on trump's taxes. road to release tonight, we're gonna go through it. we are bringing information as we get it. there is another major development tonight. ukraine's president, this is the first time is left ukraine since russia's invasion. live in the white house right after this. -- this all has to be divulged now,

but then what? january is what, two weeks away? >> right. there is a real reason for someone to look at these things, when you are looking at donald trump -- the first thing you realize is that our process -- -- whether they are getting cash in places that ought to do business with our process does not capture that and the tax returns don't capture that the disclosure forms won't capture that looking, at donald trump situation you could figure out reasons why it they would fix that situation in some serious way, but like you said there is a clock ticking and the republicans will stop this action right away, there is a possibility that it will or another congressional committee somewhere down the road will pick it up. not so much for donald trump, really trying to fix that

problem now which is just figuring out whether our presidents are subject to manipulation because. it is about what this would really mean. but look, we now have a report on trump's taxes. road to release tonight, we're gonna go through it. we are bringing information as we get it. there is another major development tonight. ukraine's president, this is the first time is left ukraine since russia's invasion. live in the white house right after this.

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discussion between the two presidents. president zelenskyy also meet president biden's top national security officials. it'll also include a 1. 8 billion dollar new security assistant inside a security system. the most substantial effort the u.s. has made yet to expand the capabilities of ukrainians on the ground. most notably, missile defense systems. this is a system that president zelenskyy has been calling for some. much including in private phone calls with president biden. they were not willing to go down this path and change course given. president zelenskyy is now on the way to ukraine. >> i mean you've got the new congress coming in. there must be extraordinarily concerned some cautions being taken with president zelenskyy now being outside of ukraine. we understand that there will be a king coding address to congress. it throughout the course of this invasion.

what are your plans for future eight now you have new congress coming in. since the gop has been more skeptical, is that part of the motivation as to where it's coming. >> i think it's implicit everything that's happening. it's giving a primetime address tomorrow. it's not totally locked. and you mentioned the security concerns up on capitol hill. he made that trip at the same moment the lawmakers were voting to additional 45 billion dollars in ukraine. if you look through the scale of the course of the last year, you get a sense of how substantial it is starting with 13 point $6 million. 40 billion dollar packages. well this package of 45 billion dollars. 14 and break out with this current package actually represents, we get an understanding of the scope of things. it's not just military assistance. this package is defense assistance. but also 12 billion dollars for

the u.s. to replenish its own billion dollars in economic support as the country is going to have some semblance given the invasion. another $9 million in humanitarian support. you think of the civilian infrastructure targeting. if nothing else, the size of this package and symbolism of this moment. that's one thing i hear over and over from u.s. officials. there's no end this war coming anytime soon. in the words of president biden, . >> looking at all these figures because of yet to be quantified. thank you so much. >> new tonight as well, remember that moment that they were talking about with someone trying to encourage a witness to not be forthcoming. we said that they urged cassidy hutchinson to given misleading testaments. day with us.

>> i have a cnn exclusive

tonight. a summary of its final report, the january six committee said it's evidence that a trunk black attorney is misleading the committee. we now know who that witness was. we also learned that there referring to. we learned that stephen pasadena, he allegedly advised his client a former white house aide to forget that she remembered certain things. according to the committee, the lawyer said quote they don't know what you know. they don't know that you can recall some of these things. so, you say that you don't recall isn't entirely acceptable response to this. it is on a particular issue that would test about letting president trump. allegedly saying that they don't want to go there. then we'll talk about that. now, in a statement to cnn they seek low, i represented miss hutchinson honorably, ethically and fully consistent with her sole interests. she communicated them to me. back with us now, john goldberg and eisen. is there any doubt for going to the -- >> norm, norm, norm? >> i am acquainted with stefan pasadena. there is a family of former

white house ethics chiefs. we all keep in touch. i think you tried when he was in the trump administration, it was hard to keep and nonsensical course they have gone off course. to tell a witness that they don't know what you know, that they don't know you can recall something. to not go there. if that's true, if the committee has done their investigation he's gone badly off course. there is assigned to represent the election deniers. assault on our democracy even before we learned this. it's tragic when it happens to somebody whose job is ethics. i think he is that serious ethics exposure now some self. that's the plan how doj except information. >> but perjury in some way? >> as you know there is obstruction of justice, the committee. it's a congressional investigation, it's a proceeding in congress. there's perjury. we'll see what doj does with it. i believe cassidy hutchinson? >> i want you guys to weigh on this. i think there are some people out there that are not fanned

moyers. the will see how is this really different. doesn't everybody tell their clients like? this answer is no, they want to encourage truth telling obviously. but it's an idea that he was doing it for her soul interest. well who's, paying a spell? >> trump was paying him to represent her. this thing happens. his obligation is done zealously. and her allegation, if it's true, it's very serious. the notion of being like the ethics cop at some point, it's like a sensitivity trainer -- we are seeing this. all of mr. trump, rudy giuliani. john eastman and the committee hearing. these folks are all themselves getting into trouble. i can't think of anybody who got into trump's orbit and came out getting better. it's a pollute of everyone. >> if you look at the names that were named yesterday. there was trump but other than meadows all the main people who are named by the committee were lawyers. eastman, clark, chest burrow. giuliani. out of the six people there is

a real establish ability of corrupting serious people. or objecting with serious people. there is a political takeaway from this. it is that the criminal referral thing there's a moral necessity and all of that but legally it was sort of nothing. the justice department was already investigating it. the closing of the january six committee, passing along with these details leveraging people. new leads that they can follow. upon their when i see a, tricks but the actual transcripts of interviews is the stuff the doj's gonna get the most out of. >> and of, course the explanation of who's in that and others. we are talking to them and others aspect of it. i know that in reaction to all of this, it's not criminal to fall about advice from a lawyer. i don't stick round, we have more reporting on the tax return that is come out. we will talk about this in just

a moment.

is that the criminal referral. thing which were -- this at thick as legitimate historical thing to do. animosity to do. illegally was sort of a nothing. because just apartments already investigating. the real significance of the closing of the january six committee is the passing along of all these kinds of details. things that give doj leverage for interviewing people. new leads they can follow up on. upon their when i see a, tricks but the actual transcripts of interviews is the stuff the doj's gonna get the most out of. >> and of, course the explanation of who's in that and others. we are talking to them and others aspect of it. i know that in reaction to all of this, it's not criminal to fall about advice from a lawyer. i don't stick round, we have more reporting on the tax return that is come out. we will talk about this in just a moment.

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>> all right, we are getting some new information on the report. and house committee voted to release tonight. and around the tax returns, we have seen and chief congressional correspondent. live on capitol hill, what are you seeing? >> they acted to reports in the committee released tonight. when was a committee investigation of the mandatory presidential audit program that the irs is supposed to do on president -- and how that was done. another one, and analysis by the nonpartisan joint committee looking at donald trump's individual tax returns. as well as the returns from his businesses. there's an irs mandatory program and they find you it was not working. he was dormant at best this is an important program to ensure that he did not have any

financial conflicts of interest, he signs bills into law's. but in this case they say that is only the chairman of the committee making a request. in 2019 he was looking to look into donald trump's tax return. and that's when the audit took place. it was after the 2016 election in 2017 all the way up until january of 2021. now, the committee goes on to say a new investigation at the white house in 2019 presidential audit. but he was not at that time. it goes into concerns that they have their. it's a concerted response and what they have at this audit program. this analysis for the tax return is still pouring through it. it's a very technical analysis. he gives the summary of all these returns. there are some issues with further investigations. they've other business digestions. it isn't provide judgment on. that perhaps what they want to

look further into. that's the joint committee than opening a break here. very detailed. getting to the numbers and you can see on the screen right here. we are still trying to learn all the nuances of this report. it's selling these key committees wanted to know. it's ultimately part of what they want to turn over. we will ultimately release after some key information is redacted. we are getting an early taste of what the committee was concerned with and how they look at donald trump's taxes. >> we are all getting an early taste of how dense is materialize. you wonder how the perceived and received by the general public. thank you so much. >> another major story we're

following tonight. in a very big way, house select committee was referring to donald trump for the charges of their only instruction. this includes transcripts of what this interviews, federal investigators and what they've long been thinking. a source familiar with the handover and special counsel will end up with all of the evidence up the panel. meanwhile, rusty bowers was among the witnesses that we saw testify in public. sharing bright light on the pressure campaign to overturn the 2020 election results. >> did you tell the president that second call that you supported him? that you voted for him but that you are not going to do anything illegal for him? >> i did sir. >> nevertheless his lawyer john eastman called a few days later on june 4th 2000 of 2021. he did have a very specific ask. it required me to do exactly

what you told me the president wouldn't do. sending that would violate your oath. is that correct? >> that is correct. >> so, does he think the committee made the right call. let's ask him. rusty bowers is with us now this evening. mr. bowers, thank you for joining us today. >> given the testimony that we all given so well. to your personal experience with this set of facts in the case, you are very important witness for this committee. i'm wondering what you make for the decision that you had to refer on a president for criminal charges. >> well it's extremely disappointing that the actions of an individual would lead to this. it's the effects of many other individuals to support activity that in my view is contract to

the best interest of governance in the united states. i'm not a prosecutor, not a member of a grand jury. when the number of inter players in this commission. but i think the information of by witnesses in those with me and many others on she was a pattern that is corrupt we and manipulative. i think this harms america's view of the presidency. critical children are walking around with both eyes, no, of course not. but there is a basic respect for this institution but i

think the sorely lacking. that is being very kind. we it's very disappointing and it's complicit. not surprised by it and it's just hard. >> with the idea that it's contrary to law is closer to criminal. a former prosecutor myself, thinking about what this looks like a woodridge rock votive and the corruption, no collation. -- >> i think that would be a

i >> i watched the video of him saying to the president gordon finally 11,000 votes, or whatever. was and i was thinking, is this like, is this like a raffle at the local walmart. this, the idea that i could do that in my state and then over and over with other things, what he said to me, he was mr. giuliani was mostly the bulldog and our conversations. but he was very much present and very much support of and wanted my, quote unquote, cooperation. he never threatened me. i never felt like i was being

intimidated, per se. and i don't know if -- president of the united states might be intimidating. i never felt that way. but the overall package comes out that it's not only that it happened, but it was planned to happen. and that there were many participants at many levels trying to get this to happen, to push it through. some of them interacted with me. others interacted with others. so, it was a large deal. >> absolutely. >> >> the scope of it as, well rusty. do you want to see this president prosecuted? >> i think that would be a terrible thing to witness. i don't want it. it's not like i have some vendetta against donald trump. but that would be up to the prosecutors and up to those at the department of justice. they know better than i.

i don't have any particular pleasure in watching this all unfold. i think it's extremely sad. and i would like to see people evaluate all of ourselves. and my dad once said, you know, you look at a good man, you try to be like i'm. you look at a bad man, you look at yourself real hard. and i just -- it's a bad example. and i certainly hope that we can evaluate our own lives at all levels and do better, do better than this. >> well, my father always said give him the last word and i'll give your father the same. so, thank you so much. >> thank you very much for the opportunity. >> well, everyone, many have had the opportunity to travel recently. of course, it's been a long time coming for so many of us during covid-19. but travel can be nearly impossible in some parts of the country just in time for the holidays. we will tell you what you need to know to be prepared, right after this.

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the cnn weather center. derek, this is a huge storm. a lot of people plan on traveling this week ahead of christmas. tell me, what do they need to know about when this snowstorm is coming, and of course, the bitter cold that might be along with it? >> when is it going to arrive? look, it's already impacting the northwestern portions of our country. of course, it's in its infancy. tomorrow, meaning wednesday, it's going to pick up some steam. and then thursday and friday, that is the two days, those are the two days that will deliver our blockbuster winter storm right before the holidays. terrible planning, but the potential here for blizzard conditions, flash freeze temperatures dropping 50 to 60 degrees fahrenheit in some instances, and the potential for bitterly cold, cold weather that is going to be dangerous in many occasions. so let's highlight it, get to the brass tacks, because this is the storm system that, again, is impacting the pacific northwest, now making its way towards denver. denver, you will literally have a 50 degree temperature drop

from thursday into friday as that cold front slides in and draws in the arctic air. then by thursday afternoon, we'll start to see our first snowflakes fly in and around chicago. this is when the storm is deepening. this is when it's getting its most intense. and by friday, we continue to see the winds wrapping behind it and blew all the snow that's falling on the ground across the great lakes, the plains, and into the midwest. with rain, and by the way, along the east coast. this is a look at the 70 million americans that are under some sort of winter weather alerts. and i want to pay attention to the blizzard warnings that have just been hoisted across south central minnesota. now we also have 75 million americans under windchill advisories. and this goes from the border of canada all the way to the gulf of mexico. and huge population density. i mentioned the storm is still in its infancy. there it is. you can see it, not that impressive on radar right now. but trust me, it is coming, people. and it is going to pack quite a punch when it rolls through the central parts of the u.s.. in fact, this is some of the

coldest air in denver that they've seen in 32 years. we are going to have temperatures across the united states, really about 80% of the population experiencing temperatures below 32 degrees. 50 million americans below zero, that is incredible. >> i mean, i'm looking at my home state of minnesota right there. and the temperatures they're facing right now. everyone stay safe and keep apprized of what's going on. thank you so much. you know, tonight, the powerful house ways and means committee is releasing its report on former president donald trump's tax returns. we're gonna have the very latest, so stay with us. get refunds.com powered by innovation refunds can help your business get a payroll tax refund, even if you got ppp and it only takes eight minutes to qualify. i went on their website, uploaded everything, and i was blown away by what they could do. getrefunds.com has helped businesses get over a billion dollars and we can help your business too.

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