it's normal. with calhope's free and secure mental health resources, it's easy to get the help you and your loved ones need when you need it the most. call our warm line at (833) 317-4673 or live chat at calhope.org today. as eloquent as president zelenskyy's words were tonight, there was a moment towards the end of his remarks that spoke powerfully. he presented the flag yellow and blue covered in signatures. it was the furthest thing from an ordinary signature. the signatures from the troops there, their way of saying thank

you for this country's help. it's a historic night and of course cnn is going to continue to cover like no one else. erin burnett picks it up right now. good evening. i'm erin burnett and welcome to this special edition of "cnn tonight." ukraine will never surrender. those are the words of a defiant ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy preparing now to return to his war torn country, a country that until today he had not left for ten months. this is the only time, and he did it to meet with president biden and deliver that passionate speech before congress. we are standing by now for his departure from joint base andrews in maryland, a departure just to be clear here that comes with the highest security. i mean zelenskyy has a target on his back, and now of course they know where he's going. he's going home, but he got the most in his mere hours in the

united states, meeting for roughly four hours with president biden at the white house, then side by side with the house speaker nancy pelosi as he headed to capitol hill. this is, by the way, the last time pelosi will preside as speaker over a joint meeting of congress. zelenskyy received a rousing standing ovation as he appeared in his olive green fatigues, his sweatshirt with his trident on the front and wartime uniform instead of a suit and a tie. the ukrainian leader thanking the american people for standing with ukraine, asking for their continued support. >> and your support is crucial not just to stand in such fight but to get to the turning point to win on the battlefield. we have artillery, yes. thank you. we have it. is it enough? honestly, not really. >> not really. and then he went onto talk about how ukraine has defeated russia in the battlefield for the minds

of the world and he congratulated america for uniting the global community. at the end of the speech zelenskyy presented speaker pelosi with that ukrainian flag anderson was just showing, and this flag specifically signed by his forces who are fighting right now in the completely devastated town of bakhmut. >> we will win because we are united. ukraine, america, and the entire free world . [ applause ] >> today's consequential speech coming as zelenskyy is now getting some much needed support

that he has been asking for. today the u.s. announcing it will deliver its patriot missile systems to ukraine, part of a nearly $2 pillion aid package. and earlier during a press conference with president biden, zelenskyy and biden were both asked whether ukraine could receive the tools and weaponry needed, the amounts needed to actually defeat putin. >> his answer is yes. >> i agree. >> you can hear the laughter. it may have felt a little odd. it certainly did to me. it is in a sense an awkward laughter. it is no joking matter. this is the reality. it is the u.s. arming and providing zelenskyy with what he needs to defeat and fight putin. and today putin was adamant russia will not back down, insisting he's just begun

beefing up his military. zelenskyy has said of course he's target number one for putin and that is clear. the trip he made came with serious risks. russian forces now will clearly track his every move home. when he came out no one knew he was out until he was out of ukraine, but now on the way back the world knows where he's been and ulen skae knows it. ukraine's secret service says the agency was purging its ranks of people who could be helping putin. i do want to begin with phil mattingly because he's live at the white house, and phil, what more are you learning here as zelenskyy is preparing to go home? >> reporter: it was a consequential and dramatic day as president zelenskyy gave his remarks. president biden was watching the remarks live, top national security officials were as well in part because of just how -- their level of keen awareness about how important those

lawmakers that were gathered are for the future of the u.s. support when it comes to ukraine and also for the durability of the public's support in the u.s. for the war in ukraine. now, president biden has been unequivocal for months and once again repeated it today in public comments standing next to president zulen skae, the u.s. will support ukraine for as long as it takes, no matter how long it takes. but that is required to have congressional support as well. and congressmen and senators are very responsive to what their voters say and want. and therefore, at the white house as they watch these remarks play out, some of the remarks weren't necessarily welcome in terms of the areas where they may have been slightly critical with how the white house has offered its support up to this point. maintaining that support going forward is essential to delivering what president biden made clear very clearly today throughout the course of the day that in his mind there is no other option but to continue that support going forward. >> phil mattingly, thank you.

now let's go to kyiv and will rippley. and zelenskyy is now on his way to where you are, to kyiv, home. how do people there view this trip? >> reporter: well, the reality is, of course, this is triumphant moment and people will feel very proud of their president for giving that prime time speech in english and for securing billions of dollars of additional aid and weapons. but the sad reality on the ground here the majority of people even if they are up at this late hour might not be able to watch it because they don't have electricity, they don't have heat. a lot of people don't have water. so daily survival and figuring out how to keep the kids warm, how to get them fed, how to function in what was a very developed and, you know, modern society up until president putin tried to bomb them into the stone age. i mean these relentless russian air strikes including the air-raid sirens just today are a

fact of life, and that is a pressing concern for people. yes, they want as many weapons as possible. we've talked to soldiers or retired military who say they need as many weapons they can get. they want offensive weapons so they can try to take back crimea, which putin seized almost five years ago. they want to regain ground to the south and east. right now they're holding the lines but they're not able to regain especially as russia uses these mercenaries and there's a potential new front with russians assembling to the front in belarus. this could be a huge challenge facing the ukrainian military perhaps weeks away or months away depending on when, if and when vladimir putin decides to make his move and has those hundreds of thousand of conscripts ready to go. the ukrainian president despite this hugely triumphant moment

and historic speech he comes back to the reality this war not even far from over and some fear it may be beginning. >> thank you so much will rippley live in kyiv tonight. i want to go now to the retired brigadier general and the author of recruiter spying and the loss start of american intelligence. watching this tonight zelenskyy has just left the capitol, he's preparing to go home. he meet with biden earlier today. he comes, goes to the white house, meet with the president of the united states. he -- he goes to the capitol with nancy pelosi, he does his speech. he just yesterday -- yesterday was in bakhmut getting the flag he presented to nancy pelosi. and just to show everyone what bakhmut looks like, okay, what he was seeing with his eyes, what he is seeing every day in a war zone he's not left for ten

months, he lives in a veritable bunker, he's not left one single day. he's got a target on his back. this is what he's seeing a country filled with rockets and mines, and then he lands -- he lands in washington, d.c. general, how hard is this on a human level for someone to do? >> oh, it's tremendously hard especially for a leader, especially for a commander who understands that he has the entire weight of his military in this case the entire nation on his shoulders. that is one of my concerns. i don't see a lot of depth in the leadership below president zelenskyy, and one wonders how long he can keep this up, but thank god he is because he's doing a marvelous job both as president and as a military commander. >> well, and you call it keep it up. i should emphasize yesterday he was in bakhmut. just the actual math of the time no one has any special powers there. to get from there to here there was no sleeping anywhere except maybe a train briefly or

military plane. he is running on less than empty and continues to do it. to that point i want to play again the moment that zelenskyy walks into that joint meeting of congress right after we've contextualized this a bit, and let me just play it and let everyone watch. [ applause ] >> he seemed emotional for an instant or two there. doug, what do you see when you watch this and you see this -- this leader but also this man and also this human being coming into that moment? >> thanks, erin. what you see playing out here is the information battle in this war, and zelenskyy's conscious

effort to show himself as human and rulinable i think is good for local politics, and politics is local. he came here with high expectations and high stakes. he has to challenge the messaging that the russians are trying to use and amplify that this is america's battle, we have more to lose by being in it. and what he's trying to convey that this really is our war and this is part of what putin seeks to do, which is much broader and about coming to the west about trying to reverse the fortunes that he believes the west took away from russia. >> i want to play a moment from the press conference earlier today with president biden just in terms of when you're talking about what his goals are here, that he needs continued massive support from the united states. let me just play this. >> can we make a long story

short and give yukraine all capabilities it needs and liberate all territories around it sooner than later? thank you. >> his answer is yes. [ laughter ] >> i agree. >> and general, that was that sort of awkward laughter because of course it's not funny, but there was that moment when the question was why can't you just give everything to them -- why can't you give ukraine everything it needs and get this over with? he meet with kevin mccarthy who likely was going to be the gop speaker in days. mccarthy's caucus is not united on what they're going to do. will the u.s. continue to fund as it has been funding, right? there's a lot more patriot missile systems ukraine is going to need and want. they're only getting one right now. >> i think they will.

i think once republicans have mental power and the responsibility that comes with that power, they're going to recognize the importance of this mission. but i also think that's why zusle zelenskyy came. he's worried about us. his troops aren't stopping, but if he loses america in this, he's going to lose this fight. so he's here not only to demonstrate they're doing a good job but also to tell americans hang in there with me. >> and in terms of the timing, right? we have ten days warning on this. that's what we understand only ten days ago did this even start, but the sudden unexpectedness of it seems purposeful. ahead of the transfer of the power of congress and at christmas. >> oh, i think he couldn't have found a better time. this is not serendipitous. he thought deeply and his advisers thought deeply about where are we, what's happening in america. if we lose america, we're going to lose this fight. i need to get over there and

explain to the american people and the american congress about what he need from them. >> and doug, zelenskyy also said today that he's, quote, here on the same podium as the president of the united states. and he said that sends a clear signal to putin, right? very, very clear about that. what signal does it send? >> he's sending signals to different audiences, and one way of course he's sending a signal to his domestic audience which has great expectations for him to come back with a shopping bag full of new toys and money and such. and to putin showing that solidarity with the united states, i mean, this is really what putin attacked ukraine over in the first place, the belief that ukraine was falling into the western orbit -- into the american orb. so there's a whole lot of messaging going on here, and messaging as the general said is critical here in solidifying the support in the united states, but also the continued support and union of the military allies and union in the west. >> general, i want to ask about the optics here so much more

than that. today what zelenskyy wore, we just saw him on the screen with the president and first lady. he wore his green pants and his green sweatshirt with the ukrainian trident. this is what he wears every single day. every single day of the war when we see him that's what he's worn. this is not a shallow point about wardrobe. his clothe now define his leadership to the world in a subtle and powerful way. and there was that dramatic unfurling of the flag at the end of his speech that he did, but what do you make of this, this -- it almost seems he kind of stumbled into this uniform as it may be, but it has become something that to the world now symbolizes him and ukraine. >> yeah. first of all, it shows solidarity with his soldiers. i'm wearing virtually the same uniform as you are. but he understands as doug said the power of message, the power of the narrative. it's iconic, and he realizes that he has much responsibility

as a leader to rally the world behind him as his troops do to killing russians. so he is very intelligent. obviously his actor background understands how to talk to an audience, and he's capitalizing that and leveraging it to great, great fulfillment in the mission. he's setup for himself and his people. >> thank you both very much. i appreciate it. and next zelenskyy says american help is not charity. it is an investment. so how much of an investment does zelenskyy want the u.s. to make? let's speak an to america who's been advising the commander in chief of the american forces. plus biden says his meeting sends a critical message to putin. so will the russian president ruretaliate or is it all hot air? and the january 6th committee tonight releasing dozens of transcripts from witnesses. this happened amidst the speech. they reveal what mike flynn, roger stone and others told the committee.

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warned this. >> it is just a matter of time when they will strike against your other allies if we do not stop them now. we must do it. >> something heard in georgia, moldova, kazakhstan, and other places. joining me now the special commander in chief to the american armed forces and the only to meet repeatedly with the ukrainian staff. let's start with the patriot system they're now going to get. they've been asking about this and this goes back years. here they are, they're finally going to get one. it's going to take months to train the ukrainians how to use them. we understand and they're getting one battery for the patriot system. what are they getting? how is it -- what is it really going to have in terms of an impact, and what are they going

to need. >> the patriot system is a high altitude long-range missile. it's an expensive systemch. a battery is roughly 100 soldiers. i'm hoping we've done this in parallel and started training them prior so we can train these systems. >> you're saying this system they're getting now is going to be 100 people. >> 100 ukrainian soldiers will be trained most likely in poland or germany and they'll feel the system. the system will most likely be to protect kyiv, so it's not going to have an effect on the battlefield, but it'll have an effect on the soldiers in the field whose families are under fire. when russia is getting attacked right now -- >> and you're going to keep needing missiles to come in. if you're using a bunch a day, you've got to get 4 million a pop every time. >> i would say they need at least eight pat batteries if they're going to protect the

main population centers, but it's a step in the right direction. unfortunately wave been drip, drip, dripping in this war. i would prefer we go straight to a large number. we have them, we can give them. state department is concerned about escalation, very valid claim. but this is defensive weapon only going to attack inbound aircraft and inbound rockets. so pilots and the russian pilots are not going to be able to hide anymore. >> there's a certain point where if you're going to do it and they say it's the end of the world if you do it, just do it. don't do one of them and be like there's a difference between one and two. you're saying they need at least eight of those. you've talked a lot about cluster munition war heads and why you believe those make a lot of sense, even though they're frowned upon by much of the world the u.s. has a lot of them, and you think ukraine should have them. you were on this show six weeks ago when they submitted the actual request. so where do things stand with that. >> i've spoken to the joint chiefs about this.

i'm constantly in touch with ukraine about it. at this point we have not given them any. we really need to. they will basically multiply the artillery shells at five to ten times more lethal. i've seen the artillery we're firing. it's high explosive. it's like throwing a dart at an ant. you want to throw a flamethrower at a bunch of ants. this is how you increase lethality and win the war. >> this is game changer you think above all else. >> at this point the biden administration does not want to go against the countries that have signed the cluster munitions, which is mostly west europe. eastern europe virtually none of the countries signed it, estonia, latvia, lithuania, they did not sign it because they knew if they were attacked by the russians they would need to use it. the russians are using cluster munitions, which doesn't mean we should use it. they use it against civilians. that's illegal. that's a war crime.

we would like to give it to ukrainians to use it against military targets and they'll send in teams to clean it up. that's the usual argument there's an unexploded ordinance. they'll follow it up and get it. ukraine right now has got a lot of good defensive weapons like the patriot, but they need to go on the offensive to get rid of the russians out of the country, and that requires a lot of offensive weapons, which we're not giving them them the amount to win the war. >> that's a crucial thing to understand. as zelenskyy makes history with this trip to the united states, putin's defense minister is calling for an expansion of the russian army. and breaking news, more records just released by the january 6th committee here in these last minutes. we now have transcripts -- transcripts from several crucial people. we're going to tell you who and what they said under oath. the rent-a-car industry is the definition of boring. and ththe reason can be found in the name itself.

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president zelenskyy preparing to return to ukraine and the war zone after his historic address to congress sending this plea to the people of russia. telling them that putin has lied to them about his invasion. >> the russians will stand a chance to be free only when they defeat the kremlin in their minds. >> this comes as ukraine's defense intelligence releases what it says is a new intercepted call. and this shows a russian soldier painting a dire picture of the

conditions and morale. and i want you to hear it for yourself. >> translator: where is our so-called new equipment that they are advertising and talking about? i don't have a [ bleep ] clue. >> everyone is concentrating in the kherson direction. >> translator: yes, of course, literally everyone, right? >> translator: yes, t-90 tanks, everything is heading there. >> translator: we have a lot of 500s, a whole lot. >> translator: what does that mean? >> translator: 500s, those are the ones who throw down their weapons and say you can all go [ bleep ] yourselves. >> translator: i am not going to fight anymore and then they just [ bleep ] off. that's a 500 for you. >> joining me now retired lieutenant general mark hurtling, former commander general for europe and seventh army. the website focused on russian security services and has been blocked in russia and also the author of the compatriots, the

russian exiles who fought against the celllen. thanks so much to both of you, as you've been covering all of this for ten months here all of this together. and general hurtling, putin now says he has no doubt russia's goals will be achieved and says it as zelenskyy is in washington. sergei of russia has announced a massive increase in the size of the russian military from 1 to 1.5 million personnel. obviously 100,000 of them or so were already dead in ukraine, but they're announcing a mass increase. is this real? could this really happen or is it total bluster? what do you think, general? >> i think a lot of it's bluster. >> you know, the point is mr. putin continues to announce what he's going to do in terms of mobilization of forces. in las vegas, erin, this is called throwing good money after bad. he just continues to attempt to

mobilize forces. he's seen a great range within russia itself of young 18 to 24-year-olds leaving the country trying to depart to avoid this kind of stuff. he has proven decidedly that he does not have the equipment. there's no doctrine that the soldiers are following that's effective. their leaders are corrupt and immoral, and they are not -- they're actually contributing to the failure as opposed to preventing it. there's a lack of ability to adapt to the battlefield conditions, and the final thought is any modern army that performs well on the battlefield has trust in their leaders, their equipment, their doctrine, and the support of the people. the russian soldiers do not have that, so it doesn't matter how many he's mobilizing. it just means that more of them are going to die on the battlefield. >> so andre, you know, the general talks about trust. we realize it does not exist in many cases between the russian

soldiers themselves, between ones who are already there and new conscripts and many of them and their commanders. that latest intercepted phone call -- and i know you and i have talked about so many of these. but the one we just heard about people pulling a 500 and f-bomb and i'm not fighting anymore, i'm just walking off, this is in line with so many calls and videos that we have heard and seen that show a dire situation among the russian troops. major equipment issues putin knows about all this. does he andre, or is he in the dark? what's the reality? >> today when he decided to his military commanders he looked to be delusional. it looks like he still believes he's in total control of the whole situation. he constantly was talking about the new objectives for the war,

that we have this conflict for centuries, we're going to win, we're going to increase our army. and because of the unrest -- and the problem is some kind of dissent he had in public opinion, in russian social media are suppressed by the kremlin and russian security services. so the only picture we can actually see is complete obedience, and that is why he still believes that he is in control. >> general, today putin said, quote, we need to continue to support and improve the readiness of russia's nuclear weapons. what do you think putin's next move will be here. he's been so clear there will be one in response to the patriot, so what does he do? >> well, he -- he's not going to have much of an effect on the patriots to be honest with you, erin. as you talked to some of your

last guests about the size of that force, that's a relatively small battery that's going to have probably six launchers around ukraine -- i'm sorry, around kyiv. they're going to be heavily guarded, and he doesn't have the capability to attack them. what we've seen mr. putin and his military do is attack more of the civilian population than he has ukraine's military. so, you know, the comment about continuing to polish his nuclear capability is something that he's been saying and threatening since the beginning of this war. and he has made a lot of bad mistakes both operationally, tactically and strategically. this would be a huge misstep on his part. and i think he knows the repercussions for the use of any kind of nuclear weapons would be catastrophic because that's what president biden and others within the administration has told him and his administration.

so this is just more threats, more bluster by mr. putin. and i sure home his nuclear force is a lot better than his conventional force because his conventional force has not shown any capability whatsoever. >> thanks to both of you this evening. and next there was another major meeting between world powers in the past 24 hours. and this one was really important. it was between russia and china, and it was the same day that zelenskyy met biden. and breaking news. we now know who said what to the january 6th committee. dozens of transcripts just released here in this past hour as this breaking zelenskyy news has happened. we have some major developments on that, and we'll have that for you after this. ”. but seririously we need a reliable way to help keep everyone connectedd from w wherever we go. well at at&t we'll help you find the right wireless plan for you. so, you can stay connected to all your drivers and stores on america's most reliable 5g network. that sounds just paw-fect. terrier-iffic i labra-dore you round of a-paws

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♪ call one eight hundred, eight million ♪ tonight a united front. president zelenskyy speaking to how crucial the united states support has been, and it's been incredibly bipartisan for ukraine in his speech to congress. >> our two nations are allies in this battle. you have succeeded in uniting the global community to protect freedom and international law. >> zelenskyy's words coming as the russians made a point today to, well, publicly meet with china on the same day zelenskyy visited washington.

the same person who by the way said if the u.s. provides patriots to ukraine it's a legitimate target for all of nato -- he met with xi jinping in beijing. they talked about the war in ukraine. of course they don't use that word. china following russia's lead does not call the invasion a war at all. joining me now democratic senator chris koons who sits on the foreign relations committee. you were there in that room tonight where president zelenskyy came in, that emotional entrance. he referenced a peace plan that he discussed with president biden. and, you know, do you know any details about what this is? >> do i know any details about his discussion with president biden? no. but i know that he gave an electrifying speech. there was as your screen is showing rounds and rounds of

standing ovations. he reminded us about the courage, the determination and the sacrifice of the american people. he thanked us, thanked the american people, thanked president biden. and as you know we are working tonight to pass the fy '23, the upcoming year spending bill that would provide an additional $45 billion in humanitarian, economic, and military support to the brave ukrainians who continue to fight to expel the russian occupiers from their nation. >> senator coons do you think it'll get them through next year? they're going to want more than that, who knows, six, seven, eight, or whatever they want they're going to want more. does it cover what they need or are the republicans going to need to pass more money? >> i'm optimistic it'll meet what they need for the coming

year both for the economic and military support but frankly that's in part because we're counting oun our european allies to continue to be strong supporters of the ukrainian people both in taking in and supporting ukrainian refugees and in continuing to provide military and economic support. the united states is not carrying this burden alone. it's the ukrainian people who are doing the fighting, and it's our european partners in nato and in other places around the world who are also contributing to the cost. yes, the united states is the single biggest contributor. and depending on the turn of the war in the next couple of months, it is possible we would need to provide more, but i think this significant appropriation, erin, would send a very strong signal to putin that the united states stands united in bipartisan support of ukraine going forward. >> obviously. but it's significant you said, look, europe needs to do more. in part the u.s. has been drip, drip because this has all been

part and parcel of the same issue. the meeting today with zelenskyy and of course his appearance in front of the joint meeting of congress came, senator, as dmitry who's issue so many threats nuclear and otherwise but so many threats about the patriot system specifically met with xi jinping. what's your understanding of that meeting, of what happened there and what it was about? >> well, public reporting on this meeting suggests that president xi cautioned russian leadership to not be more aggressive on ukraine. look, for a long time china's position globally has been that they respect national sovereignty. and they have been put in a very difficult position by having aligned themselves with putin and putin now having carried out a bruten invasion of ukraine. as you said in your introduction to this piece they don't call it a war. they don't call it an invasion, and they keep calling for negotiations and for peace. but this puts them in a tough spot internationally because

china's long commitment to territorial sovereignty is something that is clearly being crossed by russia's ongoing aggression and occupation and intended annexation of portions of of ukraine. >> senator coons, i appreciate your time. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> the senator still in washington along with the est rest of the senate waiting to pass that omny bus and waiting to see if they can indeed do that before christmas and get home. and those new records i referenced released by the january 6th committee coming out now. we have 34 transcripts -- right now 34 transcripts trying to go through them. we're going to give you the information who said what, when, and how. and ukrainians are making do with just a few hours of power a day. wait until you see this image. i really want to play it for you. this is a teacher in kyiv, and i'm going to it to you in a minute.

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you get advice like... just stop. go for a run. go for ten runs. run a marathon. instead, start small with nicorette, which will lead to something big. breaking news from the january 6th committee. we have just gotten 34 transcripts -- 34 transcripts of interviews with key witnesses. this includes former president

trump's national security adv advisor michael flynn, john eastman, roger stone, as well as far right conspiracy theorist alex jones. so we've got 34. keep in mind there were like 1,000 people who testified, so we're going to get a lot more, but 34 is a lot, and some of these are important big ones. and we're also learning just in these past minutes that the committee's highly anticipated final report which had been expected today will now be released tomorrow. perhaps they decided to wait because the eyes of the world were of course on president volodymyr zelenskyy. let's go to sara murray now who's been going through these transcripts. sarah, there's a lot, 34 transcripts, but some of them are quite terse shall i say. what can you tell us? >> i think terse is a good way of putting it. you know, this batch of transcripts what they really have in common is these are witnesses who did not want to answer the committee's questions and in many of these cases invoked their fifth amendment right against self-incrimination. in the eastman transcript he asked about legal memos he wrote. he invokes the fifth amendment.

roger stone remember he was convict of lying to congress in the russia investigation and later pardoned by trump. he pled the fifth to every question he was asked. and jeffrey clark, the former doj official, he had a pretty combative set of two depositions with the committee. in the first one his lawyer presented the committee with 12 pages of their objections, and in his second deposition with the committee he pleaded the fifth roughly 120 times. so it gives you a look at how investigators were not able to maybe get all of the answers they wanted, but you learn a lot from their questions. even from these witnesses that were not willing to answer investigator's questions in the questions they asked, you can tell they've been able to obtain e-mails these people are involved in, text threads these people are involved in. so it gives you an idea the volume the committee has even with witnesses who are not committed to answering the questions. >> now let's go to ryan goodman.

okay, so you also have had a chance to go through these. what stands out to you when you go through the 34 that we have thus far? >> so part of what stands out to me are the kind of key questions that the witnesses refused to answer and claim the fifth. in a jury with a criminal trial you're not supposed to draw any negative inference, but in a civil case you are allowed to do so, and the committee itself could have done so. so for example, roger stone is asked did you have any communications with president trump on january 5th or january 6th, pleads the fifth. the doj official jeffrey clark did you meet -- and takes the fifth. i think the american public can draw inferences and understand this is a pretty strong indication of some form of guilt. they are trying to hide something and it's probably something incriminating. >> i know as you said the former president trump famously said

don't plead the fifth if you're innocent. but to your point you're not supposed to infer in criminal cases, but it's pretty clear. if jeffrey clark could have said no, he should have said no. i had no meetings -- easy question. easy question except for if the answer is yes. what other ones -- let's just say you look through this and you look at fifth amendment, fifth amendment, fifth amendment, fast reading in some sentences. can the doj overcome that? if these are referred to the doj can they get answers to this? >> a great question. it's a roadblock from the committee but not necessarily for the department of justice. what special council smith has to face he can immunize these people, now you have to testify and they have no choice. but his choice is whether or not to immunize someone like jeffrey clark or roger stone and not prosecutor them. that's his choice to make because he can overcome the fifth if he wants to. >> tomorrow as i said, right,

they had about 1,000 interviews. they're going to be releasing a lot of transcripts. we've got 34. some of these are very crucial. what are some of the others you're going to be looking for because we do anticipate a big dump of these tomorrow. >> i think the bill barr one was an important one. he was a right-hand person for donald trump, but he seems to have provided compelling evidence and i think for the american public and some of trump's base even he's a person that might change people's views, understanding what's going on. pat cipollone much more forthcoming than anybody knew, and i'd like to see -- >> and the committee was very clear to applaud him for his honesty and integrity in terms of speaking to them. now, just to be clear we looked through the executive summary. that was again depending on which print out you had between 90 and 100 pages. you're also saying tomorrow you anticipate more. that in those referrals we saw four charges that we could get referrals that are much more detailed. why is that important? what are you looking for?

>> so we have two types of referrals put in like two tiers. tier one is referrals people should be charged with crime. that's where they have donald trump under four different criminal statutes. then we have a second tier where there's evidence of criminal wrongdoing that should be investigated. that's it ones where it's the lawyers trying to coach witnesses to lie or witness tampering and intimidation. those are unnamed. it would be very interesting to know if they're actually named in the report tomorrow. >> and could be serious liability for those attorney. ryan goodman, thank you very much. a big night for that committee and obviously a huge day tomorrow. next, a ukrainian teacher committed to teaching and just -- we're going to play this for you. it is a pretty amazing moment.

and finally tonight, president zelenskyy says putin's

invasion won't stop christmas. >> we'll celebrate christmas, celebrate christmas and even if there is no electricity, the light of our faith in ourselves will not be put out. >> the power in ukraine growing more dire. an expert on ukraine's power grid says it capital will at best have no more than ten hours of electricity a day in january, the coldest month in kyiv. the lack of power because of russia's strikes on civilian infrastructure. those attacks taking out power, heat, and the internet, which leaves kids unable to even attend classes virtually unless they go outside. and one extremely resourceful teacher has found a way to teach no matter what. look at her. she's on the street, no wi-fi inside. goes outside in the freezing cold, sets up shop at a parking lot at a super market. that's where she is. according to ukraine's defense