>> good evening, take a look. only half of that building is functioning normally tonight. the house of representatives has no speaker. the last hundred years, it has taken no more than a single ballot in the first and session to elect one. today the house republicans who are now the majority could not muster the vote to make not

muster the vote to make their leader, kevin mccarthy the speaker. instead, and a test of his capacity for humiliation, he sat there smiling at times as well surpassed three times. the results were red. >> the honorable hakeem jeffries of the state of new york has received 212. the honorable kevin mccarthy the honorable kevin mccarthy from the state of california has received 203. no persons having received a majority of the whole number of votes cast by surname, a speaker has not been elected. no person having received the majority of the whole number of votes cast by surname. a speaker has not been elected. a speaker has not been elected.

>> after the third rejection, republican moved to adjourn until noon tomorrow. this could all begin again. in 1923, it took nine ballots to choose a speaker. the record is 133 over two months in 1856. known expects it to go that long this time. but it was still historic and unprecedented in the modern era. it is also a repudiation of mccarthy's powers of persuasion. limited though they are brothers the majority. all that said, he was assuming that it wasn't just putting on a brave face. he still seems to have misjudged his support. in a letter to colleagues over the weekend, he signed it speaker designate. the irony being that was making one concession after another. the hard line is to win the vote. he did not get that today. and adding pathos to the irony, kevin mccarthy had already moved into the speaker's office. it was customary for an incoming majority. what's not customary is to lose a bid for the speaker. they then have to be obliged to move out. and fairness, it has not

happened yet. let's go first to cnn -- who has been talking to lawmakers all day. what are you hearing right now? >> well, right now kevin mccarthy is still in negotiations. i'm told that he is making phone calls to individual members. some of his own allies are reaching out to those detractors. and the republican conference is planning a meeting for tomorrow morning to discuss their way forward. they had a meeting this morning. it did not go well. in fact, a lot of detractors came an intense meeting. they say that they were going to oppose kevin mccarthy. they expected the opposition to grow. at that meeting they were urging them to vote for him. he made all kinds of concessions, he and his position and ultimately should have moved to that direction. the tension has just grown by the day. they are going after that critic they are not listening to them at the moment. listen to what these members are saying.

>> they are enemies now, they've made it clear that they prefer a democratic agenda over a republican i'm here to get things done to not be an advocate for chaos. a lot of it is done by fundraising. let's be clear and call it what it is. >> i'll be sticking with kevin, whether it's the third ballot, the fifth ballot, the 50th ballot, or the 100th ballot. >> and that's what ken mccarthy said he plans to do. at least he's signaling to his colleagues that he plans to grinded out one ballot after another, no matter how long it takes. but in a warning sign for him, anderson, republicans who are supporting him, some of them are saying they may not stick with him for that long. that is a real challenge for him going forward. one of those congressman, ken buck, tony eventually they need to find another candidate. and another sign for concern of his, that byron donalds, a republican from florida, was one of those who voted for mccarthy in the first two

ballots, but not on the third ballot. and that is a real fear among mccarthy allies in the opposition. >> and how are democrats feeling this? >> well, they have not made a decision yet on how to proceed. they do know that at the moment, it is planning to sit back and just kind of watched this chaos unfold. this house is paralyzed. it cannot move forward until they elect a speaker. that is the first order of business. that is what hakeem jeffries, the incoming democratic leader, told reporters this evening. he said we're looking for willing partners to solve republicans, solve problems for the american people, not save the republicans from their own dysfunction. so, there has been some talk, perhaps republicans and some democrats could join together and find some sort of consensus candidate. jeffries says those talks just simply are not happening. there's also other ways they could try to lower the voting threshold. so, 218 votes are now required to elect a speaker. perhaps it could be lower than that, if some members of the caucus voted present. that is not part of the discussion as well. but we will see. if this continues on, democrats may be only end on in some way

to help mccarthy. but they're not planning to bail him out at the moment, anderson. >> all right, manu raju, thank you, appreciate it, long day for you. and now -- mulvaney, acting chief of staff for the prior administration, former host carolina speaker, and founding member of the caucus. congressman mulvaney, what is your reaction to those three failed ballots for congress mccarthy? >> it's a complete breakdown here tonight, anderson. there is no question to have 19 votes against kevin is just outrageous. i talked to a bunch of the folks who voted against kevin. i asked them what their plan was. they do not seem to have, one other than to continue to vote against kevin. i asked them what they want, they don't seem to be coherent at that. i asked him who actually support, they don't have any names. i don't know it's anarchy or chaos, but it is certainly a breakdown in the system here in the united states house of representatives tonight. >> a number of them have votes who did vote for mccarthy, they've said it is not personal, oftentimes when people say it's not personal, it is. do you think it is personal? >> i think it's absolutely personal. in fact, i listen to them today

talk about things they don't like. and they're asking for things that kevin cannot give. they're complaining about things that are not kevin's fault. and there's sometimes asking for things that kevin has already agreed to give them. so, i absolutely believe it's personal. look, i challenge john boehner when he tried to be speaker in 2013. we did that because we felt like he was marginalized in the conservative wing of the party. fast for almost ten years, and here is kevin mccarthy trying to make jim jordan, one of most conservative members of the freedom caucus, a committee chairman, something we never would've dreamed about with john boehner being the speaker of the house. so, it's entirely different in 2013, which was sort of on policy and politics and principles. and this seems to be almost entirely personal. it's unfortunate. >> some of the things that mccarthy has agreed to would weaken him as the speaker. is it -- i mean, even if he is elected speaker, does he do himself tremendous damage by agreeing to those things? >> again, i don't think he's agreed to do it in principle, but i think he agreed to do it in exchange for votes.

and these folks don't seem to want to vote for him. so, i don't know where we stand. would kevin be a weekend speaker if he wins under the circumstances that he offered, under the conditions he often these folks? may be, but it was going to be a weak speakership anyway because of the nature of the margin, only a five vote margin on every single piece of legislation. and that's what i don't understand these folks who are opposing kevin. they're going to get the chance to be heard on every single rule vote, every single piece of legislation, every house resolution, because the margins are so tight, they have leverage almost all of the time. why they're choosing this battle, which i don't think they can win, it is really beyond the. >> so, is part of it also -- i mean, if it's personal, is it also about, i mean, frankly getting attention? >> i think there's some of that, unfortunately. look, both parties now seem to sort of elevate people who really like be outrageous. it's a great way to raise money. they like being on social media. it's a great way to sort of drive their numbers and so forth. so yeah, are we sort of both parties electing celebrities or

want to be celebrities or want to be media personalities instead of lawmakers? i think that's probably a fair claim. you cannot go into something like this, where 90% of your party has voted for kevin mccarthy in a closed room, and come out and oppose him for the wrong reasons, and really consider yourself a serious lawmaker. i just do not get it. >> our reporter for nbc posted on twitter tonight that he spoke with former president trump. he declined to say whether he'll stick with mccarthy, saying we'll see what happens. does it surprise you your former boss is unwilling to expand capital to come to mccarthy's aid, or would that help? >> no, and i think the president probably should be coming to mccarthy's aid, simply because the president is already associated with mccarthy, regardless of what the president does in the next 28 or 48 hours, everyone knows he supported mccarthy up to now. so, if kevin mccarthy is not the speaker, yeah, kevin mccarthy loses, there's no questions. i think the conservative and house, lose because you will get someone who's further to the left as speaker. but the other big loser is donald trump.

because everyone knows he's tied to kevin mccarthy. he wasn't tied to kevin mccarthy as closely as say he was tied to herschel walker, but it was close. and mccarthy loss equals a trump loss here in the u.s. house. you are >> you are one of the founding members of the freedom caucus. you were arguing earlier that they should not be paid with a broad brush. and the majority voted for mccarthy. how do you square the values the caucus represents with the actions some members are taking gets mccarthy? >> yeah, the freedom caucus was started, anderson in the working title used to be that the reasonable nut job caucus. we are the folks who want to take the time to think things through. we want to vote with leadership, as we thought was by the plan, we would've. we want to vote against leadership, because i was part of a plan. we try to position ourselves as the reasonable right-wing extreme at the party. i think that's completely broken down, to the extent you saw today. again, this was not a freedom caucus opposition to kevin mccarthy, the majority of the freedom caucus, to the extent they published their names was for ken mccarthy. but there are a lot of folks in there that i don't think are true to what we made the

freedom caucus. but i've been on here for six years, and it changes with every congress. so yeah, i think it's very different building than i left here six years ago. >> congressman mulvaney, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thanks, anderson. >> join me now senior political contests atop obama advisor david axelrod, -- former pennsylvania congressman charlie dent, farther north gone -- jones. dave, it is tomorrow's vote going to be much different in today's? >> you know, i don't see how honestly. i don't know what's going on in those rooms other than a lot of pizza and chick-fil-a, according to reports. but you know, there is such ingrained opposition among those 20 that voted against mccarthy that it's really hard to see, after he's given them virtually everything they asked for that they're going to turn around overnight. and the question is, maybe he will, maybe they will. the question is, how long will it go before his allies, some of his allies peel away and say,

kevin, we love you man, but it's just not there for you. i thought it was telling by the way, that trump started pulling away -- to maybe. kevin which reflects what mccarthy's right now. >> neil, do you think there's any scenario under which mccarthy bows out? >> i think if tomorrow you start to see some of these moderates peel away, is it live, ten unsuccessful votes, and folks there to go to him and say it does not look like you've got a path, because these 20 or so folks really seem to be dug in. they've done this before two other speakers. this is what they do. in that there is no way for it for you. i think he would not have any choice but to pull out at that point. because there is just no path. he has been at this, you know, for many years. and at this very doggedly for the last two or three months or so. and very much engaging with

these hard-liners over the last couple of days. and nothing has happened. nothing is moving his way. so at some point, the writing is gonna be on the wall. >> in fact, congressman denim, it's moving the. opposite it started with 19 against him, and it will be 20 by the end of the. day >> gamut, even expected that there would be maybe five, maybe a little more than that. and i think we were all surprised to see the number grow in size to 19, and then 20. so we're, going to go into tomorrow. we'll see what the first looks. like maybe it still at 20. and i suspect one of two things are gonna happen at some point. either the 19 or 20 are going to cave, are mccarthy will have to bow out. i mean, i don't see much of a middle ground here right now. somebody's would have to move. i am not betting that those 20 guys are going to move, because they are pretty darn stubborn. i think they are relishing their moment in the spotlight right now. so, i don't know that mccarthy can give them anything that he hasn't already offer them. he'll never be able to satisfy them. >> congressman jim. >> i think people have to stop being surprised.

i was baffled by your interview with mulvaney, because he describes at least at the founding of the freedom caucus, as it as this reasonable right-wing extreme caucus. i mean, come on. so eventually, you're gonna have enough people who don't believe the federal government exists, that when you finally empower them through a slight margin like we're seeing right now in the house of representatives, you're gonna see these kinds of tactics deployed. in this case, for deeply personal reasons, i believe, based on what, you know, what he's conceded to, and what they are requesting, which are things that in most instances he cannot do. >> it certainly tells you about -- just a sign of things. become regardless of what happens to mccarthy, whoever ends up being speaker, it tells you where the next two years are gonna be like on the republican side in the house. >> absolutely, i don't see how they expect to deal with the debt ceiling, for example, which is a looming consideration. to say nothing of simply

organizing committees. i, mean the day-to-day functioning of congress occurs at the committee level. and you cannot put people on the appropriations committee are on the ethics committee, which they're trying to cut, by the way, and the rules package, which is a separate scandal, once the speaker is finally selected, then i don't see how you can run on anything in 2024 that you've done. >> you, know i just want to pick up on the debt ceiling issue. that would be catastrophic if we breach the debt ceiling. but if mccarthy probably recognizes that at some level, relies on democratic votes to do it, that undoubtedly would bring out this five vote ability to call his whole speakership into question, to vacate the speaker's chair. this is a rule that he has agreed to -- >> he's agreed to this rule that was -- >> any five could demand a vote to vacate the speaker's chair. it's what drove john boehner

from the speakers ship. >> at that time, at one person can make the motion. now in the new proposal, it's five. pelosi, the democrats, they took it up to 50. so, they bring it back down to five. i mean, again, why would kevin mccarthy hand the rope to his opponents, with which they could hang up? that's what he's doing. this is incredibly short sighted, i think, to make these types of concessions. i mean, i just -- >> so, what is, what happens tomorrow? who is the alternative? >> well, they don't have an alternative. frankly, either side right now. but everyone i think is speculating steve scalise is -- >> mulvaney said he doesn't think scalise could get the votes. >> well, he might not be able to get the votes. but will probably get more votes than mccarthy is getting right now. by the way, there's no better bomb thrower than mick mulvaney. i served with him. this is a guy who voted against john boehner for speaker. i mean, mick mulvaney, mark meadows, and jim jordan, where the guys who work the textbook on how to obstruct the majority. and all witnessing here today is really a continuation of

what we saw since 2011. this is the same thing, except it's worse. because there is a smaller margin and they're more wild man. >> we will have more to talk about with 18 here in new york. everyone will stick around. also tonight, seeing an update on the condition of buffalo bills safety damar hamlin, who clapped on the field last. night detailed new reporting about what he went through last night and still going through right now the hospital. plus, we'll get perspective from our own doctor sanjay gupta. is here to support all your “ands.” national university. supporting the whole you.

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history making -- kevin mccarthy in his midterm to come in the speaker of the house. part of it was watching this florida congressman, matt gaetz, nominating jim jordan for speaker. >> mr. jordan said we must engage in rigorous oversight, every one of my republican colleagues knows that the person who can lead that oversight effort, who works on it every day, who has the skill and the talent and the will is jim jordan. i'm nominating him and i am voting for him. >> kevin mccarthy was sitting three seats away. back now with david axelrod, charlie dent, and charlie jones. -- charlie, the fact that the former president is backing away, some have said that suggests the former president should do more for mccarthy, how do you see it? >> maybe more of a traditionalist, i believe that the house leadership election is an election among house members. and they should be where the debate is. presidents of the united states,

especially former presidents of the united states, should not be involved in that selection process. you would have never seen either the bushes or reagan or barack obama or bill clinton intervene in a house leadership election. all they can do is make enemies. i think this is a terrible precedent. if you are relying on trump to become the next speaker, he's going to own you in the next congress, that's the mistake they are making. >> i mean, clearly, kevin mccarthy has lied, desperately try to align himself with trump, even after condemning him for the january 6th insurrection, he quickly reversed himself. >> to the point of now being referred to the ethics committee for his conduct with respect to the january 6th investigation. i don't know what he has got to show for his antics over these past two years. >> the rub here is mccarthy's most vulnerable members are in districts where trump is not popular. where is mccarthy's loyalty going to be, to the former president, who helped him get there, or the more moderate

members who need to distance themselves from trump? this is the dilemma kevin has to deal with. those guys in marginal districts you know trump is the kiss of death. >> we are witnessing the fallout from the trump administration. and the fallout from what is happening in the republican party. >> 100 percent. this is a microcosm of the challenge that the republican party has faced, and they know they need to quit trump if they are going to be successful. this last midterm proved this. they need to distance themselves from trump. but he still carries a lot of sway within the base of the party and there is great fear about primary elections and mccarthy's case, there was fear he could turn members against him in his bid for speaker. this is an ongoing dilemma. it's obviously coming to a head because trump is running for president again. >> whatever if mccarthy makes it, i think his speakership is going to preside over investigations that are very pleasing to donald, trump pleasing to the base, investigations into dr. fauci, investigations into hunter biden. if you are moderates, you know

that will not help you get reelected. that will not help a republican brand with independents who turned against republicans in droves in 2022. >> congressman jones, cnn is reporting moderate republicans already laying the groundwork for a long shot play of potentially teaming up with democrats in the coming days if there is the holdout with the gop. would democrats go for the type of concession candidate? >> i think that remains to be seen. i think it would not happen without the blessing of hakeem jeffries. and so, you know, that's a calculation that i'm sure is probably incomplete. in the first instance, people will want to see whether they are able to rally around another republican candidate within the house gop before we are thinking democratic votes are even necessary. i think it's a bit premature. >> i mean, it would be hard to see republicans going for that and certainly a lot of democrats. >> i will tell you what, if i am hakeem jeffries, hey, if i can help deliver a speaker,

what does he get for it? could he get a power sharing arrangement? could he control some committees? guarantees on certain legislation? it's not probable that this would happen. but if i'm jeffries, why not be the powerbroker? >> can i ask a question, though? if you are mccarthy and his people, to be very machiavellian about it, is this not a good story to have out there right now that, boy, if you guys don't get on board here, we may see deal cutting. we could lose the whole thing. >> that's why when don bacon floated that idea, congressman don bacon of nebraska, he floated the idea of consensus bipartisan speaker, there is no

question mccarthy left that out. there that might force these hard-liners back into the poll if we had to deal with a shared arrangement with democrats. that was clearly, i'm sure mccarthy loves that conversation we're having right now. he thinks that might bring some of those 19. >> it goes again to mccarthy's failed strategy all along. it's kind of a cockamamie idea that the democrats will help under some sort of consensus candidate. that has been a bad strategy going on fox news and having establishment folks really hammer some of the hard-liners and nothing has worked so far. he is just bad at trying to become speaker. the folks blocking him have been very good at blocking speakers and running them out of town. >> anderson, david axelrod, thank you so much. mondaire jones, we are going to take a short break from our coverage of the speakers. race coming up the latest in the buffalo bills safety damar hamlin who collapsed and suffered a cardiac arrest after a brutal hit during monday

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he remains in critical condition tonight. he suffered a cardiac arrest after taking a blow to the chest and head area while trying to make a tackle during a play on monday night football. he got up after the hit and almost immediately fell backwards. cpr was performed on the field. he was then taken away by ambulance. in a moment, doctor sanjay gupta joins us to talk about his medical condition. bob costas will join us to talk about the nfl's response last night. first, we go to cincinnati where cnn's adrienne broaddus is breaking the news about damar hamlin after speaking with a family member. what have you learned? >> his uncle telling me, anderson, just outside the hospital here that his nephew had to be resuscitated twice. once on the football field last night and then again when he was transported here to the hospital. as you mentioned, he suffered a cardiac arrest. within seconds, trainers were at his side and medics performing cpr. his uncle telling me his nephew sustained damage to his lungs because of the chest

compressions. he is saying right now he is flipped over, the way he described it inside of the hospital, on his stomach to relieve some of that pressure from his lungs. here is more from our conversation. >> his heart had went out. they had to resuscitate him twice. they resuscitated him on the field before they took him to the hospital. he was resuscitated a second time when he got to the hospers. >> his uncle saying he and the entire family that has been at damar's the bedside believe in the power of prayer. their plea for the public tonight is to keep those prayers coming, he said. without the medical attention and the staff that is working so hard here, he believes his nephew would not be here with us tonight. he's inside this hospital still in critical condition, sedated, fighting for his life, anderson. >> i assume his family is still

with him tonight? >> his family is here. just moments ago we met three women who identified themselves as his aunt. they were at what i like to call the get well soon corner, which is just in front of the hospital here. there were balloons and messages of hope and healing. the family said their nephew is fighting but they have been here with him, including his mother, who rode in the ambulance with her son last night to the hospital. she was in the field, in the stadium, excuse me, when her son collapsed. >> adrienne broaddus, appreciate it. thank you very much. more now from cnn's chief medical correspondent, doctor sanjay gupta. from a medical standpoint, what's your reaction to what hamlin's uncle told adrienne about what happened? >> there were two things, i think, anderson, that jumped out at me. that, first of all, the idea that he had to be resuscitated a second time. we know that he had his heart rhythm restored when he was on the field, which was good news

because you want to do that as quickly as possible. sounds like the medical team was able to do that while he was still in the stadium. by the time he got to the hospital, he was unstable again, it sounds like. his electrical rhythm was unstable again and he had to be resuscitated again. that gives you an idea of just how much damage or impact there has been on his heart overall. again, as we talked about last night, anderson, we don't know the underlying cause here, and what is really driving that. that's going to be an important thing to note. we don't know that in terms of what that means for him going forward. the second thing that adrienne mentioned was that it sounds like he has been placed in what is called the prone position, on his chest and stomach. you may remember this, anderson, we were talking earlier in the covid pandemic about patients who were having a particularly hard time oxygenating on the machine. to try to facilitate that, sometimes they would roll patients onto their stomach to make that easier.

which is what it sounds like they have done for him as well. when your heart is not beating well, you start to -- fluid starts to backup. some people get swollen ankles and stuff. that is a sign of backed up fluid. that same fluid can also back up into the lungs. it can make it very difficult to oxygenate somebody. that's part of the reason they flipped him over. it speaks to -- he is sick. he is critically ill. those are manifestations of that. >> you talked about the electric rhythm of the heart. can you explain how that gets interrupted and what that actually means? >> yeah. when you think about the heart pumping, it's basically four chambers. electrical activity is coordinating the pumping of those chambers. ultimately, you are forcing blood from the heart into the aorta. that goes throughout the body. when the heart rhythm is

abnormal, and they call it fibrillation's, instead of having normal pumping like this, it starts to fibrillate like this. that's basically a very ineffective and inefficient amount of pumping. you are not pumping blood through the body at all. that is the impact of an abnormal rhythm, in this case something known as ventricular fibrillation. when you apply electricity, d formulate, you'll use a defibrillator, you can try to interrupt that and get a normal rhythm back to the heart. that's what it sounds like happened to him on the field. again, as we just learned from adrian, that happened again at the hospital. >> would somebody who has had that happen, when they have to be on some sort of breathing, ventilator? >> not necessarily. if someone immediately returns back to normal rhythm and they wake up with a normal consciousness, then perhaps not. in this case, it sounds like he is still having a significant amount of cardiac dysfunction, his heart is not pumping enough blood.

there are two options here. you have to try and increase the function of the heart. you give medicine to try to do that, which i am sure they are doing. the other thing you can do and it's probably happening is you can decrease the demand of the body for the oxygenated blood. you want to improve the amount of circulation. in the interim, you decrease the demand by stating somebody and keeping them on a breathing machine. sometimes they will even use cooling agents. hypothermia, it is called. basically, almost put the body in more of a hibernation like state so it is not demanding as much oxygenated blood. that is part of the reason he would be on a breathing machine as well. again, because the fluid is likely backing up into his body, including his lungs, it would be hard for him to breathe on his own. the breathing machine can help facilitate that. >> again, we don't know what caused this. obviously, there has just been -- he was involved in a tackle there, a collision. even though they are wearing pads, a collision, a blunt force trauma can effect the

heart in that way. it can interrupt the electrical flow. >> yeah. it can. we typically hear about this more in sports like baseball, where you have a fast moving projectile baseball or la crosse, sports like even cricket and then it hits the chest and at the right spot at the right time, causing that to be honest, as we talked about last night, i had not heard about that happening in football as much. it's a little bit different. was there some sort of underlying problem he had that had not been diagnosed? there have been stories for decades of athletes who had certain cardiac arrests. sometimes, you may not know why. there is not an obvious underlying cost that declares. itself we will see in his case. we will see what the doctors finally get updates on him, if there is an underlying obvious cause. here it could be something like that. it could be something that he

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-- at the hospital. he remains hospitalized tonight, in critical condition, still unable to breathe on his own after a blow to the head and chest area led to cardiac arrest on monday night football. meanwhile, the nfl said the game will not be resumed this week. no plan as of yet when or if the game will be played. consequential decision for both the team and a league. i am joined now by bob costas to discuss the nfl's response. first, i want to hear your reaction when you saw what happened to damar hamlin last night. >> well, it is very, very rare.

in fact, it is not more common in football, as sanjay said in the last segment, as it is in so-called projectile sports like baseball or hockey or lacrosse. so, you can pin a lot of things on football. brain trauma, spinal cord injuries. this particular incident is not more likely to occur in a football game than any other sporting event. at least not five percentage. it is rare overall. and it is not more common in football than in other competitive sports. when i saw it happen, it was clear to me that this was not the same thing as someone wobbling to their feet after being concussed like happened with tua earlier this season, miami dolphins quarterback. it was clear to me that it was something different. by the reaction of the players on both teams, you could see that it was significant. i think the league made the right decision and not continuing the game. no one, including the fans, was in the frame of mind to have this game continue. and although they have not made

an announcement yet, you alluded to it as you introduced me, anderson, what they might do about this game. i don't think anyone wants to see these two teams return to the scene in cincinnati of this traumatic event, especially when we don't know what the future holds for him at this point. the most likely outcome here is that next week, the bills play the patriots as scheduled. the bengals play the ravens and kansas city, the other team with a shot at the number one seed in the afc, place the rioters. and they never make up this particular game. the bengals and the bills both end up playing 16 games. the chiefs and others play 17. they figure winning percentage, not wins and losses in total, but winning percentage. and whichever team has the highest winning percentage gets the number one seed. that is significant because 17th in each conference make the playoffs. but only the team with the best record gets a first round by. they don't need to play in the first round and as long as they

stay alive in the playoffs, they would be at home. so, it makes a tremendous difference to get that number one seed and the bengals, the bills, and the chiefs, are all in play for it. it does not seem like there's any other option but to just eliminate this game because if they went back for another week, while everybody else that i don't, that would have a domino effect and all the playoffs would be moved back a week. they would compress the two -week window that they have between the last conference championship game and the super bowl. the most likely outcome, it seems, is that this game just never gets replayed. obviously, we only played barely part of the first quarter so does not count. >> when it happened last night, as you said, it was different than what we have seen in other incidents on the football field, where he was able to get up. he seemed to get up normally. and then, it was -- a second or two later. he just collapsed. it was so sickening to actually see. have you ever seen anything like it?

whether it was on the football field or somewhere else? >> no. when i was a very young reporter in st. louis, the cardinals, who now play and arizona -- they had a tight and, and during a training camp scrimmage, he had some sort of cardiac episode, but as i recall, not from contact. and he died on the field or shortly thereafter, being taken off the field. but i've never seen anything quite like this and the whole nation or at least a portion of the nation inside. it is the only game. it's monday night football. something we might point out here is this. this could have happened in theory, rare as it is, in any football game. think of high school teams. almost none of them have the degree of sophisticated personnel and equipment that could be brought to bear at an nfl game. with an ambulance on hand and in a city, not in some rural area, perhaps, we can get them to the best possible medical care quickly by every report,

they administered people -- cpr in a very competent way. they did everything they could. and still we don't know the outcome. if this happened in a high school game, very likely the player dies on the field. >> i appreciate you joining us tonight. thank you. a quadruple murder suspect bryan kohberger appeared in court today. as new video surfaced of one of his encounters with police weeks before his arrest. we'll have details on that, next.

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love you at one point to his family. weeks before, he was arrested, he was stopped twice by police on a long drive cross country with his father. they did not know at his time that he was a suspect. they did not know they had to be on the lookout for a white hyundai elantra. we now have body cam footage of one of the traffic stops on december 15th in indiana. >> can we get your license registration? you're stopping, you driving by me there, here -- back in this trailer. >> that was more than a month after the murders. it was hard to hear. the officer told the suspect he was pulled over for driving too close to a truck. cnn's jeanne cazares is outside the courthouse where kohberger appeared today. joins us. now what is the latest, following his appearance in court? >> well, he signed the papers, the extradition papers in court. so, the judge declared that you'd be extradited to idaho. but that is the last we heard.

no one will confirm if he is still in pennsylvania, if he is in-flight, at all, if he is remaining here for the next few days, no one is confirming that. so, we'll just have to wait. because there were safety concerns. and they have publicly told us on the record that they just don't want that released at this point because of all those potential issues. >> he was sitting right behind his family in the courtroom, i understand. what was the reaction? >> very emotional, stunned. they walked in. his mother was just distraught. she was sitting there. and when he walked in, he looked at his family, but he looked directly at his father. and he acknowledged him, seriously, but his head was acknowledging him. he sat with his public defender, the chief public defender, turnaround a second time, be lined for his father, looked at him. and then the third time, he looked in turnaround, he scanned his family, just sort of had a very faint smile.

but when the proceedings started, the presiding judge really started to question him. is this voluntary? have been forced? have you been coerced? she really want to make sure it was freely and voluntarily. because he has writes in pennsylvania, and he can assert those. but he says it. was and she said he will be returned to idaho to face homicide charges for murder. his mother and then just sort of fell into these shoulder of her daughter. you can't hear her, but she was crying so hard. the court brings over a kleenex, because at this point, the whole family is very emotional. and the whole family, they are taking the kleenex. but after that, and then he signed the extradition papers. and then it was almost official. but one thing to the defense attorney wanted to put on the record, which was very interesting, was that the chief public defender of a county in idaho had filed under seal a motion in idaho that his fourth,

fifth, and sixth amendment should be preserved. he should not be interrogated. he should not be search. there should not be seizure. to protect him, and was making the court aware this, especially for that journey from the commonwealth of pennsylvania back to aida -- idaho. >> she cazares,. appreciate we started tonight's broadcast with the latest on all the drama on kevin mccarthy's three failed votes for the speakership. since we left that topic, there have been a slew of new developments. that's next. and we know 80% of couples sleep too hot or too cold. introducing the new sleep number climate 360 smart bed. the only smart bed in the world that actively cools, warms, and effortlessly responds to both of you. our smart sleepers get 28 minutes more restful sleep per night. proven quality sleep. only from sleep number.

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♪ a large number of pizzas have been seen going to kevin mccarthy's office. easing the hunger perhaps, but only added to the hartman as he tries to do now what he could not do leading up to three humiliating rejections on the house floor in his quest to become speaker. he is trying again to twist some potentially twist-able republican arms. when the house comes back in session tomorrow. just a short time ago, cnn's manu raju reports there would be a republican conference meeting tomorrow morning. that however, we understand has now changed. i want to go now to cnn's melanie zanona at the capitol but new reporting on that. and mccarthy's frame of mind as well. melanie, what have you learned? >> things have not moved in kyiv mccarthy's dire