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snchts is there a deal for speaker in the works? i'm erin burnett and we're "out front". >> we're at a key moment in this totally grueling fight for speaker of the house. we're told negotiations are under way at this moment as an 11th vote is now under way. >> it appears that kevin mccarthy has lost, lost 11 votes. five just today.

despite now the longest speaker contest in generations. as we're watching this, we're told that mccarthy support aernz his critics are at least talking. they've been behind closed doors trying to hammer out a deal in an attempt to show some progress. but what might that deal look like? mccarthy already essentially given them everything that they want. he is promising votes on term limits, allowing just one member to force a vote to oust him, just one. and there are four in the never kevin camp. if there is just one more republican that mccarthy can't get the gavel without help from democrats. there is so much to get to tonight. let's go to capitol hill. there is this deal circulating around. there was a change in this round of nominations. yet, it appears that mccarthy failed. so what do you know to be happening right now? >> yeah. this is actually a very key moment. kevin mccarthy is behind closed

doors with some of the main holdouts that have denied him to the speakership. they're trying to hammer out an agreement. i'm told by number of those members who have gone in and out of that room that they're close. they believe that they can reach an agreement as soon as tonight. that would not assure him the speakership. it would allow the house to adjourn. adjourn for the night. let them finish up the negotiations and then potentially get back. if they get back tomorrow and continue the voting then and that is the challenge right now. if the house does not adjourn, they need to keep voting one ballot after the other. that is the rule. this is the first order of business of the 118th congress that came into session on

tuesday. we're now on the 11th ballot. kevin mccarthy wants to adjourn this house. a number of the holdouts have not agreed to do that. they're pushing for other changes. they have won a number of key concessions giving them more say on the legislative process. more ability to oust a sitting speaker. they want other committee assignments and the like. the negotiations have been furious going on dale long. now at a key moment. donalds is part of the negotiations. does he sign up? does chip roy of texas who is also part of the negotiations, does he sign off and scott perry, another key holdout. so all major questions as kevin mccarthy trying to get the votes still won't get there tonight. but they hope they can get

closer. >> if they're able to get the votes to adjourn? who do they adjourn to? they don't have the math to get this and tomorrow we understand from your reporting there's going to be several mccarthy backing republicans who are not there because they have to go for family issues or whatever back home. what does that mean for adjourning? >> that's a really good question. it's uncertain at this moment. the hope among the republican leaders is if they adjourn, perhaps they come back tomorrow. perhaps they would try to get -- show progress on the next speaker vote. and then come back in the next week. that seems unlikely. still possible. but that is one thing that is being discussed. but the other idea is to come

back tomorrow, maybe for a briefer session and then let members go home for the weekend. let the negotiations finalize and deal with the fact that, yes, several of the members are gone dealing with some family issues. so they won't be there. this was why all these things are very complicated. democrat don't want to vote to adjourn. they want to have this vote over and over again. it is up to the republicans to adjourn this house. that's where we're at at this moment. >> so thank you very much. what do you make of that? >> you know, i was krifcringingn i heard him getting last minute requests. just the idea the store is open and the looting commenced. >> continues. >> the shops are empty.

he cannot get the 218 tonight. he's basically dealing now to get to a deal on adjournment. and so, i mean, obviously we have to wait for them to come out n this round, as best i can tell, none of the anti-mccarthy votes switched. was there going to be any momentum on this. >> no one read the deal yet. the deal hasn't emerged yet. >> but you're saying nothing changed. it doesn't mean the deal is rejected. >> this whole thing, when you said no one's seen the deal yet. it sort of suggests there is a good faith negotiation going on. this is a hostage situation. and all the leverage is on the side of the hostage takers here and the question is what are they demanding? >> you'll end up with speaker jeffries, you know? he can blow up the whole house here. >> he really could.

>> i'm saying -- >> that could be -- look. as kevin mccarthy gets subjected to his struggle session here, you know, the public humiliation being imposed upon him by this crew of folks, don't forget, two things, tomorrow is january 6th. and the vast majority of the folks were election deniers that voted to overturn the election. >> among the 20. >> among this 20. and whatever deals they're, quote/unquote, forcing upon him, will ensure more dysfunction going forward. so at what point do they say stop? we do not need to have our politics dominated by the extremes like the rest of us are helpless. >> but, john, once the toothpaste is out of the tube, the agreements are made, you can't put it back in there. >> right. >> you're not going to have the 20 be like ok, we didn't negotiate that.

so scalise comes in, he is stuck with the deal. >> that's exactly the point. anybody is going to be stuck with this deal unless by some miracle there is an alternate plan b where there is some kind of a power chairing. i can't imagine that's going to happen. but if you think about it, i he mean, the damage to the republican party has been done. this is what gop leadership looks like. this is what it will look like tomorrow, january 6. >> you're originally from pennsylvania, right? deeply divided republican party. and deeply dysfunctional politics. the state legislature got together on january 3rd and with republicans having a slight edge they nominated centrist democrat to be speaker who reregistered as an independent with a bipartisan governing coalition that isolated the far right. same thing happened in ohio. same thing happened in alaska. take a note. >> i think it's great. could it happen here?

>> no. >> you know, is brian fitzpatrick going to be the speaker? >> no. >> i mean, you said there were 18 republicans and biden districts. there are 200 democrats that would vote with 18 biden representing republicans for -- >> for who? >> i don't know. >> brian fitzpatrick. >> those are the names that are floated. and that would represent the will of the people and the results the last election. better than this hostage taking. >> i also have to raise, again, i know i bring up the psychology. but you have a quote/unquote deal and then adjourn for a few days, that's not a good position to be in. all people are going to do is think and say, no, maybe -- i mean all you're doing is finding way to rip it up. >> if i was kevin mccarthy, i wouldn't let anybody go home. >> i think there are democrats that would consider helping in this situation under the right set of circumstances. these guys say that the conditions would be too steep.

but they've been told mccarthy is not interested in them. mccarthy is not interested. and he's governing this. meanwhile, he goes into the negotiations. i know this is unfair and people will protest maybe even here. but all remember the movie "animal house"? >> never heard of it. >> it feels like he's going through the negotiations and bending over and getting smashsmascked on the butt with a paddle and saying thank you, sir, i want another. i mean he is not -- he is running to be the speaker of the house and he is not in control of the house. he is weak. >> he continues to send a note to the four holdouts that won't budge. and frankly, why should they? all they need to do is remember what they want. at the end of the day, committee chairmanships are on the table. they can still get more. and that's exactly the way to

look at it. >> but 200 that are for mccarthy and at some point you start leaking on the other side of the aisle. >> and what happens then? it seems like he said you're at this crucial moment. you're at a hinge. once you're past this hinge, if you don't get there, then you're in the great unknown. >> there were two buckets that had to get done. a group that said they want to negotiate and try to get. there then the other group of people who say they'll never get there. and trying to corral the entirety of the people who want to get there, that was the plan for the day. mccart mccarthy is behind closed doors now. can he show progress on bucket sfwhun. >> that's the question. he briefly appeared on the floor but went right back out to your point. all right. we're going to take a very quick break. our special coverage -- no, we're not taking a break.

>> okay. good for us. >> give me a break. i've been here all day. >> we're with you, erin. that's the difference. we got you. >> he was on the floor briefly to vote for himself. >> when he's back and in these negotiations himself, right, i mean this is now, as you pointed out, the importance is this is principle to principle and that principle includes kevin mccarthy, does that in any way change the way you see it? >> look, i think that it -- it suggests progress because he had a terrible meeting with his caucus on tuesday. and in the intervening days, he said negotiators to talk to the people because they didn't want to talk to kevin mccarthy. they don't trust kevin mccarthy.

how do we structure it for you to stick by the commitments you're making. >> one other person we haven't talked about much today. just looking at the reporting and texting that's going on. eli crane -- >> we have not talked about him. >> is apparently according to some has become an emerging problem for leadership here. no one is talking about him as being one of the holdouts. are there five or six or seven? i mean, we don't really actually know how many people aren't interested in a deal. we've been talking about this deal as though -- there may be more than enough who don't want to talk about any deal. and then what can you do to them if you do get, you know, the deal with some of the 20? this guy's name has come up some. the point is there are people out there that just -- they're not looking for a piece of paper. >> it's an interesting point. we haven't talked about his name. of course, he's been voting against. you know, when we had pete sessions on a few moments ago, david, he put the number of never kevins as seven or eight.

>> nobody knows. there is no roll call, right? there has been a roll call but not a roll call of who is serious. chip roy is not a never never. he's a never, but not a never never. it's clear that matt gaetz is a never never until he's not. i think he's all over the place. >> never nevers, never, never, never. >> this insanity is amazing. don't forget, you know, with the never nevers, they do not include paul gosar and scott perry. >> yeah. >> you think they're going to be the voices of reason who really bring people together? >> scott perry has been in the room negotiating. he has been in there according to the -- >> the bazaar is open and this is the time you have maximum leverage f you're not a never never this is a time when you want to cut the maximum, you know, some subcommittee chairs maybe even committee chairs maybe being born in these rooms. >> that's a double negative.

>> that's the other tension point. at some point where is the rational to be, you know, for kevin mccarthy when being a never never gets you a lot more? >> when does the random person by the way who never would walk in just wander in and go, you know, i was considering my options? >> exactly. >> the carpet in my office is rather shabby. >> all right. we are going to take a break now. our breaking coverage will continue here. the house is in progress for that 11th vote today as republicans are trying to hammer out a deal. so can they get there at this pivotal moment? we're live on capitol hill. plus, democratic come man roe canna is my guest. he put names out there. could this happen? would it be? i've always been a take two and call in the morning guy. but my new doctor recommended salonpas. without another pill upsetting my stomach, i get powerful, effective and safe relief. salonpas. it's good medicine. (burke) deep-sea driving, i see...

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welcome back to a special edition of "out front." the 11th round of voting isunder w -- is under way right now. kevin mccarthy is on track to lose that ballot as republicans are trying to hammer out a deal to bring some votes over although not enough. it doesn't appear. one of the kevin mccarthy holdouts saying the latest deal has quote the changes that we want but called it round one. some might say we're about to go on round 12. we're out front live on capitol hill. what is the latest you're hearing about a deal?

>> so there is an offer on paper. we're told. one of the members that went into the meeting, ralph norman, he's been a key holdout. he said he and others were invited into one of the meetings to review the offer. when he came out, he did offer a few details about what is in there. he said mostly revolves around rules changes including having 72 hours to read bills before they come to the floor. there is also promises about votes on term limits for members of congress. that is something that ralph norman was pushing for. and also a more open amendment process. what is not in the deal is promises about committee assignments. however, it doesn't mean that kevin mccarthy is not making promises. they may not be on paper form. that is something in a rules package. all the rules things. so committees may not be in the actual rules package. but as you you noted, erin, he said this is just round one. what they're trying to do is get an agreement to they can

adjourn. so even if they get an agreement on this deal, it doesn't mean that kevin mccarthy has the votes tonight or even tomorrow. there is also an incentive to wrap up the work pretty quickly because there are four members who might be out tomorrow on the republican side. that's what we're hearing. it may be more difficult to get work done tomorrow. so that's why you're seeing them work furiously tonight with negotiations. kevin mccarthy has been all over the capitol. he's been in the speaker suite and the ceremonial office and meetings on the floor, meetings in the dining room. just to give you a sense of how many moving pieces there are right now. so all signs right now are they're moving closer to a deal. a deal that might not even get kevin mccarthy speakership but at least a deal where kevin mccarthy can fight for another day. wolf? >> just a few -- get him a few votes but not enough. what is so amazing from her reporting though talking about what's in the deal is what isn't, right? when she says that at least on paper committee assignments have

not been discussed. we know for some of the holdouts that is crucial. so whether that is a strategic thing that he is planning to give out later or whether that would cause to lose spupport of people that have been supporting him. that stood out from the list. >> yeah. a lot of these people, they want to see it in writing. it's one thing to hear about a deal. they want to make sure it is something they really want. let's get analysis now from john king. what is your reaction when you hear the latest development that's melanie just reported? >> fascinating to hear. it shows you the leverage, the never kevin or the anti-kevin bem think they have for congressman norman to say this is just round one. think of been at this for months. they've been talking about this for months throughout the whole election year if we win what happens? put that aside. they've been that for three days. so that they can -- that the never kevin or anti-kevin or holdouts, whatever you want to call them, it's just proof they're going to keep asking for me. every time they get, they ask for more. if you look at the vote count,

they believe they have the leverage even though they're in the minority, they have the leverage. you see donald trump up there with one vote and how embarrassing that is to him. but matt gaetz would nominate donald trump for speaker of the house on january 5th hours away from the second anniversary of january 6th just tells you thou is not a serious enterprise. how at least many of the holdouts are not serious people. two years ago tomorrow donald trump tried to steal the country, tried to subvert the democracy that lives in that building. so it just shows you that this for some of them is just not a serious enterprise. it's a protest. it's a sport, call it what you will. matt gaetz can choose his own words. it's not about gofrpverning. >> it's repugnant. i mean the idea that you have a sitting member of congress standing in the place where at the time the speaker was hunted and --

>> the vice president of the united states was hunted by people stirred up by the president and now he's officially, formally nominated by one of the people who helped to turn that angeren that violence is absolutely repugnant. yes, it's not serious. yes, it shows how, you know, how kind of out to tlunclunch this proces process is, it's worse than. that it's just gross. >> you don't have to be a member of the house of representatives in order to be nominated to become the speaker of the house. you don't have to be a member of -- i'm sure trump is looking at the screen right now and sees he's got one vote and hakeem jeffries has 205 votes. you covered trump for a long time. how is he reacting to that? >> i imagine he's fine with being inserted into this at all. this had been an idea that people had been talking about in his world, the idea of

nominating him for. this throes do with trump. month tore do with the fact that they are trying to block kevin mccarthy. that's what the focus of this from that group of never kevins. there is another kevin on the board now. they're voting against him. and, of course, trump has been looming over all of this. but not in the way he wants. he had urged other republicans to vote for kevin mccarthy. it changed nothing. and so this seems to be a way for these hard-liners who are not voting for kevin mccarthy to get back in his good graces after they ignored his advice. which was to vote for kevin mccarthy. trump red trump predicted this would end. that's not happened. this is not anywhere close as you heard from melanie's reporting. i think what strikes me is to see from the back room negotiations happening we're not getting details of exactly what they're agreeing on. it's how frantic all of this is and speaks to the fact that this majority is so slim a yir ago kevin mccarthy was predicting they could flip 60 seats in the

house. look how slim the majority is that is causing him to give up all the power he would really have if he did become speaker. >> and it's connected to what we were just talking about. if you look at the reason why they didn't get to where they wanted to get and people predicted they were going to get, he himself predicted, he's largely because they had so many members who were not electable. in large part, in many cases, because of the election denialism. >> it's not just matt gaetz showing disrespect for what happened in these hallowed h halls. you remember a couple weeks after january 6 it was kevin mccarthy that went down to mar-a-lago and said to the country overall but to the republican party this is okay. this now has license to be part of our dna. the guy that stirred up january

6. so kevin mccarthy did that. in a lack of respect of what happened in those hallowed halls on january 6. we said this many times over the years, he didn't really seem to live up to the title of minority leader. you know, his actual title as leader. he seemed to be more of a follower. i think that is fully on display this week as to why this was not locked down. why you're seeing what kaitlyn is describing a frantic process right now. it is a failure of leadership, the actual position he is seeking, he's already shown this week even if he ends up with the gavel just the way this process is going that he doesn't have the credentials for that in terms of being able to effectively run this place. >> let's not forget one of the reasons he went to mar-a-lago was exactly for today. because he wants donald trump's

blessing because he thought he wouldn't be in this position with donald trump's blessing, it would take him over the top. i just want to talk about some texts i've been getting from members who are either allies of kevin mccarthy or have been voting with him. one of them said to me we don't know what's in this package. there is already concern that kevin mccarthy is giving away the store and that apart from the chaos and dysfunction that it is likely to bring as they go forward, they don't know what's in the works. i just want to come back finally to that one vote for donald trump. the votes against kevin mccarthy are all protest votes at this point. they could have more of them voted for donald trump. think didn't. i think it is very significant.

they're not scared of him and it speaks to how his power has really diminished, at least with this group. >> it's interesting, john. all 11 -- now 11 role calls have had the democratic leader in the house of representatives do better than the republican leader even though the republicans have majority in the house. >> it's -- yeah, it's hard to remember sometimes that it's a majority republican house. because the republicans are a family divided. and, you know, some republicans out there say well it's only 20. but when you have 222, you cannot afford to lose. kevin mccarthy cannot lose more than four votes. if people go home, maybe that number moves a little bit. but it is a stunning reminder. and the circumstances are different. i get it. but nancy pelosi and the democrats were able to pass very significant legislation, very significant legislation. some of which became law. some of which then died in the senate. but they were able to pass very significant controversial legislation within the democratic party with 222 votes.

the republicans have 222 votes and they can't even pick a leader. so this is just chapter one. whoever gets that gavel then has to lead a very unruly disruptive many of them anti-governing sheep. and so whether it's the debt ceiling, whether -- let's say, for example, joe biden actually gave -- he's going to go to the board tomorrow. they're saying he should go to the boerd. what -- border. what if he proposed a reasonable border deal. i'll give you border secure things that democrats will be mad about. give me a guest worker program. if you finally make this dreamers citizens of the united states. a bill that would if everyone is on truth serum have giant bipartisan support. they wouldn't vote for it. they would vacate the chair. if any republican speaker would try to sign on, they would kick them out. then there is the debt ceiling and more. >> we heard from the negotiators trying to come up with a compromise that it doesn't look like the votes right now to go

ahead and adjourn which is what kevin mccarthy would like to see happen. so they can do all of this in private. erin, lots going on right now. i covered congress for a long time. i certainly never seen anything like this. >> i mean, it is incredible. as wolf is saying, it sound like they don't have the votes to adjourn. patrick mchenry saying i want to bring in now republican congressman troy nells. he stood to nominate kevin mccarthy if you've been watching us today on the ninth ballot. congressman, here we are. i just mentioned patrick mchenry. a key negotiator. he is trying to lock in support for mccarthy for speaker he just said the house is not going to adjourn any time soon. are you prepared go all night? >> i'm a combat veteran and served in law enforcement for 30 years. i can be here until july. >> is that a metaphor for how you fweel this? is your support for kevin mccarthy -- there is nothing that can break or shake it at

this point? >> i don't know if you are aware, young lady, but i'm a member of the caucus. i'm a america first patriots. i said to my friends, my colleagues in the freedom caucus that i don't believe that this is the battle we should be waging. i think the real battle starts when we start drafting legislation and policy in the 118th congress under a speaker kevin mccarthy. you have to understand, the viewers have to understand, there is 35-40 of us in the house freedom caucus. if we have a simple small thin margin of 222 republicans it takes 218 of us to pass any legislation. right? the house freedom caucus is more relevant than ever. so i believe that is the battle. those are the conversations that should take place. because kevin mccarthy understands that in order for him to pass anything in this

118th congress, he's going to need support and endorsement from the house freedom caucus. that's when i believe we should have these conversations. >> i assume when you called me a young lady, that was a compliment. that i was will say was a bit rude. but i'm glad you're talking to me and i'll treat you with the respect that you deserve. >> sure. >> do you believe that there is going to be any sort of a deal that will get those five holdouts? and let me ask you, holdouts do you count there are? five? seven? eight? >> that's what's being reported. you know, you have five or so that have said they will never be mccarthy. we have to understand, too, that kevin mccarthy has a large majority of the conference. he has their support.

now let's say there are 160 that are saying nobody else but mccarthy. that's what i think the four or five have to look at. i mean, majority of the conference supports kevin mccarthy. he came up with a great plan with the commitment to america to help secure our southern border, fix the inflation, look at all the crisises we have going on in this country and i believe we have a road map to fix those. the american people gave us the gavel on january 8th because they're begging for leadership. they're giving the republicans gavel. let's lead. >> congressman, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> and as we were speaking, i just want everyone to know that matt gaetz was actually involved in a conversation on the house floor. as we're watching the tea leaves and every single conversation, i'll bring that one to everyone's attention. of course, congressman gaetz just nominated trump to be speaker. we continue our breaking news coverage, we're now learning president biden is watching the chaos surrounding the race for speaker. he's been getting briefed on it regularly. we're going to go live to the

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welcome back to our special coverage. the house now in the 11th round of voting for the house speaker. wolf? >> very dramatic. with kevin mccarthy right now on the verge of officially suffering his 11th -- 11th defeat including five defeats today. the chaos on capitol hill, something that president biden and his white house are paying very close attention to and for good reason. let's go to our chief white house correspondent phil mattingly. what you are hearing from the white house about how this is all unfolding? >> wolf, there are practical reasons to be paying attention. there are obviously legislative and political reasons to be paying attention. but one thing that so striking is when he contrast the drama on capitol hill in that house chamber with what you're hearing from white house officials here. there's a sense of normalcy to some degree. that is very, very noticeable given how things are playing out on capitol hill. when you talk to advisors, they make very clear they don't want to weigh in on what's happening

on capitol hill. they are certainly watching. the president has tuned in at various points throughout the course of the last three days. he's been briefed on how this process is playing out or to some degree not playing out over the course of the last three days. and they're keenly aware of the dynamics at play here. but they also had the view when you talk to white house officials that their job at this point to some degree at least according to one official i spoke to was to show that they're the adults in the room. this official said we're going to keep showing that we're here to get stuff done. there was obviously a very noticeable split screen when he appeared with mitch mcconnell in kentucky to talk about his truk l infrastructure law. the president holding a meeting with the entour cabinet. talking about the implementation of the major laws he passed in the first two years and also holding a notable immigration speech on a very difficult issue for this administration to grapple with before heading over to sign a condolence book for pope benedict earlier to night. it is just a regular schedule to

some degree. and that is intentional. when you talk to officials leading into this house republican majority, they continue to reiterate that they wanted to show that contrast as much as they possibly could. the political sense of things but also on the policy side. and that was what the president was going to be continuing to focus on throughout the weeks and months ahead to some degree it will be central focus of his state of the union when that occurs. the speaker needs to actually invite him to do that. i don't think anybody thought it was going to be this acute, this dramatic this early on. one final thing i would note, wolf, the president talking about immigration, giving a speech about immigration, deciding to go to the border on sunday, something republicans have called for for the better part two of years and something the president resisted because he's viewed it primarily as political theater, this is a moment that republicans have an opportunity to engage on an issue they have attacked the president and his team on relentlessly over the course of the last two years. they're nowhere to be found.

and that wasn't necessary lyn tensional. they made clear they've been planning the immigration related items for several weeks now. but the fact that they are engaging on this, the president is con fronting this issue at the border and going to physically go down there and house republicans are battling among themselves who knows what this is going to mean weeks or months from now. but there is a dominance of the message right now when it comes to the day-to-day policy aspects what is happening in the country and house republicans are not even in the game to some degree. they can't get their stuff together on the house floor, wolf. >> curious what you're hearing from your source officials there at the white house, phil. is there any chance that the white house might actually step in and try to help the republicans at any point deal with this crisis that's unfolding in the house of representatives? >> yeah. i asked about this probably 24 hours ago. and i was greeted with a laugh and absolutely no chance. so it seems very unlikely. i think, look, it's been interesting to watch the president. he's engaged on this even while

his team chooses no the to over the course of the last three days several times with reporters. and his response has kind of evolved over the course of the last several days. there was initial concern when democrats were amused enjoyed certain aspects of things. it demonstrated the u.s. government once again was having problems with just the basic function, something he long raised concerns about in terms of how that looks to foreign leaders, how it looks to countries around the world. but earlier today after those immigration remarks, he was asked if he was still monitor things and the president said i've been monitoring them with great -- and then paused and looked at kamala harris and said -- attention. and he said attention. smiled, shook his head, shook his head and walked out. there is a level of befuddlement at this point. >> phil, appreciate it. erin, this is still unfolding. we don't know what's going to happen in the next hour or two. >> no, we don't. i mean, it is a complete

unknown. we know that kevin mccarthy wanted to adjourn. maybe didn't have the votes. then patrick mchenry said they're going to be there a long time. scott, what are you hearing right now? >> one might be on the floor told me looks like the republicans may try to get to an adjournment motion shortly. if the republicans were able to get the votes together to adjourn, that likely signals that mccarthy made progress in this meeting he's been having with the 20 holdouts. >> all right. and here's the thing, david. the details of adjournment matter. i never thought those words would come out of my mouth. >> noon tomorrow. >> okay. if it's noon tomorrow, then you're coming back into session, by our understanding, you'll have at least four republicans not there and those four republicans are mccarthy supporters. ken buck is not there now. but that makes the math more difficult. so you're coming back into session even if you're making progress with less support. >> and i don't think you're going to get. there i think they're going to

continue to work. i've been saying this since we started, don't let anybody leave the room. keep everybody in the room. i think they'll come back and stay there on saturday if they have to on sunday and you'll get a deal at some point, right? you may not come up with the five or six outstanding people but you'll get as close as you're going to get. >> and you think -- >> god forbid they work over the weekend in this dysfunction and disgrace to our democracy. let's -- i guess kevin mccarthy needs credit. he made history already today. not since the civil war have we seen this level of dysfunction or anyone's watch. >> only when the twinkle in your eye was visible that i knew -- >> that's good of you to give me credit. >> i thought it was important to do right now. but in all seriousness, look, if the biggest win can you get is live to fight another day that, is good for kevin mccarthy. not sure it's good -- it's not particularly good for the republic. there is still no end in sight and the compromises and concessions being made are going

to further hobble this congress' ability to get anything done in what let us not forget a divided congress. it's going to require some compromise. if that is hobbled out of the gate, what is the important of running the race? >> you know, i think, and those of that have been around the congress and legislative bodies that understand if you rally your troops behind them, then you rally them against something else. and what he has been doing for the last few days is rallying his troops against this core group of opponents saying if they -- we can't let them win. and letting them win, he defines as me losing. we can't -- no one else can win otherwise they win. so, you know, this is a tactic that he's -- >> again, we were talking about this before off air. kevin mccarthy lost an election night. he had 22 votes, we knew this was coming. he was never going to have an aggressive legislative aagenda

ya -- aagendagenda. basic, basic tasks. they're all going to require for them to work across the aisle. >> erin, i want to say something about phil mattingly and his report. you know, one of the reasons joe biden got elected is because he looked like an anti-dote to the chaos of the trump years. the reason that democrats did better than expected in november is because there was a sense that biden was a calming influence. >> all right. let's listen in. she has just gavelled the house in again. so let's see what's about to happen. >> most important woman in washington. >> all right. she did gavel. >> i think what we're waiting on

is to see whether the republicans can put together a motion to adjourn here and can they get the votes to adjourn until noon tomorrow? and if they do, that probably signals some help for kevin. >> gavelled again. >> you know, i -- >> they agree in the talley that's the total number of votes cast is 432. of which the honorable hakeem jeffries of the state of new york has receive d 212.

>> the honorable kevin mccarthy of the state of california has received the honorable byron donalds of the state of florida has received 12. the honorable kevin hearn of the state of oklahoma has received 7. the honorable donald j. trump of the state of florida has received one. with one recorded as present. no nominee having received the majority of the votes cast, a speaker has not been elected. for what purpose does the gentleman from louisiana seek recognition? >> madam clerk, i move that the house stands adjourned until

tomorrow. >> the question is on the motion that the house stands adjourned until noon tomorrow. those in favor say aye. >> aye! >> those opposed no. >> no! >> and the opinion of the chair, the no's have it. the yeas and nays request it. those in favor of the vote will rise. a sufficient number have risen. members will record their votes by electronic device. this will be a 15-minute vote.

>> okay. 15 minutes. can i just say, the drama of that moment was incredible. the clerk giving it to the no's. i want to stay here and keep counting your votes over and over again. it was pretty unbelievable. look, one thing david said earlier, if you're in kevin mccarthy's position, you are in a position of saying if they win, you lose, right? it's the us against them. it's the demonizing the opponent. that is the thing that is keeping this going. but the reality is that beneath that veneer is the narcissism and the egotism of one person, and that is kevin mccarthy. all of this that we're watching, america is watching, the white

house is watching is frankly the erosion of confidence of one chamber of our legislative branch because of the ambush and ego because of one man. >> i don't know, actually. let's just take a minute here. we didn't get here by accident. this moment has been years in the making. so much of what we have seen playing itself out today is a proxy fight for what we have seen playing itself out throughout the republican party. we sat here on election night. and i said this is the party that the gop has wrought. this is how we got here. >> that is true. >> not just because of kevin mccarthy. >> they wouldn't have brought this to the floor if they didn't think they have the votes. can i just say, play this out as we're waiting here for the next ten minutes, what if they lose? what if they do not get a motion to adjourn? >> this is a huge vote. i think steve scalise thinks he has the votes or he wouldn't have done it, but this is a big vote and will tell us whether kevin moved people in that

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kevin mccarthy can succeed in getting congress to adjourn until tomorrow. this actually is a huge vote. obviously, do you think he's got the votes from what you understand on the floor? >> i haven't been able to predict anything this week. so i don't know if they have the votes. but i'll tell you, i voted no. i think we ought to stay here in the people's house until we have a speaker. if we have to stay here all night, stay here all weekend, i don't understand why we're adjourning. in other workplaces, if you don't get the job done, you stay at work. you don't just get to go home. >> so we're in a situation where this is happening because the republicans are not able to get the votes together to pick a speaker. you have come out, congressman, and said something early. you were bold in saying it, that you are open to crossing party lines to support specifically a moderate republican for speaker. you named brian fitzpatrick, mike gallagher, or david joyce. have you had any talks today about this possibility?

>> well, first i said that i'd love to see six republicans vote for hakeem jeffries. but i said at the same time i'd be open to looking at a republican if they made certain important concessions. if they agreed that they wouldn't hold this country hostage to a debt ceiling debate, if they wouldn't hold the country hostage to a shutdown, and if they wouldn't have a unilateral subpoena power where they go launch frivolous investigations against the president. some democrats have criticized this. and here is my question to them. would they rather have a kevin mccarthy or whoever make deals with the far right, which is going to mean two years of utter division, possible default on the debt ceiling, or should we look to have someone who is going to work cooperatively with this president? i think we have to look at all alternatives. >> so in your conversations with your colleagues, your democratic colleagues specifically, are there others who feel the way you feel? >> sure. but i don't think they are necessarily going to be public. and look, we've been very unified. we have voted for hakeem

jeffries i think ten times in a row united. the first option can be can we get six republicans to vote for hakeem jeffries? i think that would be the best solution for the country. but if we can't, then we have to look at the alternative. and one of those alternatives is can we get some key concessions from a republican and have a coalition that way? that is far preferable to what's going on today, which is that kevin mccarthy is moving further and further to the right, and basically, if he does succeed, is going to sell the house to the farthest right part of the republican party. where you have some members saying we want to default on the debt. that's the only way we're going to vote for kevin mccarthy. i just don't understand how that is a good outcome for this president, for the country, or the democratic party. >> so there is -- just to be clear here, to state what you're saying a different way, there is no way you would ever support anything like a rules change to allow a speaker to be picked by a simple majority that would help kevin mccarthy or any other

way that would help kevin mccarthy given what you're saying? >> no. i would certainly defer to hakeem jeffries in terms of any negotiation directly with kevin mccarthy. but he could have come to hakeem jeffries. just like john boehner came to nancy pelosi to save this country in the financial crisis. he could have come to hakeem. he has chosen instead to deal with the far right and make concession after concession. and that should be -- i get right now it's a republican mess. but, look, it's going to be a mess for the united states of america if we have a speaker of the house beholden to the farthest right. >> all right. congressman ro khanna, i appreciate your time. always appreciate speaking to you. >> thank you. >> good night, sir. and thanks so much to all of you. waiting for this vote. going to find out, adjourn or not. a crucial test for kevin mccarthy in our special coverage of that vote and the vote for speaker continues now with "ac 360." ♪