a large number of pizzas have been seen going to kevin mccarthy's office. easing the hunger perhaps, but only added to the hartman as he tries to do now what he could not do leading up to three humiliating rejections on the house floor in his quest to become speaker. he is trying again to twist some potentially twist-able republican arms. when the house comes back in session tomorrow. just a short time ago, cnn's manu raju reports there would be a republican conference meeting tomorrow morning. that however, we understand has now changed. i want to go now to cnn's melanie zanona at the capitol but new reporting on that. and mccarthy's frame of mind as well. melanie, what have you learned? >> things have not moved in kyiv mccarthy's direction since

that third ballot, where he failed to get the votes. it's been back to the drawing board for ken mccarthy and his allies. we have seen supporters going into his office. we are told he has been working the phones. he still hoping to negotiate and not planning to drop out. but meanwhile, i spoke to a gop lawmaker. this is some breaking news here. this lawmaker texted me and said this is someone who supported mccarthy. they said they have just gotten a phone call from one of the never kevin republicans, who is trying to grow their opposition and is trying to get that number to flip. essentially what you have here is kevin mccarthy and his office in the capital, trying to get to 218. and you have this opposition digging in and trying to work directly against him. look, this is one of the potential drawbacks of doing the motion to adjourn. there is a lot of concern initially about whether, if they were to send members home, about whether the opposition would have time to grow, when gop law maker said to me, mccarthy sent us home for the night for a pressure cooker and the pressure is against him. that just really exemplifies where we are right now. >> we won't know what way the needle has --

[inaudible] >> yes. that is right. you know, it is 9:00 at night at this point and they are still in active discussions. i don't expect a resolution tonight. there is talk about whether they would have a conference meeting tomorrow. there's been so much back and forth. they were going to have one. now they're not. that is still up in the air. it shows that kevin mccarthy is really scrambling right now. he does not have a clear path forward. they are still trying to figure things out. but it is very possible that tomorrow is like groundhog day. we wake up. there is another conference meeting and they have more votes and mccarthy still can't get there. >> it's interesting. there was a conference meeting this morning where kevin mccarthy spoke to members. that did not seem to actually help him, if anything, it seemed to hurt. >> actually, anderson, i talked to some republicans, who are supporting him, who thought

that strategy back fired. and some of the critics walking or that meeting said exactly. that they are really more entrenched in their because mccarthy really took his critics to task in that meeting. there were people cheering him on and they wanted to see him going after these critics because mccarthy has given them every concession. and yet, they have still not given anything in return. there is a lot of frustration that built up at that point. but it did not do mccarthy any favors. it is unclear what a conference meeting would do for mccarthy. i think that is part of the calculation here. and deciding whether or not you have these big meetings -- those are not where negotiations will happen. those are venting sessions. if there will be progress, it will be in private one-on-one phone calls. >> appreciate it. long day for you. thank you. joining us, now abby philip -- joe walsh -- mark sanford -- and howard, even former vermont governor -- abby, let me start with you, do you think there is a path forward for mccarthy? >> if there is a path, it will be really just a matter of lock

and it should be noted, kevin mccarthy is actually a lottery win it -- winner in his teens. he knows a little bit about luck. i think tonight and tomorrow is going to be all about what tricks you can pull out of his hat and what kinds of concessions he can come up with. and literally, i think at this point, for these members, the conservatives, the 20 members who have pushed back against him, they are really in a position now, where mccarthy is offering them quite a lot. he is offering them extraordinary power, perhaps unprecedented in the modern history of speakers. and it is a question right now about whether they will take what could be a really good deal and some of them might not. some of them simply do not like kevin mccarthy very much. but i think that if there are people in the 20, who actually want something tangible. they want rules changes. they want committee positions. they want assurances of specific kinds. they could certainly get that.

we will find out over the next day or so how much further mccarthy is willing to go to start whittling this group of 20 down. he needs to get them down to about four, otherwise, this will not happen for him. >> congressman, do you think any of those 20's really have anything specific they want or it is just personal and they likely position they're in right now and it is not about a particular committee assignment? >> no. anderson, they want a scalp. plain and simple. they want a scalp. part of this is kevin mccarthy 's fault. but a big part of it is not. kevin mccarthy, anderson, has never had a court. he has a history of saying anything to anyone. and what that is done over the years is really, no member of

the republican caucus trusts him. even people who support him. but anderson, the aspect of this that is not his fault is, look, the republican party base is fully radicalized and republicans in the house represent that radicalized base. this is a long time coming. it started with tea party folks like me back in 2010, but this party now is not at all where kevin mccarthy is. he is just so out of touch. >> congressman sanford, we heard melanie's report, both sides hunker down, whipping votes tonight. do you think it was a wise decision strategically to adjourn? >> no. i think it's a mistake. i think this is one of those nights when you drag folks through the muck of the legislative process. you are up to 3:00 in the morning. people are tired. bladders are full. and headaches are there. they are ready to get out of their. you can pick up a couple of votes that way. i don't understand the strategy

except it is the end of the night and we are beginning again tomorrow. i don't get it. >> governor, do you think do you think there's any reason you think democrats would help mccarthy get over the finish line? the goal is to get it working for the american people. >> no. i do not think so. the problem is exactly what congressman welch said. he has no core and he never has had a core. i am the least expert person on this panel, regarding this particular matter. never being a washington politician. but it seems to me that the likelihood is that scalise, or somebody like that, who at least stands for something. i don't like what he stands for. but he wants to get something done. i think that if the present candidate for speaker becomes the speaker, nothing is going to get done in the house. he will not have a workable majority to do it. i just don't see how this works at all. >> governor, it is interesting.

you bring up, he has no core, which is what congressman walsh was saying, but even the people who he debased himself to, who he sort of humiliated himself to in order to get something, they even don't like him because he has no core. matt gaetz said he had -- kind of sell shares in himself. it is kind of a lesson and leadership. >> it is. the big difference between mccarthy and nancy pelosi. she had a core. if you cross, or you would know exactly what that court would do. you need to have that asked beaker. i don't think mccarthy has the backbone to do the job, even if he should get it and i don't think he will. >> before -- there is an nbc report saying that former president trump would not say if he is standing by his endorsement of mccarthy. i don't know if anyone should be surprised by that. but certainly most of, all can mccarthy. >> i don't think anybody is really surprised. this has been one of those interesting things. when i talk to republicans about this, trump is privately

backing mccarthy. he is quietly backing mccarthy. but he is not using the full force of his bully pulpit to really twist the arms of a group that, frankly, loves him. these are his people. he could be doing more and he is not. i thought that his comments to nbc were telling because he does not want to be on the side of a loser and i think what he told me is that he does not think that mccarthy will pull this out and he does not want to be with someone -- >> what does this tell you about what it will be like in the house for the next two years in terms of getting stuff done? >> this may be a really boring take. but i don't think it really matters which republican ultimately become speaker. because the maga trumpist wing of this country, and it's no

longer a wing, it is the party in the house, they are going to control the next two years no matter who the speaker is they want to investigate hunter biden's laptop. they want dr. fauci scalped. it really doesn't matter who the speaker is. because the speaker is not going to be able to stop any of that. >> congressman sanford, even if mccarthy does ultimately win, he has given away a lot of his power. he could be challenged at any moment. >> yeah. and, to congressman waltz's point, this is going to be a thankless job for whoever gets that. you do not have a majority. who would want the job is probably a much bigger question. and i go back to where we are. when you have been in three rounds in the vote for speakership, it is not about trading off for a road or a bridge at this point. folks are locked in. they have been embarrassed and pushed and battered and cajoled by their peers.

they are worn out. and they get in a lockdown position that is very difficult to unearth. maybe five or ten. but to get down to that last four or five, i think it is near impossible. i would agree. >> appreciate it. thank you. coming up next, the latest on the medical condition of damar hamlin. a conversation with a friend of him. and perspective from former buffalo bills captain cody wire. , later the extradition hearing in pennsylvania for the killer of four university of idaho students. what he said, and when he is returned to idaho. we'll have a live report. and effortlessly responds to both of you. our smart sleepers get 28 minutes more restful sleep per night. proven quality sleep. only from sleep number.

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saw. then later, at the hospital. also, his uncle says that he has been flipped on his stomach to reduce the pressure on his lungs. damar hamlin it is in critical condition after a severe hit to the chest at monday night football. he collapsed on the field and suffered cardiac arrest. it was an awful moment witnessed by millions. we will talk to sanjay gupta in a moment. plus, former nfl players weigh in on what we all saw last night. first, we want to spend time with someone who knows damar hamlin personally. he is a friend and marketing representative. i spoke to him before airtime. >> jordan, i appreciate you joining us. i know you spent time at the hospital with damar's family. his uncle is just telling cnn that damar hamlin had to be resuscitated at the hospital. that is -- and obviously on the field as well, do you know anything more about his condition? how he is doing right now? >> no, i do not. i have been doing interviews

the past few hours. and we are not going to officially comment on his medical condition until we have a major update. >> how is his family holding up? >> they are ... they're strong. they are strong individuals. it is one of the best support systems i think anyone could have. and they know damar, so they are optimistic based on knowing their son. >> there is a gofundme toy drive that damar started back in 2020. it has been receiving a huge surge in donations. can you talk a little bit about where that is at now? and what damar was initially raising the money for. >> yes. so, back when he was a college student, he wanted to have a toy drive, so he started a gofundme with his first nfl paycheck. he has had one every year. he has to, one in pittsburgh, one in buffalo. i think when he was injured, people were looking for something to support.

and that was the only thing that was available at the time. everyone just started giving to that. so, it is not just going to a toy drive. it is going to a back to school program. he does a summer program. summer camp. his foundation really helps to support young people chasing their dreams in pittsburgh. >> you have known damar a long time, i understand. what is he like? what should people know about him? >> yeah, i mean ... you can see even just the response of the people who do know him. this is someone who is selfless. he is charismatic. he is super caring. he is always looking out for others. it doesn't matter how he is feeling, what went on that day. giving himself to others, making sure other people in the room feel welcomed, feel appreciated, feel inspired. that is who he is, and he is extremely driven.

he is his own brand, his own company. he is always sending me ideas of things that he wants to do. he has an active mind. i think this has been a huge advantage for him in life. >> i appreciate talking to you, again. and i am sorry that it is under the circumstances. >> thank you. >> i'm joined now by cnn coy wire, a former buffalo bills player. coy, you spoke to the buffalo bills, what do they tell you about how everyone is doing? >> anderson, after speaking with people here within the organization, this team is exhausted, as you can imagine. physically, spiritually, emotionally, after watching their teammate damar hamlin neven digging to have his heartbeat restored on the field in front of them. the team did not land here in buffalo until 3:30 in the morning this morning. and they are still processing what they witnessed. i am told that they are in a wait and see mode. players, coaches, alike. they have no idea what the hours ahead might hold, anderson. and that is a feeling that they do not like.

i am told head coach shaw mcdermott may choose to speak tomorrow to bring more context to the situation. understandably, he may not be ready. they still have a young man in critical condition, and damar hamlin fighting for his life in the hospital. >> the buffalo bills have very loyal followers and fans. the response to what has happened has been extraordinary. >> yeah, the moment you land here in buffalo at the airport, you are walking through and you see signs and t-shirts, pray for damar. the buffalo sabers are playing tonight. the players are wearing t-shirts with his number on it. those words on it. there were prayer services in both cincinnati and here today, in buffalo. all the people speaking today were asked to try to give some hope and inspiration in this moment. one of them was joe kelly, wife of legend bill kelly. here is what she had to say: >> coming from a football family,

coming from the bill's family, we were broken. and jim was a wreck. it is family. and damar is family to us and we consider him a brother. >> damar it is on their minds and in the prayers of so many people here in buffalo and beyond. and i heard you mention the gofundme. his charity was aiming to raise, now upto $5 million that speaks volumes of how people are feeling about this young man. >> i appreciate talking to you. thank you so much. >> more on the injuries two damar hamlin and a report on the nfl safety record when it comes to players when we come back.

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think people forget that. they look at these players more as commodity sometimes. >> it's a sport that has almost been celebrated for its violence. in fact, legend has it that mid shipment, joseph mason reeves, a football star at the u.s. naval academy, was warned by his doctor that another big hit to the head could lead to, quote, instant insanity. but so desperate to play in the army navy game of 1893, he had a shoemaker create the first helmet, a mosque in cap with your flaps. it was little more than a leather sock over the head, providing little protection. the game graduated from college campuses to form the national football league in 1920. but helmets of any sort would not be required in the league for another 23 years. and it was at least another decade before face masks were incorporated. but even with more advanced equipment, the game continued to take a physical toll on

players, especially when it came to their heads. >> we hit the head. we play with the head. >> but in 2002, former pittsburgh steeler mike webster died and was diagnosed at autopsy with chronic traumatic encephalopathy. the neuro development -- linked to repeated had injuries. he was the first nfl player diagnosed with cte. and those three letters would forever change the game. >> -- especially for players like former minnesota viking, fred mcneill. >> what is it down to you? >> well, the impact is my memory. i see people and they talk about the conversation that we had two weeks ago or three weeks ago, or a months ago, or whatever. and i don't remember. >> if we saw each other again, would you remember? >> i don't know. >> mcneil died five years after this interview. and he was diagnosed with cte

by dr. -- whose character was featured by will smith in the movie concussion. >> how many blows to the head does it take to cause this sort of problem? >> it is like asking how many [inaudible] we don't know. >> they focus on concussions push the leak to implement over 50 rule changes since 2002, including making head to head contact a foul. moving kickoffs from the 30 yard line to the 35 yard line and introducing spotters to eye for potential blows to the head -- but an independent study from 2020 still concluded the new rules, as well-intentioned as they may be, have proven to be too weak to make the nfl game demonstrably safer. the amount of time players set up because of injuries had not changed, they said, between 2010 and 2019. though, according to the nfl,

the league has sustained a 25% drop in concussions each season between 2018 and 2021. >> you are hearing i'm sure from a lot of players saying, are these protocols working? are they doing enough to keep us safe? what would you say to that? >> we try to use every one of these situations as a learning opportunity, as an opportunity to get better. and to do that in a very transparent manner. >> this year, miami dolphins quarterback tua tagovailoa took a hit and played on, despite having an apparent head injury. a few days later, he was hit again, and concussed. as a result, the league updated their concussion protocol. now they require and even more conservative approach to dealing with concussions. most everyone agrees with this: going back to the days of joseph mason reeves, rules don't trump culture and history. a history full of big hits and broken dreams. the best you can do is make it safer. but no, not safe. >> what we saw last night was

something that we have never seen before. in my 11 years in the nfl, i've never experienced anything like that. and that brings the reality to the sport to life. >> doctor sanjay gupta, cnn. reporting. >> hamlin's injury has been a moment of reflection for his teammates and others who have played in this often brutal sport. ben watson who played across 15 seasons in the nfl joins us now. benjamin, thank you so much for being with us. what was your reaction to what happened last night? >> anderson, it was shock like everybody else. as a football player for 16 years in the nfl, you are used to seeing injuries. but we had just turned on the tv. my kids are not quite in school yet. they start on wednesday. we said you know what? you guys can stay up and watch the first quarter. and we turned it on just as the incident happened with damar and we were all in shock. we were all quiet. as time went on and the

commercial break started to mount, we realized that this was something that was very serious. >> i was talking to coy wire, who played for the bills a while ago, and last night, after this happened, one thing she was saying is that football is one of a few professions where a team of people pray before they go out on the field because part of it is they know the danger that they are facing when they go out on that field. it is not just about winning the game. it is about getting through the game unscathed. they know how easily something like this can happen. do you think about that every time you go on the field? >> one thing you learn very early in football -- it is an injury sport. what happened to damar isn't in that realm of what most football players would consider to be probable injuries -- we understand that these things happen when you have high speed collisions with world class athletes. it is something that makes the game exciting, but it is also something that makes you very sober and it is a scary part of the game and i think what you

saw was just the reaction of players when their brother went down, somebody who they have eaten meals with and they have bled with and they have gone through training camp with and somebody that you truly get to know and get to love and so that is why you see both sides, like it didn't matter that one team was from cincinnati and one team was from buffalo. when something happens within the brotherhood, there is a hurt there, but part of the reason, as you mentioned before, we pray before you go out -- it is number one for unity. but also we believe that we are in control of everything. >> to me, it is a reminder not only of the violence of the game, but the frailty of human life, that somebody in their prime, an incredible athlete at the top of their game, life can change in the blink of an eye. and it can for all of us. >> you are exactly right. these times bring us face to face with our mortality and we all have a day to be born and

we all have a day to die. so often, in the in between those two points, we feel invincible. whether you are a professional athlete, whether you are the top of your profession, whether you are feeling healthy, you understand that sometimes, there's a reminder that hey, all of us have an appointment with death. but i think after that, it also makes us realize, where are we? where do our hearts stand? if that were to be us laying on the field, if that were to be us laying in the hospital, what would our next steps be? and so, on the flip side with such a tragic event, there is tremendous opportunity. part of my prayers are for the players in both of those locker rooms, for the chaplains who i know very well, who are right now counseling and comforting players who saw a brother in a near death experience and who was still fighting for his life. because the questions about what happens after this life-- where will you spend eternity? as you mentioned, anderson, those questions are coming up

for all of us, not just for football players. but thank god he provides an answer through his son jesus christ. >> it also makes one think of, what would you do differently in your life now if suddenly you knew your end was near? how does it make you rethink your own life and how you carry yourself in your own life? does this change anything about how the game is played? it is such a rare occurrence in this particular condition that occurred. does this change the game in any way? >> i think that remains to be seen. i will say this though, anderson; every single time there is something having to do with player safety or players injured in some way, the nfl pa, the nfl take a look at different protocols. there was always an ongoing conversation.

i don't know specifically how this incident would change. i am so glad you mentioned what will we do differently in our life, and i can say that for me, even today, after watching what i saw last night and even after having conversations with family members, it makes you live in the moment, it makes you appreciate right now. and it makes you elevate what we have seen from damar, the toy drive, it has gone through the roof since that injury. it is about making a difference for people right now. and i am not only speaking to the physical side. i am speaking to the spirit of everyone -- single man woman and child that we talk to tonight. >> i appreciate talking to you tonight. i am sorry it is under the circumstances. but thank you. >> thank, you sir. >> more ahead on the idaho murder case. the suspect bryan kohberger will be extradited. the question is when. we will show you two times -- we'll talk to a former fbi criminal profiler about if the

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today we got a first look at the idaho quadruple murder

suspect inside a courthouse. as we mentioned last hour, bryan kohberger agreed to be extradited from pensylvania to face charges -- we also showed you newly-obtained body camera footage of an indiana state police officer stopping him on an interstate two weeks before his arrest after the murders, completely unrelated to the murder case. it was a traffic stop. >> here's that again. >> [inaudible] license and registration -- you're driving my back over there -- [inaudible] >> that was one of two police encounters that day. cnn's gary timing joins me now from moscow, idaho. when do we expect the suspect to be back in the state? >> anderson, authorities here in idaho and pennsylvania say they can't tell us when the suspect will arrive here in moscow, idaho, for security reasons. we do know the rule is he has to be back here in ten days. it is entirely conceivable he could arrive as early as

tomorrow. when he gets here, he will come to this building behind me. this is the courthouse. it doubles as the jail. this is where he will be staying for a while. when he arrives, it allows authorities here to finally release the probable cause affidavit, which was not released publicly. that affidavit will provide answers as to why this man was arrested. right now, we are standing literally just over a mile away from the house where the four students who were savagely murdered. when the suspect comes here, he will have not have a national hearing. he will not make a play at that hearing. he will be advised of his rights and a protocol of the process. he will then have a preliminary hearing, anderson, where he will then make a plea. this is a death penalty state. prosecutors will need to make a decision whether to seek it. >> i want to ask about the video that we just played, showing the suspect being pulled over two weeks before he was arrested. what more do we know about it? >> yeah. it is so chilling when you look at it in retrospect. but he was stopped twice.

and we believe it was within ten minutes of each other by two different police officers. he was in the driver seat. his father was in the passenger seat. it was 15 days before he was arrested. they left from washington state university where the suspect was a student and a teacher's assistant. that is about 15 minutes away from us here in moscow, idaho, right across the state border. he was stopped twice in indiana, both times not given a ticket. he was allowed to leave and not arouse any suspicion. >> fascinating. to gay tuchman i appreciate it. thank you so much. for more now on the investigation -- she is the director of the friends of science program at george mason university. also joining us -- cnn analyst, joey, jackson first of all, joy once the suspect returned to idaho, we are anticipating the affidavit will be released. there's a lot to be learned from that document, correct? >> yeah. no question about that, anderson. very specific things i think with respect to what the police did or what they unearthed to

believe that there is probable cause for this arrest -- like what? like what connection of dna might exist within that household as we look at him there. the suspect and now the defendant in the case. they did a lot of dna work. i think will spell out the dna. i think we'll hear something about the elantra with respect to it unraveling. with regard to his connection to this event. we may or may not hear about something concerning any pre-existing relationship, if any, as it relates to the victims. there may be surveillance in terms of him. whether he trailed or otherwise surveilled or looked or did whatever he may have done in terms of looking at and seeking out those particular victims. there may be witness interviews statements. there will be a bevy of information with respect to what led police to believe and are leading them to believe that he in fact is guilty of these murders in idaho. >> mary, is there something specific you would be looking for in terms of figuring out a motive in the affidavit?

>> absolutely. i would be looking for all the behavioral information, all the factual information, and all the forensics. in an attempt to assimilate those together in order to discern what the motivation or motivations could've been in this case. any crime, even a simple one, but certainly one like this sets very complicated. there is never just one motive. there are multiple motives. i would be looking for all those features to begin to discern what the motives were. >> his studies and his interest in criminology, would that have helped him in-- whether it is in planning something like this out ...? >> two prongs to that question. so, for some offenders, it could give them almost a false sense of thinking that they know more than with what they know. and i have certainly seen that in other cases. on the other hand, there could

be information you gleaned from getting a masters and working towards a doctorate in criminology that can be helpful. but i will say this; when you are the suspect have a very complicated, very serious crime, now you are the focus of that attention and so, it is difficult to stay thinking strategically like you would as a student as you navigate your way through the criminal justice system. for most offenders, they can't do that. they become overwhelmed and fearful of every step of the road. it remains to be seen what the alleged suspect's behavior in response will be in this case. >> the suspect's lawyer in pennsylvania says his client, and he seems to be -- only his client for the extradition proceeding. he believes he will be exonerated. that is what the attorney said. how much do you read into that in terms of what is likely to happen in court in idaho? and any subsequent legal strategy? >> yeah. so what happens is the defense

attorneys job is two fold. number one, manage the public and really the public relations aspect of it. the attorney needs to project a sense of confidence. a sense of innocents, a sense of you have the wrong guy. number two, with respect to legally. that will be predicated not just on anything that he says that is the defendant or the, that will be predicated on the evidence. if there is dna, why wasn't there? was there any basis or reason for you to be in that particular location? if you are a long-term was there, can you explain away why it might have been? is there any alibi that can take you away from t is there any reasonable or plausible explanation as to potentially it being someone else? why do i say those things? i say them because trials are about specific facts that either connect you or disconnect you from the event at issue, and no matter what bluster or what his defense attorney says or doesn't say, i would like to see what the evidence shows. the probable cause affidavit, when it is released, that will

give us a roadmap into how strong the evidence is and then the defense will know what they need to challenge in order to get a not guilty verdict. >> you are just talking about how somebody who has committed a crime once they are in the criminal justice system, it feels differently for them than they had plan. before they get into the criminal justice system, if somebody who has thought out and planned a crime like this -- once they have committed that crime, is it often different than they had anticipated? >> if it is the first time they did it, it can be very different. but in the end, it really depends on their personality. is this someone that after the case, they feel exhilarated? they are glad they committed it. they are thinking through, did i make a mistake here? no. this is fine. this is fine. it will really depend on the

personality of the offender in terms of what the reaction is after the crime was committed. >> mary ellen, we heard from gene earlier. the suspect shared moments with his family in court today mouthing "i love you" to them multiple times -- is there any rulebook for how people accused of heinous crimes behave in court? is there anything you be -- read into that? >> there really isn't. we have had a range of behavior in crimes over the years and offenders will come in and they see their family there and it makes them feel good. they need the support. they want the support. they have a response that they will give. in other cases, we have had offenders take the stand and get married in the courtroom. we have had offenders vein heart attacks -- >> were you surprised that he did not fight extradition? >> i was not. especially if he is defending. he says he is looking forward to being exonerated.

it is really difficult to really match that narrative. you look forward to being exonerated. yet you want to delay your movement to the state at issue in idaho. so that you could fight extradition. again, that is not to suggest that he is guilty or innocent. we will see moving forward. but at the end of the day, also extradition is somewhat of a formality. are you the person that is identified if the state can establish that there is probable cause that a crime was committed? if they establish, that you go. it delays the process, but other than that, it does not impede the road to justice other than time. so, i'm not surprised at all. >> joey jackson, i appreciate it. marilyne o'toole. next, a live update on jeremy renner and the best update possible from jeremy renner himself. ayroll, benefits, and hr today, so you can have more success tomorrow. ♪ one thing leads to another, yeah, yeah ♪

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what is the latest? >> i have spoken to his publicist. right as he posted this update on and stick. this is what she is saying. she saying that he's making positive progress, he is talking. he is in good spirits. obviously, as we see and that instagram post, he is overwhelmed by the showing of love and support. and the family is asking for the continued thoughts while he heals. we know that he underwent two surgeries. he had that blunt force trauma to the chest. let's not forget that we learned today at a press conference that that snowcap was over 14,000 pounds. so, obviously, he is lucky to be alive. >> do we know what actually happened with the accident? >> we do. there is a press conference this evening by the sheriff department. they actually detail what happened. take a listen. >> after successfully towing his personal vehicle from its stuck location, mister renner got out to speak to his family. at this point, it is observed that the piston started to

roll. in an effort to stop the piston bullet, he attempts to get back into the driver seat. based on our investigation, it's at this point that mr. jeremy renner is run over by the... >> he is lucky that his family members were there. a nephew of his, some neighbors. they rushed to his aid. they brought him towels. they brought 9-1-1. >> he was trying to get back in it and he got run over by it. >> he recused this snow cat. it is 14,000 pounds. he used it to tow a vehicle of his that have gotten stuck in the snow in his driveway. the sheriff said that there is about three feet of snow. there was unprecedented snowfall in the area. he removed the car out of the snow. and then he gets off the snow cat to talk to his family member. and that is when the snow cat starts to roll. he jumps up on to it, but then somehow does not successfully get up onto the snow cat. and it could have crushed and killed him. like i said, there are some neighbors. people called 9-1-1 -- rushed to his aid, but here is something interesting. in this press conference, they stated that it took over 30 minutes for police to respond

to the scene due to the closed roads. all of the tough conditions in the area. over an hour until he was able to be airlifted to a local hospital. again, this instagram post from him tonight, this new statement, it is wonderful news. but again, it could've been much worse. climb alice, >> appreciate it. >> thank you. >> the news continues. cnn tonight with laura coates is next after a short break. and effortlessly responds to both of you. our smart sleepers get 28 minutes more restful sleep per night. proven quality sleep. only from sleep number. there's nothing like volunteering at the fire department. there's nothing like hitting the waves. but with my moderate-to-severe eczema it hasn't always been easy,... ...since my skin was so irritated and itchy...

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