more now on our breaking news, an icon in american tv news has died. barbara walters, news anchor, reporter and talk show host was 93 years old. she always acknowledged she did have a legacy, but she pointed out it was more than just her interviews with all those famous people. cnn's richard roth looks back on her trailblazing career.

>> reporter: barbara walters was one of the most fascinating people of any year in the television era. >> i know i've done important interviews. i know that i have been a part of history. >> was she ever? >> are you sorry you didn't burn the tapes? >> yes, i think so because they were private conversations. >> we read you are mad. >> from murderers. >> why did you kill john lennon. >> to movie stores. >> are you a changed man since the illness? did it effect you very much? did you mind being thought of as sex, sex, sex? >> i think that what is important is to have curiosity. follow that cure iosity. i'm a great believer in homework. >> before people revealed all on social media, barbara walters was the interviewer to open up the stars. >> does he hit you? >> he shakes, he pushes, he swings. >> i hope they think i'm fair and i can be penetrating without

being a killer and i am, i hope. >> and which interview was her most important? >> the first and at that time the only interview. >> you are always like this? [ laughter ] >> she said her 1977 interview with cuba's fidel castro was a news coup. >> a man who runs a country, a man who allows no dissent. >> castro didn't make it easy. >> blowing a cigar he smokes in my face for three and a half hours. i didn't mind it. it was a different time. >> about 74 million people the most viewers for a news program tuned in to see monica lewinsky the white house intern involved with president clinton. >> what will you tell your children when you have them? >> mommy made a big mistake. >> she got a reputation for making her interview guests cry.

>> never got to know -- [crying] >> and you won't feel so big. >> after catherine hepburn said she felt like an old tree, walters was cut down by critics for asking this. >> what kind of a tree are you? >> it didn't take long for walters to become part of pop culture. the same network that made fun of her was where she got her big break, nbc's "today" show. >> i was not a television set. i kicked the door open because after being there 11 years i was named the first co-host of a morning program. >> she was not permitted by her co-host to ask a question until he posed three. >> harry, barbara walters. >> it got worse when walters to the surprise of many was named the first female co-anchor of a network evening newscast. >> i spent time on your stories and mine tonight.

you owe me four minutes. >> she later described it as drowning without a life preserver. >> the barbara walters special. >> the specials saved my life. >> good evening, i'm barbara walters. >> and launched a legendary career at abc capped by creating and co-hosting "the view." >> when did you first learn about sex? >> i didn't learn about sex until i started to do this show and now i know more about sex than i ever wanted to know. the chemistry of it and the fact that it's live, that it's outrageous, that you never know what you're going to hear. >> when she left "the view" and abc" they named a building in her honor, a lasting monument for a woman who changed tv. >> i'm so proud of the women today. there are so many of them that are wonderful. that's my legacy. >> as richard just mentioned, barbara walters' most watched interview was in march of 1999 with monica lewinsky. here's a little more. 74 million people tuned in. >> you showed the president of

the united states your thong underwear. where did you get the nerve? i mean, who does that? >> so i blurted out, you know, i have a crush on you. >> he kissed you? >> yes. >> what did you think? >> he's a good kisser. >> did you ever tell bill clinton you're in love with him? >> yes. >> what did he say? >> he said that means a lot to me. >> did he ever tell you he was in love with you? >> no. >> those are some good questions right there. 74 million people tuned in to see that. tributes for barbara walters are pouring in tonight. joan london tweeting quote we lost a true legend with the pasting of barbara walters, such a trailblazer, such a generous woman. i learned so much from working with her. her 2020 colleague debra roberts says quote what an honor to share the set with the amenable trailblazer when i

joined abc "20/20." we'll never forget the phone call when she asked me to join the groundbreaking program. and her "view" co-host michelle collins said a right of passage to become a co-host on "the view" is have lunch with barbara walters. few times in my life have i been that nervous. she was an absolute trailblazer, class, elegance, smarts that are increasingly hard to come by. i'll always be grateful. and this -- without barbara walters there wouldn't have been me nor any woman you see on evening, morning or daily news. she was indeed a trailblazer. i did my very first television audition with her in mind the whole time. grateful she was such a powerful and gracious role model, grateful to have known her and grateful to have followed in her light. and the one and only connie chong joins me now. she worked with barbara walters

at abc news. connie, great to have you on tonight. tell us your thoughts as you hear this sad news about barbara walters. >> alyson, i can't imagine journalism without barbara. barbara was one of a hand full of women who was in a news business at the time i started but beyond that, she blazed a trail for the men, too. in other words, the men were sitting back there not aggressively going after interviews, one on one interviews and they were not picking up the phone, frankly. she did everything she could to get an interview. >> she was emphaticable. i met her in 1969 first when i was working at a local station in washington d.c. and she was just -- she was bigger than life. she met me at her limousine at the southwest gate of the white

house because i wanted to interview her and i hopped in the limo and i sat there in the back with her, and she had an assistant sitting in the front and she was giving instructions on what to do about this and what to do about that. and i thought, oh, my god, this is like a kathryn hepburn movie saying so definitively, this is what i need to do and i thought, oh, gosh, if i ever get to there, you know, how will i be? well, that was the first time but then we had a long relationship. because there were times when i was competing against her for interviews. >> what was that like, connie? competing against barbara walters for the get. what was that like?

>> oh, my god. i thought i was against mount rushmore. i thought i'd never get this. when i did, i did a few times, she'd write me a note. i can just see her. she would wear -- she had this stationary that was blue, sometimes it was white with a blue lettering but it had her -- her handwriting was kind of slanted. not schoolteacher handwriting. it was -- and every time she would write me a note, it was heart felt. i mean, it really was so sincere i thought oh my gosh, this is how she gets people into her close confidence and i could tell when i realized that i was doing everything barbara walters said, i tried to, it started out learning three big things, alsyson one is that her parents, her father had a nightclub that

collapsed and so basically, she was supporting her family, her father, her mother and her sister, disabled sister and then my father retired and i was supporting my parents and it was -- we had a bond because on that because she and i both understood the fact that we needed jobs and we had to put up with the sexism and -- >> yes. and i wanted to ask you about that, connie because this was no easy feat for her to blaze this trail obviously because -- we just played this moment where they didn't -- nobody welcomed her with open arms.

her male co-hosts were not happy she was there and let it be known and she stayed anyway. >> my gosh, oh, yeah. >> and that's not an easy road every day to show up and feel that way and her tenacity allowed her to stay and one more thing, connie, i think you can relate to because i think all female journalists in the '70s and '80s felt this way everything she gave up. she had to make so many personal sacrifices. >> yes, well, we both forgot to have a baby. so she adopted and a baby and then i adopted a baby. >> you really do follow in her footsteps. you're not kidding. >> here is one more, when she was named the first female co-anchor of an evening news broadcast 20 years later, i became the second female to be named to an evening news broadcast, first at cbs but the second after barbara walters. and when i was stumped after two years, she was stumped after two years.

>> my gosh. >> she was the only one who could really console me. she called me i know what you're feeling because we were both working with people who didn't want us sitting next to them. >> wow, yeah. you have so many parallels, connie. what do you think it was about -- with barbara on the air -- we showed a few clips there of people she was interviewing, celebrities. and, you know, her signature move -- i don't know if it was intentional, but she always ended up making people cry to the point where people would start the interview by saying and i'm not going to cry, barbara, you're not going to get me to cry and then they cry. what was her secret sauce for making people connect on such an emotional level? >> i think she just -- she provided an intimate setting. they didn't realize she was drawing them out. it was almost like i used to try to play shrink with people and i think that's what barbara was

doing. she was getting them to reveal their innermost thoughts. and before they knew it they were confiding in her. she was a very personable woman and i found one time i was at -- my husband and i went to the opening of a hotel, actually, in las vegas and we both -- barbara and i got our nails done at the same time. and there she was -- she loved gossip, so we sat down getting our nails done and gossiping. it was the best time i've had in a long time. >> oh, i would love to have a gossip session with barbara walters and you for that matter. i can only imagine all the secrets and juicy stuff that she knew. >> oh, yeah. she knew it all. and she was not shy about sharing it with a girlfriend. >> oh, my gosh.

well, connie, that's great. thank you so much for sharing this. you really bring back what were often the glory -- i mean, i don't know if barbara walters would call them the glory days because she was having to elbow her way to the top but the era of, you know, limousines and assistants and all that. she in 93 years, i thought about this, the ark of her life and her career and what she saw in journalism, i mean, is truly jaw dropping to go from the traditional reporter pounding the pavement to creating "the view" what was ground breaking in its format at that time. she really saw and did it all. >> you know what? she was a great producer. she had started a program back at nbc called "not for women only." and it was very much like "the view," but the network didn't actually really support it in many ways.

but it was not for women only, but it was for women. and then later on she revised it in many ways by creating "the view." it was her concept and idea. when i worked with her at "20/20/"she was originally in a writer on the "today" show. when i worked with her at "20/20" we would sit at these meetings and i would watch her say, no, this is what we should say and she would be scribbling on a piece of paper. and i knew what she was doing. she was creating a story line and sort of basically saying this is what i'm going to say and i want -- you know, i want all of you to get together with this idea. >> that's interesting, connie because obviously at her heart she's a storyteller. she was a storyteller, and i

think that's another reason that people so connected with her. connie, i'm going to let you go because speaking of "the view," we're also joined by leasha ling who of course was a co-host on "the view." thank you for joining us. it was great to talk to you tonight and hear your remembrances of barbara. but, now i want to get to lisa. >> i mean, i just found your conversation with connie one of my other idols talking about barbara just so moving. i mean we're talking about two women who have truly been the ultimate pioneers in our industry, and literally as connie talked about sometimes competing for the same -- the same interview. and you really had to do it at the time because there were so few women at that level in the business, but yet there was this profound mutual respect and a

doration of each other that i will never tire of listening to. and, you know, one of the things that i was really able to experience working with barbara at "the view" was "the view" gave her a different kind of a platform. for so many years she was known as the woman who could secure the interview with just about anyone whether it was fidel castro or gaddafi or monica lewinsky but "the view" really allowed her to tell stories of her life, to just be -- tell stories as an ordinary human being and not as the celebrity interviewer and she really relished that and loved being able to just speak freely and give her opinions and talk so

openly what she was experiencing in her life. >> that's interesting because obviously, that's so different than how she was trained. obviously as a journalist, you're not supposed to share your opinions. she was trained in that old school of thought and i saw that clip and maybe you saw it now, too, of "the view," where it can get spicy and there is sex talk and girl talk and barbara seemed to be blushing basically when it would veer in that direction. >> alyson, she loved it. she absolutely loved it. i was listening to connie talk about how she loved to gossip. i was in my mid-20s, but i will never forget the stories. she loved to know everything about everyone, and i think she really enjoyed just having the freedom on "the view" to be able to talk about things that, you

know, in her career as a journalist she would have never been able to talk about. and so that really was a really beautiful platform for her. >> and you talked about how you were in your 20s when you went to "the view." you were not a tv professional. did she coach you? >> i mean, she coached everyone. she was constantly advising people, not so much what to say because when we were out there, it was a free for all but she definitely, you know, was never shy about sharing her two cents about so many things we were talking about. but she was such a champion and connie talking about the notes and when i left "the view," i received a note from her on the blue stationary with that slanted handwriting that donnie was referring to that said i'm watching you and i'm proud of

you and she was someone that was always sending the note and wanted people to know that she was watching them and supporting them. >> that's so generous. that is so generous and she didn't have to do that. you know, she was barbara walters, but that's really gracious. and one of the things i'm struck by listening to you a lot of the women coming up in the '60s and '70s and '80s felt like they had to act like men to emulate men and that meant being more aggressive and sometimes meant being a bit more meaner. i think some women thought that. but it sounds like she didn't do that. she was supportive of female colleagues and young women coming up in the business and it's nice to hear your experience. >> yeah, i mean i worked with her toward the end of her television career, and she certainly was nothing but supportive with me.

but, i mean, alisyn, she did have to fight. she was so demeaned and she would tell us stories about the things that harry would say and do to her, and i think that it really compelled her to feel like she had to push harder and fight harder as well. and, again, i don't know that we would be doing what we're doing if it weren't for the likes of barbara walters and connie chung who engaged in the battles for us so we wouldn't have to fight the same battles and they were hard. connie talked about how she and both barbara adopted their children because they missed that opportunity. they had to make so many sacrifices to work at the highest levels in broadcast journalism and i think that there are a lot of regrets that

come along with it. having said that, i know that there is no one, there was no one, no one more important to her. she loved no one more than her daughter jackie. i mean, her adoration of her daughter and the things she would do for her daughter, and the regrets she had about not spending more time with her daughter when she was at the height of her career i think continued to impact her for a very long time. >> yeah, even though i know about that even though i didn't work with her. i agree. not only did she pave the way for us and our careers but we were able to have more of a balance in our lives because the women of connie chung and barbara wulters' generation told us not to give up what they had given up for this career -- >> yeah, and she was emphatic --

she would emphatic about telling me not to sacrifice for my personal career. i mean, she would say that to me so frequently. >> well, lisa, great to talk to you about all of this and to hear your memories of barbara walters and just what a loss it is for us but of course, she had a stellar career. so lisa, thank you very much for joining me tonight. >> thank you. >> i really appreciate talking to you. and coming up at the top of the hour at midnight from the cnn archives we're going to air a special encore episode of "larry king live" with barbara walters where she recounts her trailblazing career in broadcast news. her biggest headlining making interviews. so stick around for that. of course it is a busy news night here tonight. when we come back i want to turn the latest in the suspect of the killing of those four college students in idaho.

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new information tonight on the suspect in the murders of those four college students in idaho, stabbed to death in their beds last month. 28-year-old bryan kohberger was arrested this morning in pennsylvania and now faces four counts of first degree murder. a law enforcement source says he drove across country in a white hyundai elantra from idaho and arrived in pennsylvania at his parents' house around christmas all the while law enforcement was tracking his every step. we have more.

>> detectives arrested 28-year-old bryan christopher kohberger in allbrightsville, pennsylvania, on a warrant for murder -- >> reporter: the announcement idaho and much of the nation waited to hear, 47 days after the killing of four university of idaho students, a suspect is now in custody. kohberger was arrested in pennsylvania friday on four counts of first-degree murder. >> in addition to felony burglary which involves entering the residence with the intent to commit the crime of murder. >> reporter: any indication the suspect knew the victims? >> that's part of the investigation, as well. that won't be something that will come out at this point in time. >> reporter: police also won't release a motive, but law enforcement sources tell cnn police were led to him after tracing the ownership of a white hyundai elantra seen in the area the night of the killings. they learned kohberger left the moscow area and tracked to monroe county, pennsylvania, south of scranton.

sources say the fbi surveilled him for four days until the arrest was made at 1:30 a.m. on friday. his white hyundai was recovered those sources tell cnn and his dna was found at the crime scene. >> providing any details in the criminal investigation might have tainted the upcoming criminal prosecution or alerted the suspect of our progress. >> reporter: kohberger is currently a grad student majoring in criminology at washington state university less than ten miles west of the crime scene in moscow, idaho. police spent the day searching his campus apartment in washington. >> bryan kohberger. >> reporter: he graduated earlier in 2022 in pennsylvania. a reddit post made while a student there indicates he worked on how emotions and psychological traits influence decision making when committing a crime with an emphasis on your thoughts and feelings throughout your experience. back in moscow, the announcement is bringing the first signs of relief after weeks of fear. >> it's just been very scary not

knowing who is out there. >> reporter: and now? >> well, i feel much better. i feel relieved. so i'm very happy the police have done the work. >> reporter: alyson, undergraduate students at the university of idaho get back to campus in less than two weeks and authorities say they will continue to maintain a strong police presence in and around campus to make students feel safe. of course, though, here in this community an incredible sense of relief now that a suspect has been arrested. alyson? >> thank you very much. we have more on the suspect's background. next.

lots of new developments in the case of the idaho student murders tonight including how authorities identified and arrested the suspect. i want to bring in cnn security correspondent josh campbell, also former fbi senior intelligence officer phil mudd, former fbi special agent and criminologist casey jordan.

josh, am i right to assume basically all this came together in the past week once police got results from the dna test they had taken from the scene? >> that's right. it comes down to dna and law enforcement says this white hyundai elantra they had a be on the lookout alert for law enforcement sources to tell us they were able to match the suspect's dna with unknown dna found in idaho with a public dna database to match to a family member and started getting on to this suspect. and again, this vehicle which they were able to locate, he traveled across the country according to our sourcing from our colleague pam brown. and this morning, law enforcement there in pennsylvania particularly the pennsylvania state police put handcuffs on the suspect and the fbi was there as well. what happens next is we're waiting to see how the extradition will take place, whether he'll fight extradition. that's the what. we don't know why. we don't know the connection or whether he knew the victims. we hope court records will be

unsealed there in idaho. >> let's talk how the fbi tracked him from washington driving across the country to his parents' house in pennsylvania and sit on his house and surveil him for four days waiting for an arrest warrant. that can't be easy. we've all seen other cases where the suspect vanished during something like that. >> i've seen cases where we lost people with the fbi for awhile. think about the opportunities he has to make a move when he goes from west to east. that is every time he goes into a rest area, you've got to know where he is. this is a person who committed four murders. you have to know where he is at nighttime. you got to be able to see him on an open road, you don't want him to see somebody behind him for too long. that might be a helicopter of plane. if he gets into a dense area, that's urban, you have to have rotating teams on him so he doesn't identify anybody. i tell you, one of the important things about that tailing process is i think the right

choice by the police and the feds not to speak about this case. the individual appeared to be fairly comfortable not thinking people were on his tail. that helped a lot here i think, alyson. >> it is remarkable because they put the be on the lookout for the car on december 7th so he had three weeks to get rid of car and he didn't. i agree with you, phil, i guess them playing it close to the vest obviously did help. so casey, that brings me to you. the fact that we know that this suspect studied criminology and was soliciting information online from criminals in terms of how they planned their crimes and their feelings, let me read to you what he posted on reddit seeking information in particular this study seeks to understand the story behind your most recent criminal offense with an emphasis on your thoughts and feelings throughout your experience. what do you see here, casey? >> well, it's almost like he was studying. he has been described by fellow criminal justice students in his

program as one of those guys who is very -- stared a lot and with when he did speak he was overly academic and wanted to be an expert on everything. some of the questions in that survey he did as part of his master study this year about -- included questions about did you plan it before you left your home? what were you thinking and feeling? what did you do after the crime? it's almost as if he wanted to do research on violent crime by committing it himself, that he didn't trust self-reports of people who had been incarcerated, that he was surveying on reddit. it was almost as if he was challenging how can you be an expert on something you've never done. we have seen this. we've seen highly intelligent people, don't forget the unabomber had a ph.d. and ted bundy went to law school. sometimes there is a fine line

between people studying something to be part of it. it's almost like he went native. everything we've found out about him would fit the profile the fbi would have worked up on this culprit. >> bobby, your thoughts? >> well, we enter the new phase as josh and phil eluded to, we've been in this face following him and things like that. now we know who he is and come out in the open. you heard them ask if anybody knows anything about this guy. now we're going to see a much more public and overt investigation of this guy. we have what they need. the prosecutors would not have gone forward with charges if they weren't comfortable with what they have, but now we're going to see a much more overt investigation. they're seeking people to call in and tips i think they'll get a ton of tips overnight and the next couple days about him and his behavior before and after the crime. >> i might as well put up the tip line for anybody that knows anything about this suspect. the idaho police would like to hear from you, the moscow idaho police 208-883-7180. friends, thank you very much for all of your expertise.

okay, meanwhile, the january 6th transcripts keep coming, and this time we're learning more about how much supreme court justice clarence thomas knew about his wife's texts to trump's chief of staff. that's next. at the top of the hour we have a special encore episode of "larry king live" with barbara walters. she talks about her career, her interviews, her life all in her own words. that's coming up at midnight.

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transcripts from the january 6th committee includes the testimony of ginni thomas, the wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas. in the days after the insurrection she was texting with then trump white house chief of staff mark meadows. and while donald trump and his supporters urged the supreme court to consider throwing out millions of votes in battleground states. mrs. thomas denied putting any pressure on her husband. she told the committee i can guarantee my husband has never spoken to me about pending cases in the court. it's an ironclad rule in our house. he's uninterested in politics and i generally don't discuss my day to day work in politics. i did not discuss at all my day to day work in politics.

but some of the transcripts suggest that might not be true. let's bring in former federal prosecutor and cnn political analyst and managing editor margaret. margaret, let's recap and remember the text exchange between ginni thomas and mark meadows in which she sort of uses code and refers to someone as her best friend and i remember there being speculation for weeks about was she referring to justice thomas? so here it is. she says mark meadows says to her, okay, after the election this is a fight of good versus evil, evil always looks like the victor until the king of kings triumphs. do not grow weary in well doing. the fight continues. i've staked my career on it, at least my time in d.c. on it. ginni thomas responds thank you, exclamation point, needed that, this plus a conversation with my best friend just now. i'll try to keep holding on, america is worth it. so people wondered if that meant clarence thomas and here is what she said to the panel. she said they asked her about that text and if she was calling her husband her best friend. she said mark meadows is a friend of mine and my best friend that i talk about is often my husband.

so now we know she did talk to him on that day. we don't know exactly about what but what does that suggest? oh. hold on, margaret. we have to fix your audio. hold on a second. okay. hold that thought. we're going to fix that. shan, i'll come to you first. this doesn't look good. i mean it doesn't look good for justice clarence thomas that i mean this is what people feared. and here she's saying, yes, when i say my best friend in code it means my husband. >> exactly, she's confirmed what everyone had feared, and this really is much bigger than a spouse confiding in her spouse. it goes to the deep structural flaws of the current supreme court. they are incapable of policing themselves. they're living in a bubble and they want to demand that nobody scrutinize them whatsoever.

really, the breadth of her commitment to installing trump believing there is fraud even when she admits in other places and transcript there is no evidence of that, it really indicates justice thomas should recuse himself from anything to do with the trump administration, any issues because his wife is so committed to trump being in power no matter what the facts are. >> margaret, speaking of which, yes, committed to her hunch, i suppose, without the facts or the evidence and she admits to that, so here is another exchange and this is between congressman raskin and ginni thomas. she says i can't say i was familiar at that time with any specific evidence of voter fraud. i was just hearing it from news reports and friends on the ground, grass roots activist inside various polling places that found things suspicious, and jamie raskin says what are the episodes of fraud that still concern you in the wake of 60

federal and state and court decisions rejecting allegations of fraud and irregularity. she says there seems to be a lot of people moving around identifying ways there were -- well, we'll see. we'll see what happens. i don't know specific instances. i mean, there it is right there. she doesn't know any specific instances. that didn't stop her. >> alyson, if you go back and contemporaneously look what she was saying in the texts to meadows, putting pressure on him to do something, expressing frustration with mike pence and then you juxtapose with what she actually told the committee, remember she didn't want to talk to the committee. she was very much leaning into the election conspiracy theories. and i think to shan's point when

she's asked about what was she talking to her best friend about she says she doesn't recall specifics, that basically his role with her would be to give her spousal support, in other words comfort her when she was upset about things but insisted she never spoke about details with her husband, that she never mentioned to him she was texting the president's then-chief of staff is just incredibly hard to believe that there would be such a firm firewall in place and yet she couldn't recall details about it. and so i think because there has been building pressure on thomas to recuse himself in future decisions, on the other justices to try to force a recusal or make a decision themselves, it just -- it seems like what she was trying to get out of this committee process was a little bit of -- of space, a little bit of room for a reset. it's just all very damaging now that it's sort of laid out, i think, in the record. >> margaret, shan, thank you

both very much. great to talk to you tonight. next, we're going to go into the archives for barbara walters. what she said about her own amazing career.

breaking news tonight, the death of a television news legend. barbara walters gone at the age of 93. next we go into the archives, a special encore presentation of "larry king live" with barbara walters. we'll be right back.

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thank you very much for joining us tonight. and the breaking news, barbara walters, an american television icon, has died at the age of 93. i could tell you more about her amazing legacy and her groundbreaking interviews, but instead that honor belongs to the legend herself. from the cnn archives, here's barbara walters in her own words

in a special encore presentation of "larry king live." ♪ tonight, the one and only barbara walters is here for her 20th and final visit to this show. she'll tell us how she bounced back from heart surgery never missing a beat and how she stayed at the top of the broadcast news business for five decades. tv icon barbara walters of the hour is next on "larry king live." >> good evening, barbara walters. if i have to tell you this, then you're on another planet. she's the co-host of "the view,"

by the way their 3,000th episode is this week. she hosts "here's barbara" on sirius radio. >> and i have three specials coming up, hour specials for abc news. >> i thought you were dropping that? >> no, i didn't drop it and they didn't drop me. >> you just dropped the academy award. >> yeah. we're doing two other big specials, one on open heart surgery and one with somebody else i can't announce yet. >> we're going to do four specials. >> you always did -- whatever i did -- i just want to say when you say it's the last time i'm going to be on with you, oh, gee, we've had so many good times together. but you've been on, what, 25 years? >> 25 1/2. >> so why did i miss those five years? what's wrong? five years -- >> we were nothing then. you came on when we were a hit. by the way, the open -- did you have open heart surgery? that's a misnomer in a sense,

isn't it? it's open chest. >> yeah, it's open chest. they don't open your heart. >> you had a valve. >> i had a valve replacement. >> how did you know those -- >> i didn't really. i didn't have the symptoms. one of the things without going through every detail -- one of the things i hope by doing this special that i've talked about women have different symptoms than men. did you know that? >> i know they have a lot of heart disease, though. >> they don't get treated in the same way. men they talk about a pain in the arm and women have other things. women have fatigue, women have sweats. i had almost no symptoms. i'd gone to the doctor and had an echo cardio gram. i have no symptoms and then i walk up. there's a fountain in new york in central park called the bethesda fountain. i walk to work almost every day with two people i'm very