know, no one really believed in them and they opened at a 13-point under dog to georgia. that's huge. that's bulletin board material. i don't know if they have what it takes to beat georgia, but i mean, i said that on another show yesterday. i picked georgia. i picked georgia. i didn't think ohio state had what it took. i would love to see tcu win their first -- end their first national title game. i'm going to go with georgia because it's the safer pick. it feels like smart will do a lot of great adjustments heading into the game so we're going to have to wait and see. i think it will be a great game and i can't wait. >> and georgia and tcu will face-off next monday in los angeles. thank you for joining us this evening. i'm pamela brown. i'll see you again next weekend. "the seventies" is next.

it's probably the most important cultural event in the history of america. and a whole new generation of freaks. >> what guys seem to get off on. they like these high-energy sort of events. >> sight and sound and soul are your pleasure, you can bet your bottom dollar we got them, baby. >> unless you've been living in a sealed cave, you probably noticed that america's latest craze is disco dancing. >> this is punk rock, and its purpose is to promote violence, sex and destruction in that order. >> rock and roll is pure stamina! ♪ ♪ ♪

♪ ♪ rock singer jimi hendrix died today in london from an overdose of drugs. >> janice joplin was found dead last night. the cause of death was said to be an overdose of drugs. >> jim morrison, the lead singer for the doors, a rock music group, is dead. he was 27. >> the early years of the '70s in music was sad because you lose people and you lose the beatles.

>> this small gathering is only the beginning. the event is so momentous that historians may one day view it as a landmark in the decline of the british empire. the beatles are breaking up. >> it was like a death for a lot of people. rock and roll as we understood in the 1960s was no longer with us. >> there will never be another beatles, never. ♪ >> i wonder what i'm doing here with no drummers or nothing like that. you might know i lost my old band, or i left it. ♪ imagine there's no heaven it's easy if you try ♪ >> for so long you waited for the next beatles album to see where music was going. and we just hoped the music they came up with individually would be that good. >> i don't no longer have, oh, the beatles need an album. you and paul better go write 20 songs tomorrow kind of thing.

i just write when i feel like it. ♪ imagine all the people ♪ >> yoko, you have been called the dragon lady who took the beatles apart. >> please give her credit for all the nice music that george made and ringo made and paul made and i've made since we broke up. she did it. >> the fact is that yoko ono did not break up the beatles. time broke up the beatles, money broke up the beatles. business broke up the beatles. the desire to go off and do their own stuff broke up the beatles. >> he's a fleshier and heavier beatle these days, respectfully married. when the kids come to his concerts, they don't scream any more, they listen. >> the significant thing is both john lennon and paul mccartney made music in their own particular ways that was focused on the fact they were deeply in love with a woman. ♪ but i'm not the only one ♪ >> mccartney went home and made the record where he plays all

the instruments on his own. this kind of cozy domesticity, beautiful, wonderful, warm music. >> it's going to look roughly like this. this is our first showing of it. >> this is just the mock-up, folks. >> the new album. >> it's going to be called "ringo's reviewer." >> i sell records. it doesn't matter if they've got the beatles or not. if they don't like the record they won't buy it. >> ringo, who to this day people dismiss way too much, has tremendous success in the '70s. and george harrison, who had been stockpiling these amazing songs, explodes like a supernova on an album called "all things must pass." maybe the greatest beatles solo album of all.

♪ you don't need no passport ♪ ♪ you don't need no visas ♪ >> over the years i had such a lot of stockpile of songs i wanted to do. but i only got a quota of one or two tunes per album. >> were you held down by the other fellows? >> well very subtly, yes. ♪ >> i would just like to thank you all for coming here. as you all know, it's a special benefit concert. ♪ >> ravi shankhar went to george harrison and said a terrible thing is happening in bangladesh what can we do? that created the first major superstar benefit concert ever done. >> the concert for bangladesh was the grandaddy of all issue-themed concerts. not only did you get george harrison, you got eric clapton. >> it got dylan out of hiding. it put two beatles on the stage again. it was unparalleled at the time and may still be unparalleled. ♪ >> a great deal of music of the '70s was people who had succeeded in the '60s, finding new ways to express themselves in the '70s. >> have you any idea why your

group particularly has lasted as long as it had? >> because we stay together i suppose. >> for a few years, the rolling stones had taken a lot of casualties. >> even brian felt he wasn't going to be around that long. not everybody makes it. >> they were fighting for like where do we secure our foothold now? ♪ >> 1971, the rolling stones leave their home for tax purposes to go live in france. and record this record, "exile on main street." in a very hot, uncomfortable, muddy sounding studio. ♪ baby, i can't stay yu got to roll me ♪ ♪ and call me the tumbling dice ♪

>> that record is the embodiment of a band making masterpieces on a daily basis. and i remember reading the review saying this is like a debauched album. i didn't know what debauched means but i got to get me some of this debauchery stuff. ♪ baby, i can't stay ♪ ♪ you got to roll me and call me the tumbling ♪ ♪ roll me and call me the tumbling dice ♪ >> having come out of the '60s which was its own animal. the '70s had to show a new skin. it had to shed the old one. ♪ ♪ ooh, yeah ♪ >> i was never very confident of my voice as a singer. i thought rather than just sing, which would probably bore the pants off everybody, i would like to kind of portray the songs. >> david bowie has always been a game-changer. he has taken the promise of rock

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this year i took some time off from touring and went off on some adventures of my own. and this is kind of a -- a letter back home. ♪ ♪ ooh, california, oh, california, i'm coming home ♪ ♪ oh, make me feel good rock 'n' roll band i'm your biggest fan california, i'm coming home ♪ >> you look to the horizon that you want to move toward. and that horizon was here in l.a. >> that's where the record companies were. and there's lots of sun. >> the way i got to california was just really simple.

i got there in a '57 chevy by skipping my finals that year in college. >> virtually nobody was from southern california. they're all drawn to the light. and the light is the troubadour club. >> things happened gradually until we played the troubadour club in los angeles. it holds 250 people. happened on the first night. >> every great songwriter, came through the troubadour, jackson brown, j.d., henley and frey, linda ronstadt, joni mitchell, james taylor. >> the big sea change was people writing their own songs and expressing themselves. >> is it difficult to reveal it constantly to so many people? why do you do this? >> i feel an obligation to myself and to people to try and share myself.

maybe as honestly as i can. ♪ i left my folk and friends with the aim to clear my mind out ♪ ♪ well i hit the rowdy road and many kinds i met there ♪ ♪ many stories told me all the ways to get there ♪ ♪ ooh ♪ ♪ so on and on i go ♪ ♪ the seconds tick the time out there's so much left to know ♪ ♪ while i'm on the road to find out ♪ >> everyone was just trying to do whatever came into their head. >> in the early days paul and i we wanted to be the king of england from england. they were very big those days. >> we had no idea who the people were, the mysterious mr. king was. who had written all these songs, chains the beatles did, i'm into something good, which is part of the british invasion. we did discover this remarkable woman, carole king. >> carole king made the transition from being behind-the-scenes woman to a star in her own right. ♪ i feel the earth move under my feet, i feel the sky tumbling down ♪ ♪ i feel my heart start to

tremble whenever you're around ♪ >> carole king is the embodiment of what happens. because in the '60s she is trying to write hit songs for other people. then in the '70s with "tapestry" it's the definition of an album of self-expression. let me go into my house in laurel canyon and tell you about my life. >> after church you always went out for pancakes. if you were lucky enough to ride in one of the girl's cars, you know what you are listening to? "tapestry." ♪ >> there were a lot of very important women who were some of the most significant writers and contributors to music at the time. >> we are going to do a song written by my friend, john david sausser, who is my favorite california songwriter and one of my favorite singers. it's called "faithless love."

>> she was in many ways my greatest collaborator. i became a professional song writer because of the best voice of my generation was doing my songs. ♪ faithless love ♪ ♪ like a river flows ♪ ♪ raindrops falling ♪ ♪ on a broken rose ♪ >> for my money, linda is still underrated just for sheer singing power and style and emotion. ♪ and the night blows in like a cold dark wind ♪ ♪ faithless love, like a river flows ♪ >> there have been articles and things that identify me with the

l.a. sound, me and jackson browne and the eagles. we need some new blood in this town. we're starting to get stale. ♪ ♪ she rings like a bell through the night ♪ ♪ but you love to love her ♪ >> the original fleetwood mac was a four-piece full-on blues band. >> they were an english band that became a dual citizenship band. they were as american as they were british. ♪ ever know taken by the wind ♪ >> we had an album out, two years to joining fleetwood mac years previous called "buckingham nicks." nick really liked the music. they asked us to join. ♪

>> fleetwood mac, first, stevie and lindsey album for sure changed our lives. we had arrived. ♪ freedom ♪ >> describe being rich and famous in california. >> this is it, kid. ♪ freedom ♪ ♪ freedom ♪ ♪ forever ♪ ♪ ever ♪ ♪ >> hit records sometimes bore an audience. they're not going to have another hit. or this one isn't as good as that. >> record companies, like frothing at the mouth, the

imaging of the band was becoming a whole thing. so we were getting ready to make "rumors," with everyone falling apart. ♪ if loving you isn't the right to do ♪ ♪ how can i ever change things that i feel ♪ >> the band is five people, five very independent, quite strong minded, quite stubborn individuals. ♪ if i could, baby, i'd give you my world ♪ >> two lovely couples, john and chris married. their marriage was on the rocks. and stevie and lindsey might as well have been married. that all was falling apart. ♪ you can go your own way ♪ ♪ go your own way ♪ ♪ you can call it another lonely day ♪ >> we were testifying. and "rumors" became the church. ♪ [ cheers and applause ] ♪ ooh-ooh let me tell you now ♪ i went on their website, uploaded everything, and i was blown away by what they could do. getrefunds.com has helped businesses get over a billion dollars and we can help your business too.

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♪ ooh-ooh let me tell you now ♪ we were shocked. because not only were they incredibly talented but they looked like us. ♪ when i had you to myself i didn't want you around ♪ ♪ those pretty faces always seem to stand out in a crowd ♪ >> how long you been singing? >> three years. >> see you went to grab it right away. snatch it right out of my hand. >> michael was precocious. he knew he was cute. you would watch him go from that to commanding a stage in front

of 15,000 people. amazing. ♪ ooh, baby give me one more chance ♪ ♪ show you that i love you one, won't you please let me ♪ ♪ back to you heart ♪ ♪ oh, darling i was trying to let you go ♪ ♪ not since i don't need you anymore ♪ >> the only american group to have four-consecutive number one records. ♪ oh, oh, oh ♪ ♪ i want you back ♪ >> for the first time young black kids had their beatles. >> hey, man. >> what has five handses? >> ten legs. >> and 11 alphabet letters. >> you don't know? the jackson five. >> that's us. >> and that's no jive. >> the jacksons were the last act from the classic motown hitsville system.

>> motown was a very unique place. a lot of record companies were being run by businessmen. berry gordy was a music man at the helm. berry gordy was a songwriter. he said i'm going to make music for the world. >> ironically, here he was trying his best to make black music that would cross over to the white world. ended up making the greatest black music ever. >> he created a machine, where you take the artist, polish them up. and make them a great package, they can play the "ed sullivan show" and kill. >> back in the '60s, marvin gaye wanted to be frank sinatra. >> he was svelte, clean-shaven, debonair and all that changed in the '70s. >> marvin wanted to compete at a high level. why can't i make a record like the beatles? i'm selling records like they sell. why can't i have that artistic expression? ♪ punish me with brutality talk to me ♪ ♪ when you can see what's going on ♪ ♪ what's going on yeah, what's going on ♪

♪ tell me what's going on ♪ ♪ ooh ♪ >> marvin gaye was affected by the vietnam war. his brother was in vietnam. so he's hearing all these stories about what is going on over there. he's seeing the protests here and it's changing him. >> he holds up a mirror to america, look at yourself, america. >> he is talking about the war, he's talking about poverty. changing as an artist in a way that berry gordy is not super happy about. ♪ mother, mother, everybody thinks we're wrong, they do ♪ >> initially berry gordy did not not want marvin to do "what's going on." >> motown was supposed to be nonthreatening and you have marvin gaye making a protest record about the war. that could potentially ruin good money. you don't lightly talk about the government. ♪ yes, i want to know what's going on right now ♪ >> ultimately when he agrees to put out "what's going on," berry tells marvin, okay, if you're right, i'll learn something.

and if i'm right, you'll learn something. and of course, as barry will say, i learned something. >> every artist at motown was suddenly also wanting to try their chance at freedom. >> when people say soul, they put you in one category. they say, he is a soul artist. that's all they expect for you to sing. that's all they want you to sing. that's not true. soul is being able to express yourself. stevie wonder went to berry gordy and he negotiated his creative freedom and he used every bit of it. ♪ very superstitious writings on the wall ♪ >> stevie wonder making some of the greatest records anyone has ever made in popular music in america, back to back to back. ♪ letter's about to fall ♪ >> it's the equivalent of shooting a perfect shot from half court with your eyes closed.

music in my mind. he made it. he ain't going to do it again. ♪ talking book." oh, my god he did it! and then suddenly, "songs in the key of life." ♪ when you believe in things you don't understand ♪ ♪ and you suffer superstition is the way ♪ >> what the beatles did in the '60s i feel stevie wonder was the person to do that for music in the '70s. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> hi, there. welcome aboard. you are right on time for a beautiful trip on "the soul train." if the sight and sound of soul is your pleasure, you bet your bottom, we got them, baby. >> "soul train" finally offered america its first view of afrocentricity. it was a new idea to say black

is beautiful. >> i would run home from church to get home to see "soul train." it was the one reliable place to see the artists you loved. >> there's no question that "soul train" broke a lot of artists and introduced a lot of artists to audiences they never performed for before. ♪ she's a dynamite attraction ♪ >> ten years before he did the moonwalk, michael jackson debuted the robot in 1973 on "soul train." >> people had done the robot before. but there was a way that it was faster. it was sharper. and it was street. ♪ i could just see his afro bouncing and there was so much precision to it. ♪ dancing, dancing, dancing ♪ ♪ she's a dancing machine ♪ ♪ oh, baby ♪

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rock, the music that infuriated so many people in the '50s and '60s. the music that so many thought too loud, vulgar and somehow dangerous to our morals. rock has not only refused to go away. it's become an institution. ♪ >> heart was a big deal because in the decade that was dominated by a type of rock 'n roll that rhymes with rock and begins with a "c," but i won't go on further, they were willing to play with those guys and succeed on their terms. >> the stuff from the '60s,

that's way too hippie. now we have to up it a notch. ♪ >> the audience had come to expect a better standard of performance. a better quality of lighting and sound and staging. they have come to expect a show. ♪ we still have time and i still might get by ♪ ♪ every time i think about it i want to cry ♪ >> the '70s the groups started to become more theatrical. they realized just giving them the music isn't enough. we got to give them something to look at. >> more naked people, more misbehavior, more over the top stuff going on. just -- just more. ♪ oh ♪ ♪ no time ♪ >> playing stadiums was too

unreal. it would just be a sea of faces into infinity. ♪ with your sweet bag of lies ♪ ♪ crazy, crazy, crazy ♪ ♪ crazy on you ♪ the hall. >> in the '70s that distance between the performer on stage and that audience grew. >> if you went to any of the big arena rock shows, it was always about the star up here and the audience down here and this sort of iconography of the rock star as this huge figure. ♪ crazy, crazy on you ♪ >> it was bound to happen but it comes as a shock nevertheless. in a poll taken by a leading pop music magazine in england, the beatles came in second. the most popular rock group in england these days is called the led zeppelin .

>> in their 20s, they're rich, powerful, temperamental, and pampered. they are the led zeppelin, a rock group on tour, and in the vernacular of the record business, where big is nearly nothing, zeppelin is very big. to get around, zeppelin uses a chartered 707, the kind of plane president nixon uses. ♪ the president's plane doesn't have an organ nor 15-foot mirrored bar, nor in the private quarters does it have two bedrooms and a fireplace. >> i'm a bit upset it doesn't have a pool table onboard. apart from that, i think this is the best way to travel. >> americans are now spending $2

billion a year on music. that's $700 million more than the whole movie industry grosses from ticket sales in one year. about three-times the amount of money taken in by all spectator sports. >> i'm telling you rock 'n' roll basically is no different than ibm, xerox, sarah lee, chevrolet, supply and demand, it's the same business. >> rock 'n' roll had been a gritty novelty business. it was not the center of the world in the '50s and '60s. in the '70s it becomes the main event. that has repercussions in all sorts of positive and negative ways. >> the total cost of this tour is $3.5 million. now the gross of the tour is in the region of $11 million. so -- yeah, it's a living. >> it was so decadent and over the top and money just -- whoo -- being thrown against the wall. >> feel like a hypocrite, if you are consistently invoking the ideas of young people and bouncing off the ideas of young people, taking young people's

money and putting it in your pocket and really what you are is a middle-aged family man. it is only the hypocrisy that i'm worried about. >> bruce springsteen was trying to reclaim the soul of rock 'n' roll by going back to basics. >> using elements from the past that were kind of being discarded at that point. ♪ in the day you sweat out on the streets of a runaway american dream ♪ >> using a sound that was not on the radio. and not what was mainstream rock. ♪ chrome wheeled, fuel injected, and stepping out over the line, oh ♪ >> bruce springsteen created his own counterculture. it just speaks exactly to the american spirit. you couldn't hit it on the head

more than bruce springsteen did. ♪ baby, we were born to run ♪ ♪ yeah, yes we were ♪ >> "born to run" was a towering statement in the middle of the '70s. it was the cover of "time" and "newsweek." >> bruce didn't like it at the time. me, on the other hand, my friend's is on the cover of "newsweek." this is cool. ♪ >> when "born to run" comes out in 1975 it is the desire to escape the claustrophobia of the 1970s. it is an anthem to save your soul. ♪ ♪ after advil. feeling better? on top of the worlddddd!!! before advil.

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i was lucky enough to be invited to david mancuso's legendary space in soho called the loft. i thought that was one of the most utopian scenes i had ever encountered in music. >> mancuso is one of the guys who really took the art form of playing the records and how he curated the records. he might play isaac hayes' record, he might play a salsa record. it wasn't so much about a style as it was an an aesthetic of dancing. >> there all types of people here. people who dance, people who hop

up and down. you can get high. stay here all night. >> why are people dancing again? >> i wish i knew. but i'm glad it's happening. ♪ >> what we now know as disco really starts with a band called the trammps. the drummer, earl young, invents the idea of four on the floor with eight on the high hat. so everything is -- ♪ burn, baby, burn ♪ >> that's the sound of disco. ♪ burn, baby, burn ♪ ♪ burn, baby, burn ♪ >> i loved disco. i always loved dance music anyway. because whatever i did as a producer was always danceable.

the melody. >> georgio moroder working out of munich put together technology and soulful vocalist. donna summer being the ultimate embodiment. and they make some of the biggest record of all-time. ♪ ooh, love you love you, baby ooh, love to love you, baby ♪ >> "love to love you baby" was four minutes of singing. 14 minutes of -- a lot of not singing. ♪ oh, love to love you, baby ♪ ♪ oh, love to love you, baby ♪ >> i always wondered for the life of me was he just in the booth, more passion, more -- >> actually, i threw everybody out of the studio, switched the lights off, made sure that the tape is running and i said, okay, let's go ahead. and i think she did it in ten minutes. ♪ oh ♪ >> the donna summer records were some of the biggest records of

all-time. and they kicked off a revolution. ♪ ♪ i wanna do it till the sun comes up ♪ >> unless you have been living in a sealed cave, you probably noticed america's latest craze is disco dancing. that's dancin' without the "g." >> what's disco? >> snuffy, where have you been? ♪ i want to put on my, my, my, my boogie shoes and boogie with you ♪ >> the queen of the discos take in, what they generate with the records, we are talking about an estimated $4 billion -- that's with a "b" -- $4 billion a year. >> i remember really being upset about this word disco. it was r&b music to me. i felt like they stripped it and gave it a new name and weren't giving credit where i think the credit was supposed to go.

>> do it again. second half of the chorus but bring in the sound. that's great. one, two, three, four. ♪ tragedy ♪ >> the bee gees always liked r&b and always liked soul. i always thought they were a pop band that always had r&b leanings. >> the bee gees do what pop stars do. they really got the zeitgeist of what was going on. ♪ staying alive ♪ ♪ staying alive ♪ ♪ staying alive ♪ [ applause ] >> this is the scene outside a new york disco called studio 54. this is the place that's in with the disco crowd. >> i have been to goat ropings and space shots. i've been in a lot of strange places and seen a lot of strange things but nothing stranger than studio 54 at the height of its popularity in the '70s. ♪ >> it's where you come when you want to escape. it's really escapism. >> in the front door of that spot was insane. i sometimes would walk by to

watch the people not get in. because that was fun, too. >> oh, you are not shaved. there's no way you're going to get in. it doesn't matter. if you're not shaven, just go home. >> you had to be selected. you had to be chosen to get in. >> we can't let in everybody who wants to come in. i wish we could. ♪ oh, freak out ♪ ♪ le freak, c'est chic ♪ ♪ freak out ♪ >> the great chic, go to studio 54 to get in. and they don't. so they write a song. ♪ have you heard about the knew dance craze ♪ ♪ listen to us i'm sure you'll be amazed ♪ >> it was a diss to studio 54 for rejecting them. the part where they say "freak out" actually began as something else. ♪ freak out ♪ ♪ le freak, c'est chic ♪ >> it went from something off to freak off to being freak out. ♪ just come on down to the 54 ♪ ♪ find a spot out on the floor ♪

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detroit, 1969 is where punk is originally born. >> the mc5, the motor city 5 and iggy and the stooges release two pioneering albums that indicate that there's a new style of music coming back. it's a garage rock, it's minimalist, it's aggressive, it's loud and it's very often obnoxious. >> punk rock is so f-ing scary to us because, here we are with our big majestic songs, and here comes punk with their -- >> the ramones get started as a reaction to everything else that's going on. people see them and they go,

"this is the answer." >> i had to see how great rock 'n roll is supposed to be done. >> how should it be done? >> no pyrotechnics, no pony showmanship, just pure rock 'n roll, energy, just pure guts, pure stamina. >> it's just real and raw and there's no crap involved. as opposed to the standard schlock we hear on the top 40. >> the ramones were one part of a wider new york scene. >> where you had people like patti smith >> i'm an artist, rock n' roll is my art. >> the new york dolls. >> don't ---- with us,

sweetheart. >> the dead boys. >> so in rock 'n roll, anybody can play. >> and richard hell. >> richard hell was one of the first to cut his own hair. he was ripping his clothes and then safety-pinning them together. >> he was the king of the punks. the safety pin thing, for instance is his. it's pretty clear that he invented that. >> punk in the united states is a music elaboration, a statement of sorts about what music is and how it ought to be played. in england, punk rock is not a musical statement, it is a social one. >> if punks have a home territory, it is here on kings road in the middle of london, the same street that launched the miniskirt and the look and mood of the swingin' sixties. >> kings road belongs to punk rockers. >> kings road belongs to us! >> what's society done for us? >> nothing. >> it ain't got me a job. >> well there isn't any future for a kid now. i mean, there isn't. >> there is an indigenous anger and frustration that drove a lot of punk on and got a lot of young people behind it. >> you've been said to be a political group. >> yeah, say i've said it. yeah, it's true.

>> if there was jobs, maybe we'd be singing about love and kissing or something. >> the clash, musically is the best of the lot. it doesn't sound like traditional punk, but it doesn't sound like anybody else but the clash either. >> punk was, i think, a kind of wide umbrella, and that wider scene included people who were a little bit more complex in their musical performance style. people aren't gonna buy something that you call punk. they might buy it if you call it new wave. >> you love that punk rock these days. can we have your thoughts on that. >> i think it's better just to call it a new wave really. i think by defining it as punk, you're automatically putting a boundary around what's possible. and i think bands like talking heads are excellent. >> the talking heads was the ultimate college band and they did sophisticated, spiky music that reflected who they were. and it particularly reflected

the fascinating individual that david byrne would emerge to become. >> i thought i'd write a song about the urban guerillas from the point of view of their daily lives, instead of from the point of view of their politics. >> this area of new wave music is where the stars of the 1980s are going to come from. >> what makes the '70s so special is that there is still a sense of naivete. the innocence that music could really make a difference in your life. ♪ this ain't no party or ain't no disco ♪ >> you pick any genre you like and i will tell you that the best music made in that genre was made in the 1970s. and you'll have a hard time proving me wrong. >> what was great about the "me"

decade is that it allowed the greatest artists of our times to do some of their greatest work because they were really exploring. that is as deep as popular art ever gets. ♪ this ain't no party this ain't no disco this ain't no fooling around ♪ ♪ >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. i'm pamela brown in washington, and u