the house voted in a nighttime session tonight to adjourn until noon eastern tomorrow. still don't know why 9 am wasn't a possibility, more now with day three of trying to get speaker, that's fine. we're gonna go into a second and third day tomorrow about this very issue, of course, republican leader, kevin mccarthy, has been enduring a c series of stinging defeats. now losing a total of six rounds of voting. in his attempt to become speaker of the house. he is saying tonight, well there's no deal yet, the emphasis on yet, there's a lot of progress that has been made in talks with some of the holdouts to end the ongoing impasse. it's possibly now paved the way for him to become the speaker. of course, it seems to be far

from certain, knowing that there seems to be at least 20 who have not budged in many a vote at this point. his most strident opponents are vowing again tonight, they are going to block his bid. i want to go now to cnn's melanie -- zanona who's on capitol hill tonight. melanie, where did these negotiations stand tonight? is mccarthy right to be optimistic? >> i would say he's inching a little bit closer to the speakership, negotiations are very much still ongoing. however, we did see some signs that the talks from earlier tonight are progressing, that is that kevin mccarthy has made an offer to some of the critics. this is something that came after he was huddled in his office with some of the holdouts, some of his allies were there. it's unclear whether that's going to be enough to get him the votes, sources were telling me that perhaps it could move maybe ten votes or so, which would not be enough to get him 2 to 18. it is a sign that kevin mccarthy is ready to give concessions that he is prepared

to do everything it takes in this final moments to try and get him the speakership. >> what are those concessions? we had a whole list before, you're adding to it tonight? >> yeah, there's three main things that we're hearing tonight that were offered in this concession. the first big one, that kevin mccarthy has agreed to empower any single member to call for a vote on ousting the sitting speaker. that's something called the motion to vacate the speaker's chair, it's something that kevin mccarthy initially said, he was not gonna budge on. it's something that back in the day, years ago, any member used to be able to call for that vote, speaker nancy pelosi changed the rules, and the house conference rules that were decided on in november. amongst just republicans decided to just do a simple majority of their conference, then mccarthy came down to five members in the negotiations, now he's back down to one. which is what conservatives wanted from the beginning. he's very completely caved on that. the second thing we're hearing, he's agreed to add more members of the freedom caucus to the house rules committee. that is a powerful committee it

dictates how bills come to the floor, and whether they come to the floor. that is something, again, conservatives have been pushing for. the other thing we're hearing, mccarthy made a couple promises to bring bills to the floor, and have votes on those. so, again, negotiations are still ongoing, i caught up with scott perry, one of the members who's been part of the discussions. he declined to say how he feels about the offer, but he did say that they're going to continue, going back to his office right now to continue the sessions. so, we'll see if it's enough to get them to 2:18, it's unlikely that alone is going to get him there. but it can shrink the opposition, at least close the gap a little bit, and for mccarthy's allies, right now, they do want to show some momentum, they're moving in the right direction. not the wrong direction. so, if there is another speakers vote tomorrow, when they adjourn at noon, they want to be able to show that they have made some progress, even if they're not at 2:18 just yet, laura. >> melanie is a known, great reporting, thank you so much. a lot to talk about our cnn political analyst, alex burns. associate editor and columnist

at politico. jonathan martin, seen your columnist at politico, and former republican congressman, joe walsh. first of all, the screen that shows the concessions, the font is getting smaller and smaller. maybe i'm getting older by the second. because you're adding to the bottom list, and thinking about this, just thinking about immediately on this point. the idea here that they're going to have a threshold of one, this is quite a -- if you cannot get to this number, kevin mccarthy, at this point without having to try to secure and get all the 218 votes, the fact that one person could move for a motion to vacate, that's very significant. >> i actually don't think there's much difference between one and five moving to vacate. laura, this is about, look, kevin mccarthy wants to be speaker more than anything else in the whole wide world. that's all he's wanted. that's all he's wanted for a long, long time. it's a battle between his

ambition and a number of members who just can't stand and don't trust him. and i don't know how that battle is gonna play out. >> is this the job he thinks he wants still? i'm not gonna put my mind in his mind and think about it, but this does not bode well for what is ahead. >> yeah. >> he's got a lot of work to do, congress in general, and remember, speaker, former speaker pelosi, actually was tweeting tonight about the work to be done. and she called out republicans on this speaker vote. and all who serve in the house chair responsibility to bring dignity to this body, sadly, republicans cavalier attitude in electing a speaker is frivolous, disrespectful and unworthy of this institution. we must open the house and proceed with the peoples work. jonathan, when you think about the people's work, there's a lot of work for whoever is going to be the speaker to herd cats. >> i was talking to one member tonight, because of kevin

mccarthy li, who said, you know, even if we get through this and kevin does find the votes, he said very candidly, this is not the end. this is only the beginning. and this was supposed to be the easy part, just getting kevin to be speaker. we haven't even talked about the more contentious issues relating to matters like funding the government, we're gonna have to do eventually, later this year, obviously raising the debt ceiling was going have to do even sooner than that. so smaller ball things behind those two elements, that are going to be daily or at least weekly challenges. because this is not a single part, this is basically two parties under the same roof. they have no shared identity at this point, and there's no leverage for kevin mccarthy, or whoever the speaker winds up being, is going to have at his disposal to ensure that these folks fall in line on those very votes to come that is

mentioned here down the road. >> and falling in line, the big question that many people have is, what do you want? what do they want? it's a question, frankly, that was asked of senator joe manchin, or kristen cinema, for the better part of four years about what do you want when you have this particular power. but tonight on hannity, yet a congressman congresswoman, laura boebert, who was questioned about that. being one of these holdouts. here's what she had to say. >> if by friday, you and your group of 20 don't have a name with 30 votes, is it time for you to withdraw and if not, why do you support a double standard, last question. >> kevin mccarthy does not have 218 votes, kevin mccarthy -- >> and you have 20. >> i asked you a very specific question -- >> listen, when you don't have 30 -- >> i will not, shawn. i will not withdraw. we are not petty, of kevin mccarthy, they were not self serving.

we simply were asking for commitments on what the american people want to see. >> alex, she says the asks were not petty, but i do remember a letter to the capital calling mccarthy a squatter, not saying it's petty, it might be accurate. >> he was asking if it was a squatter. >> he was just asking. just asking questions. obviously, this is intensely personal for some of these members. you mentioned joe manchin and kyrsten sinema, i think we all remember very well months and months and months of democrats all over the country say, how can one manned stand in the way of something everybody else in the party wants. and the answer is, he can do it just fine if he's a decisive vote in the senate. and the way you eventually get -- if you cave. you give him what he's asking for. so what we're seeing tonight is kevin mccarthy trying that approach. he is caving. he is giving up so many of the levers that make the speakership a powerful body. he is giving up the tools he has to make the house a functional chamber. if, at the end of that, he's not appreciably within striking

distance of 2:18, and i don't mean picking up six votes, eight votes, ten votes. i mean really in a place where you can see the distance from point a to point b. i think you really do have to ask yourself, what on earth could possibly bring lauren boebert. >> to jonathan's point, the great irony of all of this is, it really doesn't matter which republican speaker. the next two years are going to be mega chaos in that house. in that body. they're going to investigate hunter biden, they're gonna haul doctor fauci in front of the committee, no matter who the speaker is in the speaker can't stop that. because that's where this body is right now. >> even without all the concessions, you're saying that there is a level of political impotence for the speaker? >> yes. at the end, this party is animated now. the base of the republican party is radicalized, the house caucus reflects that. they want hundred biden, they want all these things done. no speaker would stop that.

>> that's why congressman jim jordan is like, my focus is singular on the investigation, not at all on this thing you call speakership. >> it's more of a great -- a chamber full of really ambitious former class presidents, you don't see many them stepping up to try and take this job. you asked byron donalds today how he accepted his moment, but there's no effort among people who you would think the patrick met henry's or the steve scalise's, polak this as potential leadership material, you don't see them plotting to make a move. or if they do, they're being so delicate and plotting about it, hoping that kevin can fall first. i think the reason for that is it's not a job worth having, at least in the next couple of years. >> and to jonathan's point at the start, this clearly isn't

the end of a fight, it's a beginning of a fight, and mccarthy does get through. all these ambitious folks who are one wrong or two or three wrongs down in leadership, they know as well as the rest of us, everybody talking around town, that the person who winds up a speaker on the first day of this congress does not necessarily have the best odds of being the speaker on the last day of this congress. and that's sure than ever with the concessions mccarthy's made tonight. >> i guess in d.c. eve got the donkey, the elephant in the scapegoat. there you go. well, there's another potential wrinkle in all of this, everyone the speaker doesn't have to be a member of the house. and my next guest says, look, the speaker actually should come from out side the house. >> woman: i have a few more minutes. l let's go! >> tech vo: that's service that fits your schedule. go to safelite.com. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪

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house returns tomorrow at noon. my next guest says the house should be looking not within their own ranks, but outside their ranks. for the next speaker. joining me now, former defense secretary, william cohen. secretary, thank you for joining me tonight. i read you a really interesting opinion piece for the new york times, where, frankly, you remind the nation, or maybe inform for the first time for some, that the constitution doesn't actually require that a speaker of the house has to be a sitting member of the house of representatives. it does provide for the election in the constitution, but not that the member is a current member. who do you think should be looked at? and while look outside of the ranks of congress? >> i think we look outside under very extraordinary circumstances, where you have a party that is so split, where you have a minority of the majority in the republicans

dominating and dictating the terms under which the speaker. i think the founders of this country, they had very strong apprehensions about, so-called, political factions or political parties. they thought that the parties would be the end any undoing of our democratic system. that seems to be what's playing out under the full view of the american people right now. where some of the non supporters of kevin mccarthy are saying, we want to do with the people sent us here to do. well, the american people didn't send these new members to congress to simply still talk on nullify and block legislation coming into the future. i think they rejected the extremism that we have seen take over our politics and they said, we want more moderation. we want people to be able to govern. we want to see them produce things within the majority of the american people. so, i suggest along with with

elton fry, an old friend of mine, and reelected hammock. and someone i have enormous respect for, he and i talked about it, he said why don't i suggest someone who's a republican who could be respected or would be respected by the other republicans, the recurring members, a former governor, john kasich, a member of the congress. and governor of ohio et cetera. a number of people who could qualify just to bring some kind of calm, so you have an ability to bring a consensus within the republican party so they could do things on behalf of the american people. so, it's unusual. we recommend it only for the next two years, and then you get the next election and you have a new scenario. but the times are piled high with difficulties, as lincoln said, we had to act a new. and if we do that will save the country. >> secretary, just the idea of the names being floated or thinking about it, it wasn't

that long ago that people were incredulous at the notion of floating the name of donald trump, for example. could it be someone from outside of the house, obviously, depending on your perspective, the risk or the reward of having someone from the outside. but what i find really fascinating about it, thinking about the founders and the framers you speak about, today, we think of the speakers may be the ultimate partisan. but you suggest that's really not the vision, and that actually is a disservice to the functioning of congress. so, if this were somebody who were from the outside, do you think that would we would be able to solve that crisis of partisan divide? >> i think it could. again, it's a temporary fix for the situation we find ourselves in. this is all predictable. if you had a vote a republican conference they voted for mccarthy. now, they're trying to turn him,

if they're going to elect him, into a figure for the past charlie mccarthy. a warden figure that was being programed by the powers that really controlling the congress, the people who are controlling the congress are those super pacs who are dictating the terms to the opponents of mccarthy to say, we cannot -- so we can have more of an opportunity to control legislation, or obstruct legislation. so, i don't know what to say, i have mixed emotions. i hate to see what's taking place in the house, i think the republicans had an opportunity to show they were able to govern, and i think this is just a shape of things to come. we are going to see this play over and over and over again in the next two years. so, you worry about the debt ceiling, what is the agenda of the republicans now? is it to reduce social security, medicare, is it to pose the debt ceiling increase? what is the agenda? and they simply talk, we've gotta get the country on track. and the question is, to do what?

i don't think they have any program other than, we're going to do anything we can to embarrass president biden, his son, who is simply -- obstruct movement toward a more unified, more perfect form of government. i don't think they have that it hard at all. that's distressing to someone i spent a quarter century of my life there, it is difficult for me to see what's taking place. >> as they say, you never get a second chance, to make a first impression. the electorate is watching the opportunity for republicans to now be in the majority. other names that were floated as well, you talk about governor kasich -- former governor kasich, -- who is retiring. you mentioned departing maryland governor, larry hogan. i have to say, if we're looking at all the issues you've laid out, there are significant political hurdles ahead for whoever it is the speaker, not the most attractive position to sign up for, even from the outside. >> no, it's going to be difficult for any person that they nominate, but i think the

next two years of this country we're seeing actually a second wave of the insurrection. most of those in the 20, the gang of 20, were actually election deniers. they are the ones who fought the space lasers and the other exotic activity taking place as really space lasers, we're altering the vote. they're worried about asian paper being doctored, so only vote for biden and on the other, just a crazy. but being crazy now is getting into the center of the party, and those people are going to be dictating the terms. and that's why they're going to weaken mccarthy, and whoever they pick will have very weak powers. and that means they will have more not to do things in a positive way, but to obstruct. and to frustrate the will of the american people, so, let's have less extremism, we need more moderation, you had frank on before, you need more decency, more civility, more

willingness to work across the aisle to say, why are we here? are we here to benefit the american people? or simply here to promote ourselves and feed our egos? and that's what's distressing about it, and i think it's the shape of things to come and i think we're in for a rough two years, and beyond that, hopefully the american people will see that we need to get back to the basics of governance. of integrity, of principle, and of treating each other with some dignity as fellow human beings. >> secretary cohen, so we'll said. thank you so much. >> pleasure to be with you, laura. thank you very much. >> everyone, the split screen really tells the story. the display of bipartisanship from a president biden, yes, that is president -- senator mitch mcconnell as well, and others. and exactly the same time that the house was displaying its own dysfunction over the speaker vote.

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president joe biden speaking out today about the display of dysfunction on capitol hill. and no surprise, the president a champion of bipartisanship, is not really all that impressed with what he's been seeing. >> it's embarrassing for the country. i mean, literally. it's just the reality. to have a congress that can't function is just embarrassing. we're the greatest nation in the world how can it be? >> how can that be.

here with me to answer that question, chief white house correspondent phil mattingly and jonathan martin is back along with cnn political analyst and historian at princeton university, -- author of the new book, miss america. a great read by the way, and thinking about it. we're gonna go to you, phil, on this how can this be? it's not really a rhetorical question. there is a quid history as to why this is the case. >> long-standing history. and it's developed over years. i think anybody who's just tuning in right now and thinking that this is something that just transpired over the course of the last several weeks or even since the trump years to some degree, is missing a huge amount of context. as to what is actually happening right now. you go back to 2011 all the fights we saw back then on the debt ceiling in government shutdowns all driving to this point it's why john boehner is no longer speaker of the house it's why paul ryan is no longer speaker of the house it's why kevin mccarthy failed in his first effort to be speaker of the house. and what's different now from then, is that the core group of

insurgents or radicals where we want to frame them, i don't actually mean majority, they have grown. they have more power. leadership has gotten weaker. and step by step by step as leadership in the party in the house conference has gotten weaker, they have moved their way into this position where their weakness is exacerbated every single day, watching it play out unless you less humiliating fashions. and those who were once considered just a small group trying to find some semblance of power, are now very much control the conference in some debris. >> you're a resident historian, at that point, the context that he just provided, we have seen this before in the sense, the idea of what it takes. there was a different majority margin before. there is no concessions, even more tonight. we've been showing on the screen the concessions that have already been agreed to, tentatively. in the font is getting smaller and smaller, because there's more and more coming at this point. that was the initial one, now there's the rest of them. but these concessions really are important to think about.

and historically, what does it tell you about the role of leadership and the trajectory of that where this is going? >> look, it's a twofold problem. one, the issue of the republican party in the caucus. which is does just difficult to govern, it's a change as been happening since newt gingrich in the 1980s and the party keeps shifting to the right. and the guardrails keep falling away in terms of what the party is willing to do. that said, you then weaken the institutional power of the speaker, and you're gonna make it much more hard to govern over this ungovernable caucus. and it can have long term precedent, we've had periods where the speakership is weakened, and it will take decades to put together some of that power again. it's a combo that can be pretty powerful in the coming years and making the house difficult place to work. >> by the way, when you weaken that, it doesn't just impact the party that gives the majority. this might have an impact on

the democrat speaker in the future, right? >> there will be a democratic speaker of these goes rules go into effect, they will probably have a party that's easy to manage. but they won't have the same kind of levers of power, and that makes it much harder when you don't have centralized authority to keep everyone in order. >> i think the recent past, congressional leaders had they sticks and they had carrots. and they can use either effectively. you had some control over fund that was essential, that was the life blood of these -- their capacity to raise money to win elections and re-elections. you also have the ability to dole out favors, whether it was earmarks that held something in their district or state parochial interests. guess what? nowadays the people in congress don't need to rely on leaders for money, because they can go on social media or tv and create their own identities and personalities, and raise all their money online. so, they don't need fundraising help.

secondly, bringing home the bacon for a lot of these folks on the far-right, is sacrilegious. they don't want earmarks back home, they want to run against washington and one against all the port barrel they have -- so you take away those two traditional elements that leaders have used as levers of power, and you deprive leaders of their ability to keep folks in line and we're left with the cast of today. >> the idea of those earmarks and the impact of that funding, right now, in stark contrast, you see the president of the united states, senator mitch mcconnell, not the best of friends will just say. but today, the shaking hands, they're down in kentucky talking about infrastructure in the bridge development and the 40 billion dollars that was earmarked to aid in those endeavors, and it does stand in stark contrast. if you are the president, in the senate for that reason, how is this being viewed? what's happening on capitol hill in the house floor? >> it's unsettling. i think any question about that. i think what's most interesting,

president biden is really taking pains not to insert himself into this process whatsoever. yet, he was quite candid throughout the course of the day, speaking to reporters multiple times. on his own volition. calling it embarrassing. taking a wider lens view of things, in the sense of, this is undercutting the progress i think we've made over the past several months. and showing that the u.s. government can actually work. that we can actually deliver, and the people in foreign countries that are watching the united states go through this very unsettled period of the last several years, perhaps they can feel more comfortable about the direction of things. the interesting contrast, this was set up, this event was set up as a figurative split screen. tuesday to wednesday. it became a very little one, because they could not get a speaker of the house. a talk about white house officials there, thrilled with the image of that split screen. and yet, the president less so. because he knows this means that in the near term, whether it's finally the government, whether it's gays raising the debt ceiling, and longer term, what this means for the institution, and -- the president is an institutionalist at his core. 36 years in the senate,

believes deeply about institutions. you can't be an institutionalist and find any of this entertaining. the chaos is bad. i think that's his view here, despite the fact that politically, it's probably advantageous for him. >> have we been here before? >> yeah, we've been here before for many years, i i mean, you have to go back 100 years. you just go back to 2011, when people tea party came to town, and threatened to raise the debt ceiling, to get concessions from president obama. that can have, you know, huge financial fallout. and it showed the procedures were malleable, senator mcconnell who, yes, today had that split screen. he's also played with very fundamental processes for partisan purposes. including leaving the garland seat vacant, so, i think we've seen the party leadership keep opening the doors to this kind of politics. so, i don't have to look back 100 years, i just look back at where the party has grown, and where the leaders have been, and that's exactly what's all coming together. >> and look at that picture today, rob portman who's

leaving office right now, mitch mcconnell probably in his last term, -- almost certainly in his last term as governor of ohio. these are people on the back nine of their career. who is not there, rand paul. rand paul also from kentucky is not at that event today, for good reason. because he's not the kind of person who's going to show up for a big port barrel event. >> j.d. vance. >> -- i wasn't there either. but your point is well taken about what's going on. >> we'll be talking summary about that? >> i am going to kentucky soon, listen, i will not disparage any state, thank you very much. i'm a fan of all 50 of them. thank you so much, everyone, thank you for being here. this is a good book. but miss america. the suspect in the university of idaho killings, now returns to the state where the crime happened. especially when police haven't revealed a motive. we'll discuss it, next.

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there is still so many questions that we're waiting to have answered, john, let me begin with you here. what do we know about any motive? what do we know about how they were able to apprehend and find this suspect? is it and has anything been revealed? >> we're about to know, laura, because with his presentation in utah, before a court, they'll be able to unseal the document that gave them probable cause. i think yesterday, before the judge put the gag order on everybody involved in this case, the defense, the prosecution, the police. authorities in pennsylvania, gave us a very interesting story, and i think just about everybody missed it. the first assistant district attorney, mike -- in a press conference yesterday, said that he will be working with authorities in idaho, but he wants to go back through brian kohberger's life. he said, we want to look at any evidence of possible motive, we want to look at any evidence of

a pattern. a modus operandi or a method, we want to get into the suspect's character or mental state as best we can. both before the murders, during the years he was in pennsylvania, and after the murders, which was the two weeks before he was arrested when he was back in pennsylvania. what he's telling us is they are going to go back through kohberger's time in pennsylvania, they're going to look at unsolved cases. any double murder where people were stabbed in a house where they have no solution. whether there were any stalking incidents when he was at university or working as a security guard in that community college. what they are saying is, pretty much what fbi profiler mary ellen o'toole told me yesterday, which was, an individual who is mission oriented, who goes into a house, murders for people, at least two of whom fought back with a fixed blade knife, and then escaped into the darkness, is probably not in his first act of violence.

so, i think what pennsylvania prosecutors were saying is, they're gonna go back through his life and see if they missed anything there. which i thought was really, very interesting. >> it is, it's great to think about the, i would bring joy into this as well. -- >> until we see that document though, where they lay out their probable cause, of course, we've got to go with the system which is he's innocent until proven guilty. >> absolutely. >> that will also be the first time he sees within that document, and what they say they have on him. >> joey, to that point, and again, i was a prosecutor i know the burden is always gonna be on the government to prove and try to overcome that presumption of innocence. but just thinking of what we -- where we are procedurally right now. joey, you earn extraordinary defense attorney. i'm wondering if you are getting in the mindset of what it would be like if this were your client. he is not. but if it were, what are the things you're looking at and what are you expecting to see tomorrow in a case like this? >> yeah, quite a bit, laura.

i think that you want to look at the probable cause affidavit, because that's where it begins. remember what that document is. that's the document which gives the indication of how were justified, we being the police, not me the police, to arrest him. so, what's there? is their dna? if there's dna, you're going to determine what is the connection of that dna? where was it, and how did it get there? that's something the defense will certainly have to overcome. and the event's dna is there, what if any incident explanation for that? the cilantro, we heard a lot of speaking about the alondra in the tracking of it. what was the basis for it being there? is there an innocent explanation as to it being there? number three, are there any surveillance that would have him, the defendant in this case, in or around that general area? was he tracking them? number four, is there any particular alibi that he can't has that can then demonstrate that he did not do this. number five, were there any witnesses that could establish him there? there's so much that goes into

this, not the least of which whether or not this is going to be a death penalty prosecution. we don't know that it is. i think those are the things that are going to be very significant if a case unfolds and he goes to court, answers his plea of not guilty, et cetera, and the matter begins. certainly, he'll be held without bail. >> for the, number six, joey jackson knows his stuff. and what to do in this matter. casey jordan, let me bring you into this as well, because as john was speaking about, the phrase that comes to mind in just his discussion was serial offender. serial killer. again, this is somebody, as everybody does deserve, the presumption of innocence. we are not here to try and opined in a way that condemns excuses that burden of proof that's required. i'm wondering from your background, particularly as a criminologist, as a behavioral in a list, how are you seeing this case? >> oh, i agree with john. and with almost all of the criminologist and investigative profilers who read instances

from the beginning. i went out of a limb at the very beginning because i never believed that this was targeted by someone who knew the victims. we always knew that the person who did this was have highly organized, maybe underestimated the extent of his intelligence. again, i was not surprised to find out that he was a criminology major, which is kind of disheartened by all of that. the bottom line is, even though technically, by the numbers, this would be a mass murder, four more victims killed in one particular location, at one time. but the psychology has always been that of a serial killer. and we will find out more to determine whether or not he would be a mission oriented killer. i see far more signs of sexual motivation, just because there was not sexual assault, doesn't mean the motivation wasn't wasn't sexual. again, i'll be surprised to find out if he did indeed know these people. i see a lot more power control in this particular attack.

i think that it was definitely planned, he cased the joint, he may have hidden inside the apartment waiting for them to come home. but john is correct, in the pennsylvania 30s are correct, when you have this kind of really outlier, aberrant behavior, you are going to look for any similar crimes that might fit that modus operandi, and see if he links to them. it may be the first time, this could be the advent, but it's entirely possible he has done this before. and they are going to look at all unsolved crimes for similar to see if it's possible. he could be responsible for those as well. >> there's so much more to learn, we'll learn more tomorrow, thank you all. we'll be right back. >> it'll be here. who has more iihs top safety pick plus awards, the highest level l of safety yu can earn? subaru. when it comes to longevity,, who has the highest percentage of its vehicles still on the road after ten years? subaru. and when it comes to value, which popular brand has the lowest cost of ownership? lower than toyota, honda, or hyundai?

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