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-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com it's been four weeks since students were found dead. late today, arrested a suspect in the killings. i'm pamela brown in for anderson and i'm getting new information from a source familiar with the investigation. we're learning about. the suspect actually drove cross country from idaho to his parents' home in pennsylvania, and arrived there around christmas. the source telling me, it was a combination of dna found at the crime scene, as well as the car that helped authorities figure out who their suspect was last week. and that is when law enforcement got together to sort all this out and then they made the arrest, culminating and everything happening today. they announced the arrest of bryan kohberger. this is his booking photo. he is a graduate student from washington state university, less than 10 miles from where
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the four victims attended school. he was arrested in pennsylvania on four counts of murder in the first degree. plus, a separate charge of felony burglary. as we said, sources tell cnn, his dna was maxed to dna recovered at the scene of the deaths. tonight, law enforcement is asking for the public's help with uncertainty still surrounding the case, including motive and location of the murder weapon. authorities today are specifically asking media outlets to publicize this information. >> this is not the end of this investigation. in fact, this is a new beginning. you all now know the name of the person who has been charged with these offenses. please get that information out there. please ask the public, anyone who knows about this individual, to come forward. call the tip line. report anything you know about him to help the investigators and eventually our office, and the court system understand
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fully everything there is to know about not only the individual but what happened and why. >> the source telling me tonight that investigators are still looking into whether there was any relationship or connection between the suspect and the four victims. cnn's reporter is at the university of idaho and has more. >> detectives arrested 28-year-old bryan christopher kohberger in pennsylvania on a warrant for murder -- >> reporter: it is the announcement moscow, idaho, and much of the nation has waited to hear. 47 days after the killing of four university of idaho students, a suspect is now in custody. kohberger was arrested in pennsylvania friday on four counts of first-degree murder. >> in addition to felony burglary, which involves entering the residence with the intent of murder. >> reporter: any indication that the suspect knew the victims? >> that's part of the investigation as well.
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>> reporter: police also won't release a motive but law enforcement sources tell cnn, police were led to kohberger after tracing the ownership of a white hyundai elantra seen in the area the night of the killings. they learned kohberger had left the moscow area and was tracked to monroe county, pennsylvania, south of scranton. sources say the fbi surveiled kohberger for four days until the arrest was made at 1:30 on friday. his dna was found at the crime scene. >> providing details in the criminal investigation, the upcoming criminal prosecution or alerted the suspect of our progress. >> reporter: co-berger is current lay grad student at washington state university in pullman less than 10 miles west of the crime scene in moscow, idaho. police spent the day searching kohberger's apartment in washington. >> brian kohberger. >> reporter: he graduated in
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2022 from desalle university in pennsylvania. a post he made while a student there indicates he worked on a study about how emotions and psychological traits influence decision making when committing a crime with an emphasis on your thoughts and feelings throughout your experience. back in moscow, the announcement is bringing the first signs of relief after weeks of fear. >> it's just been very scary not knowing who is out there. >> and now? >> i feel much better. i feel relieved. so i'm just very happy the police have done their work. >> cnn's veronica miracle is with us now. the effort was halted. do we know why? >> reporter: we understand the cleaning crew arrived and they were stopped moments after they arrived because of a court order. we asked police exactly who made this decision and why this court order came down. they could not answer that
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question. but we did see that cleaning crew arrive, set up for just a few moments, and they were quickly ordered off that property. they were supposed to clean the house and turn it back over to the homeowner. but tonight it remains a crime scene. pamela? >> all right, veronica, thank you. one of the questions we mentioned still surrounding this investigation was what was the suspect doing in pennsylvania when he was apprehended? joining us now is jean casarez in eastern pennsylvania outside the correctional facility in monroe county where the suspect is being held. if you would, bring us up to speed about his connections there to pennsylvania and how this arrest unfolded. >> reporter: we have just learned new information about that dna that you were talking about at the top of the show. a source that is close to and has knowledge with the investigation tells me that it was genetic genealogy that helped them find who is now their suspect in this case. that dna was unknown dna.
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it is always put through the codus database. when there are no hits, genetic genealogy takes over and it was put through a public database that found potential familial relatives, and then the old-fashioned investigation work that proceeds from there. ultimately, they have to have the dna from this potential suspect that they believe is the one to match with that unknown dna. now, here we are, northeastern pennsylvania. this is rural pennsylvania. he was arrested this morning at 1:30 in the morning. albrightsville, eight miles away, a very country area with farms, and yes, there are sub divisions but they are rural sub divisions. from what we know, a cnn source tells cnn that the philadelphia fbi was surveilling him right here in northeastern pennsylvania for the last four days. while that was happening here, they were very busy in idaho. because the fbi, local police
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and the idaho state police, were putting together the information they had to form the probable cause to go before a judge to get that arrest warrant. it was the dna, that source tells cnn, along with the vehicle. once they got that arrest warrant, a criminal complaint was filed yesterday. four charges of first-degree murder, and also a charge of burglary. breaking and the entering of that home for the intent to commit a felony in that home. he was arrested, he is right behind me now at the monroe county correctional facility. he had a hearing this morning but he has no bond. the next hearing will be a hearing on tuesday for extradition. will he be extradited voluntarily? or will the governor have to step in front with the state of idaho to get the proceeding going for him to get back there? >> yeah. that is a big question. we will have to wait and see
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what ends up happening on that front. but tell us a little more about what is next, right? there's a lot of information that police have that they haven't released, right? in idaho. >> reporter: absolutely. they say they have the car. we don't know at this point where the car is. because the car could be in idaho. it could be hear in pennsylvania, or anywhere in between. we also don't know how they knew he was in northeastern pennsylvania. if they surveiled him on that entire drive. you're talking about across the entire country at this point. and most importantly, they don't have the murder weapon. they announced that today at the press conference. but they made a plea today at that press conference that anyone that has any information of what happened and why did it happen, so that's going toward motive right there, right? they want to hear from those people. they say the investigation is ongoing, but this is a brand new
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phase of the investigation. >> yeah. they want to learn more about any connections to the victims. and just before the show, i was talking to a law enforcement source who said the suspect drove the car actually from idaho, arriving in pennsylvania at his parents' house around christmas. and as you noted, law enforcement had been there, surveilling him. made the arrest and here we are. jean casarez, thank you. perspective now from senior law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe, former fbi deputy director, also, josh campbell, a former fbi special agent, and chief law enforcement john miller, a former commissioner at the nypd. let's start with what we just heard from, gee, john, that this reporting that the dna about the dna, the genealogy, and how it led authorities to the suspect. what have your sources been telling but the dna found at the crime scene?
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>> my sources have been telling me that they are linking this to the crime scene. now, that doesn't necessarily mean it was the key to identifying him. and we expect to find more when we get the affidavit in support of the arrest warrant when he is returned to idaho. but we also learned that he had a white elantra, he was 15 minutes away from the scene. he arrived in, you know, pennsylvania around christmas. by then, the entire area was already looking for a white elantra, and giving police tips whenever they saw one. so it is entirely possible that someone from where he was in pullman 15 minutes away said, hey, there was a guy with a white elantra and he just disappeared and drove away. and we haven't seen him. so we're still kind of waiting for those details to come together. as for the apartment and the cleaning crew, it is also entirely possible that as the cleaning crew was going to work
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this morning, they had this arrest in place. and he had been assigned a public defender with an attorney there. he may have even asked for, or they may have just put a halt on that saying the defense might want to have their own examination of the crime scene before it is altered. so we'll have to kind of wait and see whenn where that came f. >> a law enforcement source i spoke to just before the show said it was really last week when the picture came together about this suspect. it was the dna, which was a significant part of the puzzle, as well as the car. and i'm told that the suspect drove the car cross country, all the way from idaho to his parents' house in pennsylvania. right around christmas time. and that, you know, law enforcement was aware of this. tell us a little more about what might go into that? >> sure. let start with the dna from the crime scene. you recovered dna that you think
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might belong to the perpetrator or somebody maybe with the perpetrator. the first thing you do is run it through codus. the national dna database. if there is no hit in there, so it doesn't currently match, then we go to the genealogy which we understand they used in this case. if your person, his exact dna is in the genealogy database, great. more likely you identify people who have familial connections potentially with your dna contributor. now you have to go out and investigate each one of those people to figure out if they're actually related to someone who lives in the area. maybe drives a white hyundai. that could lead you to your exact suspect but you don't know if it is your guy until you get a sample. that's done by good surveillance. following that person around until they drink out of a water
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bottle, smoke a cigarette, leave something in a trash can somewhere that you can extract dna from. it is likely all of those things have been going on in the background over the last week or so as they've closed in, closed the loop on this subject. >> yeah. people may wonder, okay, the picture was emerging last week that this was their suspect. why wasn't the arrest made until today, right? but there is a lot that goes into making sure your ducks are in a row before you make the arrest. and now, there is a big part of the investigation left in terms of determining a connection between the suspects. a potential connection, i should say, between the suspect and the victims. >> that's right. that's one key question we have. was this someone targeting these people specifically? or was this random? there is a lot here that tells us it appears the suspect had some kind of details about moving around that residence. especially at that time or hour. for no neighbors to hear about it, to your point about building
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this case, what we know about building this case, the suspect driving across the country under surveillance, the authorities probably didn't have the actual cause to pick him up at that point. having worked in law enforcement, these are resource intensive operations. i was looking at a map. depending on the route he took, at least fbi divisions that would have been involved, surveillance teams and pick-up teams and all kinds of assets to follow this person. if this is a potential murder suspect, this is around the clock 24-hour operation. we know from authorities that they were finally able to make the case and get the probable cause. this morning it was pennsylvania state police who put handcuffs on this suspect along with the fbi, and now they moved through the extradition process to get it back. a lot of it will come down to whether the suspect is actually talking. sometime the suspects confess. sometime they're proud of what
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they did. and a good lawyer would tell them not to speak. and then they're having to rely on him. and once it is unsealed, according to the supreme court ruling, only can occur once the suspect is back in the state of idaho, we'll learn more details. how authorities got on to this person and why they believe he is the alleged killer here. >> we should make clear, there is a lot we don't know. we don't know if a tip came in enter along the line and that's when law enforcement was able to track him. the bottom line is he drove that white elantra that had been widely publicized across the country from idaho to his parents' home in pennsylvania. it is interesting that they could find the dna at the crime scene. the car is a big piece of the puzzle but they didn't have the murder weapon. how critical is that in this
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investigation? >> well, they don't need the smoking knife. they've got dna -- they allegedly have dna that puts the suspect on the scene. they have thor today that was seen around the house. the murder weapon would be good to have. and they will look for it when they search the residence where he was arrested, from the washington state university, they'll look for it when they search that car. all of those warrants are being processed now and they'll keep looking for it. the interesting factor is that, you know, the killer brought an edged weapon with a fixed blade, which shows that they intended to use it for something at that place at that time. and they took it with them. which may mean the killer has an attachment to that with that. it would be good for the case. on the other hand, he had 38
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hours of driving to throw it out the window and multiple desert roads and deserted places. so we'll have to see how they do with their search. >> we will have to see. thank you all so much. still to come, an in-depth look at the picture we are gradually putting together about this suspect. bryan kohberger. plus, a famed profiler who once worked at the fbi will join us with her observations about the suspect. and then years after he promised to release them himself, which of course he never did, we finally know what is in president trump's tax returns. a detailed examination of the returns released today by house democrats.
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the 28-year-old grad student, bryan kohberger, arrested today on four counts of murder. and we are learning about how long he was in the sights of authorities. sources tell me they were tracking him when he was driving. he drove from idaho to his parents' home in pennsylvania, arriving in pennsylvania around christmas. but there is still much we do not know about his background, his relationship with the four people he is accused of murdering, if there even was a relationship, and the events that led to their deaths. here's more on what we know. >> reporter: a call to the public. authorities in need of any information regarding bryan kohberger.
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>> we still ask for people to continually send us things in the tip line. >> reporter: his dna and white hyundai elantra linking him to the case. according to two law enforcement sources, briefed on the investigation. but more evidence is needed for a successful prosecution. >> we are still looking for more information. we're still trying to build that picture just like we've stated all along. we're putting all the pieces together and that will help. >> bryan kohberger. >> reporter: he graduated in may from the university in pennsylvania with a masters in criminal justice. >> it is someone who has been delving into the inner most sanctum of criminal thinking is now accused of a particularly horrific crime. >> reporter: a reddit post removed after it was made public, a student investigator named bryan kohberger sought participation in a research project associated with the desalle university study. it was to understand how
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emotions and psychological traits influence decision making when committing a crime. the post set the study sought to understand the most recent criminal offense with an emphasis on your thoughts and feelings throughout your experience. most recently, he was a graduate student at washington state university's department of criminal justice and criminology. >> i am not at all surprised, although really disheartened to find out this suspect is a ph.d. student at the university. we had to understand this was an organized killer. >> reporter: he was studying and living in pullman, washington, a few miles from the crime scene. police searched his university residence friday morning. >> this is a smart guy lou is obsessed with crime. >> reporter: he was arrested early friday morning, giving law enforcement a clear focus for their investigation. >> this is not an ending but
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rather a new beginning. >> washington state university also released a statement tonight. what did they say? >> the chancellor of the university saying they are shaken, that the entire region is shaken by this crime scene. they will long feel the loss for these students and adds that she homes this will be the beginning of a healing process. in terms of the investigation, the university confirming that they helped in terms of the university police execute the search warrant. there were two of them. one to his apartment, one to his office. they were both on campus. the university saying they will continue to assist law enforcement in any way possible. and then finally, pam, confirming that just this month the suspect finished his first semester. he was a ph.d. student in the criminal justice program and he finished that semester just this month, pam. >> thank you so much. so interesting. i'm joined now by a retired fbi
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special agent and profiler who has worked on many high profile investigations including elizabeth smart and natalie holaway. we reported, that he has a masters degree in criminal justice. you just heard that. he was studying for his ph.d.. is it accused of someone accused of a crime like this to have an education and ground in criminality? >> it is an interesting question but not unheard of. we had ted bundy who had a background in psychology. his bachelor's degree was psychology. we had btk, bind, torture, kill, serial murder, his academic background was also in criminology. it is not unusual that they will go to college and may even do well and study in an area that they find of interest. tell unabomber had a ph.d. in
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mathematics. we don't want to make too much of it until we learn more of this individual. how he was using his academic knowledge and was he using that to help plan these crimes. so i think there's a lot we have to know before we can really understand where this knowledge, where this academic expertise comes into play. >> right. and again, he is still the suspect, innocent until proven guilty in this country, but certainly police believe this is their guy. this is who they've been searching for. this is their suspect. we also learned that a person named bryan kohberger wanted to participate in a study to understand how emotions and psychological traits that influence decision making when committing a crime. unquote. if that is the same bryan kohberger, does that tell you anything? >> if it is the same person, it would be very interesting because it would suggest that
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this suspect was really drawn to that kind of a topic. that kind of study. he was interested in really trying to understand how murders are committed and what is going on in people's heads. that would certainly give the investigators and someone like me a profile, more information about perhaps, how well planned this crime was. what else went into the planning, how long was it in the planning? so when you interview someone, you have the really do your homework of a suspect. you have to understand more about them than what they'll tell you. so if there is this planning through academics, and through research, if you know about it ahead of time. if they simply say, i just don't know. i don't know why i did it. i just chose that house. i went in there and i did it. you'll know based on your knowledge and your own homework that that is not the case. >> and the other cases you
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mentioned, is it typical that the person already has those tendencies, already interested in committing a crime? already having been imagining it, and then they go on and study it? or could it be that someone studies it and suddenly, they're just really interested in it and they want to put it to use? >> it's really the former. the the senior is there and they pursue that academic interest. the personality is such, it is really involved. someone that is in many cases, very cold-blooded, very predatory in their actions, without empathy for another human being. so the academics don't determine the crime. they are in addition to what they already have and that behavior. >> a fascinating conversation. thank you. the long legal fight is over.
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democrats fought to obtain, review, and ultimately reveal. six years worth of trump's personal tax returns. the house, ways and means committee released thousands ever pages of documents covering six years from 2015 to 2020. all those numbers are merely raising new questions. kristin holmes is here to help us sort through the paperwork. what are the biggest takeaways? >> so we knew some of this. we learned so many more details through these thousands of pages that cover six years of his tax returns. let's start with his income tax and what he paid while he was in office west learned that he paid $750 only in 2017. in 2018 and 2019, he paid a total of $1.9 million. in 2020, he paid zero dollars. the way he was able to do this was by claiming large losses that he carried over. i talked to a number of tax experts who point directly to
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that zero dollars. they say they believe this could signal actual business failures. some of this is strategic accounting. they carry over the losses intentionally to offset their income. that zero dollars is something that might indicate actual problems with his businesses. the other big takeaway that i saw was, tax experts raising questions about claims that trump had on his businesses. in one case in particular, in 2017, he said that his djt company that operates his helicopter, income was $42,965. that is a very specific number. well, he claimed the exact same amount in expenses. meaning the net was zero and there were no taxes on it. so questions there as to how that would work. one expert saying that was statistically impossible to have those numbers line up like that. >> yeah. a very, very specific number. one of points of concern was that he might be receiving
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income from foreign entities during his time as president. what does this tell us about that? >> this was something we're looking for. what we found is that he held foreign bank accounts throughout his entire presidency. there is one in particular that is raising a lot of eyebrows. if we look at this, in 2015, he had bank accounts in the united kingdom, ireland, china. 2016, ireland, china, st. martin. 2017, united kingdom, ireland, china. there are a lot of questions about why he was still holding a bank account in china. and i talked to several business analysts who say they want to know more about that. what were his business interests in china? is there any indication that his policies were impacted by the fact that he had this business interest there. and we're talking about foreign governments and foreign taxes. one other thing to point out. we talked about his income tax in the u.s. in 2017. he only paid $720. that same iyear, he paid $1
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million in foreign taxes. the reason why this is significant, it is custom for a businessman who has entities across the globe to pay this kind of money. what it sheds light on, we know while he was president, serving in the white house where his actual business was. china, turkey, mexico. these are things that now there's questions about whether or not, again, was his policy or any impact on how he was acting because he had these business interests in these countries. >> very fair questions. now russ, from "the new york times." you've been reporting on the former president's finances for years. what do you make of these returns? did anything jump out at you? >> i think on the returns themselves, what you see is a continuation of what we reported earlier, based on 20 years of
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his tax returns. the businesses he run don't make money very often. they often lose money and he subsidize that's with money from his inheritance, his entertainment work on "the apprentice" and endorsement deals that don't require any business expertise but have been incredibly lucrative. there was an example in this latest trove where during his one year that he reported a significant positive income, that was 2018, about $24 million. it looked like it had been a turn for him. that was the first year he reported positive income in more than a decade. what happened is, he sold assets that he inherited from his father for $26 million. so that more than accounted for all of that positive income. and that's been a theme throughout his life. then you see other things in terms of working the tax laws to his favor, in ways that are somewhere between aggressive and just outright audacious.
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>> so, you know, does it surprise you based on what we know then, like you're pointing out these things that would raise questions. maybe audacious, that his tax returns did not receive a more comprehensive audit? >> i think that's absolutely shocking. you think about this for a regular worker, your employer sends a w-2 to the irs. you report a number that has to match that w-2 on your form. those numbers have to match up exactly, right? or you have a real problem. what you see here is that donald trump is reporting hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue. more in expenses, to report losses, and go no one is going in to ask him to substantiate that. in fact the irs when this begins has an open audit for a refund that he obtained of $72 million in 2009. and they're still reviewing that all these years later. that's not resolved. even to this day, as far as we know, it is not resolved.
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and they have one auditor signed to look at these 500 tax returns that he files every year, until the pressure increases, and they upped that to three. which is till wholly inadequate. and they are not even thinking about reviewing all of those businesses. just his personal return and a couple of business entities. >> is there anything in these returns that you could see becoming part of another investigation, such as those currently being run by jack smith with the justice department? >> it is a great question. it is a frustration of tax returns. these are not his complete tax returns. as i said, he files about 500 returns a year. these are six of them. there are questions that raise questions in a tax return. my thought is that the four corners of a tax return don't generally show a red flag that points straight to an indictment. but there are things that require further examination.
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there is a charitable donation that he claimed. a tax return shows it was a charitable donation of land for $21 million. the underlying story of that is that it is land he bought around in the state in westchester county. he tried for more than a decade to develop it. he failed. wasn't really worth very much. but he got an appraisal to say it was worth 21 million. he filed that to lower his taxes that year and in future years. tell irs finally under pressure started looking at that. and it seems they're going to say, it was worth between $8 million and zero. so those are the things that could be looked at more. there are a lot of expenses that are quite suspicious. his golf course in bed minutester one year. increased five fold. somebody should go in and look at that and see whether it is a real number or whether he's padding with it other things. >> yeah. there are a lot of questions
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that remain. russ, thank you so much. still ahead, as a list of george santos' lies continues to grow, so is the back lash he's facing. both his voters and campaign donors say they feel betrayed. what sources have been telling me and my colleagues. details on that next. i'm jonathan lawson here to tell you about life insurance through the colonial penn program. if you're age 50 to 85, and looking to buy life insurance on a fixed budget, member the three ps. what are the three ps? the three ps of life insurance on a fixed budget
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incoming congressman george santos' campaign finances. records that his campaign filed with the s.e.c. show 37 expenses that were just one penny below the threshold to keep receipts. $199.99. the filing also has several unusual expenses, including exorbitant amounts spent on air travel. and more than $10,000 in what are listed as rent payment to the cleaner company 123. it is where his district is located on long island. santos is failing more trouble over his rampant lies. several of his campaign owners told me and my producer, they feel betrayed. it is not just his don'tors. voters are also outraged. some want him to resign. >> reporter: in george santos' long island district, the outrage is palpable.
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>> george santos is a fraud. i no longer support him. >> reporter: democrats and republicans angry in the wake of revelations. santos lied extensively about his personal background and credentials. she voted for santos and was drawn to list positions on pushing back on covid-19 measures in schools. but the nassau county mom showed up at a rally this week, organized by state democrats. to call on him to resign. >> the whole persona that he created, the ability to deceive us is so troubling. this man should not be allowed to be in office and we all know it. i want to show you, the republicans know it, too. >> reporter: among a slew of fabrications. he misrepresented himself as jewish and claimed his grandparents were holocaust survivors. something genealogists say there's no record of. >> he's a make believe person.
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he's a person that's not there. >> reporter: the jewish community leader met santos twice and thought he was the fresh face the district needed. but now? >> given what you know now, if the election was tomorrow and you had to do it all again wourks vote for george santos? >> absolutely not. i couldn't. i couldn't. in good conscience. once someone lies to me, i can never trust that individual again. the holocaust is something that touches the heart of every jew. and someone that would use that as a talking point, as a vote getter. i think is wrong. >> reporter: but some say he should have the opportunity to further explain himself. >> the plan deserves his say, and he has to answer to a lot of personal questions.
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why we're at the situation. the bottom line, at the end of the day, he has to own up to everything. >> he hasn't done anything wrong. as far as legalitywise. he admitted he lied. and most christian people believe in forgiveness. maybe not forget, but move on. let's see what happens. >> reporter: and disappointed voters are not the only concern for santos. federal and local prosecutors now investigating the incoming congressman who is set to be sworn in next week. >> reporter: so the response is somewhat varied. even the jewish community leader, even though he said he wouldn't vote for him again if he had the opportunity, he wasn't outright calling for him to resign. one thing seems to be pretty consistent though in oyster bay, in great neck. these communities, this is a very wealthy district. but these communities are not always in the national
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spotlight. and i think there's consistent disappointment that now it is because of this congressman-elect that has told so many lies, that they are receiving this type of attention. i should note the district includes parts of queens as well. pam? >> all right. thank you so much. joining me now, democratic congressman from new york, richie torres. we just heard from some of congressman sanchez' soon to be constituents. what do you think? >> george santos should resign. as far as i'm concerned, he's a sociopath had a has defrauded the voters of new york state. and mr. santos not only he lies about his lies. he claims he only embellished his résumé. he claims he never said he was jewish, he was "jew-ish."
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this snake oil salesman is about to become elected united states congressman, and he's about to have access to sensitive -- i have no confidence that a republican controlled house is going to protect the public from the future fraudulence of george santos. >> what about the donors in this case? i spoke with several campaign donors and people who attended his fund-raisers today. and they told me they felt disappointment. they felt conned, betrayed following the allegations of fraud and misrepresentation against this incoming congressman. should they get their money back? >> george santos should resign, and he should return every single contribution. and even worse than his lying is his possible law breaking. as late as may of 2020, he reported earning a salary of
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$55,000 a year. then in 2021 and 2022, he reported earn something where between $3.5 million dollars. that's astronomical. he lent his own campaign over $700,000. and he claims the source of the money is the divelder organization, which he owns. he's never revealed any of his clients on his federal disclosure, as required by federal laws. so, all of these are signs -- or grounds for suspicion and investigation. >> and we do know that investigators are looking into this on the federal and local level. as you know, he has maintained his innocence, saying he has never broken any law, he's not a criminal, he's not a fraud. you plan to introduce a bill to require candidates to disclose under oath their history. it will be called the stop
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another -- put together spelled out s.a.n.t.o.s. how do you think republican colleagues should handle santos once he's sworn in next week? >> the republicans should call on him to resign, and he should be relegated to the margin. he should not be appointed to committees that have access to sensitive information. but the republicans bear responsibility for george santos. elise stefanik endorsed him, raised $100,000 for george santos. republican leadership knew he was a fraud and said and did nothing. so, as far as i'm concerned, the republican party's complicit in the fraud that george santos perpetrated against the people of the united states. >> and we should note, we've reached out to stefanik's office, have not heard back. a donor did tell me that elise stefanik did introduce this donor with santos. but also a lot of people i've been talking to today are saying, what about the democrats?
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where was their opposition research? >> look, there was a failure across the board, a failure on the part of the democratic party, on the part of the media. but ultimately it's an indictment of the republican party. he's the republican nominee, and no one in republican leadership has said anything about him. even as a republican d.a. has opened a criminal investigation into mr. santos. we are owed an apology and an explanation. >> congressman torrez, thank for your time tonight. january 6th committee dropping a massive batch of new testimony, including from ginni thomas. how she explains texts she sent about challenging the 2020 election results. and efeffortlessly responds to both of you. our smart sleepers get 28 minutes more restful sleeeep per night. proven quality sleep. only from m sleep number.
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i want to hear you say it out loud. well, i could switch us to xfinity. those smiles. that's why i do what i do. that and the paycheck. tonight, new transcripts from dozens of witnesses who went before the january 6th committee, and this includes ginni thomas, wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas. text messages from 2020 show thomas pleading with then-white house chief of staff mark meadows to challenge the election results. according to her testimony, thomas told the committee, quote, i can't say i was familiar at the time with any specific evidence. i was just hearing it from news reports and friends on the ground, grass roots activists who were inside of various polling places that found things suspicious. cnn political correspondent sara
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murray joins us now. so, sara, what more can you tell us about ginni thomas' testimony? >> it's been a wild friday with our team going over these transcripts. one of the big names, ginni thomas, wife of clarence thomas. she asked about the text messages she exchanged with mark meadows, encouraging trump to continue the election results. she does sound a little bit sorry about that. she says, i regret the tone and content of these texts. i find my language prudent and choice of sending the texts and emails unfortunate. she added, i would take them all back if i could today, clearly not happy those texts are out there. although she did still stand by her belief there was fraud in the 2020 election, even though, she didn't have evidence to cite to that fact. >> she has long been a conservative activist and has long tried to argue that was fraud in previous elections as
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well. it's interesting to learn more of her testimony. she was always an interesting witness, given she's married to a supreme court justice. you've been digging through testimony from tony ornato, served as deputy white house chief of staff. what did he tell the committee? tony ornato came up because we got that bombshell testimony from cassidy hutchinson, when she told how irate donald trump was he couldn't go to the capitol on january 6th. tony ornato when he talked to the committee didn't recall all kinds of things. he didn't recall trump being angry. he didn't recall the motorcade. he didn't remember things that way. when it came to january 6th, the committee said, do you remember people trying to get donald trump to say something, to make a public statement. and tony ornato compares it to the fall of war. he says, i'll be honest with you. it was chaotic. it was late informatio
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