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>> while the house voted in a nighttime session tonight to adjourn until noon eastern tomorrow, we still don't know why 9 a. m. was not a possibility and what could not be a day three of trying to get a speaker, but that is fine. they'll go into a second and third day tomorrow about this very issue, and of course, republican leader kevin mccarthy has been enduring a series of stinging defeats, now losing a total of six rounds of voting in his attempt to become speaker of the house. he is saying tonight that while there is no deal yet, and emphasis is on yet, he says there's a lot of progress made in talks of some of the holdouts to end the ongoing impasse. this possibly now paves the way for him to become the speaker. but of course, that seems to be
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far from certain that there seems to be at least 20 that have not budged in many a vote at this point. now, some of his most strident opponents are vowing tonight that they will go to block his bit. i want to go to cnn's melanie zanona, who is on capitol hill tonight. melanie, where do these negotiations stand tonight? is mccarthy right to be optimistic? >> i would say that he is inching a little closer to the speakership, but negotiations are still very much ongoing. however, we did see some signs that the talks earlier tonight are progressing, and that is that kevin mccarthy has made an offer to some of the critics. this is something that came after she was huddled in his office with some of the holdout and allies there. it's unclear whether that will be enough for him to get the votes. sources tell me that perhaps they could move maybe ten votes or so, we should not be enough to get him 2 to 18, but it is a sign that kevin mccarthy is ready to give concessions, that he is prepared to give
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everything a takes in the final moments the check to get him the speakership. >> what are those concessions? we had a whole list before, they're adding to it tonight? >> yeah, there are three main things we're hearing tonight that were offered in this concession. the first big one is that kevin mccarthy has agreed to empower any single member to call for a vote on asking the sitting speaker, something they called the motion to vacate the speaker's chair, and something that kevin mccarthy initially said that he would not budge on, something that back in the day, years ago, any member used to be able to call for the, speaker nancy pelosi changed the rules, and the house conference rules that were decided on in november, among republicans, decided to just do a simple majority of the conference. then, mccarthy came down to five members in the negotiations, and now he is back down to one, which is conservatives wanted from the beginning. he is completely caved on the. the second thing we're hearing is that he has agreed to add more members of the freedom caucus to the house rules committee. that is a powerful committee, dictates how bills come to the
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floor, and whether they come to the floor. that is something again that conservatives have been pushing for. the other thing we are hearing is that mccarthy made promises to bring those to the floor and i have boots on those. so, again, who knows? if negotiations are still ongoing, i talk to scott perry, one of the members in the discussions, he declined to say how he feels about the offer, but he did say that they will continue, going back to his office right now to continue discussions, so, we will see if it is enough to get to 18. it is unlikely that that alone will get him there, but it can shrink and the opposition, it can get at least close the gap a bit, and for mccarthy's allies, right now, we want to show some momentum, and that they are moving in the right direction, not the wrong. if there is another speaker vote tomorrow, one day adjourned at noon, they want to be able to show that they have made some progress, even if they are not at 2:18 yet,
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laura. >> melanie zanona, great reporting, thank you so much. a lot to talk about with political analysts alice burns, a associate editor at politico, jonathan martin, a political columnist at politico and former congressman joe ranch. first of all, this green shows the concessions, the fund is getting smaller and smaller, or maybe i'm getting older by the second. you are adding to a lot of list and thinking about this. just thinking about this immediately on this point, the idea here that they are going to have a threshold of one, this is quite -- if you cannot get to this number, kevin mccarthy, at this point, without having to try to secure and get altered 18 votes, the fact that one person could move for a motion to vacate, that's very significant. >> i actually don't think that there is much difference between one and five moving to vacate. laura, this is a battle. look, kevin mccarthy wants to be speaker more than anything else in the whole wide world. that's all he's wanted, all he's wanted for a long, long time. it's a battle between his ambition and a number of members who just can't stand and don't trust him. i don't know how that battle
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will play out. >> is this the job he thinks he wants to. i am not going to put my mind in his mind and think about it, but this does not bode well for what is ahead. he's got a lot of work to do, congress, in general. remember, former speaker pelosi actually tweeted tonight about the work to be done, and she called out republicans on the speaker vote. all who served in the house share a responsibility to bring dignity to this body, sadly, republicans cavalier attitude and electing a speaker is frivolous, disrespectful and unworthy of this institution. we must open the house and proceed with the people's work. jonathan, when you think about the people's work, there's a lot of work who will whatever be the speaker to try to herd cats. >> i was talking to one member tonight who is a kevin mccarthy ally, who said that even if we get through this, and kevin
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does find the votes, he said keenly, this is not the end. this is only the beginning, and this was supposed to be the easy part, just getting kevin to be speaker. they haven't even talked about the more contentious issues relating to matters like funding the government, what they will have to do eventually later this year, raising the debt ceiling, which they will have to do even sooner than that, and even smaller things beyond those two elements that will be dearly or at least weekly challenges. because this is not a single part of it, this is basically two parties under the same roof. they have no shared identity at this point, and there are no levers that kevin mccarthy or whoever the speaker ones being is going to have at his disposal to ensure that these books fall in line and those very votes to come. >> falling in line, the big question many people have is,
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what do you want? what do they want? it's a question that was frankly asked of senator joe manchin or kristen sinema for the better part of four years about what you want when you have this particular power. but tonight, on hannity, you had congressman lauren boebert, who's asked that question, essentially, about being one of these holdouts. here is what she had to say. >> if by friday, you and your group of 20 don't have a name with 30 votes, is it time for you to withdraw, and if not, why do you support a double standard? last question. >> kevin mccarthy does not have 218 votes. kevin mccarthy will not be speaker. >> and you only have 20. i ask you a very specific question. if by friday, you don't have 30 -- >> i will not withdraw. we were not petty of kevin mccarthy, not self serving, we were simply asking for
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commitments. on what the american people want to see. >> alex, she says the ask were not petty, but i do remember a letter to the archive of the capital calling mccarthy a squatter. i'm not saying it's petty, it might be accurate. >> in fairness, they were asking if he was a squatter. just asking a question. but seriously, this is obviously intensely personal for some of these members. you mentioned joe manchin and kyrsten sinema. i think we all remember very well, months and months of democrats all over the country singer could one man stand in the way of something that everybody else in the party once. the answer is that he could do just fine, if there is a decisive vote in the senate. the way you get them on board's you cave. you give him what he is asking for. so what we are seeing tonight is kevin mccarthy trying that approach. he is caving and giving up so many levers that make the speakership a powerful body. he is giving up the tools he has to make the house a functional chamber. if at the end of that, he's not
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appreciably within striking distance of 218, and i don't mean picking up six votes, eight votes, ten votes, i mean really in a place where you can see the distance from point a to point b, i think you have to ask yourself, what on earth could possibly -- >> laura, to jonathan's point, the great irony in all of this is, it really does not matter which republican speaker. the next two years are going to be mega chaos in the house, and that body. they are going to investigate hunter biden, haul doctor fauci in front of the committee, no matter who the speaker's, and the speaker can stop that, because that is where the body is right now. >> even without all the concessions, you're saying that there is a level of political impotence for the speaker? >> yes, and this party is animated now. the base of the republican party as radicalize the house caucus, reflects that. they want hunter biden.
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they want all these things done. no speaker would stop the. >> that's why maybe congressman jim jordan, my focus is singular, on the investigation. it's not at all on this thing recall speakership. >> it's one of the great some teams, a chamber full of really ambitious former class presidents, you don't see many of them stepping up to take the stop. , yes, byron donalds happily accepted his moment, but there is no effort among people who you would think that the patrick mchenry's or steve scalise, elie stefanik, people who are seen as potential leadership material, you don't see them plotting to make a move, or if they do, they're being so delicate and plotting about it and hoping that campaign could fall first, and i think the reason for that, is because it's not a job worth having, at least in the next couple of years. >> and to jonathan's point at the start, that this is not the end of a fight, a beginning of a fight, even if mccarthy does get the. all these ambitious folks, who are one round or two or three
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run shot in the ship, they know as well as the rest of us, everybody talking around town, that the person who wants up the speaker on the first day of congress does not necessarily have the backs out to be in the speaker on the last day of this congress. that's tour than ever with the concession that mccarthy made tonight. >> i guess in d. c., you have a donkey, the elephant and the scapegoat, there you go. there's another potential wrinkle in all of this, everyone. the speaker does not have to be a member of the house, and my next guest says, look, the speaker actually should come from outside of the house. >> tech: when you have auto glass damage, trust safelite. this dad and daughter were driving when they got a crack in their windshield. [smash] >> dad: it's okay. pull over. >> tech: he wouldn't take his car just anywhere... ♪ pop rock music ♪ >> tech: ...so he brought it to safelite. we replaced the windshield and recalibrated their car's advanced safety system,
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>> there's already been two days of historic chaos on capitol hill, leaving kevin mccarthy who has aspirations to be the speaker in the bow, and it's frankly unclear whether if you will have to vote when the house returns tomorrow at noon. my next guest says that the house should be looking at within their own ranks but outside their ranks for the next speaker. joining me now, former defense secretary, william cohen. secretary, thank you for joining me tonight. i read that you had an interesting opinion piece with your times, where, frankly, you remind the nation or maybe inform for the first time for some that the constitution does not actually require that a speaker of the house has to be a sitting member of the house of representatives. there does provide for an election in the constitution, but not that the member is a -- is a current member. who do you think should be looked at, and why look outside of the ranks of congress? >> i think we look outside
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under very extraordinary circumstances, where you have a party that is so split. we have a minority of the majority in the republicans dominating and dictating the terms of which speaker. i think the founders of this country, they had a very strong apprehensions but so-called political factions, or political parties. they thought that these parties would be the end and undoing of our democratic system, and that seems to be what is playing out in full view of the american people, right now, where some of the non supporters of kevin mccarthy are saying, we want to do what the people sent us here to do. well, the american people did not send these new members to congress to simply nullify and block legislation coming in the
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future. i think they rejected the extremists that we have seen ticked over our politics, and they said, we want more moderation, we want people to be able to govern. we want to be able to produce things with the majority of american people. so i suggest along with -- an old friend of mine and real academic and someone i have enormous respect for, he and i talked about and said, why don't we suggest someone who is a republican, who could be respected or would be respected by the other republicans, a former governor, john kasich, a member of congress and governor of ohio, et cetera, a number of people who qualify, just bring some calm, so that you would have an ability to bring a consensus within the republican party, so that they could do
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things on behalf of the american people. so, it's unusual. we recommended only for the next two years, where the next election, we will have a trump scenario. but as the times are plowed high with difficulties, as lincoln said, we had to secure new and act new. if we do that, will say the country. >> secretary, just the idea of the names being floated or thinking about, it was not that long ago, people were incredulous at the notion, floating the name of donald trump, for example. well, it could be somebody outside the house, and, obviously, there is always, depending on the perspective, the risk or reward of having someone from the outside. but what i find really fascinating about it and thinking about the founders and farmers who speak about, was, today, we think of the speaker as maybe the ultimate partisan,
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but you suggest that is really not the vision, and that is actually a disservice to the functioning of congress, so if this were somebody who are from the outside, do you think that would be able to solve that crisis a partisan divide? >> i think it could. and, again, it's a temporary fix for the situation we find ourselves in. this is all predictable, if you had a vote in the republican conference, they voted for mccarthy, and now they are trying to turn him, if they're going to even elect him into a figure for the -- a warden figure that was being programed by the powers that are really controlling the congress, the people can trying to congress are those super pacs, who are dictating the terms to the opponents of mccarthy to say, we could not -- we will have more of an opportunity to control what station or obstruct legislation, so i don't know what to say. i have mixed emotions, i hate to see who is taking place in the house. i think republicans had an opportunity to show that they're ready to govern, and i think this is this the shape of things to come. we are going to see this play over and over again, over the next two years. you worry about the debt ceiling, what is the agenda of the republicans now? is it to reduce social security, medicare, is it to oppose the debt ceiling increase? what is the agenda, and they
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simply talk about getting the country on track. the country -- the question is, to do what. i don't think they have any programs other than we will do anything we can to embarrass president biden, his son or simply obstruct movement towards a more unified, more perfect form of government. i don't think they have the heart at all. that is distressing to someone who has spent a quarter of a century of my life there. it's difficult to say what is taking place. >> as they say, you never get a second chance to make it first depression, and the electorate is watching the opportunity for republicans to not be in the majority. other names that were floated as well, you talked about former governor kasich but also congressman fred upton, who is retiring, or departing maryland governor larry hogan.
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i have to say, if we're looking at all the issues you laid out, there are significant political hurdles ahead for whoever is the speaker, not the most attractive position to sign up for, even from the outside. >> no, it will be difficult for any person that they nominate. i think the next two years in this country, we're seeing actually a second wave of insurrection. most of those in the 20, the gang of 20, were actually election deniers. they are the ones who fought the space lasers and other exotic activity taking place, as release base lasers we're altering the vote. they were worried about a sham paper being doctored so that they would only vote for biden, not the other. it's just crazy. but being crazy now is getting to the center of the party, and those people are going to be dictating the terms. that's what they are going to weaken mccarthy or whoever they pick will have very weak powers. that means they will have more not to do things in a positive way but to obstruct and to frustrate the will of the american people. so let's have less extremism.
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we need more moderation. you need more decency, more stability, more willingness to work across the aisle to say, why are we here? are we here to benefit the american people are simply here to promote ourselves and feed our egos? that is what is distressing about. i think it's the shape of things to come, and i think we're in for a rough two years and beyond the, hopefully, the american people will see that we need to get back to the basics of governance, of integrity, of principle and of treating each other with some dignity as fellow human beings. >> secretary cohen, so we'll send, thank you so much. >> pleasure to be with you, laura, thank you. >> everyone, the split screen, it really tells the story, a display of bipartisanship from president biden. yes, that is senator mitch
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mcconnell behind him as well and others. at exactly the same time the house was the spying's own deep dysfunction over the speaker.
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>> president biden speaking out today about the display of dysfunction on capitol hill and no surprise, the president a champion of bipartisanship, is
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not really all that impressed with what he has been seeing. >> it's embarrassing for the country. i mean, literally. the reality is that you have a congress that can't function is just embarrassing. where the greatest nation in the world. how can that be? >> how can that be? here, we try to answer that question. our chief white house correspondent phil mattingly and jonathan martin is back. along with political analysts and historian at princeton, julian del azar, author of the new book, myth america, a great read by the way. let me go back to you on this, phil, because how can this be? it's not really a rhetorical question. there is a history as to why this is a case. >> long-standing history, developed over the years. everyone just tuning in right now and thinking that this is something that just transpired over the course of the last several weeks or even since the trump years, to some degree, is missing a huge amount of context into why this is actually happening right now. you could go back to 2011 and all the fights we saw back then
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on the debt ceiling and government shutdowns, all driving to this point. it's why john boehner is no longer speaker. swap are ryan's longer speaker. it's why kevin mccarthy failed and his four separate to be speaker of the house. what's different now from then is that the core group of, insurgents or radicals, however you want to frame them, they have grown, they have more power, and leadership has gotten weaker. step by step by step, as leadership in the party and asked conferences got and weaker, they moved their way into this position where their weakness is exacerbated every single day, watching it play out endless simulating fashions, and does once considered a small group trying to find some semblance of power, not very much control of the conference to some degree. >> thinking about that, a resident's story in, julian's salazar, the contacts who provided, we have seen this before in a sense, the idea of what it takes, but there was a different majority margin before, but there is now confessions, even more tonight.
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we've been showing on the screen the concessions already agreed to tentatively, and the funds get smaller and smaller because there is more and more coming at this point. now, there are the rest of them. the concessions are really important to take about, and historically, what does it tell you about the role of leadership and the trajectory of where this is all going? >> look, it's a twofold problem. one is the issue of the republican party and caucus which is definitely difficult to govern, a change that has been happening since new greenwich in the 19 80s, and the party keeps shifting through the right, and the guardrails keep falling away in terms of what the party is willing to do. that said, you then weaken the institutional power of the speaker, and he will make it much more hard to govern over this ungovernable caucus. it could have long term precedence.
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we've had period where the speakership's weakened, and it would take decades the kind of put together some of the power again. it's a combo that could be pretty powerful in the coming years of making the house a difficult place to work. >> by the way, when you weaken that, it does not just impact the party that is in the majority. this might have an impact on the democrat speaker in the future, right? >> there will be a democratic speaker if these rules go into effect. the probably have a party easier to manage, but they're one of the same kind of levers of power, so that makes it much harder when you don't have centralized authority to keep everyone in order. >> i think in the recent past congressional leaders had sticks and they had carrots. they could use either effectively. you had some control over fundraising that was essential, the life blood of these candidates. their capacity to raise money to win election and reelection. you also have the ability to
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dole out favors whether it was earmarks or help, something in their district or skate -- guess what, nowadays, the people with congress don't rely on leaders for money, because they can go on social media and tv and create their own identities and personalities and raise all money online. they don't need the fundraising help. secondly, bringing home the bacon for a lot of these folks on the far-right is sacrilegious. they don't want ear marks back home, they want to run against washington and all the pork barreling happening in washington. you take away those traditional elements that they use this number of powers and the pry leaders out there -- left for the castle today. >> the idea of those earmarks and impacting funding, right now, you see the contrast of the united states and senator mitch mcconnell, not the best of friends, will say. politically speaking or
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otherwise, but today, there shaking hands are down in kentucky talking about infrastructure or bridge development and a 40 billion dollars that was earmarked to aid in those and diverse, and it does stand in stark contrast. if you are the president and the senate for that reason, how is this being viewed what's happening and capitol hill on the house floor? >> with unsettling -- not to answer him self into the process, whatsoever. he was quite candid throughout the day, speaking to reporters multiple time on his own volition, calling it embarrassing, picking a wider lens view of things in the sense of this is undercutting the progress i think we made over the last several months and showing that the u.s. government could work, and that we could deliver, and that the people in foreign countries watching united states go through this unsettled over the last few years. perhaps they can feel marketable about the direction of things. this event today was set up as a figurative split screen. it became a literal one because
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they could not and the speaker of the house, you talk to white house officials there, do it with that split screen, and yet the president, less so, because he knows what this means in the near term, whether it's funding the government, raising the debt ceiling and on a term, what this means for the institution. one official told me today that the president is an institutionalist escort. people in the senate believed deeply about institutions. you can't -- the chaos is bad, and i think that is few here, despite politically, it's advantageous. >> have you've been here before? >> yeah, we've been here before for many years. you don't even have to go back 100 years. you can just go back to 2011 where the tea party came into town and there and not to raise the debt ceiling to get concessions for president obama. that could have huge financial follow. senator mcconnell, who, yes, today as that split screen, also is playing with a fundamental process for partisan purposes, including leaving the garland seat vacant.
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so, i think we have seen the party leadership keep opening the door to this kind of politics. i don't have to look back 100 years, just look back at where the party has grown, were the leaders have been, and that is exactly what is coming together. >> look at who is in that picture today in kentucky. he's leaving office now. mitch mcconnell, probably in his last term, mike delano, certainly in his last time a governor in ohio. these are people on the back nine of their career, who is not there, rand paul? rand paul, also from kentucky, is not at the event today for good reason, because he's not the kind of person who will show up for a big pork barrel event. >> i wasn't there either. none of us were there, but your point is well taken about what is going on. >> you want me to talk to somebody? >> i do not. i am going to kentucky soon. listen, i will not disparage any state. thank you very much, i am a fan of all 50 of them.
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thank you so much. everyone, thank you for being here. this is a good book, mid america. everyone, the suspect in the university of idaho killings, now returned to the state where the crime happened. so what is next, especially when police have not revealed a motive? we will discuss it next.
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>> bryan kohberger, the suspect arrested in the killings of four university of idaho students landing in idaho earlier this evening. this after he waived extradition in a pennsylvania coat just a day. upon landing in idaho, he was escorted to the al-ata county jail. whether brigantine law enforcement and intelligence analysts, john miller, joey jackson and criminologist and behavioral analyst, casey jordan. thank you all for being here this evening, there are still so many questions that we are waiting to have answered. john, let me begin with you here. what do we know about any motive? what do we know about how they were able to apprehend and find the suspect? has anything been revealed? >> we're about to know, laura, because with his presentation in utah before a court, they will be able to unseal the
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document to give them probable cause. i think yesterday, before the judge put a gag order on everyone involved in the case, the defense, the prosecution, the police, authorities in pennsylvania gave us a very interesting story. i think about everyone missed it. the first assistant district attorney, mike mancuso, in a press conference today, said he will be working with authorities in idaho, but he wants to go back through bryan kohberger life. we want to look at any evidence of possible motive. we want to look at any evidence of a pattern of modus operandi or method. we want to get into the subjects character and mental state as best you can, but before the murders and after the murders, which was the two weeks he was arrested when back in pennsylvania. what he is telling us is that they will go back to kohberger time and pennsylvania, look at unsolved cases, any double murder where people were
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stabbed in the house where they have no solution, whether there were any stalking incidents when he was at the university are working at a security guard at the community college. what they are saying is, pretty much, what fbi profile expert mary o'toole, who told me is a day, any person who is mission oriented, goes into a house, murders for people, at least two of whom who fought back with a fixed blade knife and then escapes into the darkness, it's probably not in his first active violence. so, i think what pennsylvania prosecutors are saying is that they will go back on his life and see if they missed anything there, which i thought was really interesting. >> it is to think about the. i want to bring in joey as well -- >> until we see the document though, where they lay out their probable cause, of course, we had to go with the system that he is innocent until proven guilty. >> that will also be the first time he sees what is in the
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document and what they say they have. >> joey, to the point, and again, i was a prosecutor, i know the burden is on going to be on the government to prove and try to overcome that presumption of innocence. just thinking about where we are procedurally right now, joey, you are an extraordinary defense that attorney. i'm wondering if you're getting in the mindset of what it would be like if this were your client? he is not, but if he were, what are the things you are looking at, and what are you expecting to see tomorrow and a case like this? >> yeah, quite a bit, laura. i think you want to look at the probable cause affidavit because that is where it begins. remember what that document is. that is the document that gives me the indication of how were justified, we being the police, to arrest him. what's there, is their dna? if there's dna, you will determine what is the connection that the unit?
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where was it and how did you get there? that is something that the defense will have to overcome, if the dna is there. what if any innocent explanation is for the? number two, the i&a cilantro, we heard a lot about it and the tracking of it. what is the basis for it being? there is there any explanation for it being there? number three, are there any surveillance that had the defendant in and around that general area? you see tracking them? number four, is there any particular alibi that he has that could demonstrate that he did not do? this number five, were there any witnesses? there is so much that goes into this, not the least of which, that this would be a death penalty prosecution. we don't know that it is, but i think those are the things that will be very significant, as the case unfolds, and he goes to court and enters his plea of not guilty, et cetera, and the
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matter begins. certainly, he will be held without bail. >> you forgot number six, joey jackson assistive and what to do in this matter. casey jordan, let me bring this in -- you into this as well. as john was speaking about, the phrase that comes to mind in his discussion was serial offender, serial, killer. this is somebody as everyone deserves, the presumption of innocence. we're not here to a pine, or condemn or excuse the. i wonder what your background as a criminologist, as a behavioral analyst, how are you seeing this case? >> oh, i agree with john and almost all the investigative providers, who weighed in since the beginning. i want out on a limb in the very beginning, because i never believed that this was targeted by someone who knew the victims. we always knew that the person who did this was highly organized. maybe, we underestimated the extent of his intelligence. again, i was not surprised to find out that he was a criminology measure, in fact, i was disheartened by all of the. the bottom line is that this
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would be a mass murder for more victims killed in one particular location at one time, but the psychology has always been that of a severe killer. we will find out more to determine whether or not he would be a mission oriented killer. i say far more signs of sexual motivation, just because there was not sexual assault, does not mean the motivation was not sexual. again, i'd be surprised to find out that they did not know these people. i see a lot more power and control in this particular attack. i think it was definitely planned. he may have hidden inside the important and waited for them to come home, but john is correct, the pennsylvania authorities are correct, when you have this outlier of abhorrent behavior, you will look for any similar crimes and see if he likes to them. it may be the first time that this could be the advent, but it's entirely possible that he has done this before, and
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they're going to look at all unsolved crimes that are similar to see if it is possible that he could be responsible for those as well. >> there's so much more to learn. will learn more tomorrow. thank you all, we will be right back. only smart bed in the world that actively cools, warms and effortlessly responds to both of you. our smart sleepers get 28 minutes more restful sleep per night. proven quality sleep. only from sleep number. over 5 million people have fallen in love with a portable blender. blendjet 2 gives you ice-crushing, big blender power on-the-go. so you can throw in your favorite ingredients and blend up a delicious smoothie anytime, anywhere. blendjet 2 even cleans itself. just add water, a drop of soap, recharge quickly with any usb port. ready to fall in love? order yours now on blendjet.com
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>> hurricane-force wind gusts are hammering part of central california coast tonight. part of the bomb cyclone that's bringing with it heavy rain and wind gusts, cnn stephanie elam has more from san francisco, where the storm is bearing down tonight.
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stephanie, what are you seeing? >> laura, we are now starting from the bulk of the storm making its way on to short. the heaviest, rain and also those hurricane-force winds are now starting to impact the san francisco bay area. you take a look here, in suppresses, go you could see just how wet it is here tonight. and this is why officials are so concerned. they're saying that they're seeing these hurricane fourth win, at some parts of the bay area up to 85 miles per, hour 77 down into the south bay. that is really strong winds for places that normally don't see this. they're also worried about flooding, mud flies -- as a matter-of-fact, mandatory infatuation order in parts of the bay area. because of this threat, because the soil is already so saturated and a lot of that has to do with the series of storms that we can see since new year's eve. the ground is so saturated as we are in the middle of this multi-year drought that is just not used to having that much water. and it can't accommodate anymore. so, that is why it is flowing off and now we're seeing this flooding that is occurring. officials are telling people to stay in place if they can
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because of these dangerous roads but with that warning you can tell how fast it may be moving underneath. so they're asking people to be very vigilant over the next few hours leading into thursday as it is going to be a very difficult ride for a lot of people out here tonight where there may be some more flooding in the area. and as you can see, this rain is not relenting right now, laura. >> stephanie, stay safe. thank you. >> and thank you all for watching. our coverage continues.
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