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good afternoon, i'm sara sidner. welcome to "cnn newsroom." our breaking news, new and long awaited arrest in the horrific killings of four university of idaho students in november. brian kohberger is facing first-degree murder charges. the killings terrorized the small town which hadn't seen a murder in seven years. the fear so intense, some students have been too scared to return to school. investigators will hold a press conference, they tell us, very soon, and we'll take you there live. but first, jean is in the area. have you been able to glean any more information abilout the person arrested and the charges he's facing. >> let me tell you what we know. we're at the monroe county correctional facility or the
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jail here in northeastern pennsylvania. this is where the suspect is being housed on no bail. kohberger is 28 years old. he was arrested at 1:30 this morning. very close. he has a mailing address of very close. but here's what i want to emphasize, this is small town pennsylvania. this is rural areas. this is not a big city at all. now we did just get a hold of the criminal complaint from the commonwealth of pennsylvania and it says that the pennsylvania state police were assisting the moscow police department, the idaho state police, the fbi, the homicide investigation, that there was an ongoing investigation of homicide and that's why they were helping them. and he was taken into custody
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based upon an active arrest warrant out of that other state on the charges of first-degree murder. and they are calling him in this complaint a fugitive of justice which is extremely significant because what it means is that the charges were filed in the other jurisdiction, which would be idaho, and then the person left the jurisdiction and they are able to now hold him on those fugitive of justice charges. one more thing, there's going to be an extradition proceeding. has it happened yet? we don't have documentation that it has. but it's an important proceeding. he must be represented by an attorney because he can make the choice to be extradited back to that state, which is idaho, or refuse extradition and that is an important part of this entire process to get him back to be heard on those charges that are originating out of idaho.
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>> you're always so good in these kinds of cases and giving us all the details. so the suspect now being held on fugitive of justice charges as we understood it and that there is a warrant for -- out for his arrest for first-degree murder. jean, thank you so much. she is in monroe county, pennsylvania, where the suspect was arrested in this case. let's bring in cnn security correspondent josh campbell who broke the story and cnn's senior law enforcement analyst and former philadelphia police commissioner charles ramsey. josh, i'm going to start with you. what more have you learned about how this arrest came about? a lot of agencies seem to have been involved in this. >> yeah, this case is really highlighting national cooperation between law enforcement. you have multiple jurisdictions here and it shows that with this cooperation with law enforcement, no one is able to get away with these agencies coming to bear with all of their
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resources. we were told that investigators in idaho, they were working a host of authorities there, state officials, the fbi, out of salt lake, they were working to determine who this suspect was and during this course of the investigation, they were able to determine that he traveled some 2500 miles to the other side of the country. as jean was just reporting, officials in pennsylvania, particularly the state police, were able to go obtain a warrant, once they knew where the suspect was located, they were able to get that warrant and in the early morning hours today, the pennsylvania state police went and arrested him. the fbi was also there on scene as part of this investigation as well. the next step is, we expect that the demanding state, as it's called in the proceedings, idaho, will be sending people to pennsylvania to bring him back if he actually makes it through that -- if he doesn't object to actually be extradited. but this is obviously an investigation that has gone on now for seven weeks. we have this community there in idaho that was really gripped by this brutal, brutal murder of
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four people and you'll remember early on there was a question about communication. they were told there wasn't an ongoing threat but police said they didn't know who this person was. and so since that time, this community has obviously been reeling and wondering if there was a threat in their midst. we're learning that the suspect made his way across the country and, of course, there are a lot of questions that still remain at this hour, specifically, why he did this, what his connection may have been if any to these four college students who were brutally murdered. that will all be part of this investigation. a good day for law enforcement in the u.s., having the suspect in custody and all of the families of these victims will never be made whole. the community breathing a sigh of relief that this threat is no longer out there. >> the community and the country as a whole. this is one of the cases that people will be watching and worrying about, never mind the students who were too afraid to return to school. josh campbell, thank you so much for your great reporting. charles ramseys, investigators
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said they wanted to know more about the white car that was parked outside the house where the students lived. could that have been the break that investigators needed? >> it might have been. we don't know and certainly don't want to speculate. but it could be the car. it could be dna that they recovered from the scene. it could be hits off of cell tower. it could be a variety of things. there will be some information that will come out, obviously, during the press conference. but don't be surprised if it's not a lot more than what we already have. because there's going to be a prosecution in this particular case and the prosecutors are going to have a lot to say about what information is released. but it is very important that they have an individual in custody. hopefully there was only one individual that was involved in this. we may find out more around that. people can take a sigh of relief that the individual responsible is in fact in custody. so it's a good day. it's a good day for closing a case, but there are a lot of families out there with murdered
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relatives whose cases have not been invsolved and we need to n forget that. >> that's a good point. i want to ask you about this point. early on the idaho police said they believed the victims were targeted. but they were very thin on putting out any other information to elaborate further on that. what does that statement tell you? >> well, i mean, they're not going to put a lot of information out. bad guys watch television too. they have to be very careful what they put out and, you know, what you know at the beginning or what you think you know at the beginning of an investigation, as more and more evidence is uncovered, as the investigation proceeds, things do change. and so those were initial statements. but, obviously, they continue to work. they develop a lot of information that eventually lead them to the suspect. it will be interesting to know what exactly led them to the suspect and what relationship, if any, this individual had.
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why was he even in idaho? >> josh, now to you, i have a question for you. i know that you -- you helped break the story and, you know, the fact that there is an arrest here and, again, we should mention the person who was arrested is brian christopher kohberger. he's been held on fugitive of justice charges in pennsylvania. being held in pennsylvania but, of course, authorities in idaho want to get ahold of him. they will have to decide whether it's -- his attorney will have to decide whether or not he's going to fight extradition charges -- the request for extradition. but i do want to ask you as to whether or not investigators gave you any sense of whether there may be other people that may be arrested in this case. >> no. at this hour, we're hearing there's no indication of that. i mean, to be fair, officials haven't ruled anything out as far as there not being other suspects. we're not hearing anything as
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far as our reporting that there may have been someone associated with this. as we've talked about in many of these investigations, authorities will be looking behind every rock to try to determine who this person knew, who were the people in this person's orbit, was there anyone who may have had any kind of indication. they're going to do this due diligence. but this is one of those kinds of cases -- i don't want to get too graphic here, obviously, but we talk a lot about the types of weapons that are used in killings and when we're talking about a bladed object, which authorities say was used in this, behavioral analysts will tell you, that is a very personal type of killing. you have to physically be in front of someone. it's not shooting someone from afar. and so that will go into a lot of trying to determine, what was this connection? did he know any of these victims? was he, you know, in communication with any of them, trying to build a relationship, perhaps spurned by some of them. but talking with investigators, i've learned that behavioral analysts were very much a part of this investigation trying to determine the profile of this
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person and then where we go from here. once that process actually moves forward, we will wait to see whether the suspect actually admits to investigators what he did. sometimes they do. sometimes they're proud of what they've done. sometimes they lawyer up. and then authorities don't have much to go on. but we know that now they know the name of the suspect, they're looking for any social media, any past to try to get to that motive which is so key not only in this case but also trying to prevent cases like this in the future. and finally, i want to say one other point quickly, this case shows -- chief ramsey knows this well, there's terminology that's used in law enforcement, the csi effect. the american people are so conditioned to watching television, you know, fictional tv shows and thinking that forensic science is the be all end all and cases have to be solved within 42 minutes plus commercials, but sometimes cases take time. seven weeks it took authorities, but they finally got their person as they claim.
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>> and it's talked about by prosecutors in cases. that's not the way things always happen. thank you to both of you. i do want to quickly before you go just read the names of the victims. their families have to be in hell. they've been there since the day they found out what happened to their loved ones. we lost ethan chapin, xana kernodle, kaylee goncalves and madison mogen. here we are, these young people, their lives cut short and now police say they have the person they believe that took their lives. so the family, you know, never going to get over it. at least they have a little bit of something to go on now. thank you to both of you. >> you bet. now to the january 6th
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committee releasing another trove of transcripts this morning. the new batch includes more key interviews involving rudy giuliani, jared kushner and jason miller and ginni thomas. cnn's sarah murray joins us now. what are we learning from this new round of transcripts of which there are many. >> yes, there are many. and our team is diligently reading these. gi ginni thomas's interview came out late in the game and she sort of tried to walk some of those back or was more apologetic with them in her interview. she's asked about the messages she exchanged with mark meadows about pressing election contest. and he said i regret the tone and content of the texts.
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at one point she said in a message that she was disgusted by vice president mike pence and she, again, sort of tried to explain why she sent that. she said i was frustrated that i thought vice president pence might concede earlier than what president trump was inclined to do. according to her interview. i wanted to hear vice president pence talk more about the fraud and irregularities in certain states that i thought was still lingering. she expresses these concerns about election fraud in her interview with the committee, even though she said she doesn't have any specific evidence of fraud, sarah. >> sarah murray, thank you for all of that, bringing this stuff to light. it is all very, very interesting. let's discuss with this cnn political analyst and managing editor at "axios" and michael d'antonio, the author of several trump biographies. what stood out to you from this latest drop? >> as we go through the
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documents, we continues to this dichotomy between people who really treated this opportunity to talk to the committee as a minimized don't recall, take the fifth, and people who sought to answer the questions. jared kushner's release is going to be interesting because he recalls in very specific detail a lot of things, and then on other questions, just says, i wasn't the details guy. i don't remember that. but i think with ginni thomas what is is interesting and important, there are only nine supreme court justices and her husband is one of them. people are allowed to have separate lives from their spouses, but in her case, her activism and engagement ran up against ultimately the last of, you know, judicial body to be the decider. in every consequential american question, including in very rare cases, including this one, elections. and so i'm not surprised to see
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her try to change the narrative of this. but i think, again, because of the people whose testimony -- the transcripts that are released today, we have a tremendous new amount of information to get through to understand the nuance. but we're still seeing a lot of don't recall, can't recall, not sure in these answers. >> yeah, it tells you a little something. michael, let me ask you about ginni thomas saying she regretted her text to mark meadows after the election. in the text she openly encouraged meadows to challenge the result of the 2020 election. what is your take on all this? is she trying to be revising her own history? trying to make herself look better? because it seemed like she meant it when she sent those texts. >> well, if she's trying to make herself look better, she's not doing very well, is she? she comes across as someone typical in trump world. by that i mean, immoral, heedlessly ignorant and
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unpatriotic when it comes to our democracy. these are all people who knew better and i would put melania trump in that category. she claims -- or those around her claim that in december she was telling people to tell her husband the truth. well, she knew what the truth was. why didn't she tell him the truth. and the idea that the president -- then-president needed someone to inform him of the truth is wholly inaccurate. lastly i would say, scanning these documents, looking at people like rudy giuliani who makes ridiculous claims, it's astounding to me how frivolous these people were and that they were in charge of the united states government. it's appalling. >> in her testimony, just to look at it a little bit deeper, ginni thomas insisted that she never thought the election was
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stolen. here is what she texted, though, back in november 2020. quote, help this great president stand firm, mark. the majority knows biden and the left is attempting the greatest heist of our history. when you look at that, considering that her husband is a supreme court justice with a job that he will have for his entire life, what does this tell you about her, but also about potential influence of her on him? >> well, i think this tells us that this is a wholly corrupt person. what supreme court justice's spouse indulges in this kind of speculation and tries to push around the highest level officials in our government? this is also reflective of her long-running campaign of
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influence in washington, one could even say that she's always tried to leverage her relationship with her husband, a supreme court justice, in a way that is more than unseemly. so i've heard people talking about the financial reporting that should be required of public officials, i've heard people talking about these spouses needing to be required to step back from this kind of activity, and we may need laws now because the people around donald trump have proven to us that the voluntary guardrails don't work for them. they're going to be indulging in this kind of behavior and people in the future will do the same because they imagine it's the thing you can do. >> i was going to ask you about that. there are a lot of folks looking at whether or not more laws need to be put in place to be able to deal with the ethical part with this and potentially a legal
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side to this at the same time. margaret and michael, thank you so much for coming on the show. just ahead, we'll bring you a never before seen look at donald trump's taxes. house democrats making six years of the president's -- former president's financials public capping off a dramatic legal fight. plus the meltdown of southwest airlines may finally be coming to an end. the airline says it is back on track finally today. how the company's ceo was playing damage control next. so adding “and” student might feel daunting. national university isis here o support all your “ands.” nanational university. supporting the whole you.
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nearly a week after thousands of travelers were left stranded at airports across the country, southwest airlines is operating back on a normal schedule finally. we've been reporting on this story and impact on fliers all week long from a bride who couldn't make it to her wedding to life-and-death situations, including a dialysis patient whose canceled flight left her with just a few days worth of her medicine. and one passenger who had to drive from las vegas to fort wayne after her flight was canceled. she was left without her blood pressure medicine because her luggage got lost. as of this hour, 43 southwest
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flights have been canceled today and that number is great compared to what we've been seeing. this morning, the airline ceo doubled down on his regret saying he can't apologize enough, and i think that his passengers would agree. cnn's adrienne broaddus is live at midway where she's been listening to stories for days. how are things looking now? >> reporter: things are much better here at chicago midway, sarah. and we've heard from passengers who are relieved following so many days of stress and anxiety. walking into the airport this morning for the first time, they're seeing a flight information board that shows flights are boarding and on time. there are a few delays here and there, for example, southwest flight 1535 was scheduled to leave at ten after 3:00 local time. it's now delayed and leaving at 3:23. but this right there, departed, that is a welcome sign.
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especially after more than 15,000 canceled flights over the last week. now that relief was also followed by some hesitation. i met a traveler, she told me she's on her way to memphis to ring in the new year with her family. however, when it came time for her to check in her bags right here, she was terrified. >> why don't you want to check your bag? >> because all them bags they lost. >> reporter: are you scared? >> hell, yeah, i'm scared. you've seen all the bags they lost. i get the memphis and i don't have no bag. i don't think it's right. i've been watching the news. now they want us to still give them our bags. isn't that crazy or what? i ain't going to let them spoil my day. >> reporter: sarah, we know so many travel plans were spoiled. in fact, i reunited with a woman
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i met in baggage claim earlier this week. when we first met, she was crying and she was unable to travel to new york to be with her family. this morning, she told me, she received news from southwest that her luggage somehow ended up in new york and that southwest would ship her luggage to her via fedex. she lives in arizona. she's on a plane now heading home. >> you know what, velvet calhoun, she spoke for a lot of people, she's not having it. she's planning on having a great new year's eve and new year and we wish her and all the other passengers the best. thank you for your week of excellent coverage out there. now to donald trump's federal tax returns officially made public thanks to the house. what we're learning about his foreign bank accounts and charitable contributions, or lack thereof. ize dry skin
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just about everything surrounding former president trump is unprecedented and now to the unprecedented move by congress in the name of presidential transparency. house democrats just released six years of donald trump's tax returns which he had refused to do since 2015, unlike every other president since gerald ford. in its per suit of getting his returns, the committee found the irs failed to do mandatory audits of his taxes while he was president. the returns show trump reported tens of millions of dollars in losses and that he held foreign bank accounts while in office. let me go to cnn national
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correspondent kristen holmes. let's start with those foreign accounts. what are you learning about those? >> well, look, let's pull them up here. i want to show exactly what they looked like. one of them is going to stand out in particular to our viewers. if you look at 2015, he hat accounts in the united kingdom, ireland and china. 2018, through 2020, only uk. there's obviously one location there that is pretty interesting and that is the fact that he had bank accounts in china while he was serving in office. now this is raising some questions. it's going to continue raising questions as we look into this. when was this bank account open? what were trump's business interests in this country and is there a chance that it could have impacted the political side of relations between the u.s. and china? and this goes to another finding that we saw within these returns and that was how much foreign taxes that trump paid. when we look at 2017 in particular, this was a year in which trump paid only $750 in
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u.s. income tax. that same year, he spent nearly a million dollars in foreign taxes. now, the reason why this is of note is that, yes, it is completely legitimate and expected that he would be spending money in these foreign countries because he's a businessman, because he has businesses across the world. but what is so interesting is that this is shedding light on where those business interests actually lied and we're looking at countries like india, china, turkey, mexico and this is giving us insight into where his businesses were focused at a time that he was serving in the white house. there's two only findings that i want to point to here, the charitable donations. what we have learned is that over the years in his presidency, his charitable contributions went down and down. further and further. so in 2017, we're looking at $1.8 million. 2019, around $500,000, and 2020,
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$0. there's a reason why that's interesting. it correlates with another zero and that is how much income tax he paid in 2020 and this is something tax experts are talking about. the reason being, that that zero in 2020 has signaled to a lot of tax experts that trump was having actual business failures. you have to remember that some of this, as you said, is carrying these large losses over to reduce the taxes he's paying. when they see that zero in 2020, they're saying that could come from real business failures which we're going to be looking into. it's interesting that it lines up with another thing that would have been a deduction in 2020 which is $0 in the charitable contributions. one last thing that i'm going to point out here, this is something that has tax experts raising questions which is how trump claimed his businesses expenses and what they were making. for example, i'm going to give a specific example here. in 2017, one of donald trump's companies djt aerospace, they
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claimed that they made $42,965. that is a very specific number of income that they claimed. then they claimed that they spent that exact same amount in expenses, meaning, that there was nothing left, zero, to tax. we spoke to one expert who said this was statistically impossible. raising a lot of questions there and something that the joint taxation committee, one of them is going to have them looking at or saying that auditors should be looking at when we look at these returns. >> talking about taxes and going through all of those numbers makes me itch, kristen holmes. thank you so much for doing all of that and explaining it all to us. joining me now dorothy brown, a tax law professor at georgetown university law and cnn political analyst. margaret is back. thank you, both. dorothy, there's a lot here, you know, you're quite familiar with
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tax returns as many of us are, but you've got the drop on it. how have you seen what has been released to the public so far anything stand out? >> so i think about this is who is the biggest loser, right? is it donald trump because he has his losses and businesses over here, he then brings into his tax returns, reducing the amount he's legally obligated to pay, is it the american taxpayer who don't have these businesses who they can use to reduce the taxes that they pay, making it the -- the american taxpayer pay their fair share while donald trump doesn't seem to be paying his fair share and then melania trump who signed a joint return for her husband. if he's found to owe extra taxes, she's on the hook for it. when i think of who the biggest loser is, i think it's the american taxpayers. the trump tax returns show the unfairness of a system designed for those with the most to pay the least. >> i want to follow up with you
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there. donald trump, it shows, paid more in foreign taxes than he did u.s. taxes in one of those years, in 2017. and in response to criticism, he said this is, you know, the tax returns show he was, quote, able to use depreciation and various other tax deductions as an incentive for creating thousands of jobs and as he put it, magnificent structures and enterprises. is this simply a case of donald trump using the loopholes that exist in the tax code to get an advantage? >> well, first of all, all of these losses are not attributable to depreciation. but more importantly, taxpayers have the burden of proof. he's said he has all of these losses, but there's no paper trail or no evidence that he can sustain his burden of proof. for example, what kristen said in the segment a few minutes ago, there's an example where the item -- the income is exactly equal to the deductions.
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that's just not plausible. but if it were, he would have records to prove it. so i don't believe he can prove that he's eligible for all these losses that he then used to lower the taxes to. >> all right. margaret, now to you on the political side of things. minutes ago, the republicans have sent out a dissent pointing out democrats did not need to release trump's returns to change the problems with the presidential audit program. we talked about the fact that he had not initially been audited as is per normal. that didn't happen until someone from the democratic party pointed out that they wanted to see those audits and then the audit was done several years into his presidency. is this a valid point from the republicans, that this needed to be put out to the public? >> i think this is where the conversation is going to go now in the next couple of days is, whether democrats overreached and privacy concerns, efforts to
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scare americans into believing all of their private financial records are going to become public. all of this really makes the case for congress to actually put into legislation and pass something mandating that presidential candidates and presidents will release their tax information. you can see from what's been released the reasons for it, to understand potential foreign policy conflicts with the president, to understand how tax policy during a presidency impacted that president's own tax returns. without seeing any of this, we would have no visibility on then-president trump, on 2024 candidate donald trump. but here's the problem. the reason why tax records are private to begin with is, as i understand it, from post wate watergate reforms. it's not because they were afraid that congress was going to release presidents' tax returns, they were afraid that
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presidents were going to go after political enemies through their private tax documents. and so this change was made to protect the privacy. i think -- my colleague at "axios" has new reporting that as republicans in the house were preparing before the holiday recess for the release of these records, they had a meeting in a conference and there are divisions inside the republican caucus about whether to now weaponize this against president biden and his family and their financial records or not. so this is going to become a big political topic and i think all of that is really going to come back to whether congress has the encourage and the ability to actually act and make a law that can stand as a policy impacting presidents only moving forward. >> all the other presidents since ford have released their tax records. so we will see what this does
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going forward and if a law is put in place to make that a thing you must do in order to run. thank you so much. i appreciate it. now new year's eve in times square. it's returning to full capacity for the first time since covid-19 grinded the world to a halt. up next, the nypd is revealing its security preps. but first, as we head to break, a stunning look at a partially frozen niagra falls. enjoy. in 99% of people over 50. it's lying rmant, waiting... and could reactivate. shingles strikes as a painful, blistering rash that can last for week
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crystal spangled ball that will drop at the stroke of midnight tomorrow night. wow, that came fast. in new york city. for the first time in three years, full capacity crowds are expected in times square to ring in 2023 with no pandemic restrictions. we're out there checking things out. gloria, lots of last-minute preps under way as we expect. looks like lots of people out there already, what's happening down there at this hour? >> sarah, i don't know about you, but i love new year's. it's a fresh start, slate is clean and right here is where the biggest party in the entire world will take place tomorrow. you were talking about the crystal ball. that thing is 11,000 pounds and it's going to come down tomorrow at the stroke of midnight. on top of that, a ton of confetti will fall on revelers here tomorrow night. we are expecting to see big
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crowds. all of those will be lifted. no restrictions or requirements for anyone coming here tomorrow. mayor eric adams just held a briefing a short time ago, along with law enforcement officials here talking about the public safety aspect of this event. this is a massive operation, thousands of people, as i said, in what is a really, really tight space. but public safety is the priority and they have a plan in place. just listen to the mayor talking a little bit about tomorrow's operation. >> the nypd and our other local public safety apparatus, they're going to have a visible presence, but at the same time they're going to be among the crowd so that people don't know exactly who is present and who is here. >> reporter: if you are watching this and you're telling yourself
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you know what, i think i'm going to go to times square tomorrow and ringing the new year standing next to thousands of thousands of people, it's important for you to know, there are a lot of rules. no umbrellas, no alcohol, no backpacks. there will be screenings of every single person that comes through that is part of the public safety plan so that this iconic event can go off without a hitch. sarah? >> i love that you love new year's eve. i am more of a grinch and usually stay in. the crowds are too much for me. but it will be fun to watch any way you slice it. thank you so much for that report. don't miss a second of the festivities tomorrow night. this is what i'm doing. cnn live from times square with anderson cooper and andy cohen starts at 8:00 p.m. eastern. you can be in your pajamas and watch it. be right back. even if you got ppp and it only takes eight t minutes to qualify. i went on their website, uploaded everything,
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at least three school districts in new jersey say they will be requiring masks in schools when classes resume next week. the move is driven by a nationwide triple threat of rsv, flu, and covid. it was this time last year the omicron wave was just taking off, now heading into a new year, public health and infectious disease experts are emphasizing the importance of monitoring for new variants, especially given the surge of cases that we now know of in china. cnn's senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen is joining us once again. how concerned are experts about new variants potentially forming
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in china and spreading? >> they're not panicked, but they are for sure concern. you talked about this surge in china. viruses love surges. it gives them an opportunity each and every person they infect. it's a new opportunity to mutate, to become something bigger, better, stronger. also, they might mutate into something that's not so strong, but they might mutate into something strong. so what each country does is they monitor the variants in their country, and they raise their hand and say, wait a second. i'm seeing something bad here. that's what happened with omicron in south africa. the authorities there said something, funny's going on here. they raised their hands a year ago. let's look at the sequencing that's been done in china. the wait it works is you swab someone's nose and you analyze it and you post that sequence to an online website so everyone can see it. so in the past six months, the u.s. has posted more than 576,000 sequences and more is better.
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you want to know what's out there. the uk, more than 123,000. china, 412, and china is larger than both of those countries. this is where the concern is coming from, and so that's why starting january 5th, the u.s. is telling people flying in from china, whether you're a u.s. citizen or not, if you are flying in, you need to get a test. you need to get a covid test, either antigen or pcr no more than two days before your flight, and then at seven u.s. airports for flights including hundreds every week from china, you can then volunteer to get tested and sequenced if necessary. hopefully that will help keep track, but it's not foolproof at all. sara? >> elizabeth cohen, thank you so much for that update. a lot of parents are dealing with rsv and the flu, and covid with that. it's a whole big mess. so we hope the people heed the warning. now to police in idaho, setting up right now to hold a press conference soon after an
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