so many times in this game, in our job as well, we use the cliche, you know, i'm ready to die for this, i'm willing to give my life for this, it is time to go to war. and i think sometimes we use those things so much we forget that part of living this dream is putting your life at risk. >> what happened on the football field last night, quite shocking, quite shocking. we're covering it all. good morning, everyone. poppy and i are here in new york. kaitlan is in washington on capitol hill as the new congress begins. we have to begin with the big story that everyone is talking about. and that is damar hamlin, the buffalo bills safety suffering from cardiac arrest after a hit during the first quarter of last night's game against cincinnati. he collapsed just moments after the play. >> and right now he's in the

hospital, so we'll take you live outside of the hospital where damar is being treated. we'll have an update on his condition, how the nfl is responding this morning, all that in just moments. >> and i'm live on capitol hill this morning, where in just a few hours from now the 118th congress is set to convene. obviously republicans are supposed to take over the majority and after this hard fought elections across the country, a new batch of lawmakers are going to be sworn in across both parties. but right now we're also focusing on how leader mccarthy is facing a tough election of his own, the speakership. a critical meeting between republicans is set to happen moments from now. >> we have to get to a terrifying moment, during monday night football, buffalo bills safety damar hamlin collapsing after making a tackle. the bills say he suffered a cardiac arrest. and his heart beat was restored on the field. he is hospitalized in critical condition this morning. the scene on the field was really unlike any we have seen before. players on both teams were overcome with emotion, consoling

each other, and praying for hamlin, crying. the game itself was suspended. but it took the nfl more than an hour to announce the final decision. let's go straight to cnn's adrienne broaddus live for us outside the university of cincinnati medical center where hamlin is being treated. what do we know about his condition? >> reporter: well, according to a tweet published by the bills, he is in critical but stable condition here at the hospital behind me. the bills also tweeting he was sedated and ventilators are breathing for him right now. i spoke with a close friend of his who said he is surrounded by family. if you're just waking up to this news, it all happened on the first monday night football game of the year. following a tackle, he stood up, and then collapsed. cpr was administered on the

field. and an ambulance also came on to the field and transported him. the 24-year-old to this hospital. we also learned that he did suffer a cardiac arrest. this has been devastating. people have been talking about it as you all know, don, and poppy, online, but it hits most for his friends and family. the game did end, and we know the 24-year-old to fight on the field and attempt and try to lead his team to victory, but right now he's fighting for his life. >> be patient right now. i think there is a lot of narratives going around and, you know, a lot of people want certain answers, but, like, this is a human being who has a family, and their well-being, his well-being is what's most important. i'm excited for him to bounce back from this because damar is someone who he will use things like this, adversity and he'll

make sure he inspires plenty of other people along the way. >> reporter: and i think that's key. it is important to be patient. yes, as journalists we want answers, we have so many questions, but keep in mind, this is a family at their son's bedside, a mother at her son's bedside, she saw this all unfold, so, it is important for us to take a step back and wait for them to update us so we can share that information with the public. don? >> right on with your assessment. thank you, adrienne broaddus from cincinnati this morning. >> a lot of unknowns. but cnn medical analyst dr. jonathan reiner is with us and beat reporter for the matt porino who was in the stadium last night covering all of this. matt, let me begin with you, what was it like to be there, what did it feel like, what did you see? >> i felt like it was a scene out of a movie.

when it first happened, i covered the game live, i saw damar make the tackle, and bounce up, and so i went down to tweet what happened on the play and when i got back up to look at the field, he was down and somebody was down and i thought it couldn't have been damar, i had just seen him pop back up and replay plays and it is a scene where as a recorder to look at the officials on the field and how they're reacting to the situation. i saw one, a paramedic or emt on a walkie-talkie and you could see the urgency in her face. and then all of a sudden you pan to the players who have been around this game their entire life, they have seen big time hits, it is a very violent sport, and just the reaction, the emotional response, and clinging to each other, stefon diggs, bills wide receiver, pulling his jersey over his face

20 yards away from the scene. it was emotional, and it was scary to be honest. >> dr. reiner, i want to bring you in. after working with you for a few years, the vice president's cardiologist. this is your area of expertise. as you watched what happened, you see this video, talk to us about the possibilities, we know it was a cardiac arrest. they're saying that this commotio cordis not confirmed but it was probably that. take us through what you think happened. >> so, what we know, don, is that he had a cardiac arrest, cpr and at some point he was shocked with a defibrillator. and that occurring after a direct blow to the left side of his chest is very consistent with this entity called commotio cordis, which is latin for agitation of the heart. and what happens if a blow to the chest occurs in just the wrong place, just the wrong time, literally, you know, time for a millisecond in the wrong

place in the cardiac cycle, a very fast and very irregular heart rhythm will ensue that essentially causes the heart to quiver. so instead of contractingcauses heart beat and your blood pressure, the heart quivers and the technical term is fibrillates. and that causes the blood pressure to drop to zero. and it takes about six seconds for somebody to pass out once their heart starts to fibrillate. if you go back and look at the tape, he's hit in the chest, looks like with a helmet, right on the left side of his chest over his heart, within about two seconds he gets up, and then two or three seconds later he's down. and that's completely consistent with how long it would take for your blood pressure to drop to nothing if your heart started to fibrillate. what is important now is how long it took for them to resuscitate him. he's made the first big step, which is to survive, to get to the hospital.

everything now depends on how long it took for them to restore an effective blood pressure. >> what chances of survival for something usually like this? does it depend on what you just said, how quickly they restarted his heart and he got to the hospital and so on? >> right. so, i've taken care of hundreds of people with cardiac arrest from a variety of causes. and what i first thing i tell the family, once the patient gets to the hospital, they made the biggest first step, and that the best case scenario is that they can recover fully. but there are a bunch of hurdles to get over and just the same as if you're running a race, where you have to jump over hurdles, you don't jump over all at the same time. you have to go over them one at a time. the first still is for him to be stable overnight, they may have cooled him, which is a technique we use sometimes to cool the body temperature down to protect the brain. if they did that, they won't wake him up for another day. and then we wait, we wait to see what his neurologic status is.

>> you know, matt, we just think about buffalo and what that city has been through just, you know in the last year, the racially motivated shooting at topps supermarket, the blizzard that killed 39 people, and now this. coy wire on the bills is telling us how tight this team was, the buffalo mafia, as they call it, do you have any insight into what the teammates are saying this morning? do they want to play this game again? >> it is hard to say because we haven't been able to talk to any of the players. and the team was at the facility, the buses left a little bit after midnight yesterday. but it is hard to imagine just from a human standpoint going through that, and you mentioned how close the bond is, you know, within the community and the team, but then within the team itself, the culture sean mcdermott built here it a brotherhood. anyone talks about their own success on the team, it is usually followed with something about other players on the team, other coaches on the team.

and the visceral reaction that you saw last night on the field, it was obvious, there is videos everywhere, it was -- people are going to be going through something, the trauma that this caused, troy vincent, the evp of game day operations spoke about this last night, he was a 14-year nfl veteran and it is something he had never seen before. you have to consider that. the human side is they're all going through this. >> i have one quick question for you, doctor, before we go, that is so how soon -- everyone wants to know how is he doing. when do you think we'll hear next from the medical team and what do you think we will hear? >> well, it depends whether they're using this cooling technique that i told you about because when we use that we keep people asleep fully for -- we keep them cold for 24 hours and then start to slowly warm them. we don't typically allow them to wake up for about 48 hours. so if they did that, we might not -- we might not hear much until tomorrow. we'll have to see. now, if he is starting to move

his extremities and starting to respond to sounds, that would be a terrific sign and i would love if we heard that today. but if we don't, that's not necessarily bad news. this can take days. >> okay. dr. reiner, thank you helping us understand it so much better and matt having been there, thank you for the perspective. kaitlan. >> well, this morning here in washington house republican leader kevin mccarthy is still struggling to get the support that he needs only hours away from today's vote for speaker. right now mccarthy has the support of most of the conference, but he's short critical votes. that's what's important here. even after he's made major concessions to the group of hard-line republicans who are against him, cnn's manu raju and lauren fox are joining us this morning. obviously the big question is what happens. right now we know he's not at 218. we heard from scott perry putting out a statement that doesn't sound very helpful. it is really anyone's guess what is going to happen today. >> you really are in a moment in history in congress, where

things are so unpredictable, and they're so significant of its outcome. and here we are at that very moment. selecting a speaker is not just naming a random person or game of musical chairs. this is one of the most powerful positions in government. someone who will drive a party's agenda, someone who will determine policies that affect the lives of so many people here. and we don't know who the speaker is going to be. we don't know what kevin mccarthy's future is, and we don't know how long this will take this is why we have not seen this in 100 years. because the first order of business in the new house is to elect the speaker. the house cannot govern until there is a new speaker. right now kevin mccarthy can only afford to lose four votes in order to get the 218 he needs and the majority of the house to be elected speaker. he has five hard nos, another nine warning they'll vote g against him. if there is no vote for 218, this will go on and on and on and i'm told kevin mccarthy is prepared to dig on and let this go to multiple ballots, hours and hours and hours and they

expect this morning at 9:30 a very tense discussion with all republicans meeting to discuss today how it is going to turn out. >> they told us kevin mccarthy plans to stay on the floor . what does it look like after they take the first vote, what does it look like in practicality after that? >> this is the another huge question. we don't really know what it looks like. because there are a couple of options here. they can keep voting. they can keep having this vote over and over again, or they can try to adjourn. but if they're going to recess the house, they need 218 votes to do that. that means you have to get all of those hard-liners to agree to let you get off the floor and save you the embarrassment. if they can't get the votes, they need democratic help or they are going to just have to continue to try to negotiate this on the floor while cameras are all watching. that's why it is so riveting. that's why we're all sort of on the edge of our seats today to understand what is going to happen next. >> there really is no

alternative candidate either. >> is there anyone who can actually get the support? >> no, because there are so many issues here, right. so the conservatives keep saying, there is a mystery candidate who is going to emerge or alternative candidate, but there are so many members of the republican conference who are saying we're not going to accept your last second candidate. so even if they come up with some alternative candidate, that person can't get 218 votes. even scalise, a number of republicans we talked to over the last several days made very clear that scalise, they would not necessarily support him for the position because they said he would essentially give in to the people they call -- are there calling hostage takers, members of the republican conference calling other members hostage takers, trying to get their own speaker involved here and steve scalise has kept his head down, he is supporting kevin mccarthy, but he himself has not said what he would do or if he would challenge mccarthy for the position. so just so much uncertainty over who a candidate could be. >> we talked about the concessions that kevin mccarthy is making to the group of hard-liners. but a lot of them don't like kevin mccarthy, whether he supported primary opponents of

theirs, or things he said, you know, when it comes to moments like that. is there anything he can really offer them that would actually get him to 218 or are they just don't want kevin at all? >> such a revealing moment on that conference call on sunday night. i'm expecting that the same issue is going to come up today is when kevin mccarthy said he was willing to hand conservatives a major concession on their ability to oust the speaker or call for a vote to oust the speaker, with just five members, matt gaetz said that was not enough for him. i talked to ralph norman yesterday on the phone, he said his issues have nothing to do with the rules package and much more to do with the budget, making sure we have a balanced budget. there are so many different things they're asking for that trying to coalesce around what specifically he could give them right now is still such an open question. and i think, like you said, some of them just don't like kevin mccarthy. it is hard to convince someone who doesn't like you, who doesn't want you to have the job that you can give them something to change their mind. >> this is why kevin mccarthy tried so hard, spent so much money in the elections, trying to get what he called a

governing majority. that's what his allies wanted. they wanted 230 seats, 240 seats, certainly not 222 seats because they're in the very problem they were fearing would essentially happen here. and now they have to deal with it as a result. and as you said, i talked to bob good yesterday. he said he will still vote no. that's the problem here, no matter what kevin mccarthy does, he has this immoveable conference who doesn't really care whether or not they -- the congress goes into chaos because essentially they believe that it will achieve their objective here. >> and one of the complaints of conservatives is that mccarthy thought he was going to have a larger majority and therefore he didn't really start those conversations early enough in scott perry's mind. i think that is really going to be a determining factor today as to why some of the conservatives just aren't going to get on board. >> yeah. fascinating moment. lauren fox, manu raju, thank you, both. i know you got a big day ahead of you. thank you for joining us. ahead, congressman brian fitzpatrick of pennsylvania is

going to join us live to tell us what he thinks about mccarthy's chances and if he himself would maybe go for the speaker role. don and poppy, a lot of drama on capitol hill. i know that's not an unusual sentence, but today stands out more than the others. >> it is truer than most days. kaitlan, we'll check back. thank you. up next, more on the hit that sent bills safety damar hamlin into cardiac arrest. damar's friend who is at the hospital is going to join us live with an update on his condition. [coughing] hi, susan. honey. yeah. i respect that. but that cough looks pretty bad. try this robitussin honey. the real h honey you love, plus the powerful cough relief you need. mind if i root through your trash? robitussin. the only brand with real honeyand elderberry.

after about an hour last night as you know now, the nfl

suspended the nfl game after damar hamlin collapsed on the field. the bills safety, the nfl now coming under some scrutiny for waiting for that. but there are so many questions this morning. we're joined by rodney mccloud jr. who plays safety for the indianapolis colts, the same position that hamlin plays for the bills. thanks very much for being with us this morning. and i, you know, we can't put ourselves in your shoes. this is your position, right? and this could have been you. what did you think when you saw it? what are your thoughts this morning? >> good morning to everybody. and, first and foremost, my prayers go out to the hamlin family, damar, his friends, his teammates. as players, injuries are always our deepest fear. and we glamorize this sport simply because of the financial stability that it can provide for our families. but often, you know, we tend to try to remove any of those

thoughts the moment we hit the field, that injuries are real and that they exist in this sport. and so, the injuries we're most common to seeing are ligament tears, such as mcls, acls, muscle strains, broken bones, and concussions. as we know, concussions are very -- they happen often in our sport. and we become very numb to it, unfortunately. you also have seen the sense of urgency rise and increase from the league, from being able to implement new quality of helmets to new tackling rules and all those sorts of things. and so, you know, what we saw last night was something that we never have seen before. in my 11 years in the nfl, i never experienced anything like that, and that brings the reality to the sport to life. and we're talking about a man

who collapsed, who laid breathless, who unfortunately is fighting for his life. and so for us, the dream is real, but the dream, you know, even though we understand the dream comes with great sacrifice, we never want that sacrifice to be paid from the expense of anyone's life. >> what questions do you have this morning? >> are you talking to me? what questions? >> yeah. >> for me, it's simply, you know, wondering is he okay, what's the status. i think the nfl as a whole, a band of brothers last night, you saw the concern, you saw the overwhelming amount of prayers go out and uplifting, you know, that young man in this moment as he battles for his life. you never want to see that. so i think for us we want to make sure that he's all right as you saw from a lot of his teammates as well. >> how do you think the nfl did

handling this? as you said, it never happened before, it is unprecedented. how did they do? >> i think they did a very good job. they put the concern of their players first. they prioritize us ain o and yo that from the bills, they were not in the state of mind to be able to finish that game. and so the league took that into consideration and they did the right thing at stopping this and, like i said, prioritizing our health. we have to do that as players as well. we can't turn our backs, we can't walk away. we can't stay in silence when injuries do occur because it is real. and they have long-term effects. >> yeah. rodney mccloud, we're grateful for you being here with us this morning. thank you. >> thank you, rodney. >> thank you. >> so joining us now is jordan rooney, damar hamlin's friend and marketing representative.

thank you so much. i have been -- jordan, you hear us? are you there? jordan rooney, can you -- >> i'm not hearing anything out of this. >> jordan, can you hear us? all right. so, jordan, again, is a representative and a friend of damar hamlin, really close to him. technical difficulties obviously. we'll get to -- back to him and correct that for you to get an update. he's been providing condition of jordan hamlin online and speaking to media. we'll speak to him in moments. don't go anywhere. we'll be right back with "cnn this morning." with a catchy son. so to help you remember that liberty mutual customizes your home insurance, here's a little number you'll nevever forget. ♪customize e and save♪ only pay for what you neneed. ♪libeberty liberty liberty♪ ♪liberty♪

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so, back now to the hospital where damar hamlin's friend is standing by, jordan rooney. thank you for joining us again. thank you so much. >> yeah, thanks for having me. >> i understand you're at the

hospital. you've been there all night with the parents. what do you know? >> yeah, i would say there is not any concrete updates. i can't speak specifically on his medical condition or things like that. i would say right now, taking it hour by hour. >> you know, jordan, you know him better, i think, than anyone we talked to this morning on the program. i'm really sorry for what this must be like for you emotionally this morning. can you tell us about him as a guy? everything we heard is he's extraordinary. >> yeah. i think that it gets thrown around a lot, like, he's more than an athlete. he truly is someone that, like, he's in the nfl because he wants to be a role model. like, part of what drives damar is to be an example for other young people in his community. he's someone that truly embodies what it means to be someone you want to look up to. toy drives, back to school

drives, just giving people time out of his day. damar is the ideal professional athlete. >> so you said, listen, you can't talk specifically, i know you're not a medical person here, but there was an update that you said his vitals are back to normal, and they have put him to sleep and put a breathing tube down his throat, they're currently running tests. that was last night. when he -- was he conscious when he went to the hospital -- go on. >> yeah, so, i can't speak to specifically on that. my update was more of there was a lot of speculation going on at the time of what was going on with him because people had seen cpr being performed. so, you know, his condition was stable at the time, but that, you know, wasn't saying that hey, everything is perfectly fine now. it was -- they got him into a stable condition at least and from there, they were going to do testing.

that's what's been going on since then. >> and his family -- >> his vitals were stable. >> his vitals were stable, you said? >> i can't speak medically to it, but at the time that's what was going on. >> his mom is there, his family is there. can you take us inside of, you know what is happening and what they're -- what you saw and what they're dealing with? >> yeah, i mean, he has a strong family. he has the ideal support system. they're optimistic. damar is someone that you would trust and believe to come out on top of anything that he is faced with. so, you know, they know damar. i know damar. we're confident that no matter what he's facing, he's going come out on top. >> i want to play for our viewers something he said in november, talking about one of his -- one of his teammates who

was injured. here is how he talked about the fragility of life. >> you never know when, like, the last day could be that you get in an experience something like this. i'm just -- i'm cherishing it every moment i can. >> man, he's only 24. >> yeah. i mean, damar is, you know, emotionally intelligent, compassionate. he's someone that, i mean, he can turn it on in a second, be charismatic, he's great with people. he is someone that, you know, i think the more you talk to people, you know him, like, it -- i'm not just saying it to say it. it could be confirmed, like, there isn't -- there isn't that many people who are like damar. and for him, like, i used something like this as just another step along the way to his journey of inspiring more people. >> jordan, we talked about his family, his mom obviously and our hearts go out to them.

but also the -- let's talk about the players and what they're dealing with. we saw the emotion, really spilling over on to the field and just all over the country last night as people watched this in shock. talk to us about what the players are dealing with at this moment. >> yeah, i mean, i can't speak specifically for those players. i think it is probably a lot of mixed emotions for them. you get to see their reactions. i think it is important for everyone to know, like, you can't dehumanize these guys, like, you may watch them on tv, you may be a fan of them, but, like, this is very real, very real emotions involved with this. and i think you got to see that from them last night. i can't speak specifically on how they're feeling. >> jordan, we're so grateful to you, we know it is a very tough moment, we're grateful to you for coming on. and our condolences to, you know, as to what happened, but will you tell the family we're thinking about them and we're

hoping that he pulls through and we're hoping everything works out okay, so thank you so much, okay? >> thank you, don. >> jordan rooney, as you said, probably the closest person -- >> i think so, that we heard from, for sure. so, kaitlan, we're watching what happens there in cincinnati. and we're watching what is happening in washington right now. >> yeah, two major zwroir stori playing out this morning. on capitol hill, the new congress, is set to convene today. the vote for the house speaker is a few hours away but very much still in question as kevin mccarthy has been working to lock down the votes he needs to take thelearned he met privatelh some of his potential opponents. joining us now is pennsylvania republican congressman brian fitzpatrick. thank you so much. the question is kevin mccarthy going to get to 218 today? >> he'll get there. i don't know if it will be today. that's going to be an open question. we have a meeting at 9:00 this

morning. what you'll see transpire today, sheryl johnson, the clerk of the house, she's going to gavel out the 117th congress, gavel in the 118th. and since there is no rules passed yet, she has the authority to only do two things, call a quorum vote, we all show up and vote present on the floor and then second call the speaker vote. she only has the authority to call the speaker vote if nobody gets ss ss to 218, call it a se time, a third time, until someone makes a privileged motion to adjourn, which requires 218 votes. a lot of it is uncertain as to how it is going to play out today. it is dependent on some of the detractors still asking for more concessions by speaker-elect mccarthy. >> if it doesn't happen today, how long could it take? >> who knows. it has taken six months in the history of our country a few times, right. we just don't know the answer to that. i think it is going to be interesting to see in the first round what the vote tally is. the second round apparently a

new name will be offered. nobody knows who that is. but our colleagues in the freedom caucus have indicated they'll offer somebody's name up. we don't know if that is someone inside or outside of the conference. someone inside, they have to accept that nomination and presumably vote for themselves, so a lot of that is unknown right now. it is going to be an interesting thing to watch play out. >> your name has been floated as a potential alternative as people have been asking, you know, who else is viable, who else could actually get the support. >> yeah, kevin is going to be the speaker. i don't think there is any question about it. i think the question is how many rounds it takes. >> how many rounds are you prepared to vote for him? >> as long as he's in, we committed to support him. >> what do you mean as long as he's in? >> as long as he's nominated on the floor. so if his name is up for consideration, you know, you got -- if people put in the work, that's got to pay off at some point. kevin, you know, he's led the gop for four years now, he's brought the minority to the majority. he worked very hard.

he has very broad support throughout the conference and that's got to mean something. so, i think he's going to get there. i really do. >> he's been making concessions to the hard-liners who are right now still no votes against him. does he have more concessions he can offer to them, you think? >> well, the problem is concessions keep changing as far as what's being asked of him. so i know we had a meeting with him last night, he met with some of his detractors last night as well. so it is an evolving situation. the issue of the motion to vacate the chair, which is essentially a jeffersonian rule that allows one member to basically call for the vacation of the speakership, and that's been a subject of debate because it was used to weaponize certain people against that speaker boehner which made it very hard for the house to operate. that's been a point of cont contention. co-br

he could bring it down to one technically. a lot of that is in flux. >> are you worried about the concessions he's making? >> a lot of them are good. they're meant to open the house up have more member input. that's something a lot of us want, by the way. the way things have currently and previously run, not all 435 members have had an equal voice. it should be that way. we all represent roughly 700,000 people, each one of those 700,000 people and each one of our districts are entitled toen equal voice on the floor of the house. so, to the extent that's the end goal here, we support that. >> you've been talking to kevin mccarthy. what is his mindset right now? >> well, he knows how many votes he has and knows how many votes are still open. some people have committed to voting against him, some people have been more ambiguous about it. so we're not going to know it until the vote is called today where people stand and we're just going to have to watch the rounds play out. i think he'll get there. >> if it is not kevin mccarthy, do you think the alternative of someone inside or outside of the

house. >> outside of the house. i don't think there is enough people that are willing to set the precedent that you can work for four years and bring a party from the minority to majority and get jettisoned at the end. >> who from outside the snhouse? >> who knows. we're not thinking that far. we think kevin is going to get there. we'll cross that bridge if and when it comes. >> we'll see if you do. congressman, thank you for joining us to share some insight. you have a busy meeting at 9:00 with your fellow republicans. thank you. >> don and poppy, interesting there, we're talking about who could be an alternative. he said maybe it is someone outside the house that could be an alternative house speaker. >> i'm just -- i have been talking off kaitlan's ear about this last week saying, can that happen? can that happen? we'll see. >> it can. >> anything can happen. >> anything is possible. >> so in just a few hours, the

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today the man now suspecsuspected of killing four university of idaho students will appear in court. he will waive extradition which will speed up his return to idaho. his attorney says he believes he's going to be exonerated and that he should be presumed innocent until proven otherwise. it took investigators seven weeks to find him as a suspect, seven weeks after the victims were found stabbed to death in their off campus home. the murder weapon has not been found. police have also not at least publicly confirmed a motive, but through dna sources say investigators honed in on kohberger as their main suspect. joining us is former nypd homicide detective and hostage

negotiator and adjunct professor titus junior. i find it interesting you have the same degree, ph.d. in criminology that kohberger was going for. let's start with the dna link that they said led them here. >> yes, well, dna has become vitally important in investigations throughout the years. in this particular case, it is the key to identifying the suspect in this case. they were able to find the small trace amount of dna, and through the dna process, through the genealogy process, think were able to narrow it down, probably to an individual. and then the profile of the individual comes into play and all of the other aspects, and they got their man. >> from a crime scene, can

you -- can it be an indicator of certain personality traits as we had someone who was -- he was the ta, right? mr. kohberger was his ta? >> yes. and he said he had exhibited sort of -- he seemed aloof in the last couple of days before -- and during what happened. but can you pick up a personality trait from a crime scene? >> absolutely. a crime scene tells a lot about the individual who commits the crime. i am under the impression this crime scene was meticulously handled, meaning that there were -- that things were purposefully cleaned and removed and, you know, he, being someone who studied criminology, he purposefully tried his best not to leave any evidence anywhere. so, that tells you a lot about an individual. not only about the individual

himself, but his mindset. it is definitely predetermined. it is planned. it is completely, like, a blueprint for this individual. >> if you -- you said he purposefully did these things. having going for the degree and trying to be what you are professionally, is there such a thing as a perfect, you know, cleaning up the evidence and the perfect crime? >> apparently not if they got dna. >> absolutely. that is -- >> shouldn't he know that? >> he should have known that. that is the problem. regardless of how careful you are at a crime scene, you will -- the minute you walk into a room, you're leaving dna in that room, whether you realize it or not, whether it could be collected or not, you're leaving dna in that room, just from skin cells falling off of your hands or whatever. so, there is always dna everywhere, and he should have been aware of that. i just believe that he did not think that the police would be

able to get this type of dna from him. i'm sure he's very surprised the fbi was brought in. he's very surprised that the case went to this -- that depth. he was probably under the impression that the idaho police department was going to handle this and he felt -- he probably felt he was smarter than them. you know? >> alfred titus jr., thank you very much. >> okay. thank you. >> we really appreciate it. now this, he told lie after lie to get elected. now just hours before he takes office, brazil may revive a fraud case against congressman-elect george santos. that reporting is next. at booking.com, finding perfect isn't rocket science. kitchen? sorted. hot tub, why not? and d of course, puppy-friendly. we don't lilike to say perfect, but it's pretty perfect. booking.com, booking.y.yeah.

but i'm also jew-ish.

i grew up fully aware my grandparents were jewish and they were refugees to brazil. that was always the story i grew up with and i've always known it very well. >> i mean, we could go through all the lies, but how long would that take us? not jewish but jew-ish. he's never worked for goldman sachs. those are just some of the lies congressman elect santos has told. despite those lies, he'll be sworn into congress. now he reportedly made purchases in brazil using a stolen checkbook and fake name. last month santos was charged with embezzlment in a brazilian

court. that charge was received after officials couldn't track him down. so he reportedly was already in the united states. archived after they couldn't track him down. joining us now "new york times" reporter grace ashland. grace, you have been reporting on this story out of brazil where santos is denying he committed a crime, saying there's nothing criminal, nothing happened. the reports are that he previously admitted to it. another shocking twist here. >> good morning, thank you for having me. this comes on the eve of santos' swearing in to congress today. certainly a layer of unwanted additional scrutiny. he's denied these charges. the court records show that mr. santos admitted to using the

checkbook to police and the shop owner who he sent a message to on a brazilian social media site promising to pay. it was only after mr. santos and his mother admitted he had stolen this checkbook and made these purchases that the charges were approved and the procedure continued. of course, after that happened mr. santos could not be found and he returned to the united states. >> grace 's reporting is super interesting. this case has been referred to the justice department. it will proceed whether or not he agrees to cooperate. kaitlan, you've been talking to people on the hill. what do they think of this? >> reporter: republicans find him embarrassing. we've talked about republican leadership being quiet on this. a lot of that has to do with the

vote for kevin mccarthy. a lot of people expect he'll be more vocal once it ended. you also haven't seen a lot of support from republicans. it just speaks to that. you heard earlier mike lawler say his conduct is embarrassing. he's going to be sworn in today, but republicans are not rallying around him. i don't think he'll get a warm reception on capitol hill and he'll face a lot of questions from reporters. >> john, listen, embarrassed, but not embarrassed enough to speak out. kevin mccarthy is not weighing in on this because he needs the votes. where does this put us? what does this say about the culture of lying in our country and his place in the republican party? >> it shows how much we put the

pursuit of power over principle. shamelessness is table stakes in politics. this is all down stream from donald trump. to some extent lying has become normalized. this case is so extraordinary because this isn't resume embellishment. this is a serial liar about every aspect of his biography. that raises real questions -- dan goldman has suggested conspiracy to defraud the united states. lying on financial disclosure forms is also illegal. there are still questions out there. a local paper in his district reported before the election his net worth went from below $5,000 to over $11 million. they're still -- how? follow the money. the culture of lying is decreasing trust in our society and that's dangerous for democracy.

>> and how? listen, kaitlan and grace, how is he being seated? >> he has to constitutionally. >> in the old days -- we talked about this. usually it's listen, i'm sorry, i don't have the confidence of the people. >> in the old days you wouldn't get seated. they would refuse to seat you. that was a different deal. this is where shamelessness comes in, where character comes in and where republicans need to lead. >> grace, real quick, i want you to have the final stamp. anything new in the reporting we should know about? >> you mentioned -- this is not extradition. he's not being forced to respond to the charges. depending on how he chooses to he could stay, continue to serve in congress. he could go back. they're obtaining local counsel.

if he's found guilty, he could face one to five years in jail in brazil and a fine. these are small charges, but not nothing. there's that as well. >> john, grace, thank you. kaitlan, this is why you're there today to cover the madness. >> reporter: george santos is one of the many joining this congress that's set to happen in a few moments. it's going to be a fascinating day to see not just what happens with kevin mccarthy. maybe that doesn't come to an end today. it's rare you hear we don't know what's going to happen, but that's the case today. >> are you telling us you might not be sitting here tomorrow? come back. >> reporter: i miss you guys. we'll see how crazy it gets. >> she'll need a hug tomorrow. >> great interviews this morning. kaitlan, see you soon. what a morning.

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