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extended to include the bills mafia. recently he spoke about fulfilling his dream of playing for the pros. >> you never know when like the last day could be that you get to experience something like this. i'm cherishing it every moment i can. >> reporter: all now keeping this rising star, this hometown hero in their prayers. in the gofundme page hamlin said up for his toy drive, before last night the initial goal was $2500. now since this all happened, it exceeded $5 million. now the family has updated it to say that some of that money is going to go toward his care. but really, what a remarkable man. what a remarkable player. we're all praying for him. >> brynn, thank you very much. thanks so much to all of you for joining us. "ac 360" begins right now. and good evening. take a look. only half of that building is functioning normally tonight. the house of representatives has no speaker. for the last 100 years, it's
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taken no more than a single ballot on the first day in session to elect one. today house republicans, who are now in the majority, could not muster the votes needed to make their leader, kevin mccarthy, the speaker. instead, in a test of his capacity for humiliation, he sat there, smiling at times as votes were cast three times and results were read. >> the honorable hakeem jeffries of the state of new york has received 212. [ applause ] >> acclimation. >> the honorable kevin mccarthy of the state of california has received 203. no persons have received a majority of the whole numbers votes cast by surname. a speaker has not been elected.
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no person having received the majority of the whole number of votes cast by surname. a speaker has not been elected. a speaker has not been elected. >> well, after the third rejection, republicans moved to adjourn until noon tomorrow. and this could all begin again. in 1923, it took nine ballots to choose a speaker. the record is 133 over two months in 1856. no one expects it to go that long this time. but today was still historic and unprecedented in the moerner rachet it was also a repudiation of mccarthy's powers of persuasion limited though they are by a slim majority and rebellious membership. he still seems to have misjudged his support. in a letter to colleagues over the weekend, he signed it "speaker designate." the irony being this is a letter making one concession after another to hard-liners to win their votes which he did not get today. and adding pathos the irony,
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mccarthy had already moved into the speaker's office. what is not customer is for that incoming leader to lose a bid for the speakership and then be obliged to move out, which in fairness has not happened yet. let's go first to manu raju. what are you hearing right now? >> right now kevin mccarthy is still in negotiations. i'm told he is making phone calls to individual members. some of his own allies are reaching out to some of those detractors, and the republican conference is planning a meeting for tomorrow morning to discuss a way forward. they had a meeting this morning that did not go well. in fact, a lot of those detractors came out of that very tense meeting and said they were certain to oppose mccarthy, and they expected the opposition to grow. at that medium, mccarthy essentially brow beated these members, urging them to vote for him because he made all sorts of concession. he earned his position to become speaker, and ultimately, they should have moved in his direction. they did not move in his direction and the tension has
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grown by the day. talking to a number of mccarthy allies, they are going after the critic, urging them to be part of the team. but those numbers are not at the moment listening to them. >> they are enemies now. they have made it clear that they prefer a democrat agenda than a republican one. they are the true definition of rinos. >> i was sent here to get things done, not to be an advocate for chaos. a lot of it is sound bite for fundraising. let's just be clear and call it what it is. >> i'll be sticking with kevin whether it's the third ballot, the 50th ballot or the 100th ballot. >> and that's what kevin mccarthy says he plans to do. at least he is signaling to his colleagues that he plans to grind it out one ballot after another no matter how long it takes. but in a warning sign for him, anderson, republicans who are supporting him, some of them are saying they may not stick with them for that long that is a real challenge going forward. one of the congressmen, ken buck told me eventually they may need
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to find another candidate. and another sign for concern of his, that byron donalds, who is a republican from florida, was one of those who voted for mccarthy on the first two ballot, but not on the third ballot. and that is a real fear among mccarthy allies that the opposition may only grow. >> and how are democrats viewing this? >> well, they have not made a decision yet on how to proceed. they do know at the moment they're planning to sit back and watch this chaos unfold. this house is paralyzed. it cannot move forward until they elect a speaker that is the first order of business. and that is what hakeem jeffries told reporters this evening. he said we're looking for a willing partner to solve problems for the american people, not save the republicans from their own dysfunction. so there has been some talk that perhaps the republicans and some democrats could join together and find some sort of consensus candidate. those talks are simply not happening. there are also other ways to lower the voting threshold. so 218 votes are now required to
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elect a speaker. it may be lowered if some of their caucus vote present. that is now part of the cushion as well. in this continues on, democrats may be leaned on in some way to help mccarthy, but they're not planning to bail him out at the moment. >> thanks. long day for you. perspective from mick mulvaney. south carolina congressman and a founding member of the house freedom caucus. congressman mulvaney, what is your reaction to the three failed ballots for congressman mccarthy? >> it's a complete breakdown here tonight, anderson. there is no question to have 19 votes against kevin, it's outrageous. i talked to a bunch of the folks who voted against kevin. i asked what their plan was. they don't seem to have one other than to continue to vote against kevin. i asked what they want. they don't seem to be coherent about that. i asked who they support. they don't have any names. i don't know if it's anarchy or chaos, but it's certainly a breakdown in the system here in the united states house of representatives tonight. >> a number of those who didn't vote for mccarthy have said it's
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not personal. oftentimes when people say it's not personal, it is. do you think it is personal? >> i think it's absolutely personal. in fact, i've listened to them today talk about the things that they don't like. and they're asking for things that kevin can't give. they're complaining about things that are not kevin's fault, and they're sometimes asking for things that kevin has already agreed to give them. so i absolutely it's personal. look, i challenge john boehner when he tried to be speaker in 2013. we did that because we felt like he was marginalized in the conservative wing of the party. fast forward almost ten years, and here is kevin mccarthy trying to make jim jordan, one of the most conservative members of the freedom caucus, a committee chairman, something we never would have dreamed about with john boehner being the speaker of the house. it's entirely different than 2013 which was sort of on policy and principles. and this seems to be almost entirely personal. it's unfortunate. >> some of the things that mccar t
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mccarthy has agreed to would weaken him as the speaker. even if he is elected has he done himself tremendous damage by agreeing to those things? >> he has agreed to do it in principle. i think he agreed to do it in exchange for votes. and these folks don't seem to want to vote for him. i don't know where we stand. would kevin be a weakened speaker if he wins under the conditions he offered these folks? maybe. but it was going to be a weak speakership any way because of the nature of the margin. there is only a five-vote margin on every single piece of legislation. i don't understand these folks opposing kevin, they're going get their chance to be heard on every single rule vote, on every single piece of legislation, on every single piece of legislation because the margins are so tight. they have leveraged almost every single time. why they're choosing this battle which i don't think they can win is really beyond me. >> so is part of it also -- if it's personal, is it also frankly about getting attention? >> i think there is some of that, unfortunately. look, both parties now seem to sort of elevate people who really like being outrageous. it's a great way to raise money. they like being on social media.
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it's a great way to sort of drive their numbers and so forth. so, yeah, are we both parties electing celebrities or wanna-be celebrities or wanna-be media personalities instead of lawmakers, i think that's probably a fair claim. you can't go in to something like this where 90% of your party has voted for kevin mccarthy in a closed room, and come out and opposed him for the wrong reasons and really consider yourself a serious lawmaker. i just don't get it. >> a reporter for nbc posted on twitter tonight that he spoke with former president trump, declined to say whether he would stick with mccarthy, saying well, we'll see what happens. does it surprise you he is unwilling to expend capital to come to mccarthy's aid, or would that help? >> no, and i think the president should be coming to mccarthy's aid because the president is already associated with mccarthy. everybody knows he supported mccarthy up to now. so if kevin mccarthy is not the speaker, yeah, kevin mccarthy
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loses, there is no question i think the conservatives in the house lose because you l get somebody further to the left as a speaker. but the other big loser is donald trump. because everybody knows he is tied to kevin mccarthy. he wasn't tied to kevin mccarthy as closely as say herschel walker, but it's close. mccarthy loss equals a trump loss here in the u.s. house. >> you were one of the founding members of the freedom caucus. you were arguing earlier on cnn they shouldn't be painted with a broad brush, and the majority of freedom caucus actually voted for mccarthy. how do you square the value you think the caucus represents with the action some members are taking against mccarthy? >> yeah, the freedom caucus was started, anderson, the working title used to be the reasonable nut job caucus. we were the folks who wanted to take the time to think things through. if we wanted to vote with leadership, we would. if we want to vote against leadership, we would. we try to position ourselves as the reasonable right wing extreme of the party. i think that's completely broken down to the extent you saw this today. this was not a freedom caucus
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opposition to kevin mccarthy. the majority to the extent they published their names was for kevin mccarthy. but there is a lot of folks in there that i don't think are true to what we made the freedom caucus. but again, i've been going here for six years. it's a very different building when i left six years ago. >> congressman mulvaney, i appreciate your time. thanks. >> thanks, anderson. >> joining me former top obama adviser david axelrod, nia-malika henderson, charlie dent, former new york democratic congressman mondaire jones. is tomorrow's vote going to be much different than today's? >> i don't see how, honestly. i don't know what's going on in those rooms other than a lot of pizza and chick-fil-a, according to reports. but there is such -- there is such ingrained opposition among that 20 who voted against mccarthy that it's really hard to see after he has given them virtually everything that they asked for that they're going to turn around overnight. and the question -- now maybe he
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will. maybe they will. the question is how long will it go before his allies, some of his allies peel away and say kevin, we love you, man, but it's just not there for you. i thought it was telling, by the way, that trump started pulling away a little. he has gone from my kevin to kevin. which reflects where mccarthy is right now. >> nia, you think there is any scenario under which mccarthy bows out? >> i think tomorrow if you start to see some of these moderates peel away, is it five, ten on successive votes, and folks start to go to him and say it doesn't look like you've got a path, because these 20 are so -- folks really seem to be dug in. they've done this before to other speakers. this is what they do, and there is no way forward for you, i think he wouldn't have any choice but to pull out at that point. because there is just no path. he has been at this, you know,
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for many, many years, and at this very doggedly for the last two, three months or so. and very much engaging with these hard liners over the last couple of days. and nothing has happened. nothing is moving his way. at some point the writing is going to be on the wall. >> congressman dent, he started 19 and ended up at 20. >> many expected there would be maybe five, maybe a little bit more than that. i think we were all surprised to see the number go as high as 19. and then 20. so we're going to go into tomorrow. we'll see what the first vote looks like. maybe it's still at 20. and i suspect one of two things are going to happen at some point. either the 19 or the 20 are going to cave, or mccarthy is going to have to bow out. i don't see much of a middle ground right now. somebody is going to have to move. i'm not betting that those 20 guys are going to move because they're pretty darn stubborn. i think they're relishing their moment in the spotlight right
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now. i don't know that mccarthy can give them anything that he hasn't already offered them. he'll never be able to satisfy them. >> congressman? >> i think people have got to stop being surprised. i was baffled by your interview with mick mulvaney because he describes at least at the founding of the freedom caucus as this reasonable right wing extreme caucus. i mean, come on. eventually, you're going to have enough people who don't believe the federal government exists that when you finally empower them through a slight margin like what we're seeing right now in the house of representatives, you're going see these kind of tactics deployed, in this case for deeply personal reasons, i believe, based on what, you know, what he has conceded to and what they are requesting, which are things that in most instances he can't do. >> it certainly tells you about it's just a sign of things to come. regardless whatever happens to mccarthy, whoever ends up being the speaker, it tells you what the next two years are going to be like on the republican side in the house. >> absolutely. i don't see how they expect to
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deal with the debt ceiling, for example, which is a looming consideration, to say nothing of organizing committees. the day to day function of congress occurs at the committee level. and if you can't put people on the appropriations or the ethics committee which they're trying to gut which is a separate scandal once a speaker is finally elected, i don't see how you can run on anything in 2024 that you've done. >> i just want to pick up on the debt ceiling issue. that would be catastrophic if we reached the debt ceiling. but if mccarthy, who probably recognizes that at some level makes -- relies on democratic votes to do it, that undoubtedly would bring in this five-vote ability to call his whole speakership into question, to vacate the speaker's chair. this is a rule.
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>> he has agreed to this rule. >> any five could demand a vote to vacate the speakers chair. it's what drove john boehner from the speakership. >> at that point it was a one person could make the motion. >> right. >> now under the new proposal, it's five. pelosi, the democrats, they took it up to 50. so they're bringing it back down to five. again, why would kevin mccarthy hand the rope to his opponents of which they could hang him? that's really what he is doing. this is incredibly short-sighted i think to make these types of concessions. i mean -- >> so what is the -- what happens tomorrow? who is the alternative? >> well, they don't have an alternative. frankly, either side right now. but i think everybody is speculating that steve scalise -- >> mick mulvaney said he didn't think scalise had the votes. >> he might not be able to get the votes, but he'll probably get more votes than mccarthy is get right now. and by the way, there is no better bomb thrower than mick mulvaney. i served with him. this is a guy who voted against
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john boehner for speaker. mick mulvaney and jim jordan wrote the textbook on how to obstruct the majority. all we're witnessing is a continuation of what we saw since 2011. this is the same thing, except it's worse because there is a smaller margin and they're the wild men. >> we have more to talk with the team here in new york. everyone is going to stick around. also tonight, significant update on the condition of last-minute damar hamlin. what he went through and is still going through at the hospital, plus perspective from our own dr. gupta. will you make something better? ♪ will you create something entirelyly new? ♪ our dell technologies advisors provide you with the tools and expertise you need to do incredible things. because we believe there's an innovator in all of us.
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we're talking tonight about history-making humiliation of kevin mccarthy in his bid to become the next speaker of the house. part of it was watching this, florida congressman matt gaetz nominating jim jordan for speaker. >> mr. jordan said we must engage in rigorous oversight. every one of my republican colleagues knows that the person who can lead that oversight effort, who works on it every day, who has the skill and the talent and the will is jim jordan. i'm nominating him, and i'm voting for him. >> kevin mccarthy was sitting just three seats away. back with david axelrod, nia-malika henderson, charlie dent and mondaire jones. the fact that the former president is backing away, some have suggested the former president should do more for mccarthy. how do you see it? >> well, as maybe more of a
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traditionalist. i believe that house leadership election is an election among the house members. this should be where the debate. presidents of the united states, and especially former presidents of the united states, should not be involved in that selection process. you would have never seen either the bushes or reagan or barack obama or bill clinton intervene in a house leadership election. all they can do is make enemies. i think this is a terrible precedent. plus, if you were relying on trump to become the next speaker, he is going to own you in the next congress. that's the mistake they're making. >> but clearly, kevin mccarthy has allayed, desperately tried to allay himself with trump. even after condemning him for the january 6th insurrection, he quickly reversed himself. >> to the point of now being referred to the ethics committee for his conduct with respect to the january 6th investigation. i don't know what he's got to show for his antics over these
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past two years. >> but the rub here is mccarthy's most vulnerable members are in districts where trump is not popular. so where is mccarthy's loyalty going to be? to the former president who helped him get there? or to these more moderate members who need to distance themselves from trump. this is really the dilemma that kevin has the deal with. they have know trump is the kiss of death. >> we're all witnessing the fallout from the trump administration. it's a fallout from what's happening in the republican party. >> 100%. this is a microcosm of the challenge that the republican party has faced. they know they need to quit trump, that if they're going to be successful -- this last midterm proved this -- they need to distance themselves from trump. but he still carries a lot of sway within the base of the party, and there is great fear about primary elections and in mccarthy's case there was fear he could turn members against him in his bid for speaker. this is an ongoing dilemma, and it's obviously coming to a head
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because trump is running for president again. >> i think whatever -- if mccarthy makes it, his speakership is going to preside over investigations that are very pleasing to donald trump, pleasing to the donald trump base, investigations into dr. fauci, investigations into hunter biden. and if you're a moderate, you know that that's not going to help you get reelected. that's not going to help the republican brand with independents who turned against republicans in droves in 2022 in the midterms. >> to that and cnn is reporting moderate republicans already laying groundwork for kind of a long shot play of potentially teaming up with democrats in the coming days if those 20 gop holdouts remain. would democrats really go for a type of concession candidate? >> i think that remains to be seen. i think it would not happen without the blessing of hakeem jeffries. and so that's a calculation that i'm sure is probably incomplete.
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i think in the first instance, people are going to want to see whether they are able to rally around another republican candidate within the house gop before thinking that democratic votes are even necessary. i think it's a bit premature. >> it would be hard to see republicans going for that and certainly a lot of democrats. >> i tell you what. if i'm hakeem jeffries, if i could help deliver a speaker, what would he get for it? could he get a power sharing arrangement? could he control some committees? guarantees on certain legislation. it's not probable that this would happen, but if i'm jeffreys, why not be the power broker. >> can i ask a question? if you were mccarthy and his people, just to be really machiavellian about it, is this not a good story to have out there right now. >> yes. >> that if you don't get on board here, we may see deal cutting and we could lose the whole thing. >> that's why when don bacon floated the whole idea, he floated the idea of maybe some
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kind of consensus by bipartisan speaker. there is no question mccarthy loved that out there. that might force the hard-liners back into the fold if we had a deal with a chair shared arrangement with the democrats. i'm sure mccarthy loves that conversation that we're having right now. he thinks it might be some of the 19 back. >> i think it goes again to kevin mccarthy's failed strategy all along, whether it's floating this. i think it's kind of a cockamamy idea that somehow the democrats are going to help on a consensus candidate. that has been a bad strategy i think. going on fox news and having establishment folks really hammer some of the hard-liners. nothing has worked so far. he is just bad at trying to become speaker. and the folks who are blocking him have been very good at blocking speakers and rung them out of town. >> nia-malika henderson, david axelrod, mondaire jones. buffalo safety damar hamlin who suffered cardiac arrest after a brutal hit during monday
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we'll have more on the speaker's race shortly. right now breaking news on a story that breck on our air last night. the family of buffalo safety damar hamlin spoke with a cnn reporter about his condition. hamlin, they say, is still unable to breathe on his own. he remains in critical condition tonight. hamlin suffered cardiac arrest after taking a blow to the chest and head area while trying to make a tackle on monday night football. he got up after the hit, but almost immediately fell backwards. cpr was performed on the field. he was then taken away by ambulance. in a moment, dr. sanjay gupta joins us to talk about his medical condition. later bob costas is going to join us to talk about the nfl's response last night. but first, we go to cnn where cnn's adrienne broaddus is breaking the news about damar hamlin after speaking with a family member. so what have you learned? >> his uncle telling me, anderson, just outside of the hospital here, that his nephew had to be resuscitated twice, once on the football field last night and then again when he was transported here to the
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hospital. as you mentioned, damar suffered cardiac arrest, and within seconds trainers were at his side and medics performing cpr. his uncle telling me his nephew sustained damage to his lungs because of the chest compressions. he is saying right now he is flipped over, the way he described it, inside of the hospital on his stomach to relieve some of that pressure from his lungs. here is more from our conversation. >> his heart went out. they had to resuscitate him twice. on the field before they brought him to the hospital and they resuscitated him a second time when he got to the hospital. >> his uncle saying he and the entire family that has been at damar's bedside believe in the power of prayer, and their plea for the public tonight is to keep those prayers coming. he said without the medical
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attention and the staff that is working so hard here, he believes his nephew would not be here with us, but tonight he is inside of this hospital still in critical condition, sedated and fighting for his life, anderson. >> and i assume his family is still with him tonight? >> his family is here. just moments ago, we met three women who identified themselves as his aunt. they were at what i like to call the get well soon corner, which is just in front of the hospital here. there are balloons and messages of hope and healing, and the family said their nephew is fighting, but they've been here with him, including his mother who rode in the ambulance with her son last night to the hospital. she was in the field, or in the stadium, excuse me, when her son collapsed. >> adrienne broaddus, i appreciate it. thank you very much. more from dr. sanjay gupta. from just a medical standpoint,
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what is your reaction to what hamlin's uncle told adrienne about what happened? >> well, there was two things, anderson, that really jumped out at me there first of all, the idea that he had to be resuscitated a second time. we know that he had his heart rhythm restored when he was on the field, which that was good news because you want to do that as quickly as possible. and it sounds like the medical team was able to do that while he was still in the stadium. by the time it sounds like he got to the hospital, he was unstable again. electrical rhythm was unstable again and had to be resuscitated again. that just gives you an idea of how much damage or impact there has been on his heart overall. again, as we talked about last night, anderson, we don't know the underlying cause here, what is really driving that. and that's going to be an important thing to know. we don't know that in terms of what that means for him going forward. the second thing that adrienne mentioned was it sounds like he has been sort of placed in
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what's called the prone position, on his chest and on his stomach. you may remember this, anderson, oo even talking earlier in the covid pandemic about patients that were having a particularly hard time oxygenating even on the breathing many to facilitate that, sometimes they would roll patients on to their stomach to make that easier, which is what it sounds like they've done for him as well. when your heart is not beating well, fluid starts to back up. people get swollen ankles and stuff. that's a sign of backed up fluid. but that same fluid can also back up into the lungs. and that can make it very difficult to oxygenate somebody, and that's part of the reason they flip them over. he is sick. he is critically ill, as we've been hearing, and those are some of the manifestations of that. >> you talk about the electric rhythm of the heart. can you just explain how that gets interrupted, what that actually means? >> yeah. so when you think about the heart pumping, it's basically got four chambers. there is electrical activity
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that's coordinating the pumping of those chamber, and ultimately you're forcing blood from the heart into the assoorta, and th goes throughout the body. when the heart rhythm is abnormal, they call it fibrillation. it starts to fib late like this, and that's basically a very ineffective and inefficient amount of pumping. you're not really pumping blood through the body at all. that's the impact of an abnormal rhythm. in this case, something known as ventricular fibrillation. when you apply electricity, defibrillate, you can try and interrupt that and hopefully get a normal rhythm back to the heart. that's what it sounds like happened to him on the field. and again, as we just learned from adrienne, that happened again at the hospital. >> so would somebody who has had that happen, would they have to be on some sort of breathing ventilator? >> i think not necessarily. if someone immediately returns back to a normal rhythm and they
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wake up, they have normal consciousness, then perhaps not. but in this case, it sounds like he is still having a significant amount of cardiac dysfunction. his heart is simply not pumping enough blood. so there is two options here. you want to try and increase the function of the heart, and you can give medicines to try and do that, which i'm sure they're doing. the other thing is you can decrease the demand of the body for the oxygenated blood. you want to improve the amount of circulation. in the interim, you can indecrease the demand by sedating somebody, by keeping them on a breathing machine. sometimes they'll use cooling agents, hypothermia to basically almost put the body in more of a hibernation like state so it's not demanding as much oxygenated blood. that's part of the reason he would be on a breathing machine as well. and again, because the fluid is likely had been backing up into his body, including his lungs, it would be hard for him to breathe on his own. the breathing machine can help
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facilitate that. >> we don't know what caused this. obviously there had been -- he was involved in an attack. there had been a collision, even though they're wearing pads, a collision, a blunt force trauma -- it can affect the heart in that way. it can interrupt the electrical flow? >> yeah, it can. you know, we typically hear about this more in sports like baseball where you have a fast-moving projectile baseball orla cross or sports like even cricket. and then it hits the chest and hits the chest at the right spot at the right time causing that. to be honest, as we talked about last night, hadn't really heard about that happening in football as much. it's a little bit different. was there some sort of underlying problem that he had that had not yet been diagnosed? there had been stories for decades of athletes who had sudden cardiac arrest. and sometimes you may never really know why. there is not an obvious
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underlying cause that really declares itself. so we'll see in this case, and we'll see when the doctors do finally give some updates on him if there is an underlying obvious cause here. but it could be something like that. it could be something that he has a congenital abnormality that had not yet been diagnosed and this is the first time he was made aware of it. >> we wish him and his family the best. sanjay, appreciate. coming up, the nfl's response with legendary broadcaster and contributor bob costas. we'll be right back. at adp, we understand business today looks nothing like it did yesterday. while it's more unprictable, its possibilities are endless. from paying your people from anywhere to supporting your talent , we use data driven insights to design hr solutions and services
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again, we have the breaking news on the buffalo bills safety damar hamlin. his uncle telling cnn the 24-year-old had to be resuscitated twice last night. he remains first on the field and then at the hospital. he remains in the hospital tonight in critical condition, is still unable to breathe on his own after a blow to the head and chest area led to cardiac arrest on monday night football. meantime, the nfl today said the game between the buffalo bills and cincinnati bengals will not be resumed this week. no plan as of yet when or if the game will be played. consequential decision for both
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the team and the league. i'm joined by legendary broadcaster and cnn contributor bob costas to discuss the nfl's response. bob, first, i'm wondering your reaction when you saw what happened to damar hamlin last night. >> well, it's very, very rare. in fact, it is not more common in football, as sanjay said in the last segment, than it is in so-called projectile sports like baseball or hockey or lacrosse. so you can pin a lot of things on football, brain trauma, spinal cord injuries. this particular incident is not more likely to occur in a football game than in any other sporting event, at least not by percentage. it's rare overall, and it is not more common in football than in other competitive sports. when i saw it happen, it was clear to me that this was not the same thing as someone wobbling to their feet after being concussed like happened with tua earlier this season, the miami dolphins quarterback. it was clear to me that it was
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something different. and by the reaction of the players on both teams, you could see that it was significant. i think the league made the right decision in not continuing the game. no one, including the fans, was in a frame of mind to have this game continue. and although they haven't made an announcement yet, you alluded to it as you introduced me, anderson, what they might do about this game. i don't think anyone wants to see these two teams return to the scene in cincinnati of this traumatic event, especially when we don't know what the future holds for damar hamlin at this point. the most likely outcome here is that next week the bills play the patriots as scheduled. the bengals play the raven, and kansas city, the other team with a shot at the number one seed in the afc plays the raiders. and they never make up this particular game. so the bengals and the bills each wind up playing 16 games. the chiefs and other teams play 17, and they figure winning
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percentage, not wins and losses in total, but winning percentage. and whichever team has the highest winning percentage gets the number one seed. that's significant because seven teams in each conference make the play-offs. but only the team with the best record gets a first round bye. they don't have to play in the first round. and as long as they stay alive in the play-offs, they would be at home. so it makes a tremendous difference to get that number one seed. and the bengals, the bills and the chiefs are all in play for it. but it doesn't seem like there is any other option but to just eliminate this game. because if they went back for another week while everybody else sat idle, that would have a domino effect and all the play-offs would be moved back a week. they'd compress the two-week window they had between the last conference championship games and the super bowl. the most likely outcome, it seems, is that this game never gets replayed. obviously, they only played barely part of the first quarter. so it doesn't count. >> when it happened last night, as you said, it was different
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than what we have seen in other instances on the football field where he was able to get up. he seemed to get up normally. and then it was -- i don't know, a second or two later that he just collapsed. which -- it just was so sickening to actually see. had you ever seen anything like it? whether it's on football or somewhere else? >> no. when i was a very young reporter in st. louis, the cardinals now play in arizona. but they were the st. louis football cardinals then. they had a tight end named jb kane. during a training camp scrimmage, he had some sort of cardiac episode, but as i recall, not from contact. and he died on the field, or shortly thereafter, being taken off the field. i've never seen anything quite like this. and the whole nation, or at least a portion of the nation that football fans saw it, because it's the only game. it's monday night football. something we might point out here, anderson, is this. this could have happened in theory, rare as it is, in any
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football game. think of high school teams. almost none of which have the degree of sophisticated personnel and equipment that can be brought to bear at an nfl game, with an ambulance on hand, and in a city, not in some rural area perhaps, where you can get him to the best possible medical care quickly. by every report, they administered cpr in a very competent way. they had a defibrillator ready. they did everything they could, and still we don't know the outcome for mr. hamlin. if this happened in a high school game, very likely the player dies on the field. >> bob costas, i appreciate you joining us tonight. thank you. >> thanks. idaho hurt suspect brine kohlberger appeared in court today as he surfaced with one of his encounters with police weeks before his arrest. we have details on that next. and effortlessly responds to both of you. our smart sleepers get 28 minutes morore restful sleep per night. proven quality sleep.. only from sleep number. aubree: i'm aubree.
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idaho's quadruple murder suspect will be headed back to the state to face his charges. bryan kohberger is his name. he didn't fight extradition in a pennsylvania courtroom earlier. he's a criminology grad student. he's accused of stabbing four university of idaho students to death. he appeared to have mouthed "i love you" at one point to his family. weeks before he was arrested he was stopped twice by police on a long drive cross-country with his father. they didn't know at the time he was a suspect. they didn't know yet to be on the lookout for a white hyundai elantra. we now have body cam footage of one of those traffic stops on december 15th in indiana. >> license and registration. when you were driving by me -- >> that was more than a month after the murders. it was hard to hear. the officer told the suspect he was pulled over for driving too close to a truck it.
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cnn's jean casarez is outside the courthouse where kohberger appeared. what is the latest tonight following his appearance in court? >> reporter: well, he signed the papers, the extradition papers in court. so then the judge declared that he would be extradited to idaho. but that is the last we've heard. no one will confirm if he is still in pennsylvania, if he is in flight at all. if he is remaining here for the next few days. no one is confirming that. so we'll just have to wait because there are safety concerns and they have publicly told us on the record that they just don't want that released at this point because of all of those potential issues. >> you were sitting right behind his family in the courtroom i understand. what was their reaction? >> reporter: very emotional. stunned. they walked in. his mother was just distraught. she was sitting there. and when he walked in, he looked at his family but he looked directly at his father. and he acknowledged him.
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seriously. but his head was acknowledging him. he sat with his public defender, the chief public defender, turned around a second time, beelined for his father, looked at him. and then the third time he looked and turned around he he scanned his family and just sort of had a very faint smile. but when the proceedings started the president judge really started to question him, is this voluntary? have you been forced? have you been coerced? she really wanted to make sure it was freely and voluntarily because he has rights in pennsylvania and he can assert those. but he said it was. and she said, then you will be returned to idaho to face homicide charges for murder. his mother then just sort of fell into the shoulder of her daughter. you couldn't hear her, but she was crying so hard. the court brings over a kleenex because at this point the whole family is very emotional and the whole family, they're taking the
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kleenex. but after that then he signed the extradition papers and then it was almost official, but one thing that the defense attorney wanted to put on the record, which was very interesting, that the chief public defender of the county in idaho had filed under seal a motion in idaho that his fourth, fifth, and sixth amendment should be preserved. he should not be interrogated, he should not be searched, there should not be seizure, to protect him. and he was making the court aware of this, especially for that journey from the commonwealth of pennsylvania back to idaho. >> jean casarez, appreciate it. thank you. we started tonight's broadcast with the latest on all the drama around kevin mccarthy's three failed votes on the speakership. since we left that topic there have been a slew of new developments. that's next. ♪ ♪ it's what sanctuary could d look like... feel like... sound like... even smell like.
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a larnell number of pizzas have been seen going to kevin mccarthy's office tonight. easing the hunger perhaps but only adding to the heartburn as he tries to do now what he could not do leading up to three humiliating rejections on the house floor in his quest to become speaker. he's trying again to twist enough potentially untwistable republican arms to win 218 votes when the house comes back into
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