go, i want your counterargument to what congressman raskin is saying. remind the people why the electoral college was reformed and the benefits it holds? >> the supporters say it supports smaller states. because you have this measure, smaller states get attention in elections. but there are many critics of that, they feel it's outdated and feel we should move to a more direct system. that's a very hard reform to achieve. we've tried it before. but, again, it's an important conversation we need to look at. >> it's about whether it represents the majority of the people in the country in part. julian zelizer, thank you for joining us. cnn this morning continues right now. we are in a war.

this is a war with mother nature, and she has been hitting us with everything she has. this will go down in history as the most devastating storm in buffalo's long storied history of having battled many battles, many major storms. >> well, good morning everyone. buffalo, they're waking up to a lot of snow, deadly snow. we're glad you're with us on cnn this morning. i'm poppy harlow alongside sarah said near. it is monday, december 26th. you were listening to new york governor kathy hochul describe what has been unprecedented the terms of the pain suffered by the good people of buffalo. she calls this winter storm the most devastating in the city's history. we'll take you there live. >> this weather event is directly responsible for the deaths of at least 37 people overall across the entire country. now, in buffalo, search teams believe they're likely to find more victims who have been

trapped in their cars for over two days in that. >> right now there is a state of emergency in western new york. at least 17 weather-related deaths are being reported. most in that buffalo region. new york's governor requested more emergency disaster relief from the biden administration. close to four feet of snow in parts of the region means a state of emergency remains in effect. at this hour more than 12,000 people without power in erie county. most of the outages in buffalo where the temperatures were again in the teens overnight. an add20 state's emy resort been saying morning, it is still snowing there. >> good morning. yeah. it's letting up a little bit right now, poppy. we expect these snowy conditions to continue into tomorrow. that's why we heard the mayor warning residents if they violate a driving ban that is

still in place for buffalo this morning, they could face a summons. that's because that fresh coat of snow covering a lot of these streets and highways leading in and out of buffalo. those public works folks, they are going to be out in full force again today to make sure they can clear out as much as they can. they certainly don't want to take a step back when it means the cleanup process here and to get to some of those folks who may potentially still be stranded. we expect an update from buffalo officials to see exactly where things stand regarding the rescues. we heard of yet another storm-related death, a 22-year-old woman who was found inside her car. we found out about that early this morning. authorities right now are certainly going to be focusingyf christmas weekend hunkered down in their homes in many cases without power. they want to make sure that anybody who can potentially need help will actually get it.

in terms of full relief, we are expecting finally that snow band that meandered up and down over buffalo and then back south to finally dissipate in the next day or two according to forecasters here. by the end of the week 50 degrees, poppy. you can only imagine what folks here on the ground are feeling. that day cannot come soon enough as they can finally feel free of this wicked winter storm, ground zero for this massive winter storm. >> so sad to see the deaths as a result of it. polo, thank you for your report. let's bring in erie, new york, county executive mark poland. thank you very much for your time. it's tragic what is happening. the latest death toll we have from the storm is 16. is that still the count? >> good morning, poppy and sara. the medical examiner's office as of late last night confirmed 13

da deaths. we do no additional bodies have been received. they're trying to determine if those were storm related. we'll give an update at 9:00, and we will likely increase the death total as a result of the storm. >> we'll carry that update for people to see here. i was struck by the fact that even your first responders had to be rescued. i think that speaks to how severe this is. >> yes. the storm is the worst that i can remember. i remember the blizzard of '77. i was nine years old. this serpased it with regard to voracity. two-thirds of those that went out during the storm got stuck. we had to send specialized trucks to go get the rescuers, law enforcement, first responders, fire, emts. it was horrendous.

we can handle snow. with the wind, the blinding views, it was tw-- >> you guys are the best at handling snow in the country. i say this as a native minnesotan. we had a family on last hour. they had four little kids. their power went out. they needed to leave their home to try to find heat, find a hotel. they couldn't get there. they get stuck in their car, rescued by these mamazing firefighters. what do you do if you've got to get your kids out of the home because there's no heat but it's very dangerous on the road? >> well, we certainly say if it's a life-threatening situation, potential imminent death you call 911. we have a phone number,

716-858-n 716-858-snow which allows individuals to call and we will try to assist. thankfully the local power companies knocked off over 50% of the outages. as we noted yesterday, some of the substations actually froze. they had to go in and dethaw the stations and see if they needed to replace equipment. it was a horrible situation. buffalo fire department historian said this was the first time in buffalo fire history they could not respond to emergency calls because of how severe the conditions were. none of us have ever seen it. i don't ever want to see it again. as i said, we have 13 confirmed deaths and we expect that to grow. it's a horrible, horrible situation, at any time, nevertheless the christmas holiday. >> you say the substations froze. i think about deicing, the way they deice a plane wing. i don't even know how you do that to a substation. what can you guys do if there

are more storms like this to come? >> well, first off, i hope we never have more storms like this. about 4 1/2 weeks ago had had more than seven feet of snow fall in erie county. many of the southern towns as well as part of the city of buffalo, we were open two days after. we can handle heavy snow. the problem was the winds. we had hurricane force winds. we had 79, 80-mile-an-hour wind gusts sustained for a long period of time. when when they dropped down to 60 miles per hour, it was still whiteout conditions. today it's been snowing very hard in the city of buffalo in some of our suburbs, 2-3 inches per hour. that's why a driving ban is in effect for a good portion of erie county. the main center of erie county, the city of buffalo and the suburbs are all still in a driving ban because of how bad the conditions are for trying to

get around in the community. >> an important reminder for people. stay home to stay safe if you can. erie county executive mark poloncarz, thank you. >> thank you for everyone's thoughts. just how long with this dangerous weather stick around? meteorologist chad myers is joining us. yo you're from buffalo. >> even the blizzard of '77 he was talking about, the winds were about 40 miles per hour. when you take this wind at 80 miles per hour. you've shoved the snow farther inland. farther across the kensington expressway, even into kenmore which are the north towns which aren't used to it. normally we get the south towns. temperatures in the teens and 20s. 43 inches of snow as of last night. it's been snowing all morning. the 92 we had for this season so

far will likely far surpass the 95 which is the record for any year from one solid year from july to june, their snow year. we're already there, and we're not even to the new year yet. there was the snow he was talking about. the south town picking up earlier through buffalo, but shift b up torgt north ton wanda and the like. a lot of snow on the ground. two to three feet. it starts to settle a little bit. that means it gets heavier when you try to shovel it as well. there is the light at the end. that parmer air to the west, it shifts to the east today. in fact, even buffalo all the way to 50 degrees by the weekend. that will help melt. what do you have to do with that? you have to shovel out the gutters and the greats and the drains so when that melting snow just doesn't flood your streets. there's a lot of work for those people to do yet. chicago warms up again, and all of that warmth spreads to the east. even new york city, the southeast, all a bad memory.

for a lot of people that was a very, very bad memory. >> sounds like they're going to have to update with a higher death toll in buffalo at the top of the hour. >> afraid so. >> we appreciate it. president biden expected to sign a major spending bill this weekending one of the most successful legislative sessions in decades. >> the house voted to pass the strending bill as government funding was set to expire. phil mattingly is live at the white house. good morning, phil. hope you had a good christmas with all those little ones running around. what's your reporting on the president? >> yeah, me coming to work on this monday is an opportunity to exhale. >> can i just for a moment tell you i told my husband, i got to go to bed. i've got work. >> really tough to get away from the house on this one. while normal human beings were preparing for this weekend, you noted the house passed this $1.7

trillion spending package. the consequence is not just the package itself. a major spending package will fund the government through the end of september, changes to the electoral counteract which are significant when you consider this congress started with the january 6th attacks in 2021. i thlk to white house officials what this hammers home is the progress they've made over the course of the last two years, despite the politics, despite the partisan warfare. this president and his team have been able to get through more substantive legislation both on a partisan basis but also a bipartisan basis that anybody expected. why that matters beyond the ability to get things done to move forward their agenda, when you talk to white house officials, the longer term -- poppy, you know this better than anybody -- some of these pieces of legislation have two, three, four, five-year timelines when

it comes to how this country is structured. when white house officials look at what they accomplished, certainly they want to talk about it from a political basis, but when you talk about it from a pure policy basis, you're seeing a shift that the white house thinks will pay dividends for years to come. >> years to come. you've got 2024 election coming up sooner than a lot of this will actually be felt because they are these long-term investments and long-term strategies and shifts here. what do you think -- i know we're waiting for an answer from the president on officially if he's going to run again. the white house seems to be feeling good. he seems to be feeling really good. what does that mean for 204? >> i don't think there's any question about it. a senior official last week said i don't think this does anything to make the president less likely to run in 2024. they believe he laid out a case and has ended up proving that theory of the case over the course of the last two years.

this decision will come over the course of the next six to eight weeks. the president made clear he would speak with his family over thanksgiving and the period of the next week before making the final decision. expect a couple weeks after that before anything is announced. i'll tell you what i know from talking to senior officials across the white house, nobody is under the impression right now that the president is not going to run again. i have not heard any doubts, any concern. everybody is full speed ahead. the planning is full speed ahead behind the scenes. obviously the president has to say go. he'll make the final decision. when you look at what happened in the midterms, but also what happened on that policy agenda and the progress they've been able to make in their minds that thinks he's not going to go again. whether or not that changes, we're obviously on very high alert at this moment in time. right now it seems like all systems are go. >> phil mattingly at the white house with an easy morning. thank you, friend. >> thanks, guys. also this morning, officials

in el paso, texas, are scrambling to shelter hundreds of migrants in the dangerously cold temperatures. the they housed hundreds in the convention center on friday. cnn's camila bernal has been live in el paso, texas, for the last several days. people were sleeping on the streets. it was freezing temperatures, literally at freezing. what are you seeing now? >> reporter: it's a similar scenario. sara, these are the critical hours, when it is extremely cold during these early morning hours. when i talk to people, they always tell me these are the hardest. as you can see here, they're still sleeping under as many covers as possible. there's a lot of red cross blankets now. they're doing the best they can to keep the wind away. i think that's what's hardest in

these temperatures. a lot of people that i talked to here have told me it has been difficult physically, but it's also been difficult emotionally, especially during the holidays. i talked to a couple of people that just got here a few minutes ago and told me i did not expect it to be this way. i thought we were going to be able to go into a shelter. i told them, look, the shelters are at capacity. the problem is that a lot of these migrants that are sleeping out here don't have the proper documentation to go into the convention center, to use those city resources. the city even saying they were able to receive more money from the federal government. in total more than $10 million given to el paso. there's not a lot they can do for the people that don't have proper documentation. one of the things they can do is park a bus here. this is the only way a lot of these migrants can warm up. there is not one empty seat on this bus. it is not very warm in there, but a lot warmer than being

outside. this is the only option a lot of them have other than sleeping outside. a lot of the people here tell me, look, we don't want to stay here. we want to go where we have maybe a family or a friend who can help them. so they pass through here, but their goal is to buy a bus ticket or a plane ticket so they can get to a place that's more permanent for them. in the meantime, though, the city is left to deal with all of this and the non-profit shelters are left to deal with all of this and they are overwhelmed. it has been a very difficult last couple of days, sara. >> camila, before you go -- seeing that image is such a stark picture of the reality of what's happening on the border. you talk about them not having the correct documentation to go to a shelter. these are asylum-seekers, right? that's a legal process to come to this country for fear of your life of what is in your home

country to seek asylum. what do they need to be let in? >> reporter: so they need to be processed by border patrol. a lot of people here are choosing not to go through that process in part because of title 42. a lot of times they come in and they're being sent back to either mexico or to their native country, say venezuela or wherever they came from. they're terrified to be sent back, in part, because of title 42. they're choosing not to go through that process with border patrol and that's why they have to come to these non-profit shelters. >> thank you so much, camila bernal who has been out there for days with her crew. we appreciate it. the first christmas in ukraine since the war began interrupted by air raid sirens and blackouts. the blackouts threatening the lives of people relying on electric-powered medical devices. >> what happens to people if the machine doesn't work? >> they tie. >> they die.

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this morning ukrainians are learning to live with less electricity as russian attacks on the country's power grids could mean another blackout at any moment. but some are facing situations where the difference between having power could mean life or death. cnn's will ripley is live for us in kyiv with more on this situation that so many people have been living without power, but the temperatures are dropping significantly. it gets terribly cold there, will. >> exactly, sara. good morning to you. the temperatures expected to nose dive in the cog days which is not good news as the president warns of dark days ahead. bad news for people who rely on electricity just to stay alive. >> reporter: christmas in ukraine. even the air raid sirens don't get a break. >> so when the lights go out,

you use this. 12-year-old sebastian has an arsenal of battery powered lights for the blackouts so he can play with his small army of toy tanks. unfortunately this doesn't run on batteries. >> you use it as a weight. so that's how you stay strong. >> reporter: sebastian has situat cystic fibrosis. he needs a nebulizer to inhale medicine that keeps him alive. >> he could die without inhalations. we can't miss them, his grandma says. the first time we had a blackout, we took the machine and ran around looking for a generator. we found a shop where people charge their phones. we did it there. his grandmother shows us their small portable nebulizer. when the lights go out, it gets the job done, barely. >> that's machine number nine.

>> reporter: patients like him rely on help from a non-profit in kyiv. they've helped more than 6,000 people with breathing problems. the situation for many dire. >> what happens to people if the machine doesn't work? >> they die. >> they die. >> yes. >> reporter: when there's no light for 20 or 30 hours, you have to go to the hospital, she says. we have patients who went from the apartment to the car for two days because they charge their device with a cigarette lighter. the sound of a blackout, even more terrifying than the sound of sirens for olena. the sound is like a flat line she says. she's living with respiratory failure on the 15th floor. blackouts mean no elevator, no way to get to the bomb shelter downstairs. when you can't cook, there's no

heat, you can live with that. but when you can't breathe, it's your life. her portable respirator barely lasts two hours. it takes more than an hour to charge. each blackout puts her life at risk. for so many, victims of russia's constant cruel bombardment, this is life, if you can call it that. >> reporter: just imagine how terrifying it must be to be a 12-year-old boy and you need this machine to breathe. you have the panic of air raid sirens and bombs coming down and your parents are trying to find a store to plug in the machine so you can get your medicine. or that woman who can't even go to safety and her husbands have to stay up there on a high floor with her because she can't make the trip down to the bomb shelter that doesn't have a plug for her machine. it's really unspeakably cruel, but this is the reality, not just these patients but every

day folks. >> bless sebastian and olena as they go through this. that is really terrifying, on top of all the things that ukrainians have been through, they and others like them have to worry about life or death as the lights go on or don't. i want to talk about developments. a ukrainian drone targeted a russian base deep inside of russia. three people have been killed just as russian president vladimir putin says he's ready to negotiate. ukraine has been really really clear, president zelenskyy has been like no dice. they said -- they have to stop bombarding ukraine, stop the war and start backing up. is there any movement there? >> reporter: well, not only did they insist that russia stop and regive the territory that they took pre 2014, the ukrainians say this doesn't end until they

give back crimea where russians are holding gowned. they think this is not a sincere offer on the part of vladimir putin. they think they are buying time to train for early next year. that's what the head of ukraine's army has been saying. when i interviewed ukraine's defense minister a couple of weeks ago, he talked about the need for them to continue to bolster their defenses, not to waste time dealing with disingenuous talks from the russians. not only that, sara, as far as the drone attacks, ukraine hasn't claimed responsibility. they have this expression, be careful where you smoke because you don't want to start a fire. which essentially means what goes around comes around. that's their message, even though they're knost officially claiming responsibility for these drone attacks. >> ukrainians have dark humor to sheer no matter what happens in

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welcome back to cnn this morning. look at those images. a state of emergency still in

effect in western new york, an unprus dented winter storm has killed at least 17 people, most in the buffalo area also. an inside look at donald trump's re-election campaign. we'll speak with journalist olivia news see who pro filed the former president's run again. new england fan jerry edmond is here to tell us how he wound up getting the true vip treatment from patriots owner robert kraft. holiday travel is a nightmare again for many americans as more nan 1500 flights are canceled nationwide. the world's busiest airport, atlanta, topping the list of most canceled flights a day. cnn's carlos suarez is live at hartsfield-jackson atlanta international with more. the lines look like they're growing, not shrinking, carlos. >> reporter: yeah, sarah and poppy. good morning. a disaster is a built of an understatement.

this is the busiest i've seen this airport. we have been here since saturday. at this hour, 151 flights out of atlanta's jackson international airport have been canceled because of the cold weather. folks have to see a ticket counter to get a boarding pass, come over to drop offer their bags and head over to tsa where the line there is at least several hours long. across the country we're looking at well over 1500 flights canceled because of this cold weather. that number yesterday was well over 3,000. of course, we're talking about hundreds of more flights being delayed across the u.s. we quality up with one woman able to make it to atlanta but she's stuck here now. here is what she told us. >> i went to salt lake to see my sister for the holidays. everything was looking good, but the pilot, he got delayed. so we had our whole crew, everybody was good, but they had to cancel the flight because the

pilot got delayed. i was super lucky, christmas miracle, made the last night out to atlanta, spent the night here. hopefully i'll get back to tennessee today. >> reporter: as you can see, the real estate out here is a bit tight. folks are being told, if you have a flight out of atlanta get here really early because things aren't going to get a whole lot better. ladies. >> did he say seven hours? >> seven hours. >> you said hours in the tsa line. >> yes, hours. several hours, not seven. seven is pretty bad considering i've got a flight out of here myself. >> thanks, friend. make it out. coming up, journalist olivia news see pro filed former president trump for "new york magazine." she calls the beginning of his re-election campaign, sad, lonely, thirsty, broken and basically pretend, but she says that isn't to say he can't win. she'll join us with all she

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quote, the magic is gone. that's how one trump advisor put it in the upcoming issue of "new york magazine," washington correspondent olivia nuzzi takes a deep dive look at former president trump's, quote, quiet and lonely run for re-election. cnn reports that allies are worried about trump's slow start. nuzzi, for her part, interviews trump. it is a fascinating read. she also talks to some of his closest aides. one adviser says he's retreated to the golf course and mar-a-lago. his world has gotten much smaller. his world is so, so small. closed quote. olivia nuzzi joins us now. this is so riveting. inside his sad, lonely, thirsty, broken, basically pretend run for re-election which, in parentheses, isn't to say he can't win. what did you learn? >> it's very subtle. i think the sweep of history of the last seven years or so since

donald trump was first running for the republican nomination in 2015 proves that stranger things have happened and strange things may continue to happen and it's important to always factor that in. when i was working on this piece, i was going back and watching those primary debates, reading the coverage from that first period of that campaign. it was sort of humbling to see just how wrong everybody was, just how wrong i was, how wrong a lot of us were. i was trying to keep that in mind as i was assessing this campaign which is not going well. the only thing they've really done so far in this campaign is release an nft collection, and donald trump has dinner with a white supremacist and kanye west. so by any standard, it's not going great. >> i suspect the more that we in the media talk about him and hears this, he tends to be reactive. it will be interesting to see how he reacts to your piece which was, girl, i don't know

how -- i'm sure you're going to get a lot of comments. i want to read another quote that speaks to the sort of magic is gone idea. you say, quote, in this business, you can have it and have it so hot, and it can go overnight and it's gone and you can't get it back. i think we're just seeing it's gone. the magic is gone, according to an advisor. when you say the magic is gone, you're saying he's not going to be able to get it back, he is as of now the only person running as a republican for the presidency in 2024. how is that going to affect all the people who have stood by him? >> that was an advisor speaking to me, saying the magic is gone and that this person -- was not sure that trump would be able to get it back. i think that's sort of the difficult thing about a campaign that is really about a personality, is that even if it

were to be run in a really common sense way. it was really well run, would it really matter if the personality that the whole thing is built around, that the entire political movement is build around, if he's lost his mojo in some way. i don't know. i think donald trump when he's cooped up, when he's got his wings clipped historically is kind of a dangerous creature who is prone to listening to crazy ideas and doing crazy things. one former white house official talking about before the insurrection, before he officially lost the campaign in 2020, already he had become this sort of terrifying figure who in his covid isolation in the white house kind of locked away and kept from having contact with regular americans or just with more normal people who might be around him in a busy place like the west wing, he really had cracked and begun to lose his

mind and this person began to move further and further away from him. sara, in terms of what trump might think about this piece. it's like an 8 or 9,000 word piece. i don't think he'll sit down and read it. i think he'll look at the cover, look at the headline and think, it's fake news and move on from there. >> first of all, he talks to you. >> he loves attention and women and magazines in that order. i don't think it's all that surprising. >> wow. >> okay. you said it. i joked when i came in this morning, olivia's piece is amazing. it took me like an hour to read. it really was great. you open up by talking about how for 28 days he has not left the state of florida. he's like i leave all the time, i go to miami. but it's really to go to like doral and golf. talk about that and this team that runs to the piece of

smallness which is antithetical to what he wants and how he perceives himself. >> yeah. in 2015, he announced much closer to the actual nominating contests. but when he came down into the atrium of troum tower on that fabled escalator ride to hell, he immediately left and got on trump force one as he was calling his plane, went to iowa. the following day he went to new hampshire. shortly after that he went down to the border with rudy giuliani. it was a very quick, very rapid him just going directly onto the campaign trail and not really stopping until he won the election. this time he invited people to his living room and he hasn't left since. the campaign is very obviously self-conscious because the candidate is self-conscious about this. they're doing their best to proclaim he's extraordinarily busy. they sent a list of 11 events he

had allegedly taken part in, including the announcement itself, including five video events that he was not physically at, including a bunch of things at mar-a-lago. he isn't all that busy and the midterms are over. there isn't a lot of justification for a maga rally at this point. he's stuck there. he's at mar-a-lago and playing golf and people are coming to see him. i don't think he really knows what to do with himself in this sort of lame duck period as the only candidate. he's running against himself. >> at this point. olivia nuzzi, thank you so much. i'm halfway through so forgive me. you're such a great writer. >> thank you. >> i will read the rest. >> every word is so deliberate. >> it's a great piece. thank you. >> thank you. this morning's number is 0.4. we'll tell you why that is. >> a tiny number. that's the one. at university of phoenenix, you could earn your mamaster's degree

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hi, man. >> how are you? >> good to see you. i'll tell you, what you did was so classy and you represent what our whole franchise is about. >> that was robert kraft talking to patriots fan jerry edmond, welcoming him to foxborough. edmond went viral for keeping his cool despite being heckled and when i tell you heckled, she was in the man's face over and over and over again. she was clearly a raiders fan, y'all have such a bad rap. i mean, come on. following a brutal last-second loss in las vegas last week. he stood quietly and chose not to respond at all, he doesn't even move, as the raiders fan yelled in his face time and again at his very first nfl game. now, here is what happened after

the incident. he accepted an invitation to watch the patriots play at a home game from the comfort of, yep, robert kraft's box on saturday. that fan sitting there watching the game from the fancy boxes which i've never been in, jerry edmond joins us now. thank you so much for joining us, jerry. >> thank you for having me. >> you know, i have to start with this because you said something that was poignant that talks about the moment that we are in in this country. you said as a black man in america any reactive response would result in a lose-lose situation. tell us more about what you meant by that. >> just being in that situation, being who i am and being like around everyone i was, around everyone that was there, it was kind of just like me knowing any type of retaliation, any type of action on my end, it could have shifted the story, it could have

shifted the dynamic of the situation turning me into aggressor versus how it actually went and i didn't want to cause any trouble to anybody else, i just wanted to continue trying to enjoy the game the best way i could and not ruin it for anybody else, either. >> can i just ask you what she was saying to you exactly? i'm curious. was it just yelling like we are the best? >> no, she was kind of like -- she was swearing a lot in my face. it was more so -- i was more so focused on the field, trying to ignore her, like how we actually lost. so i guess that was kind of helping me ignore how she was coming at my face and everything like that, but it was more so like swearing and just a whole bunch of other expletives. >> you did what we all hope we would do, but i don't know if we would have patience for what you had patience for. let's talk about the happy ending to this. >> yes. >> and that is what bob kraft did for you. i heard at one point you even were face timing with jay-z.

is that right? >> yeah. yeah, it was after -- after he gave me the gift with my name on the jersey, he surprised me with a facetime with jay-z. >> that is so cool. can you just quickly tell me what that experience was like, because that was your first nfl game, right, where you were heckled and then you go to this f game in a whole different way. >> it's like my friend said, i think i peaked because you can't go from how amazing that game went and how my experience was with meeting robert kraft, facetiming jay-z, sitting in the suite, going out on the field. one thing that did make me feel good is going out on the field and everyone chanting out "jerry." people recognizing me, it was an amazing experience. >> you are an example, sir. >> i bet you even made bill belichick smile. >> i don't know about that. >> that was one thing -- that was one thing that made me happy, him walking up to me with a on