>> well good evening, everyone,

i am laura coates, and this is cnn tonight. well, here we go again. they will come back and do it all over again a couple of hours. you know exactly what i am talking about because the house voted to adjourn until noon tomorrow, a vote that kevin mccarthy won by a skin of his teeth. and coming back to vote again, because there has not yet been a speaker of the house elected. it's all right now about buying time for more negotiations behind closed doors, so the fact that the motion to adjourn even past, that's a little bit of good news for kevin mccarthy. he did speak to manu raju just a little while ago saying that he still believes that he will become the next speaker of the house, but he would not commit to when that would actually take place or even getting it wrapped up by tomorrow. >> wrapped up by tomorrow night? >> no, i am not putting timeline on it. i think we have progress going on, members talking. i think we have a little movement, so we will see. >> we will have more from manu

raju in a moment, kevin mccarthy has suffered what many are calling five humiliating defeats. that was just today, and you can add that to what happened in the past several days. his own party has told him, no, that comes from congressman laura boebert, that we don't want you. a total of 11 times this week. this frankly is nothing like any of us have seen, at least in our lifetimes. we've heard about it, may have read about it, known that it could've happened, but this is the longest speaker contests in 164 years. i don't want to scare you all the way but back in 1855, the contest respeaker at that time, it went for 132 bouts. right now, we are in the small potato category law of this. but here we are tonight, 11 votes, and there is still not a speaker of the house, and this, frankly, all of this dysfunction, what is known as a dispersing display by capitol hill right now, the seemingly complete inability to get the job done or even be able to

move past this particular hurdle and begin doing the jobs that many have come to actually do and were elected to do, well, maybe, is this a preview of what is going to come down the road? you have to wonder if congress will be able to get a lot done, if anything in the near future, if there can't be the cohesion to elect a speaker of the house. i want to get right to manu raju, who is on capitol hill. manu, good to see you. look, all the chaos that is happening right now, we're actually hearing from the man of the past 36 hours and beyond, kevin mccarthy. what is he saying? >> he still thinks he can get there. he does not know when he will get the 218 votes, but eventually, he believes he will, and the reason why he does is

because there has been furious negotiations that have been taken place since yesterday. there have been talks happening since the aftermath of the election, but really in the last 48 hours, 24 hours, just this past day, they have really intensified. in fact, behind closed doors, one of his top lieutenants office, there was a meeting that still going on with holdouts in that room. kevin mccarthy has been part of those discussions, so he believes eventually, when the deal is reached, that will help them get some support and even more support, as he tries to get the other holdouts. he also defended the concessions that he has made, even though some concern that have made him a weaker speaker. >> no, i am not putting a timeline on it, i think the progress coming on, member stuff, i think we have a little movement, so we will see. >> have you ever had to walk back the threats? >> i did not make those.

>> was that a mistake to make that are? >> i did not make a. >> michael rogers. did >> you say i make the threat. i did not make that there. members will not lose their -- >> -- >> or working through it and make good progress today. >> people will never go for you? >> we're three days into this, it's the longest since the 1850s. >> i had a long speech on the floor, so apparently, i made history. >> are you concerned that you're giving one member the power to ask you if you are speaker. >> that's the way it's always been. i think i am very fine. it has not undercut the power of all the speakers? >> it was used over john boehner. >> since 1859, doesn't inherently mean you'll be a weaker speaker? >> are you concerned that there might be more than four who

will never vote for you, among the republicans? >> no, i think we can get there. >> do you plan to go to conference? >> are you worried about losing votes from moderates? >> everybody is involved, and they had to get there completely. >> mr. mccarthy -- >> can i finish his answer first to his question? >> look, this is a new thought that that we will have to have. we have a five seed majority, so it's not one side will get more than the other. it's the entire conference will have to learn how to work together. it's better that we got through this process right now, so we can achieve the things that we want to achieve for the american public, what our commitment was. so at this takes longer and is not me that, and that is okay, because it's not how you start, it's how you finish. if you finish well, we will be very successful. >> you put to go to conference, mr. mccarthy? >> you've been doing this for two months, why would it not be sorted out before generator. >> mr. mccarthy, do plan to go to conference?

>> the last part, we try to soar it up for generators. i asked them about why did you not resolve this before, because they had a difficult time doing it. difficult time closing out a deal now because even, laura, if they do get some republicans to back this deal that they're trying to cut to give essentially the rank and file members, the far-right members, more leverage over the speakership, giving more sway over the legislative process, that does not mean that they will get all those hold out the gift of mccarthy to entertain footsie needs. you will have to negotiate further with some others other holdouts with other concerns, which is why the expectation is that it will be difficult to get to that point. tomorrow, we'll see if they get their next week or if at all. >> difficult is generous. it feels like in many respects, every parent knows, if you give a mouse a cookie, right? . the negotiations began long ago, before the midterm elections is still ongoing, and that nato has not seemed to move.

you do wonder about that. what was the rhyme? the weaker speaker, phenomenon, you spoke about. but there is a deadline, manu? what is the plan, at least initially, tomorrow, what some lawmakers can actually be there? what would that mean for the progress of all this and for mccarthy in particular? >> i think it almost certainly means that they would not be able to get this done tomorrow because some of those people are leaving our supporters of kevin mccarthy. if they're not there, that will change the threshold for how much a majority to elect a speaker would go below 218 votes, because a majority of those who are present and voting, that's how they count the votes. but that does not necessarily mean that would help him, the supporters aren't there may be more difficult for them to reach that threshold. that underscores the fact that the likely way. the other thing to note, my colleague's, mommy zanona, are reporting that there will be a conference call tomorrow with the four republican conference, and they decided to do a

conference call instead of a closed door meetings like they did on tuesday, and that tuesday morning meeting was very harsh, lots of curse words, yelling at each other, and a lead to actually a difficult situation. a lot of people say that it's almost hard in the opposition to mccarthy, made it more difficult to get to this because ship, instead of doing an in-person meeting, during a phone call tomorrow instead, hoping it goes better and see it taking at their. >> manu, one could square on the phone, as well as they could in person. i don't know. >> they can also hit new and not let people respond. >> the covid zoom call, generation at this point, the idea of having the amity and distance to really speak once mind, it might even be a worse scenario, but you know, to be a fly on that wall or to have that zoom meeting i. d., who knows. thank you so much, manu. >> i want to bring in congressman-elect, because without a speaker, no one could technically be sworn in, congressman-elect, ryan zinke, a montana republican and, yes, the head of sears. i'm glad that you are here, congressman. but what do you make of what is

happening right now. i'm calling you congressman -elect. we are days at the time when you should be called congressman. days after committee assignments off the bat been handed out, security clearances, reinstated are given for the first time, a speaker being established. did you expect at this late hour, on a thursday, that we would still not know the speaker of the house? >> i think it's unexpected, but at this point in time, it's not really about the speaker or mccarthy or a personality, it's about whether or not the republican party, the caucus itself, can be functional. because all of us, we were elected to do a job, and we can't even begin to do the job unless we have the first step as a speaker. there's a lot going on, and we have high boot, oh, melissa, this little process both sides of the aisle, recognize we have problems, and we have to address them. having a speaker fight upfront, and you look at the caucus. we have about 200, sometimes a

little over 200, which is more than 90% of the caucus, firmly behind kevin mccarthy. you have a small majority, and word is this majority get their base? it's not conservative, because jim jordan is certainly not a moderate, so jim jordan is behind mccarthy, so is president trump, so is the majority of the freedom caucus. so you have a small majority of holdouts that is holding to a degree, hostage over the body. now the problem is, the longer it goes, the less likely we will get done the things we settled get done. investigation, oversight over the administration. we've said we would curb the budget. that means yet to go in regular order. all those things have to be done, and in many cases, those things have to be done with a unified effort. >> but that's the point, and i

know it's a slip of the tongue in terms of this is a minority compared to the overall body of the republicans, but they had the power, really, of a majority, being able to say, i am shutting down but the greater caucus and cause wants, but it is interesting because all of these notions, you got a lot to get done and, frankly, even though republicans are suffering in the inter party disputes, it impacts democrats are. now they are also congressman person elects, many are not in the same boats, of course, but you see that this is not bode well for the american public, i would assume. you have all these things to get done, if this initial hurdle cannot be cleared, how is their confidence that you would like the electorate to believe that there is possible to get those things done with this hold a minority? >> you're right, and erodes the credibility of the institution. the institution is a body, does

not mean a single individual gets their way. a single individual custer influence, and it's the body that the sides. we're a democracy, so you need 51%, in the caucus. if you run a primary and get 90% of the republican party, you would think that you are in good shape, but a minority no's ruling the rules, and there is progress being made, and i agree with mccarthy, there is progress being made, in inches. we need yards, many first downs, and we need to score, but there is progress being made, and i still remain an optimist, but we have to realize, what is the higher purpose? as he put out, the higher purpose is to serve the people, and i am from montana, and in montana, water is important, as an example. the administration reenacted the water of the u.s. rules. now congress can act and the funded and mitigate some of the damage. the second amendment, things that are important to montana. those are important to montana. there are other issues important to the states. we cannot address any of those unless we are a functional body. it is not the speaker. i was a seal.

i could tell you, i've been a lot of battles in my life, and not every battle has been run by a commanding general like george paton, because general austin wars. the frontline ones worse, and in the house, the speaker is the head, but it's the body, the members the pass the bills, the committee chairs. >> you are a seal, as you say, let's talk about a former commander in chief. donald trump, who is running for reelection again, he is running again today as an alternative to kevin mccarthy. he only got one vote in favor. i wonder how you judge that and how you view the, given his role within your own party? >> certainly, he has influence, he's behind, absolutely, he's behind mccarthy and they ignored him. in some cases, they called him

out. i think that is absolutely inappropriate, and i don't know whether -- we'll, to have a vote for president trump be the speaker 's a castaway, and i think it invokes, it's not a series vote. let's get serious because the job is serious. being a congressman is a responsibility, it's an honor but it's a responsibility, and he should take that responsibility seriously. -- is the responsibility that i don't know what the threshold is for nick tips the scale and the patience is gone, but is their responsibility that congressman mccarthy has to bow out if they cannot get to this 218, or the absolute majority benchmark? >> every day gets longer for someone. let's take fentanyl for instance, we probably lost 600 americans through fentanyl in a very short period of time the

problem's not going away unless congress gets in and forces the administration to address it. the border. what we serve as our constituents as the american people, the longer this is carried out the less effective the house is. if you are on the republican side of the aisle, we have the majority of the house, but we do not have that majority of the senate. we do not have the majority, obviously, we do not have the administration. so if you are republican and you believe in conservative values, we have to be united to defend those values. when we are not united we are not effective. so being non effective means that we cannot address energy, inflation, nor can we have an adequate checks and balance of what the constitution demands and set up and structured. >> is there a point when that unity could happen if it were not kevin mccarthy, and you would support another candidate and nominee if that would lead to that level of unity?

>> a minority cannot be victorious over terms. a lot of terms, where we want this personal issues. we want energy policy, a balanced budget, i mean i want a balanced budget. i want to check spending. i want america to be prospers, every american wants it to be prosperous. but when they say that we won this for a member, we want this personal gain, then that is where the line was drawn. you have two sides, but they are working together, they are talking and they are making progress again in inches, i am hoping that we make some first downs and get through this because we owe it to our constituents to get to work. i was sent here to work and fix problems and not to be a soundbite for chaos. chaos weakens the institution, it weakens the credibility of the members, and i think it frustrates america that we are

dysfunctional. if i have advised everybody is to take a deep breath, be red white and blue, do our duty, let's get a speaker and hold him accountable. generals do not win wars. everybody needs to go to the front line, do your duty as a member, hold everyone responsible, do your committee work, do the hard work that is required. look at the budget, let's make sure that we have inflation, let's talk about affordable housing, and talk about things that montana and our constituents want. that is what we need to. do >> the next time you come, we can hopefully be able to call you congressman. >> i hope so. >> nice talking to you, thanks for stopping by. everybody, will you can bet the horse trading and the to get the work done is going to go on through the night. but all of the confessions that mccarthy's already made, it is not seem to have gotten him very far. nothing but 11 defeats, so what is this incremental progress and will it lead to the acres

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it's a moment for the history books now on capitol hill, tonight. the house adjourned, again, this time after another five votes that brings the total for those two doing the math to 11. 11 votes that kevin mccarthy is no closer to being speaker. and even though negotiations are going on through the night, there are questions that are going over whether he can actually win over the hard-liners without losing some of his own key moderate supporters. joining me now, political director, -- political analyst -- and former gop congressman joe walsh. glad to have you will hear. we'll begin with you, david, because this is historic for a number of reasons. the other h word being used is humiliation. i'm wondering are congressman -elect were speaking about this,

is inky, about the stamina. the idea to just keep going and try and try. is there an appetite for people who are even supporters of mccarthy right now to keep going? >> so far, there has been. so far, we haven't seen real defections from kevin mccarthy. and the stamina thing is clearly the mccarthy strategy here. there's no doubt about that. listen, i think today was just a study in public versus private. we hear all these reports that in private, progress is being made, these negotiations are productive, they're still talking this hour right now, laura, and that is a positive sign for mccarthy, he thinks. that he's going to be able to show some progress. on the floor, in public, there's been no progress. there's been no progress at all, other than he was able to adjourn for a second night. if that's your big victory -- >> and that was a close call. >> last night was a little closer. tonight, he only had one republican vote with the

democrats against adjournment. last night, it was for. if that's what he wants to claim as a victory, that's a pretty lonely victory there. he clearly, i thought, you saw him look at the -- talking to reporters. he does not know if he can get there. he sort of was like, i think we can. and i'm going to stay out this. but i didn't get the sense from kevin mccarthy in that conversation with reporters, that he knows he's gonna get to two 80. >> you agree? >> you could hear it in the video that we are playing, where he was taking long pauses every time he was asked. well, or you can get there tomorrow? >> maybe, i think so? we're making progress? he didn't know entering this week that are gonna have the votes, and right now, as we're nearing the end of the week, he's not sure if he has the votes either. one of the things that i think really stands out to me about all of this, and we were talking about this, the issue of governing period when it comes to actually what has to happen down the road. funding the government and also increasing the debt limit. and increasing the debt limit

is where things get dangerous. because if you don't even have the votes for speaker, and republicans don't have the votes to support increasing the debt limit, then the country default on its debt, and that has real life implications for americans in terms of medicare benefits could potentially be cut, social security could potentially be cut, all of those things happen. interest rates go up. so, i think that those are the real world implications of what ultimately could happen this very year. >> i was talking to republicans wait on this earlier today, when his comment was, this was interesting to watch, of course, and everyone should be, but he thought it was hyperbolic in a way to suggest that nothing was going to ever get done in the house, because they don't have a speaker quite yet. he seemed to suggest that there was some time that they had to massage this issue, there was time to negotiate, because the

real hard-hitting issues, the debt ceiling and others, the deadline is coming up. weren't quite yet. and that's not just a lot of confidence and how things work, but to laura's point, look, this is not about whether the deadline is right now, but about when you ultimately have to meet that challenge, if this is how you do it, what's gonna happen? >> well, this portends two years of utter chaos. this isn't a crisis yet, laura. this is one political parties saying confidence in dysfunction. but this is what's gonna play out for two years. and we forget that we're talking about lauren boebert and matt gates and 20 hard-liners. but the minute we have a speaker, marjorie taylor greene, jim jordan, the extremists, the magazine that caucus, or way more than 20. so, when it comes to things like the debt limit, and funding the government, it's gonna be a lot more than 20. this is a mega republican conference. >> here's what i think is so interesting, and very rosy top from kevin mccarthy and his

allies. one of the things we've heard from them over the last few days, even tonight, mccarthy was saying, this is going to be the hard -- we're gonna work this out now in this speaker vote. and getting these rules adopted. and then everyone will have learned how to work together in the conference with what it means to be together with the five vote majority. and it will make all the stuff that joe and laura are talking about, it will be doable, because -- that seems to me to be unbelievably rose colored glasses. >> yesterday, it was from congress, this is just messy, it's messy. now it's just, oh, it's a good thing. we're working on it now. i wonder from the democratic side, is there any incentive for the democrats to want to help? >> no. >> you all can't shake your head no fast enough. where you shaking your head? >> well, i think no. because right now, they're able to say, we are totally united.

and we know how to elect our leaders. and let the republicans disarray continue to show that they potentially are not prepared to govern. again, and all the points that we're talking about, when mccarthy giving -- this small faction, whether the ability to vacate him from the speakership, either with one vote or with five votes, that can ultimately mean the democrats have to come to that speakers rescue, whoever it is. so that when they stay in power. because of the fact that again, on the debt limit, if those five or more than them decide we don't want to vote to increase the debt limit, all have to do is go and say, we're gonna raise a motion to vacate the chair. and try to kick mccarthy out to avoid a debt limit increase. >> if you believe this republican party is a threat to our democracy, i do, as a former republican, the democrats do. well, you've got to leave them alone. let them do their thing. because your job then is to defeat them in 24. and the easiest way that's gonna happen is to show how dysfunctional and chaotic they

are, these next two years. >> it strikes me is interesting, because a few years ago, democrats were often criticized because they seemed to be playing a different game than republicans. they were talking about democrats are also looking for the moral high ground to say, we're not a party that would do this. there contort themselves to try and do what was the right thing, case in point, about issues about members of their own caucus if they wanted to ask to resign and beyond. is this an example right now, where democrats are saying, we've learned a lesson. and that moral high ground issue you guys go ahead and figure out that's not gonna reward us yet. >> from a pure political standpoint, listen number one in politics, rule number one, do not get in your opponents way when they are doing the damage themselves. and that we are seeing here. i think what laura was saying, if we do get into in chaotic environment with chairs vacated, and are already in the governing phase, and we're up

against the debt limit, the incentives may be different. and the country's reaction may be different. i'll give you a little fun fact on the democratic side. >> i love a fun fact. >> nancy pelosi just stepped down after 20 years as leader. she was put in nomination ten times by house democrats to be the speaker candidate, whether or not they have the majority depends if she got speaker. well, it only took three days for akeem jeffries to be that nancy pelosi record, he's now moved into the nomination 11 times. >> that's what someone call progress. >> that is a fun fact. at the end of the fun fact we're gonna hear about the next few days, rolled more on this historic and chaotic vote for the speaker of the house ahead, but next, when there is shocking details about what happened the night the four students were stabbed to death in their home and idaho. concluding the terrifying thing we learned that there was an eyewitness, and what the eyewitness may have seen.

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death, late last year, making his initial court appearance in idaho today. court documents released today are offering, for the first time, a clearer picture of just what happened in the early hours of november 13th, including a surviving roommates encounter with the alleged killer. cnn correspondent veronica miracle has more. >> dna evidence, a suspicious vehicle in a new witness account. critical information released publicly for the first time. details that led to the arrest of brian kohberger, who was charged with the brutal stabbings of four university of idaho students more than seven weeks ago. >> mr. kohberger, i'm going to advise you of the rights that you have in this case. >> he appeared in an idaho courtroom courtroom today, looking straight ahead it and not at the victims family members. >> do you understand these rights? >> yes. >> the new court document places the murders between four a. m. and 4:25 am on november 13th.

according to an affidavit released today, kohberger nay profile obtained from the trash at his family's home, matched dna on a tanned leather night knife sheath left behind at the crime scene, and was found laying on the bed of one of the victims. the same document says one of the surviving roommates says she was awoken around four a. m., heard crying from -- a room, and heard a voice say, it's okay i'm going to help you. and that you heard the crying and saw a figure clad in black clothing and a mask. she describes him as 5:10 or taller, male, not very muscular, but athletically built with bushy eyebrows. saying he walked past her as she stood in a frozen shock to face. but questions still remain about why no one called 9-1-1 until almost eight hours later. the affidavit says security video around the time of the murders picked up distorted audio of what sounded like voices or a whimper, followed by a loud thud. a dog can also be heard barking.

the document also details multiple sightings of a suspect vehicle from surveillance footage, showing a white hyundai elantra like this one, that helped lead to kohberger zola's arrest. about two weeks after the murders, police from washington state university, where cobra tended school, flagged his vehicle, later seen at a traffic stop in mid december in indiana, while traveling with his father to pennsylvania. >> is it your car? okay. >> before the cross-country drive, and just five days after the brutal murders, kohberger received a new license plate for his car, according to washington state licensing documents. and according to investigators, cell phone records suggest that kohberger's phone was near the victims residence at least a dozen times in the last six months, including about five hours after police believed he committed the murders, suggesting he may have returned to the crime scene. still, no evidence was released that connects kohberger's to the victims or any indication of a motive. in court today, kohberger seated with a new court

appointed attorney, responded to each charge of murder. >> do you understand? >> yes. >> the attorney for the family a victim kayleigh gonzalez today, reacting to this proceedings. >> it's obviously an emotional time for the family, seeing the defendant for the first time. this is the beginning of the criminal justice system. and the family will be here for the long haul. >> the family of kayleigh gone solves hardly ever took their eyes off of but cobra during the proceedings. he's due in court january 12th. laura? >> veronica, thank you so much. we've got more new reporting tonight on what brian kohberger was doing at his parents house in pennsylvania. stay with us.

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tonight, we've got more new details about what allegedly happened in the fatal stabbing deaths of four university of idaho students late last year. i want to bring in cnn senior law enforcement analyst, andrew mccabe. he's also the author of the threat, how the fbi protects america in the age of terror in trump. also here with us, cnn chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst, john miller.

who's joining me now, you've got some new reporting tonight on the suspect, john, what are you learning? >> what we've learned from sources who are briefed on what the surveillance teams made of the pennsylvania -- saw when they set up on kohberger's house in pennsylvania, number one, he left washington state university about four days before the semester break started. so, it seems that he was in a hurry to get out of there and get home. that, of course, is about seven days after police announced that they're looking for a white elantra, or any information about someone driving one in the area. when he gets there, what we're told, is the surveillance team sees him cleaning that elantra from top to bottom, inside and out, not skipping a single spot. to get it spick and span, wearing surgical gloves as he moves things in and out of the car. at one point, he comes out at

4:00 in the morning to take the garbage out, but he takes the garbage from his house and puts it in the neighbors bins. now, laura, as veronica just reported in the last section, this is the trash that the fbi recovered and found items that gave them the familial dna match that linked him to that crime. >> it's pretty unbelievable to think about all of this happening, andrew, because, first of all, just the idea that they have a suspect. it's someone who's been arrested. but they're reporting in part that he returned to this house, or he was at this house, and his cell phone has been pinging at this location for a number of times, at least 12 different times? what stood out to you reading the fact that all of this was in the probable cause, by the way, what stood out to you? >> it's an extraordinary affidavit. it goes far beyond probable cause, in my estimation. but some of the really incredible work that the local police and their partners, the state police, and of course the fbi are doing behind the scenes, without any of us knowing, is

that they were very careful about not sharing many details of their investigation. one of those elements was this very detailed telephone analysis, where they, once they know a person's cell phone, they can look at which towers that cell phone is pinging off of to try and triangulate, and essentially put you in a general area. they know that in the months leading up to the murder, mr. kohberger's cell phone was seen in the area of the house 12 times before the murder. on the night of the murder, but the phone leaves his residence and it mysteriously is not connected anywhere. maybe it shut off. maybe it's a site within a service. and then it comes on again, not far from the residence not far from the residence and it seen back to his residence. finally, the next morning, the phone pings again in the immediate area near the scene of the murder, at around 9 am. hours before the murders even reported to police. it's very damning.

>> you and i talked in the past, jonnel bring you back in here, about the idea that -- people saying, sometimes people who commit crimes, and again, this person, you know, the burden of proof the presumption of innocence is still there. but just more broadly, so those were committed the crimes to become so invested and want to be around in the aftermath to see what's happening, sometimes even attending vigils and beyond, but what strikes me, in particular here, john, many people are saying, how could there have been surviving roommates? and thank god there were, but surviving roommates? what role did they have in alerting the authorities? did they hear anything? we learned some of that today. >> so, that is particularly vexing question at this point. which is, you have a roommate who here is crying, who hears a thud, who hears the dog barking. who here's the strange voice say, it's okay, i'm gonna help you. and then sees a figure dressed

in black, wearing a mask covering half its face, walk straight by her and out the glass sliding door in the rear. no, at that point, the question is, okay, why didn't that person go upstairs, check on the others? call the police? there's a prowl or, there's a burglar. but, i mean, we have to take ourselves back to when we were in college or lived in a group house or a dorm. somebody has a fight with a boyfriend, they're screaming and yelling, you know, somebody leaves. we can only speculate as to what that person's train of thought was, except we get a clue. what she said to investigators was, after that figure left and looked directly at her and didn't take any action against her, that she locked the door and stayed inside. so, that's gonna be a story we're probably not gonna here until the trial. >> it's true, thinking about that, andrew, there are questions about the random nature of a crime like this. the idea that there would be survivors in an instance like this. but also, i'm, i'm curious of

what you make of the court -- the fbi was involved. the idea of dna. their surveillance. what do you make of how this is all unfolding? because initially, people were looking at this particular police department, the pr team and going, why don't we know more? including the families, who were completely, you know, frustrated. and obviously disheartened. they didn't have more. >> really ham fisted handling by the pr folks of the local police department early on. we got conflicting statements, targeted attack, but yet, there's no danger to the community. then, oh yes, maybe there is a danger to the community, look out. >> did that seem intentional now looking back? >> you know, it's hard for me to imagine it was intentional. what we do know, they actually had a high degree of collaboration with their state and federal partners. and that's a good thing, because good work was done here. they lead and built a strong

case so far. they've got a very good suspect in this case, and let's remember, laura, we have no idea what sort of evidence the law enforcement has recovered from the numerous search warrants that have taken place after the arrest. so, you have the footprint they found near the residence on the morning after the murders, so did they find a shoe that actually matches that footprint? that sort of stuff, as john said, we'll have to wait and see how that comes out a trial. >> we certainly will, there's a lot more information to try and unpack. gentlemen, thank you so much. also next, there is a moment from all the voting, but maybe a lot of people missed. well, we spied the former speaker, nancy pelosi, reading an article that is, well, pretty pointed. we'll show you what it was after this. humpty dumpty does it with a great fall.

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three days of voting and kevin mccarthy has failed to become the house speaker. three days later, but after 11 ballots. they're gonna try again tomorrow to bring order to the chaotic republican conference. former house speaker, nancy pelosi, is calling the drawn out process frivolous and disrespectful. she was actually paging through a magazine during the fourth round of voting, and the illustration was a picture of mccarthy, you're right. it is. she was reading an article in an issue, a recent issue of the new yorker titled, what kevin mccarthy will do to gain power. what will pelosi read tomorrow during the 12th vote for speaker? that everything else you should

be looking forward to, we're live on capitol hill, next. plus, cnn obtaining audio from one of the medics who worked at the bills bengals game from the moment damar him lynn collapsed. we're gonna play that for you in the next hour. feel like... sound like... even smell like. more on that soon. ♪ ♪ the best part? the prequel is pretty sweet too. ♪ ♪