wonder for you how surreal it is. when i moved to new york in 2001, a lot, it was so great, largely because of a lot he had done. >> which is not to say he was not a controversial mayor. and one of the things i learned on 9/11, i was 27, 28 when i became his chief speechwriter. i learned a lot from the man. all this own evolution in its own way has been painful to watch. >> surreal for you. >> of course it is. it was a long time ago. to see the descent from america's mayor. the principles he advanced. one idea i loved was to be locked into partisan politics doesn't allow you to think clearly. >> it's like two different people. you know what, i was daonna han hanover's producer. >> we'll talk more about that.

>> john, thank you very much. and you guys, everyone is not going to want to miss this. new cnn original series, giuliani, what happened to america's mayor, premiers this sunday, back to back episodes. cnn this morning continues now. >> i would love to know, but we're working through it and made progress today. >> three days into this, the longest since the 1850s. >> well, i have the longest speech on the floor so i like to make history. >> another round, but the question is, is it the last call for kevin mccarthy? good morning, everyone. caitlyn live in washington, d.c. at capitol hill once again. >> this is becoming my new home. i miss you guys. do i still have a chair in the

studio? >> bring her chair back. she's coming back on monday. i swear if you're not here, we're coming there. >> yeah, it's remarkable. day four of the speaker's election. don, as you see what's playing out here. >> it certainly is. the house will be on their 12th vote when they reconvene in just a few hours. mccarthy has failed on the previous 11. somehow he says he sees some progress, but is there still a path to become speaker. >> plus, this -- >> we're going to look this guy in his eyes. he's going to have to deal with this. he has been dealing with this for seven weeks. it's not about to end. >> the father of one of the four murders idaho college students speaking out as new evidence reveals how police tied the suspect to the killings. also, buffalo bills safety damar hamlin showing dramatic signs of improvement days after he suffered that cardiac arrest on the field. great news to share on that front. >> we'll get back to all the chaos in washington in moments.

first, this morning, we're learning chilling new details about the murders of the four college students in idaho. the arrest affidavit links 28-year-old bryan kohberger to dna found on a tan leather knife sheath that was on the bed of one of the victims. and phone records place kohberger near the house of the four victims on at least 12 different occasions prior to the murders. the affidavit stating, quote, all of these occasions except for one occurred in the late evening and early morning hours of their respective days. and cnn's john miller has learned that a surveillance operation that led to the arrest of the suspect who was seen placing garbage bags into neighbors' bins. jim sciutto spoke to the father of 21-year-old kaylee goncalves. here's what he said. >> you read the affidavit, and you just find out that nobody understands exactly why, but he was stalking them.

he was hunting them. he was just a person looking for an opportunity and just happened to be in that house. and it's hard to take. she had her phone right next to her and she couldn't call 91 wrun, so these were just girls who went to sleep that night, and a coward, you know, a hunter that went out and he picked his little opponent that was girls. probably why the house was targeted. >> so for some perspective, we go to cnn anchor and chief national security correspondent jim sciutto. jim, hello to you. this was the first time the father came face-to-face with the alleged killer. what else did he say about that moment? >> well, don, first i start, i have been speaking to steve for a number of weeks here. this is a father who lost his daughter. i'm a father, i have a daughter. whenever i speak to him, i can't imagine the pain he's going through. and it is real. real pain, and you hear it in

his voice and the emotion. i will say, i noticed something different in speaking to him this time in that now that there is a suspect, i sensed resolve. and he said that directly to me. he said this killer picked the wrong family to wrestle with. and that they're going to fight back now. he sees a path towards justice here. but of course, this is still a family that is deeply, deeply wounded, going through the loss of their child. i will say, when i spoke to them, i had a number of questions for him given the affidavit is out, now we know the trail of evidence that led to kohberger now as a suspect. i asked him what it was like for him to be in the courtroom with kohberger yesterday. and have a listen to what he said. >> i was pretty angry, pretty heated. i wanted him to look me in the eye. he knows i want him to look me in the eye.

so he's -- he didn't. he didn't give me that opportunity. but i feel like he's scared to look at me in the eyes. and start to understand what's about to happen to him. you know, he picked the wrong family. >> he didn't look him in the eyes, kohberger would not look steve in the eyes in that courtroom. the other thing i'll note, in the earlier piece of the interview you played, he was describing one thing we learned in the affidavit is one of the surviving room mates had an encounter or saw the killer in black, she said wearing a mask. the other roommate said. and then frozen in effect. she said she was petrified. understandably, these are young people. petrified to do something in the wake of that. just so many layers to this case. we're going to continue to be on it, going to play a lot more of the interview at 9:00. >> fascinating and

heart-wrenching interview. jim, thank you very much. poppy. >> kevin mccarthy is just a few hours from a fourth day of voting in this record-breaking historic -- i guess it's not a full record, but the first time in 164 years in this race to be house speaker, the california republican claims he is confident that he can still win what has become the longest race for the speaker's gavel since 1859. again, 164 years ago. will the next vote be different than the first 11? >> no persons having received a majority of the whole number of votes cast by surname, a speaker has not been elected. a speaker has not been elected. a speaker has not been elected. a speaker has not been elected. a speaker has not been elected. a speaker has not been elected. a speaker has not been elected. a speaker has not been elected.

a speaker has not been elected. a speaker has not been elected. a speaker has not been elected. >> 11 times. mccarthy is differenting the laundry list of concessions in his quest to become speaker while acknowledging there is no time table for a solution. >> no, no, not putting any timeline on it. we have some progress going on, we have members talking. i think we've got a little movement, so we'll see. >> joining us now to talk about everything that has happened, all the failed votes, is republican congressman david valadao of california. he's one of only two republicans returning to congress out of the ten who voted to impeach former president biden. he's supporting kevin mccarthy's bid for speaker. are you still voting for kevin today? >> nothing has changed on that. >> is there any threshold of your limit of how many votes

you'll cast for mccarthy? >> no, because i don't believe this is just about kevin mccarthy. some of these folks are trying to change the whole structure of how this place works. you want members with experience that know how to work with egc colleagues, and what they're trying to do now is bypass the process, weaken the average member, and put themselves in a position where the speaker has no power. a consensus candidate or any other situation is basicallyg n speaker. they'll take the fall when everyone gets mad. >> if everything was resolved and they took the deal kevin mccarthy offered them, wouldn't he be weakening himself? >> we haven't seen the specific details so i'm hopeful we get a chance to read into them. from what i'm hearing, there's a lot of work that gives him flexibility to be an effective leader. >> you still think the concessions he's offered so far, he'll still be a powerful speaker. >> i think he still has the

abekt to be effective. powerful and effective are two different things. i don't know if we want someone who is powerful to be in a position in congress, but someone who is effective to get the things done they need to do. >> he said these 11 failed votes, where is his mind set, is she still committed to this, do you think? >> absolutely. i had a conversation with him yesterday. he's absolutely committed. even in the closed-door meeting with him and about 60 or 70 votes, we're there for him. >> you said they're pushing for mccarthy because the concern is if there is an alternative that emerges, we talked about steve sca scalise, these other names, that person would face the same standards. >> absolutely. as far as if it's kevin mccarthy or if it's someone else, what they're asking for is basically to weaken the average member. they say the opposite in public, but the reality is they're trying to put themselves in position where they have more power than the average member.

we don't agree with that, and obviously, if it's not kevin mccarthy, the next person is going to have to agree to these same types of terms. we don't like that. >> are there conversations happening among republicans you have spoken to about a consensus candidate or about asking kevin mccarthy to bow out of the race? >> no, that's not happened. >> you haven't heard from republicans who would like him to bow out? >> there's republicans who are frustrated with the situation, but they also understand what's going on. they understand if it's not mccarthy, whoever the next person in line is going to face these same types of issues and dilemmas and have to fight for the same issues. i don't think there's anyone better for that role right now than kevin mccarthy to fight and negotiate some sort of compromise. >> you're kind of remarkable because you were here when everything happened to john boehner. did you think you would see that happen again? >> i would hope it wouldn't, but no, i don't think this is going to change. there are members that come from areas where their constituents appreciate this and want this type of action.

and sadly, it's going to be part of our process for a while. i think we have to come to a compromise that accommodates everyone. >> how difficult do you think governor is going to be with this group of 20 hard liners and a slim majority? >> the slim majority is going to be a more difficult issue than the hard liners, personally. they're going to have needs for their districts. they also have to produce for their constituents. and for them to be able to do that, they have to negotiate not just with the speaker but they have to pass bills off the house floor. there's a group of members watching what they're doing to congress, and probably aren't going to be very happy with them and aren't going to be easy to work with. >> you have a call coming up with other republicans? >> that's the hope. i haven't seen the schedule, but i have been told we'll be getting a call today. >> thank you for taking time to join us this morning. >> thank you. >> don, poppy, as you hear there, just a few hours away. they're committed to mccarthy because the concern is whoever is after mccarthy if there was

an alternative, they would also face basically the same standards and demands that kevin mccarthy is facing. >> i speak for everybody, but especially the people. it is literally groundhog's day. i can't even watch it anymore. i have moved to netflix. >> i will always watch you. >> not her. she's not there saying, i nominate this person because -- >> how many more times we can say remarkable or historic. what do you think? >> quite a few, and i have been talking to some republicans. they're up late at night having these closed-door discussions talking about this. they're talking about it late into the night. they have a lot of questions about what is being said behind closed doors and what concessions are being made as well. something you should note. >> this is our text chain last night between the anchors. >> are you spilling our beans? >> you may have to go on early

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in just a few hours the house will be back in session after republicans failed to elect a new house speaker 11 times since tuesday. 20 republican holdouts have been voting against kevin mccarthy, though the two sides have been negotiating since last fight's session was adjourned. don't know what the progress is, but maybe chris wallace has some insight. >> he knows all. >> chris, you know all. so chris, what do you know about this? do you have any inside scoop, any information? >> i think the most interesting thing i have read is that some of the mccarthy people are getting understandably fed up and they're basically, have you got a path to 218 or don't you have a path? they were calling for a meeting of the caucus today where he would explain the situation. and also explain all the giveaways he's given to those 19

or 20 oppositionists and mccarthy didn't agree to a meeting in person. he agreed to a call. that's what you heard kaitlan talking to the congressman about, and they haven't announced the call yet. i think the natives are getting restless in the sense they're beginning to say, you know, they have real lives. and they're doing this over and over and over again. 11 votes they're in today, and some of them are getting frustrated. >> if he gives away too much, he stands to lose. he could lose the support that he has from the 200 or so people who are already voting for him. >> absolutely. just a balancing act he's got to give away the store but not in such a way that his 200 supporters say no, that's enough. and then there's another question, which is of course, if he drops out and let's say steve scalise, who many think of as the number two would move up, does he have to abide by the deal mccarthy made or can he

say, hey, we're starting from scratch, guys. >> is kevin mccarthy going to be the next speaker? >> you wouldn't bet the farm on it today, would you? >> would you bet much on it? >> no, i wouldn't. look, can it happen? yes. is there a possibility of a deal? you know, but i'm struck by two things. so far, how resolute the opposition has been. those 20 people who continue despite a lot of concessions on the part of mccarthy, but also by how firm the pro-mccarthy vote has been, the 200, and at a certain point, somebody has to give. either the opposition is doing to break or the support is going to break. if i had to bet right now, i think the support is going to break. >> i'm looking -- >> isn't that amazing? >> am i boring you? >> the reason i'm doing this is -- >> it happens to be every day. >> there's a method to my madness. i did a cursory glance through the post. and i have gone through, you know, 14, 15 pages so far.

i have not seen donald trump mentioned once here. and it used to be the paper who loved him. i held up yesterday the new yorker magazine, it was party of one, him sitting at a dinner table by himself. he said, vote on truth social, vote for kevin. everybody do your thing, and nobody abided by it. >> that's been striking too in this. >> so his influence, he still has influence, but waning. >> absolutely. lauren boebert, who has been a total trump supporter, basically went out on the floor at this point i forget whether it was yesterday or the day before, and said you're my favorite president, mr. trump, but you're wrong about kevin mccarthy. and he needs to step down. that's it. that's a tell, when suddenly some of the ultra maga congresspeople, you know, who have just been totally supportive of trump, including we should call today what it is, a day of infamy, january 6th, the day of the insurrection two years ago, and people who backed him through all of that are saying, no, voting for km evin

mccarthy is a bridge too far. >> then gates nominated him and he only got one vote. >> i want to get to something that's not going to -- you're like over, you want to watch netflix. instead of netflix, i think -- i'm joking. >> on hbo max right now, you can watch who's talking to chris wallace. we have two great interviews dropping today. james cameron, about avatar, which is -- >> can we start and play this great clip from james cameron? >> you're going to play it? sure, you can play a clip from my show. sure. >> watch this, folks. >> it looks like just with the momentum that the film has now that we'll easily pass our break-even in the next few days actually. so it looks like i can't wiggle out of this. i'm going to have to do these other sequels. and i'm sure that we'll have a discussion soon, you know, with the top folks at disney about the game plan going forward for

avatar 3, which is already in the can. we have already captured and photographed the whole film. and then avatar 4 and 5 are both written. we even have some of 4 in the can. i think we can see that -- i think we have begun a franchise at this point. >> you know, what's interesting about it is, and that's why i wanted to interview james cameron after the movie came out rather than before, is because it's become a business story. he says he needs to make somewhere between $1.5 billion, which he already made, which is more than top gun maverick, and $2 billion for it to turn a profit and for disney to say go ahead with 3, 4, and 5 which go out to 2028. he's there. he said he thinks he has a franchise. and then, wait, there's more, don. >> wait, wait, there's more. >> yes, hugh jackman, who is super talented, that's not hugh jackman. >> but he could play that role. >> that mythical animal.

he's got a great movie out called the son, he's nominate for a global globe award next tuesday and finishing up music man. we're going to have a great season. we have andy cohen, bryan cranston. >> do you cook with ina garten? >> no, i don't, and i asked her to bring food, and i was told no, it's too complicated. >> i just want to see chris wallace in the kitchen. >> i will say this. my specialty is scrambled eggs and i make the best scrambled eggs, and the key to scrambled eggs is you can't overcook them. they have to be a little runny, a little soft, and not hard and congealed. >> no, i disagree. i like my eggs scrambled hard. >> hard? no, they need to be runny. you know what, some time you and i -- >> we'll have a contest. >> an egg off. >> all right. by the way, i saw son, the hugh jackman movie. it's fantastic. he's fantastic. >> forget netflix. hbo max, and then on sunday

night, 7:00 p.m., we have the best of those. because sometimes i find you have to watch it twice or three times to get the full subtext. >> good salesman. >> thank you. >> brings the eggs next time. >> who is talking to chris wallace, we are right now, but who's talking to chris wallace returns for a new season sunday night at 7:00 p.m. eastern right here on cnn. next, you're going to want to see this. what we're learning about the man who saved damar hamlin's life moments after he collapsed on the field. >> and this morning's number is 415 million. i know what that is. harry enten here to explain. >> i don't know what it is. thank you. i didn't really piece together that dogs eat food. as soon as we brought the farmer's dog in, her skin was better, she was s more active. ifif i can invest in her health and be proactive, i think it's worth it. visit betterforthem.com

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so officially, it's official, the nfl has canceled the week 17 game between the bills and the cincinnati bengals, which leads us to cnn senior data reporter harry enten with this number's number. >> good morning. >> what is it? >> what is this morning's

number? 415 million dollars, the weekly revenue generated by nfl games. that's a conservative estimate based off last season's data. it's from ticket sales, tv ad sales and gambling revenue. the idea they might have canceled this week's games, there was a lot of money on the line. the nfl is a huge business, and it's becoming an even bigger business. so the nfl is becoming more profitable. taking into account inflation, the average franchise worth is up to $4.5 billion. that is all the way up from 20 years when it was just $869 million. and give you an idea of how much the tv stations are making, the super bowl ad revenue in 2022, it was about $500 million. that's up from $214 million back in 2002, so the franchises are getting wealthier and the tv partners are also getting wealthier. there was another component going on, american betting. how many americans bet on the nfl? we're about to 47 million. that's up from 38 million just three years ago during the

bottom of the pandemic, it was 33 million, but we're clearly seeing a rise, and this idea, you know, that maybe there are fewer nfl fans than there used to be, favorite sport to watch, look at this trend line, there is no trend line. it was 38% in 1981, 38%, 37%, 35%, 36%, the fact is the nfl is america's favorite sport, and it's here to stay. >> thank you, harry. appreciate the numbers. don. >> thank you. this morning, we're getting a positive and really remarkable update on damar hamlin. we're so happy about that. his doctors say he is awake neurologically sound and is moving his hands and feet. damar has been sedated and intubated since sunday's hit sent him into cardiac arrest. doctors say he's still critically ill but his condition has improved substantively which is just the news his family and teammates have been waiting for. we're also hearing new audio from the moment damar collapsed on the field.

listen. >> i don't like how he went down. >> we're going to need everybody. i'll call. we need everybody. >> call, bring everybody. we need everybody. bring the cot. >> calling for field medics. go ahead. i need another medic in the back please. medic in the back of the bus. >> affirmative. we're right outside the gate. >> i'm on my way. >> bills offensive lineman dion dawkins praised the bills assistant trainer who gave cpr to damar on the field and dion dawkins now joins me. we're so happy to have you. good morning to you, sir. we really appreciate it. this is good news we all have been waiting for, no more than you and the family obviously. how are you feeling learning damar is improving, that he's

awake? that's got to feel good to you. >> first of all, great morning. that is the best news that me and my teammates could have ever received, that damar has woken up and that he's been responsive and his parents are in high, high faith and high spirits. so it's been great, honestly, it has. >> i have to reveal a little secret. i have been texting with his mom. she's such a great lady. i won't reveal what we have been saying but she's such a great family and if there's any good to come out of all this, i think people know that he comes from a great family and what a great person he is. >> right. and not to miss out like his father, but his father, like, has been there every step and has been a huge part of it, too. so just to give credit there as well. >> yeah. can you talk more about that

conversation? because his father spoke to the team. you heard it, i'm sure. and what did you think, what was your reaction? >> well, just to see his father's facial expression and just to hear what he was saying to the entire team, it kind of just took a whole bunch of weight off of our shoulders because you know, when tragedies happen and things happen, like our brains, they go into like this bank of uncertainty or just like, you know, just not understanding. so with his dad coming out on the ipad and just telling us just everything is going to be all right, damar is getting back and if he could say anything, and what he would say is just

handle business. so simply just handling business from him and his father, like that's just something that we needed to honestly hear. like from that hospital room, and we heard it. so it was a great feeling. and it was a great energy. it was a beautiful thing, truly. it was a beautiful thing. and with seeing his father's expression on his face, it was just honestly all we needed to see to take a giant step forward. >> your communication with damar, anything? >> what? personally? >> yeah, personally. >> no, just what the doctors and his parents are telling us. but you know, he is doing great. and he really is. and he's taking huge leaps forward. and his doctors are using words

that i can't even pronounce. but they all mean great steps forward. and a huge way. so that's really enough communication that damar needs to give us for us to understand what that true message is. and that he's winning that fight. so it's a great feeling. >> you think the team is ready or willing to get back on the field this weekend? >> you know, it will be so hard to speak for everybody, but i know that in the position that they have put us in and from the messages that we're getting back and from the responses we're getting from cincinnati and his family, it's putting us in a great direction, and that's honestly all we can ask for, is just to be faced in the right direction and to just do it with high hopes and high grace. but you know, mcdermott and the

staff have been doing such a great job of respecting the individuals' personal battles. we're all going through personal battles with this situation. so with like the staff here, with josh, with all of our guys that are just doing everything in the right way to keep everybody in a positive bubble, i would say that they're there in doing so. sorry i really can't answer that directly, but hopefully that answers that question. >> listen, we got it. dion, you have been so great during all of this. there's a lightness you didn't have in the initial interviews we saw. and it's good to see you feeling better, and of course, good news about damar. thank you so much, sir. you be well. >> yes. >> thank you. poppy. >> you're right about that. there really is. thank you for that. >> just in to cnn, the december jobs report, christine romans

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>> it's a strong number but it's cooling. this might be the goldilocks report so many wanted to see. 223,000 jobs added. 3.5%, the unemployment rate. that's a drop in the unemployment rate. some people entered the labor market looking for work. it was revised, november to be 3.6%. you can see that long decline in the unemployment rate. those are jobs added. jobs added, that's the weakest in a couple years. that's what wall street wants to see. they want to see a job market that is solid but not spinning off inflation. when i look over there at some of the sectors here, leisure and hospitality, health care, construction, 28,000. manufacturing, 8,000 jobs added there. you're still seeing widespread hiring in the country outside of tech and in some cases media. in other parts of the economy, you're still seeing strength here. guys, wall street likes this because it's cooling but i want to put it in perspective. 4.5 million jobs created last

year. that is the second highest on record after only the year before. 4.5 million jobs. you go back to the go-go reagan days, the best then was like 3.8 million. 4.5 million jobs created in the most recent year. that's something. but the slowing more recently, that's the goldilocks part that is so important. >> welcome news to the fed, as christine pointed out. for people at home, it still indicates a strong labor market. we don't want to confuse people when we say a cooling labor market. we have gotten a slew of labor data this week that shows there's still more than 10 million open jobs. 1.7 open jobs for every one person looking. what we're starting to see in this report is that wages are starting to slow. so wages came in at 0.3% monthly. that's a little lower than expectations on a yearly level, that also came in lighter than expectations. the concern for people at home thinking why are wages going up a bad thing? the fed has been concerned that some of the higher wages could

be trickling into higher prices which all of us are dealing with. so again, it's the goldilocks, the slowing but not the sort of ice cold water on a labor market that still remains strong. >> on an annual basis, 4.6% wage growth. that's a nice pay raise. we worried it was more like 5% or higher. having wage growth in the 4% range shows the fed's medicine has been working so far. that's what you want to see. all of this aggressive medicine from the fed is actually doing something to take the temperature down on the patient. >> it's kind of weird to sit here and say, and hear you guys go, but this was slower and this was lower, and that's great. it's so counterintuitive. >> it's like, what are you talking about? i talked to neala richardson, a private economist yesterday, because we got a different labor report yesterday. and i asked her for people at home, how would you describe the labor market? she said something that i thought was so interesting, strong but fragmented. for certain industries, you may

not be feeling what we're talking about. if you are in tech, if you are in -- >> i was going to say, all those layoffs again this week. >> that's confirmed by some of the anecdotes we heard. if you're in areas of the economy sensitive to higher interest rates, you're probably not experiencing what we're talking about, but you can probably find a job quickly because there overall is so much demand for workers right now. >> hearing the amazon layoffs, 18,000 the most they laid off, i was thinking wow, that's tough. amazon hired a million people since 2018. >> you sound like my husband. he's like, poppy, that's nothing. perspective, context. >> you know, salesforce, they're laying off 10% of the workforce, and the ceo kind of said i'm sorry, we were hiring -- we thought this was going to last forever and it didn't. you're seeing a recalibration, and at least for now, a little sign of cooling in what has been a hot job market. >> they think this won't spook the market, right? >> look at the market. >> futures are up. >> i swear that is the wage number. they love the wage number because higher wages spark

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drug that could potentially delay the progression in some people with the disease by years, but a clinical trial did reveal the drug has risks. cnn's chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta reports now. >> reporter: at first the signs can be subtle, missing your exit on the freeway, forgetting what you need at the grocery store, misplacing your keys. >> i look at my phone and read the names and a lot of them don't mean anything to me. >> reporter: your life marches on, independently, but the markers of memory slowly, surely begin to fade. that's what early alzheimer's feels like. when 80-year-old jack driscoll got his own alzheimer's diagnosis in 2019, he was doing okay, but he worried what his future would eventually have in store. >> i talked to my wife and i talked to my kids and let them know that maybe down the road i

wasn't going to be the same as i was then. >> reporter: so in 2021 jack enrolled in a clinical trial for an experimental drug, now pending approval by the fda this drug could help postpone the fate of those with early alzheimer's. in part, by removing amyloid plaques from the brain. >> we're finding that this specific type of amyloid when removed associates or correlates with a slowing of cognitive decline. >> reporter: most importantly clinical trials of the drug found it slowed cognitive decline in people with early alzheimer's by 27%. what does that mean? according to models by the drug maker, someone who is 80, like jack, could experience a two to three-year delay in progression to worsening of his alzheimer's disease. >> we've been targeting alzheimer's disease at the end stage when people have dementia where they can no longer take

care of themselves and the pathology and the plaques and the tangles have built up and by that time there is not as much we can do. >> reporter: but nothing comes without risks. and the ones that come with this type of drug have raised red flags. >> we have known for many years that with almost all of the drugs in this class there can be a side effect of aria. >> reporter: dr. cohen has been studying alzheimer's drugs for 30 years and was part of the clinical trial. what she is talking about is amyloid related imaging abnormality, it can look like this or this, it's brain swelling or brain bleeding. though cohen says these types of side effects were mostly mild in the trial. >> we do know that la ecanemab s a low rate of causing hemorrhage, less than 1%. >> reporter: in the phase three clinical trial there were seven deaths in the placebo group and

six deaths in the lecanemab group. according to the investigators, though, none of the deaths were due to the considered due to lecanemab or a. ria. the new england journal of medicine published details of the additional death of a patient on the drug who had been given blood thinners, raising additional concerns. >> it's hard to say lecanemab caused that when you're giving a drug that itself can cause significant pleading, however, the combination gives us pause. >> reporter: neurologist dr. richard isaacson agrees that while this drug shows promise it must come with caution. for example, avoiding blood thinners while taking the medication. >> i will prescribe this drug in the right person at the right dose and in a very carefully monitored way, but this drug is not for everyone. >> reporter: for jack the possibility of continuing to live a full life, spending quality time with all four children and all nine grandchildren, even for just a while longer, well, that is worth the risk. >> as far as i'm concerned we're

having a great life right now and things are good and my wife is a wonderful caretaker, so we get it with each other and we know what we're living with. >> so, don, it's not a home run, but it can buy those years of, you know, sort of significant alzheimer's disease progression-free life. and that's, i think, why jack sort of balances the rewards as being greater than the risks. we will see what the fda does. a couple things i want to be looking out for is how are they going to address this concern about bleeding? is there going to be a warning specifically, a black box warning, that it should not be taken with blood thinners. a lot of people that age do take blood thinners. they will have to balance that. the second thing is cost. i mean, i don't know if you've been paying attention to the cost of some of these drugs, don, but another drug that came out is $28,000 a year. these are really expensive and, again, how do you -- there's

going to be a lot of people who potentially could qualify. how do you sort of adjust for that cause as well? >> there are some risks that need to be taken seriously and looked at, but it is progress and we will take the progress. thank you, sanjay. really appreciate it. >> got it. well, news out of washington. we just got word of a meeting on the hill with republicans over the fate of kevin mccarthy. stand by. >> oh, boy.

kaitlan, hopefully some news you have that's going to change things, get this over with. >> no announcement of a speaker yet, sorry, don and poppy, but there is reporting that there is going to be a 10:15 a.m. conference call with republicans. it's notable that it's not in-person that they're going to be meeting talk about this but they will have a call to see what the next steps are. one of the things that david valadao the republican we spoke with that stood out to me is they want to see a good look at what was happening in these negotiations with the hardliners of what that's going to look like and whether or not it will get kevin mccarthy closer to holding the speaker's gavel. >> i think he wants to show momentum at the very least at this point. >> yeah. >> an end to it, a speaker, would be nice. >> come home. see you monday.