more now on our breaking news, an icon in tv news died. barbara walters, news anchor, reporter and talk show host died at 93 years old. she acknowledged she did have a

legacy but pointed out it was more than just her interviews with those famous people. cnn richard roth looks back on her trail blazing career. >> barbara walters was one of the most fascinating people of any year in the tv era. >> i know i've done important interviews. i know that i have been a part of history. >> was she ever? >> are you sorry you didn't burn the tapes? >> yes, i think so because they were private conversations. >> we read you are mad. >> from murderers. >> why did you kill john lennon. >> to movie stores. >> are you a changed man since the illness? did it effect you very much? did you mind being thought of as se sex, sex, sex? >> have curiosity, follow the curiosity. i'm a great believer in homework. >> before people revealed all on social media, barbara walters was the interviewer to open up

the stars. >> does he hit you? >> he shakes, he pushes, he swings. >> i hope they think i'm fair and i can be penetrating without being a killer and i am, i hope. >> and which interview was her most important? >> the first and at that time the only interview. >> you are always like this? [ laughter ] >> she said her 1977 interview with cuba's fidel castro was a news coup. >> a man who run as country. a man that allows no descent. >> castro didn't make it easy. >> blowing a cigar he smokes in my face for three and a half hours. i didn't mind it. it was a different time. >> about 74 million people the most viewers for a news program tuned in to see monica lewinsky

the white house inturn involved with president clinton. >> what will you tell your children when you have them? >> mommy made a big mistake. >> she got a reputation for making her interview guests cry. >> never got to know -- [crying] >> and you won't feel so big. >> after kathryn said she felt like an old tree, walters was cut down by critics for asking this. >> what kind of a tree are you? >> it didn't take long for walters to become part of pop culture. the same network that made fun of her was where she got her big break, nbc's "today show". >> i was not a television set. i kicked the door open because after being there 11 years i was named the first co-host of a morning program. >> she was not permitted by her co-host to ask a question until he posed three. >> harry, barbara walters.

>> it got worse when walters to the surprise of many was named the first female co-anchor of a network tv news story. >> you owe me four minutes. >> she later described it as drowning without a life preserver. >> the barbara walters special. >> the specials saved my life. >> good evening, i'm barbara walters. >> and launched a legendary career at abc capped by creating and co-hosting "the view". >> when did you first learn about sex? >> i didn't learn about sex until i started to do this show and now i know more about sex than i ever wanted to know. the chemistry of it and the fact that it's live, that it's outrageous, that you never know what you're going to hear. >> when she left "the view" and abc" they named a building in her honor, a lasting monument. >> i'm so proud of the women today. there are so many of them that are wonderful. that's my legacy.

>> as richard just mentioned, barbara walters' most watched interview was in march of 1999 with monica lewinsky. here is a little more. 74 million people tuned in. >> you showed the president of the united states your thong under wear. where did you get the nerve? who does that? >> i blurted out, you know, i have a crush on you. >> he kilsssed you? >> yes. >> what did you think? >> he's a good kisser. >> did you ever tell bill clinton you're in love with him? >> yes. >> what did he say? >> he said that means a lot to me. >> did he ever tell you he was in love with you? >> no. >> those are some good questions right there. 74 million people tuned in to see that. tributes for barbara walters are pouring in tonight. joan london tweeting quote we lost a true legend with the pasting of barbara walters, such a trailblazer, such a generous

woman. i learned so much from working with her. her 2020 colleague debra roberts says quote what an honor to share the set with the trailblazer when i joined abc "20/20" will never forget the phone call when she asked me to join the ground breaking program and her "view" co-host michelle collins said a right of passage to become a co-host on "the view" is have lunch with barbara walters. she was an absolute trailblazer, class, eloquenelegance, hard to by. without barbara walters there wouldn't have been me nor any woman you see on evening, morning or daily news. she was indeed a trailblazer. i did my very first television audition with her in mind the whole time. grateful she was such a powerful gra grace shows role model,

grateful have know her and followed in her light and connie chong joins me now. she worked with barbara walters at abc news. connie, great to have you on tonight. tell us your thoughts as you hear this sad news about barbara walters. >> alyson, i can't imagine journalism without barbara. barbara was one of a hand full of women who was in a news business at the time i started but beyond that, she blazed a trail for the men, too. in other words, the men were sitting back there not aggressively going after interviews, one on one interviews and they were not picking up the phone, frankly. she did everything she could to get an interview. she was emphaticble. i met her in 1969 first when i was working at a local station

in washington d.c. and she was just -- she was bigger than life. she met me at her limousine at the southwest gate of the white house because i wanted to interview her and i hopped in the limbo and i sat there in the back with her and she had an assistant sitting in the front and she was giving instructions on what to do about this and what to do about that and i thought oh my god, this is like a kathryn hepburn movie saying so definitively, this is what i need to do and i thought oh, gosh, if i ever get to there, you know, how will i be? well, that was the first time but then we had a long relationship. because there were times when i was competing against her for

interviews. >> what was that like, connie? competing against barbara walters for the get. what was that like? >> oh my god. i thought i was against mount rushmore. i thought i'd never get this. when i did, i did a few times, she'd write me a note. i can just see her. she would wear -- she had this stationary that was blue, sometimes it was white with a blue lettering but it had her -- her handwriting was kind of slanted. not schoolteacher handwriting. it was -- and every time she would write me a note, it was heart felt. i mean, it really was so sincere i thought oh my gosh, this is how she gets people into her

close confidence and i could tell when i realized that i was doing everything barbara walters said, i tried to, it started out learning three big things, alsyson one is that her parents, her father had a nightclub that collapsed and so basically, she was supporting her family, her father, her mother and her sister, disabled sister and then my father retired and i was supporting my parents and it was -- we had a bond because on that because she and i both understood the fact that we needed jobs and we had to put up with the sexism and -- >> yes and i wanted to ask you about that, connie. this was no easy feat, obviously for her to blaze this trail because we just played this moment where they didn't --

nobody welcomed her with open arms. her male co-hosts were no happy she was there and let it be known and she stayed anyway. >> my gosh, oh, yeah. >> and that's not an easy road every day to show up and feel that way and her tenacity allowed her to stay and one more thing, connie, i think you can relate to because i think all female journalists in the '70s and '80s felt this way everything she gave up. she had to make so many personal sacrifices. >> yes, well, we both forgot to have a baby. so she adopted and abee baby a then i adopted a baby. >> you really do follow in her footsteps. you're not kidding. >> here is one more, when she was named the first female co-anchor of an evening news broadcast 20 years later, i became the second female to be named to an evening news

broadcast, first at cbs but the second after barbara walters and when i was trumped after two years, she was dumped after two years. >> my gosh. >> she was the only one who could really console me. she called me i know what you're feeling because we were both working with people who didn't want us sitting next to them. >> yeah, you have so many parallels, connie. with barbara on the air, we showed a few collapse there of people she was interviewing, celebrities and, you know, it was -- her signature move or whatever -- i don't know if it was intentional but she always ended up making people cry to the point where people would start the interview by saying and i'm not going to cry, barbara, you're not going to get me to cry and then they'd cry. what was her secret sauce for making people connect on such a level? >> she provided an intimate setting.

they didn't realize she was drawing them out. it was almost like i used to try to play shrink with people and i think that's what barbara was doing. she was getting them to reveal their innermost thoughts. she was a very personalble woman and i found one time i was at -- my husband and i went to the opening of a hotel, actually, in las vegas and we both -- barbara and i got our nails done at the same time and there she was a -- she loved gossip so we sat and got our nails done and gossiping and it was the best time i had in a long time. >> i would love to have a gossip

session with barbara walters and you for that matter. >> she knew it all. she was not shy about sharing it with a girlfriend. >> oh my gosh. well, connie, that's great. thank you so much for sharing this. you really bring back what were often the glory -- i mean, i don't know if barbara walters could call them the glory days because she was having to elbow her way to the top but the era of, you know, limousines and assistants and all that. she in 93 years, i thought about this, the ark of her life and her career and what she saw in journalism, i mean, is truly jaw dropping to go from the traditional reporter pounding the pavement to the creating "the view" what was ground breaking in its format at that time. she really saw and did it all. >> you know what? she was a great producer. she had started a program at nbc

called "not for women only req" and it was very much like "the view" but the network didn't actually really support it. and in many ways it was not for women but was and she revised by creating "the view." it was her concept and idea. when i worked with her at "20/20" she was noirlgly a writer at -- on "the today show." when i worked with her at "20/20" we would sit at these meetings and i would watch her say no, this is what we should say and she would be skcribblin on a piece of paper. she was creating a story line and sort of basically saying

this is what i want to say and i want you to get-togethers with this idea. >> that's interesting, connie. at her heart, she's a story teller. she was a story teller and i think that that is another reason that people relate to her. speaking of "the view" we're also joined by lisa ling who of course was a co-host on "the view" but connie, thanks for joining us. great to talk to you tonight and hear your remembrances of barbara. i what. to get to lisa now. tell us your thoughts as we listen to connie tell her about her history of barbara and so many of your memories. >> i mean, i just found your conversation with connie one of my other idleaidols talking abo barbara moving. we're talking about two women that have truly been the ultimate pioneers in the ind us ind -- industry and literally as connie talked about sometimes

competing for the same interviews and you really had to do it at the time because there were so few women at that level in the business but yet, there was this profound mutual respect and admiration of each other i will never tire to listen to. one of the things i was able to experience working with barbara at "the view," "the view" gave her a different platform for so many years she was known as, you know, the woman who could secure the interview with just about anyone whether it was fidel castro or gaddafi or monica lewinsky but "the view" really allowed her to tell stories of her life, to just be -- tell stories as an ordinary human

being and not as the scelebrity interviewer and she really relished that and loved being able to just speak freely and give her opinions and talk so openly what she was experiencing in her life. >> that's interesting because obviously, that's so different than how she was trained. obviously as a journalist, you're not supposed to share your opinions. she was trained in that old school of thought and i saw that clip and maybe you saw it now, too, of "the view," where it can get spicy and there is sex talk and girl talk and barbara seemed to be blushing basically when it would veer in that direction? >> alyson, she loved it. she absolutely loved it. i was listening to connie talk about it. i was in my mid 20s but i will never forget the stories and she

loved to know everything about everyone and i think she really enjoyed having the freedom on "the view" toe talk about things in her career as a journalist she would never have been able to talk about and so that really was a really beautiful platform for her. >> and you talked about how you were in your 20s when you went to "the view." you were not a tv professional. did she coach you? >> i mean, she coached everyone. she was constantly advising people, not so much what to say because when we were out there, it was a free for all but she definitely, you know, was never shy about sharing her two cents about so many things we were talking about. but she was such a charchmpion

connie talking about the notes and when i left "the view," i received a note from her on the blue stationary with that slanted handwriting that donnie was referring to that said i'm watching you and i'm proud of you and she was someone that was always sending the note and wanted people to know that she was watching them and supporting them. >> that's so generous. that is so generous and she didn't have to do that. you know, she was barbara walters but that's really grace shows -- gracious. she had to -- i think a lot of women in the coming up in the '60s and '70s and '80s felt like they had to act like men to emulate men and that meant being more aggressive and sometimes meant being more meaner, i think some women felt that but it sounds like she didn't do that. she was supportive of female colleagues and young women coming up in the business and

it's nice to hear your experience. >> she was certainly nothing but supportive with me but she did have to fight. she was so demeaned and she would tell us stories about the things that harry would say and do to her and i think that it really compelled her to feel like she had to push harder and fight harder as well and again, i don't know that we would be doing what we're doing if it weren't for the likes of barbara walters and connie chung who engaged in the battles for us so we wouldn't have to fight the same battles and they were hard. connie talked about how she and both barbara adopted their children because they missed that opportunity. they had to make so many

sacrifices to work at the highest levels in broadcast journalism and i think that there are a lot of regrets that come along with it. having said that, i know that there is no one, there was no one, no one more important to her. she loved no one more than her daughter jackie. i mean, her admiration for her daughter and the regrets about not spending more time with her daughter when she was at the height of more career i think continued to impact her for a very long time. >> yeah, even i know that about her. i didn't work with her but heard her talk about things like that. i agree. not only did she pave the way for us and our careers but we were able to have more of a ball lan -- balance in our lives because of the women of connie chung and barbara walters generation told

us not to give up what they had given up for this career -- >> yeah, and she was emphatic -- with me about telling me not to sacrifice my personal career. i mean, she would say that to me so frequently. >> well, lisa, great to talk to you about all of this and to hear your memories of barbara walters and just what a loss it is for us but of course, she had a stellar career. so lisa, thank you very much for joining me tonight. >> thank you. >> appreciate talking to you. coming up at the top of the hour at midnight from the cnn arc archives, we'll air a special episode of "larry king live" with barbara walters. she talks about the biggest headline making interviews so stick around for that. of course, a busy news night here tonight. when we come back, i want to turn to the latest on the suspect in the killing of the four college students in idaho. icy hot pro.

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new information tonight about the suspect in the murders of the four college students in idaho stabbed to death in their beds last month. 28-year-old bryan kohberger was arrested and faces four counts of first-degree murder. a law enforcement source says he drove across country in a white hyundai elantra from idaho and arrived in pennsylvania at his parents' house around christmas all the while law enforcement was tracking his every step. we have more. >> detect tives arrested 28-year-old bryan christopher kohberger on a warrant for murder -- >> reporter: the announcement idaho and much of the nation waited to hear, 47 days after the killing of four university of idaho students, a suspect is now in custody.

kohberger was arrested in pennsylvania friday on four counts of first-degree murder. >> in addition to felony burglary which involves entering the residence with the intent to commit the crime of murder. >> reporter: any indication the suspect knew the victims? >> that's part of the investigation, as well. that won't be something that will come out at this point in time. >> reporter: police won't release a motive but law enforcement sources tell cnn police were led to him after tracing the ownership of a white hyundai elantra seen in the area the night of the killings. they learned kohberger left the moscow area and tracked to monroe pennsylvania south of scranton. sources say the fbi surveilled him for four days until the arrest was made at 1:30 a.m. on friday. his white hyundai was recovered those sources tell cnn and his dna was found at the crime scene. >> providing any details in the criminal investigation might have tainted the upcoming criminal prosecution or alerted the suspect of our progress. >> reporter: kohberger is a grad

student majoring in criminology at washington state universitiless than ten miles west of the crime scene in most d -- moscow, idaho. police sent the day searching his campus apartment in washington. >> bryan kohberger. >> reporter: he graduated earlier in 2022 in pennsylvania. a reddit post made while a student there indicates he worked on how emotions and psychological traits influence decision making when committing a crime with an emphasis on your thoughts and feelings throughout your experience. back in moscow, the announcement is bringing the first signs of relief after weeks of fear. >> it's just been very scary not knowing who is out there. >> reporter: and now? >> well, i feel much better. i feel relieved. so i'm very happy the police have done the work. >> reporter: alyson, undergraduate students at the university of idaho get back to campus in less than two weeks and authorities say they will

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agent bobby and criminologist cray casey jordan. josh, am i right to assume basically all this came together in the past week once police got results from the dna test they had taken from the scene? >> that's right. it comes down to dna and law enforcement says this white hyundai elantra they had a be on the lookout alert for law enforcement sources to tell us they were able to match the suspect's dna with unknown dna found in idaho with a public dna database to match to a family member and started getting on to this suspect and this vehicle they were able to locate, he traveled across the country that according to sourcing from our colleague pam brown and this morning, law enforcement there in pennsylvania particularly the pennsylvania state police put handcuffs on the suspect and the fbi was there as well. what happens next is we're waiting to see how the extradition will take place, whether he'll fight extradition.

that's the what. we don't know why. we don't know the connection or whether he knew the verdictims. we hope court records will be unsealed there in idaho. >> let's talk how the fbi tracked him from washington driving across the country to piz his parents' house in pennsylvania and sit on his house and surveil him for four days waiting for an arrest warrant. that can't be easy. we've seen other cases where the suspect vanished during something like that. >> i've seen cases where we lost people with the fbi for awhile. think about the opportunities he has to make a move from west to east, every time you go to a rest area, you got to know where he is. he committed four murders. you have to know where he is at nighttime. you got to be able to see him on an open road, you don't want him to see somebody behind him for too long. that might be a helicopter of plane. if he gets into a dense area, that's urban, you have to have

rotating teams on him so he doesn't identify anybody. i tell you, one of the important things about that tailing process is i think the right choice by the police and the feds not to speak about this case. the individual appeared to be fairly comfortable not thinking people were on his tail. that helped a lot here i think, alyson. >> it is remarkable because they put the be on the lookout for the car on december 7th so he had three weeks to get rid of car and he didn't. i agree, i guess them playing it close to the vest obviously did help. so casey, that brings me to you. the fact that we know that this suspect studied criminology and was soliciting information online from criminals in terms of how they planned their crimes and their feelings, let me read to you what he posted on reddit seeking information in particular this study seeks to understand the story behind your most recent criminal offense with an emphasis on your thoughts and feelings throughout

your experience. what do you see here, casey? >> well, it's almost like he was studying. he has been described by fellow criminal justice students in his program as one of those guys who is very -- stared a lot and with he did speak he was overly academic and wanted to be an expert on everything. some of the questions in that survey he did as part of his master study this year about -- included questions about did you plan it before you left your home? what were you thinking and feeling? what did you do after the crime? it's almost as if he wanted to do research on violent crime by committing it himself that he didn't trust self-reports of people who had been incarcerated, that he was surveying on reddit. it was almost as if he was challenging how can you be an expert on something you've never done. we have seen this.

we've seen highly intelligent people, the unabomber had a phd and ted bun dy went to law school. sometimes there is a fine line between people studying something to be part of it. it's almost like that. everything we've found out about him would fit the profile the fbi would have worked up on this culprit. >> bobby, your thoughts? >> well, we enter the new phase as josh and phil eluded to, we've been in this face following him and things like that. now we know who he is and come out in the open. you heard them ask if anybody knows anything about this guy. we'll see a public and over investigation of the guy. we have what they need. the prosecutors would not have gone forward with charges if they weren't comfortable with what they have but now we're going to see a much more overt investigation. they're seeking people to call in and tips i think they'll get a ton of tips overnight and the next couple days about him and his behavior before and after

the crime. >> i might as well put up the tip line for anybody that knows anything about this suspect. the idaho police would like to hear from you, the moscow idaho police 208-883-7180. thank you for your expertise. meanwhile, the january 6th transcripts keep coming and this time we're learning more about how much clearance thomas knew about his wife's texts to trump's chief of staff. that's next. and at the top of the hour we have a special encore episode of "larry king live with barbara walters." she talks about her career, big interviews, her life all in her own words coming up at midnight.

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the newest bach of transcripts includes the testimonyin gin knknee ginni thomas. she was texting with then trump white house chief of staff mark meadows and while donald trump and his supporters urged the supreme court to consider throwing out millions of votes in battle ground states, mrs. thomas denied putting any pressure on her husband. she told the committee i can guarantee my husband has never spoken to me about pending cases in the court. it's an ironclad rule in our house. he's uninterested in politics and i generally don't discuss my day to day work in politics. i did not discuss at all my post election activities but some of the transcripts suggest that might not be true. let's bring in former federal prosecutor and cnn political

analyst and managing editor margaret. margaret, let's recap and remember the text exchange between ginni thomas and mark meadows in which she sort of uses code and refers to someone as her best friend and i remember there being speculation for weeks about was she referring to justice thomas? so here it is. she says mark meadows says to her, okay, after the election this is a fight of good versus evil, evil always looks like the victor until the king of kings tru triumphs. do not grow weary. the fight continues. i've staked my career on it, at least my time in d.c. on it. jeginni thomas responds thank y, needed that, this plus a conversation with my best friend just now. i will try to keep holding on. america is worth it. so people wondered if that meant clarence thomas and here is what she said to the panel. she said they asked her about

that text and if she was calling her husband her best friend. she said mark meadows is a friend of mine and my best friend that i talk about is often my husband. so now we know she did talk to him on that day. we don't know exactly about what but what does that suggest? oh. hold on, margaret. we have to fix your audio. hold on a second. okay. hold that thought. we'll fix that. i'll come to you first. this doesn't look good for supreme court -- justice clarence thomas. this is what people feared and here she's saying yes, when i say my best friend in code it means my husband. >> exactly. she's confirmed what everyone has feared and this really is much bigger than just a spouse confiding in her spouse. it goes to the deep structural flaws of the current supreme

court. they are incapable of policing themselves. they're living in a bubble and they want to demand that nobody scrutinize them whatsoever. really, the breath of her commitment to installing trump believing there is fraud even when she admits in other places and transcript there is no evidence of that, it really indicates justice thomas should recuse himself from anything to do with the trump administration, any issues because his wife is so committed to trump being in power no matter what the facts are. >> margaret, speaking of which, yes, committed to her hunch, i suppose, without the facts or the evidence and she admits to that so here is another exchange and this is between congressman raskin and ginni thomas. she says i can't say i was familiar at that time with any specific evidence of voter fraud. i was just hearing it from news reports and friends on the ground, grass roots activist

inside various polling places that found things suspicious and jamie raskin says what are the episodes of fraud that still concern you in the wake of 60 federal and state and court decisions rejecting al glegatio of fraud and irregularity. she says there is people moving around identifying ways there were -- well, we'll see, we'll see what happens. i don't know specific instances. there it is right there. she doesn't know any specific instances. that didn't stop her. >> alyson, if you go back in contemporaneously look what she was saying in the texts to meadows, putting pressure on him to do something, expressing frustration with mike pence and then you they're just so different. she was so -- remember she was very much leaning into the election conspiracy theories.

and i think to shan's point, you know, when she's asked about this what she was talking to her best friend about she says she doesn't recall specifics, that basically his role with her would be to give her spousal support. in other words, comfort her when she was upset about things, but insisting she never spoke about details with her husband, that she never mentioned to him that she was texting the president's then chief of staff is just incredibly hard to believe that there would be such a firm firewall in place and yet she couldn't recall details about it. so i think because there has been building pressure on thomas to recuse himself in future decisions, on the other justices to try to force a recusal or make a decision themselves, it just -- it seems what she was trying to get out of this committee process was a little

bit of space, a little bit of room for a reset. it's just all very damaging now it's sort of laid out, i think, in the record. >> yeah. margaret, shan, thank you both very much. next we're going to go into the archives of barbara walters. what she's's said in her amazin career. we don't t like to say perfect, but it's pretty perfect.. booking.com, booking.yeah. the first time your sales reached 100k was also the first time you hit this note... ( screams in joy) save 20% with the lowest tranction fees and keep more of whayou make. with a partner that always puts you first. godaddy. tools and support for every small siness first.

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breaking news tonight, the death of a television news legend. barbara walters gone at the age of 93. next we go into the archives, a special encore presentation of larry king live with barbara walters. we'll be right back.

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