morning as the airline takes steps to resume regular services today after thousands of canceled flights and a week of travel headaches. that is putting it mildly. travel crises across the u.s. >> i'm under a routine audit and it will be released and as soon as the audit is finished it'll be released. >> in just moments that is actually going to happen. trump's taxes will finally become public but not because he is releasing them. instead, the house ways and means committee is going to make public six years of the former president's tax records. this will end that battle that began back in 2015 when trump announced his first run for president and he broke with modern precedent by refusing to disclose his personal financial information as a candidate and as a sitting president. so why are they coming out now? well, it is the supreme court in short. that november decision following a lengthy court battle is what paved the way for the release that's about to happen in just moments from now. this is significant.

lawmakers have rarely sought to make public confidential taxpayer information. there is some precedent. now we'll see a whole new one today. we'll go live to capitol hill this morning. what time are we expecting these to come out is what everyone really wants to know. >> reporter: this is going to happen around 9:00 a.m. so just less than an hour at this point and we are mere steps from the house floor where this is going to get entered into the congressional record. what you should expect to see today is the ways and means committee will release a press release that will include the following documents. one of them, trump's personal federal tax returns for the years between 2015 and 2020 as well as the returns for eight of his business entities. here's where the real treasure trove of information could come from, additional work files that the irs might have as they were looking over former president donald trump's taxes. we should talk about the importance of this moment because it is coming mere four days before republicans take control of the house of

representatives and we should note that this was really one of the last possible moments that democrats could get these documents into the congressional record before republicans take control and we didn't always expect that this information would become public. remember, when the ways and means chairman richard neil requested these documents back in 2019, he said he needed this information to understand how the presidential audit program worked. last week lawmakers had a closed door meeting in the ways and means committee to try to discuss what they wanted to do with these unlying returns. they voted. they decided along party lines to release them. but obviously a moment that republicans are calling unprecedented and coming just before democrats hand power over to the house republicans on tuesday. >> an incredibly important thing to remember. is this something we are going to see now, tit for tat in the future? lauren fox, we are standing by for 9:00 a.m. with that release. thank you. this morning newly released transcripts show the house january 6th committee's

interview with donald trump jr., the former president's son. they provide new context to a text that he sent to former white house chief of staff mark meadows right after the 2020 election. that text included a detailed plan from don jr. to try to keep his father in power for a second term. let's begin there with how he explains why he did that. >> right. poppy, what we're seeing here is people like donald trump jr. explaining why they did what they did. we already knew that donald trump jr. had sent a text message to mark meadows the chief of staff on november 5th essentially saying, you should look into the state legislators blocking the vote or electoral using fake electors to help trump win. and then what he says to the house select committee when they ask him about this, he says, the idea sounded plausible to him. that it seemed like an idea that was sophisticated and that he wanted someone to look into it. so he was going directly to the

person that was the closest conduit in the white house to the president his father at the time. that was mark meadows. and he was pushing this to mark meadows. meadows eventually did respond to him that he was working on things like this. we see later in other people's transcripts other actions that meadows took. others were recounting what they remembered from meetings and interactions with the white house chief of staff. one of them comes from christina bobb, the lawyer working with donald trump. she remembered a meeting where mark meadows met with senator lindy graham and graham said in christina bobb's telling just give me five dead voters. give me you know an example of illegals voting. just give me a very small snapshot i can take and champion so people like lindsey graham at the time after the election were very interested in trying to help trump advance this myth of voter fraud. graham ultimately didn't do anything with the information that the campaign provided because it was so implausible.

>> what else stood out to you as you were going through these transcripts? >> there's one of the things that you keep seeing in these transcripts is there is a deep bench of people in the white house who are witnessing all kinds of conversations. the white house was really consumed with what was happening, what donald trump wanted. one of the things, one of the people that spoke to the committee, a transcript that was released yesterday was stephanie grishams the former chief of staff to melania trump and a former white house press secretary. one of the things that she recalls is that people in the west wing were speaking about how donald trump was calling rioters trashy looking, that they looked trashy, but they were fighters so he was supporting them. and grisham also remembers that melania trump was not trusting people like some of the top lawyers around donald trump, rudy guiliani, sydney powell, at times not trusting her own family members to have the best

interests of donald trump at heart. she also brings up a story very briefly about an usher at the white house who was trying to help the biden transition team come in. donald trump and mark meadows didn't think that person was being loyal enough and potentially wanted to fire him until melania trump stepped in. >> so he, stephanie grisham says trump was watching january 6th and described the supporters storming the capitol as looking trashy. >> they looked trashy but were fighters and he appreciated that. all in the visuals. >> thank you. also this morning southwest airlines using a word that gives a lot of travelers a sigh of relief. normal after mass flight cancellations left thousands of travelers frustrated, stranded across the country during the christmas holiday. today flight, the flight tracking site flight aware says only 41 southwest cancellations are happening. that is after they had almost 16,000 total flights canceled

amid the chaos. the ceo offering a new apology just moments ago. >> let me just be straight forward here. the storm had an impact but we had impacts beyond the storm that obviously impacted southwest very differently. it really was the scope of the problems attempting to be solved just to move crews around, keep the airline moving. we have great tools. we have regular operations. those tools of process have served us well. this is something we have really never seen in our 51 years. we're making investments in our operational areas like always. there will be lessons learned from this and we'll continue to make more investments. >> live for cnn this morning at chicago's midway international airport, i know the ceo of southwest said he has been talking to transportation secretary pete buttigieg and having those conversations. what should the passengers who are behind you, those who have had their flights canceled be

expecting? >> reporter: so far here at chicago midway they are off to a great start. as you mentioned, yes, he has been speaking with the transportation secretary and they are aligned in their hope -- excuse me. they are alingned in their hope to do right by southwest customers. i feel like some of the travelers here getting tongue tied. a lot of those travelers are tired but want answers. listen in. >> our desire is to go above and beyond. we always take care of our customers. that is our 51-year history here at southwest airlines. we'll be looking at and taking care of things like rental cars, hotel rooms, meals, booking customers on other airlines, so that will all be part of what we're covering here as we reimburse our customers and make good on this issue. i want to be really frank. this has impacted so many people, so many customers over the holidays. it has impacted our employees.

i am extremely sorry for that. there is just no way almost to apologize enough because we love our customers. we love our people. we really impacted their plans. >> reporter: people are still feeling that impact. just moments ago i spoke with a traveler right here who was checking her bag. her name was velvet calhoun. we'll show you video of her. she said she was afraid to check her bags so that is just one example of the tangible concerns here at chicago midway. even though this information board looks different compared to what we've seen throughout the week. as you can see right here, on time, on time. boarding. on time. one flight delayed. but, still, some folks who are checking their bags are a little concerned in regards to their bags getting to their final destination safely. >> a lot of people still trying to get that unclaimed luggage. thank you. back to normal for the first time since 2020 crowds will

gather at full capacity in times square tomorrow night to ring in the new year. we're just a short distance away in times square. i have been on your assignment so many times. it's always so much fun because people are so excited. like people fly to new york from around the world. kaitlan is laughing, looking at me. like can we take a two shot please? she is so excited that i am so excited. it's really fun, gloria. i hope you're enjoying it. >> the biggest party on earth! it's the biggest party on earth. you have to be excited. it's the end of the year and people get to come here to times square to mark the end of the year, to the best place, the best city in the world, new york city. and as you mentioned, poppy, this year all restrictions have been lifted. outdoor events have not had any restrictions here in new york city. and in the last two years this

celebration was significantly scaled down because of covid. so we are expecting to see a big turnout this year. thousands of people likely to gather right here tomorrow starting early because if you want to get a good spot you have to get here early. >> we'll send kaitlan there next year to the biggest party. >> i think i might be sick that day. >> thank you, gloria. have a good time. >> have fun, gloria. all right. also this morning here in new york congressman-elect george santos is under pressure to explain several lies he has made about his background but now people are questioning, it is hard to even really believe this, whether he lied about his own mother's death. we'll tell you the details and the questions people are raising next.

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new york congressman elect george santos is facing new scrutiny this morning about the death of his late mother after already being under pressure to explain himself after he fabricated several parts of his background. in july 2021 the congressman-elect tweetd, quote, 911 claimed my mother's life but five months later tweeted that december 23rd marked the day he lost his best friend and mentor. santos' campaign website also makes reference to the story but claims his mother survived the

attack, passed away a few years later, a quote, from cancer. santos acknowledged fabricating claims about his education, professional background, philanthropic foundation, and even his jewish heritage. the republican jewish committee denounced that which recently said that he will no longer be welcome at any of their events. let me read you part of what they said. he deceived us and misrepresented his heritage in public comments and to us personally. he previously claimed to be jewish. he has begun his tenure in congress on a very wrong note. he will not be welcome at any future rjc events. thank you very much. by the way, republican jewish coalition. my apologies for that. joining us now is the former mayor in florida currently a board member of rjc. thank you for being here. it is just so odd that we have to even be talking about this with you about someone who made these claims and you met him as i understand it.

is that right? you met him in november at rjc's conference in las vegas. >> good morning. yes. i met him at the conference and he spoke presented as a new jewish congressman in the paper he presented to us and the public on his position paper on israel he identifies himself as a proud american jew. you know, it's really just ridiculous the world we're living in where he explains himself by saying, well he identifies as jewish but he was raised and is a practicing catholic. you know, the whole concept you can identify as something you're not and we are supposed to accept it is absurd. he is masquerading around as a jew for some perceived political benefit and that is really game over if my book. >> so when he says i never claimed to be jewish, he is lying? >> that is absolutely false. black and white in his position paper on israel which by the way on substance is a great position

paper. there is no reason to masquerade as a jew to try to gain support of the jewish community. the community will support you if you support the right issues. just saying you are an american jew, that is incredible. he did prove a republican can win the third congressional district in new york. he flipped that seat. it was 20-point swing, he won by over 10 points. luckily, congressional terms are short and in another two years he'll be out of there and we'll be able to put someone in there strong that actually is who they say they are. >> he also said gabriel that his grandparents, quote, survived the holocaust as ukrainian jewish refugees from belgium. and then he said they changed their surname to survive. he claimed himself to be an american jew and in another surreal moment says, no, no. i just meant i was jew-ish. your reaction to this claim of the holocaust?

>> we're living in a time when people don't even believe the holocaust happened. people don't understand the breadth and depth of the damage caused 6 million jews killed systematically by hitler and the nazis around eastern europe. and then we have people now trying to take those stories for themselves to try to gain -- i don't even know what he is gaining from it or what he gained from it. it is just beyond ridiculous. we need to expect more from our elected officials in all political parties. this isn't a political issue. this is just an issue of integrity, honesty, and what we need to expect from our leaders. >> gabriel, you talked about how someone else should run in that seat, a republican, that you would like to see there. do you want him to resign? >> resigning doesn't really accomplish anything. i'm not sure of the mechanism anyway of what would happen if he were to resign. he should serve his seat. he shouldn't be given any committee assignments, just be a

placeholder for the next two years. that is the best thing leadership can do. i haven't heard them say they're going to do that yet. i hope they get there, just becomes a placeholder seat for the party and in two years we replace him. >> it sounds like you're happy that flipped to be a republican seat. right? that is what you're saying? >> absolutely. >> okay. but so then given that, what do you make of the silence from republican leadership, though, about him? >> i think they're being careful and i'm hoping that obviously by being on your show and on others that they do the right thing, which is by sidelining him. right? if he is in his seat but has no committee assignments then he really has no role or responsibility and it is not so hard to get behind another strong candidate in the third congressional district now that we've seen it is a winnable seat and just get him out of there and just under two years. >> i imagine we'll hear a lot more from republican leadership after the elections on tuesday. thank you for joining us this morning with that perspective. >> thanks for having me.

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ahead of the new year's weekend southwest now says a recovery is in sight as the airline is aiming to resume full service with, quote, minimal disruptions. over the last week the airline has canceled nearly 16,000

flights while other airlines managed to recover in the days after that storm that swept the u.s. for southwest it only got worse. moments ago, the ceo of the company, bob jordan, said this. >> this has impacted so many people, so many customers, over the holidays. it has impacted our employees. i am extremely sorry for that. there is just no way almost to apologize enough because we love our customers. we love our people. we really impacted their plans. but there will be a lot of lessons learned in terms of what we can do to make sure this never happens again because this needs to never happen again. >> joining us now to talk about the southwest chaos is philip washington who is the ceo of denver international airport, where southwest operates more ge gates than any other airport in the world. you have very good perspective on this. so far is your airport back to normal when it comes to southwest? >> well, we are getting there.

we're getting there. we have been in contact with southwest on a daily basis probably by hour actually. i want to see what happens today. we've been told as has been reported that normal operations will commence today. and so we want to see if that happens and we want to make sure that our passengers in our airport here are safe and comfortable. >> so you're taking a wait-and-see approach when it comes to the normal schedule. what are these executives telling you when you talk to them? are you talking to bob jordan? who are you having these conversations with? >> there are regional folks here for southwest we work with all the time. we're talking with them constantly. what they talk about is delays will be reduced, cancellations will be reduced. a normal schedule starting today. we have been very, very active

in working with southwest over the last week to make sure that passengers are comfortable. we had one night 4,000 people stay overnight in our airport here. and so the issue here is making them comfortable. we've handed out thousands of blankets. we've handed out thousands of diapers and bottles and water and trying to make people comfortable and trying to get them connected with their bags as well. >> part of that you know once you've dealt with that aspect is you say you want to conduct this after action review. do you expect changes to come from southwest's relationship with the denver airport after that review is conducted? >> yes i do. this is an opportunity for us to learn, to seize the opportunity to learn. and after action review is asking a number of questions. what was supposed to happen, what actually happened, why it

happened, what went well, what went wrong, and what can we do next time around to make it better. and so we invited not just southwest but we invited the three largest airlines at my airport here in denver and all three of them have accepted the invitation to sit down and determine how we can do this better next time around. >> critics of southwest said the money to upgrade its systems which is part of the reason to blame here and chose to hand it to shareholders instead. the airline recently announced it was going to pay that dividend again that amounts to $428 million a year. do you think southwest ignored needed investments while instead tending to investors? >> well, listen, i won't comment on, you know, how they're doing business and their internal infrastructure. what i will say is that we all need resilient infrastructure.

i need resilient infrastructure here at my airport. i need to know where my people are at the airport. we had all hands on deck for the last week working 24/7 at the denver international airport. and so while i would not comment on, you know, their infrastructure, i will say that when you run a big organization or in this case an airlines you need resilient infrastructure. >> how much baggage, unclaimed baggage do you have in your airport right now? what are you going to do with all of that? >> well, what we've done, we got to the point where we had thousands of pieces of baggage. i think some of the video footage has shown that. what we did here was give southwest a larger area for the bags. i talked to denver police department to add increased security around those bags. we were very, very concerned with the security of the bags.

any airport is sort of a target rich environment if you will in terms of luggage and valuables and so we provided that security. i do see some improvement at the airport, being out there yesterday, and we'll be out there this morning. i do see some improvement in terms of the bags being reduced, just the volume of the bags being reduced, so i think people are being connected with their bags. we've seen people on the terminal floor in tears. we've seen some of them very happy to find their bags. and so our priority is to make sure that we can do whatever we can to facilitate that. >> i want to ask you before you go. the president nominated you back in july to lead the federal aviation administration. obviously that is a position you have to be confirmed to. you have not gotten your senate confirmation hearing yet. because the current congress ends next week, the president will have to renominate you to

this position in order to get the process going again. has the white house told you they do plan to do so? >> i won't comment on conversations with the white house. what i will say is that i'm in this job now. i enjoy this job running the denver international airport, and i'll do the best that i possibly can. i am honored by the nomination. and if that happens, if confirmation happens, i'll do the best job i can there as well. >> okay. so you do still expect to eventually have that job leading the faa? >> well, we'll see what happens. tomorrow is not promised to anybody. so we'll see what happens. i can say this. whatever job i have, i'll do the best that i possibly can. >> okay. philip washington, i know you are very busy this morning with a lot of unclaimed baggage there. thank you for taking time to talk about the real impacts that this chaos had on your airport. we appreciate it.

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♪ you can always count on me for sure that's what friends are for ♪ >> oh, man. she is one of the greatest singers of all time. dionne warwick's distinctive voice some have said is like finding water in a desert has thrilled her legions of fans over the decades. the legendary artist has brought us countless hits like "alfie" and "do you know the way to san jose" and also breaking through racial barriers and shining a spotlight on important issues. "don't make me over" tells the intimate stories behind the singer's rise from the gospel choir to global superstardom. here is a preview. >> shows were completely sold out every night. there was one side which was white where they were seated and the other side was a ballroom type setting where everybody was

standing. blacks were on the side, whites on this side. the stage was straight ahead. and i remember saying, dionne, do not turn your back on the white folk. i said, well why not? he said, do not turn your back on the white folk. i said, okay. first thing i did when i went out there, walked straight to the band and turned my back and played to the ones that looked like me. everybody could hear me. everybody could see me. >> joining us now the legend herself, dionne warwick. so outspoken. thank you so much for joining us. i really appreciate it. >> my darling you know i love you >> i love you as well. this is a beautiful film about your incredible life and career. why did you decide to let audiences in now to get such an intimate look at you and your life? >> you know, people have their own opinions and they suppose that now they know the real

deal. >> you were the first black person to win the pop vocal grammy for "do you know your way to san jose." did you ever imagine reaching these heights when you were singing in the gospel choir in jersey? >> no, as a matter of fact i never really wanted to record. i finally was talked into it because i was promised one particular song to do my first recording. and that song is "make it easy on yourself." and that job was given to jerry butner and i was not very happy about that. as a matter of fact, my first recording "don't make me over" was because of something i said to them that they could not do and that was make me over. >> really. you said don't try to make me into something i'm not? is that where that came from? >> exactly.

exactly. and don't make me over. >> the way you have to deal with racism throughout your career, tell us more about your approach when you faced that kind of injustice? was that part of your do not make me over approach? >> no. i didn't know anything about that coming from east orange, new jersey. and that kind of confrontation i never even dreamed of. i mean, i -- i lived on sterling street in east orange. i really likened it to the united nations, no race, creed, color, or religion on that street and we all lived very comfortably together. we walked to school together. we had lunches together. people came to my home. i went to their homes. so being subjected to the madness because of the color of my skin traveling throughout the southern regions of our country,

i kind of thought was on the side. >> the film highlights your work on the aids crisis. you helped so many people including your grammy award winning hit "that's what friends are for" which raised millions and millions of dollars for the cause over these years. why did you decide to speak out then? because it wasn't so popular to do what you did. >> no, it really wasn't. in fact, it was frightening the way people were shying away from it. we were losing so many people within my industry. i mean, losing hair dressers and dancers and cameramen and lighting people and wardrobe people. you know, being a nosey person that i am, i wanted to know what this thing was. nobody knew anything about it until rock hudson put a face on it. i was appointed by president reagan as the ambassador for the

united states and i decided, let's see what's going on other places because we are hearing there were medications being applied, people getting wonderful results from it, and i kind of went on a jaunt. i ran around the world and i was bringing back medicines from different countries to see if they were going to work on our people here. i just felt that i was going to track this the way my grandfather taught me. as a child, he said many times we were all put here on this earth to be of service to each other. that didn't seem too hard to do so there i was. >> that's why we love you. i have to ask you. you know i also love you because i follow you on twitter, you know, i want to know how you feel about the changes under elon musk because you have people like whoopie goldberg saying i'm out until they fix this platform. are you going to stay on the platform? >> you know, i've not met mr.

musk yet. and i intend to do that. >> you said you want to meet with him? >> yeah, i do. i want to see what he's really up to. i've learned you never judge a book by its cover. you got to open it up and start reading it. and that's the way i feel about him as well. so i'm going to see what he wants and how he is really going to approach his new venture. >> yeah. i have to tell people one of the biggest thrills of my life was an award that i got. >> yes. >> and a surprise, someone is here to sing for you and introduce you. it was you. i almost fell out of my chair. i could barely accept the award for crying. i know from knowing you that this is, you know, there's still a lot more runway ahead for dionne warwick, so what is the next chapter? do you know? >> no, i haven't -- i don't know what god has in store for me. i'm just following the path he is leading me down. >> dionne warwick, thank you. i love you so much.

thank you. >> that's the way i feel about you, too. you know that. >> thank you. that's a song, too. [ laughter ] >> be sure to tune in the all new cnn film "dionne warwick don't make me over" premieres new year's day only here on cnn >> i cannot wait to watch that. >> amazing. so great. okay. this morning's number a 60. we'll tell you why, next. try hypnosis... or, quit cold turkey.. are you kidding me? instead, statart small with nicorette, which will lead to something big.

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oh, boy. >> you don't even want to know. we were just talking about we are getting closer to new year's day, a time of year when we reflect on times we want to change in the year ahead. kaitlan has some ideas for me. >> and for myself to be fair. >> that is the subject of this morning's number is -- >> can we keep from laughing? >> i'll say both of you. how about that? okay. so this morning's number, what is it? this morning's number is, it's 60%. that is google searches for dry january in the week leading up to christmas, it is up 60% from where we were in 2021. it's up 300%. >> whoa. >> from where we were in 2017. of course the idea of dry january is that you don't take in alcohol during the month of

january. it is clear from these number is a lot more people are interested at least in the idea of dry january. now, why would they be interested in the idea of dry january? because there are a lot of benefits to it, right? a majority of those who follow the program reported saving money, sleeping better, weight loss. it is easier to focus. perhaps something we can work on here. fewer days drunk. even months later. so the fact of the matter is that dry january is something that does help out those who are involved in and see the effects of it even months later. >> but things become a phenomenon and it seems like everyone is doing it. i have so many friends who do dry january. i personally do not because i think january is a tough month, like brutal weather, you know. people like to have a glass of wine. are a lot of people doing it? what does it look like when it comes to people who are still drinking? >> yeah. so gallup has been tracking for years the percentage of americans who drink alcohol. we're not becoming dry, because look at this trend line of the percentage of americans or at least adults who drink alcohol. it stayed very, very consistent.

67% this year and gallup said they did, compared to 66% 20 years ago, 65, and we are back to where we were in 1945 at 67%. we are basically a country that is drinking the same percentage of alcohol we have drank throughout the years but i will point out one thing that really has changed is the perception of alcohol. how dangerous is alcohol? which is more dangerous to use, alcohol or marijuana? look at this. 54% say alcohol compared to just 7% who say marijuana in 2022. if you compare that to where we were in 1974, it was a basic split, so what's happened is even at the same percentage of americans drinking alcohol as used to the perception of how dangerous it is has clearly changed. a lot more people now think alcohol is dangerous at least compared to marijuana. >> that is really interesting. i need to know what this last tab is, new year's eve plan. is that your new year's eve plan? >> it does sort of get to what my new year's eve plan is. >> are you going to times square with kaitlan? >> i am not going to times

square. are you going to be awake at midnight to ring in the new year? 75% say it is likely. 25% say it is unlikely. i am definitely in the unlikely camp. >> ooh. >> if i do my new year's eve correctly, i am in fact going to be nice cooked in bed by let's say 10:00, 10:30. i'll get a nice dinner before. the partying is not for me. i'll leave the partying to kaitlan in times square. >> resolution? i want to be clear i'm not going to times square. continue. >> i thought maybe you were and were going to join anderson there. my resolution is to sleep more. this is right in line with it. sleeping more. >> good luck with this show. >> that is why we're doing this 8:55 or so. >> you have some pull with the producers here. >> you must know a guy. >> i got some pull because i put these slides together very, very nice. >> we can't wait for rolling stone magazine has released a new book of the top 500 albums of all time. what topped the list and our personal favorites.

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that is marvin gay's "what's going on." "rolling stone" published a new book along with a full list with a new poll with some of the most celebrated artists, producers and journalists. joining us to talk about the book and who made the list is "rolling stone's" senior writer, brittney spanos. >> thank you for having me. >> we're looking through it all morning. it's incredible. i know some people may not agree. how do you decide? >> so we had 300 voters weigh in on this list and it's a combination of journalists in the industry, rolling stone

staffers and a lot of musicians. we had people like beyonce and steve vee knicks vote and they submitted ballots. we lucked out. neve everyone was home. she sat down and submitted it. i think there's a great diverse number of voices who weighed in on what the greatest albums of all time are. >> you guys did this in 2003, 2012 and now. now looking through this you have beyonce, taylor swift, lin manuel miranda. it's just fascinating to see them all come together. the team you just saw asked us to pick our favorites. can we pull caitlyn's up here. >> why do i go first? >> you're better at this than i am. >> i loved talking heads came in at number 39. beyonce's lemonade was 32.

that's an incredible album. poppy has hers as well. >> i have mine. i'm old school, elton john, otis reading and i grew up listening to bonnie raitt. >> i love those choices. >> it shows how diverse the list is. >> it's incredible how tastes changed. the controversy, do you need a list like this? it's a great compendium to see the way artist's influence impacts things and young music fans who use this as a resource to learn about music history. it's fun to see what was included, what bumped up, what bumped down. seeing newer albums, more latin albums, younger artists, seeing more rap. everything kind of shift and become a bigger melting pot of what music is today. >> something that surprised you as you were looking at the votes coming in? >> i'm a pop girl. i love pop music.

that is not typically super respected and iconic. it was cool to see britney spears "blackout" on this. she was disrespected as not authentic, being seen as one of the greatest albums of all time to see an artist make that. it felt special to see people put respect on pop music. especially female artists, young women who make music in this list. >> that is really special. with the selection process, as people like beyonce are casting their ballots, how does that work when you go through this and you guys basically look at the numbers to see what that looks like and the rankings go? >> yeah. everyone was asked to make their ballot in order. i believe it was 25 albums everyone had to submit. there was a points system. i have no idea how this, works. there was a points system. hundreds of points or something.

that helped actually kind of streamline it instead of just being like well this person put number 1, let's put it in the top 10. very mathematical sort of way of doing this. >> it's cool. like a real science behind it. >> also gorgeous book. >> i know. we have been flipping through it all morning. it reminds me, oh, i need to go listen to that. the. >> yeah, exactly. >> i was home for christmas. i found the one i had from the 2003 list. >> you look like you must have been 10. >> i was. >> 2003, i was. own it, girl. >> play list for the year. >> thank you. >> you're the best. thank you so much. >> all night to be there with you all morning. >> we have high hopes for 2023. can't wait for you to join us then. "cnn newsroom" starts right now. >> thank you, brittney