you either trust people to put in place on the committee and committee chairs to do their jobs correctly or you don't. and so hopefully through the resolution of all these issues moving forward we built that bond of trust in which we can continue to do the things that are in the best interest of our country and move forward. >> do you -- do you have trust in the people who were the holdouts until the end. >> dana, i give everybody the opportunity to earn trust, until they lose that opportunity, until they lose my trust. and i believe we all come to this with the same belief that we want to do what's in the best interest of our country. and we love our country. we just might happen to see how we go about the resolution on some of these issues in a different way. so first thing we have to do is put these things aside and sit down and talk about those things we can agree upon, and then

you'll find out the things you disagree upon are not insurmountable and we can finally get to resolutions and get to yes. >> the first test is -- well, first test was electing a speaker and that proved to be quite difficult. but i'm glad you can laugh about it now. the next one is rules package for anyone out there wonder what that means. it's a package that dictates how the congress, the house in particular is going to run for the next couple of years. and it's not clear whether or not even that will pass. what do you think? >> you know, a lot of people are coming into this and grumbling, well, the people who are negotiating got everything and kevin was giving away the store. but i think part of the process with a lot of other members in working with my group, the republican governance group and explaining along the way of what was taking place, and there's

nothing in this package that really hurts us because, unfortunately -- and i've seen it since my time here -- too much power has been put in leadership, put in the speaker's job and taking away from the floor, taking away from the committees. and that's what they wanted, and that's what we're getting this idea we're going to have committee chairs and committee people working on these hearings, putting together bills, passing their bills in committee through the amendment process, no legler orders as you can appreciate, dana. and we have a second amendment process for those who are not on the committee and then vote them up or down. let all 435 of us, you know, vote on whether we think it's a good amendment or bad amendment, and then you'll have buy in from both sides. and i think it's part of the process and necessary to heal the house because the one big complaint democrats and republicans is that bills are drafted in the speaker's office and dropped on us at the last

minute with no ability to look into them or to oversee what's taken place. and so that's been a problem, and hopefully this will be part of the cure in our rules package to fix those problems. >> did you use the word mature? >> pardon? >> i thought you just used the word mature, which i think -- i think the generous -- a generous term for what we have seen. thank you for your time at this very early hour, 2:00 a.m. east coast time. appreciate it. congratulations again on your being sworn in and getting through this week. okay, thank you so much. and back at the table we haven't talked to you yet. what did you make of the congressman and just more broadly what you've seen -- >> i'll take the optimistic view. i think they're right this is

going to be a mess. but the point is i think this is uneasy truce but a truce nonetheless and one in doubt throughout the day until the very last minute. i think if you told us yesterday or previous days that matt gaetz had the opportunity to plunge the knife into leader mccarthy and didn't take that opportunity and provided the opportunity for him to become speaker, i don't think that would have been believed, necessarily. i think the good faith that has been absent has to be built. the fact that these guys got to yes when that was, again, very -- people were very cynical about that. they'd asked for all these things, mccarthy gave them these things. can they possibly get to yes? if they do will those holdouts come back, and they came back. i think to the congressman joyce's point they aren't wrong. it's been completely

dysfunctional for decades. their way might not be better but we have to sort of find out. it's been a cliche throughout the week it's going to get messy but it's probably healthier, so i think we'll find this out. the house will be sort of a sandbox. we all understand in a divided government that's a senate controlled by democrats and a white house controlled by democrats what the house does or doesn't do isn't going to determine too much. the strictures they put on themselves only matter so much. i think the thing that really does matter is the rules committee and the power that these members will be granted those slots have on what sees the floor and what circumstance they see the floor. it's inside baseball that people don't really think about, but that's the stuff that matters, not the promise of this vote or those things that never materialize but the function of the house and we don't know how

this is going to go, but this is going to be a lesson of getting what you want. and welcome to regular order. buckle up. >> you heard now speaker mccarthy say never, ever give up. you know that meme of the frog -- that's the experience the next two years, by the way. that notion of trying to figure out a way to stay with his head above the water. but when i heard the congressman talk together it was not on full display here, but did you happen to hear a narrative coming out of it? it's not a weekend speaker. it's more of decentralized power. that's a different way they're thinking about it now. it's not a weakened speaker, it's more about everyone having rank and file agency members and having everyone go back to how it's supposed to function in the right way.

what do you make of that narrative? it is a shift away from the weaker speaker comments we've seen for the last four days. is it about just decentralizing it for the benefit of congress? >> you know, i think he put a great spin on it, and i think it is a different way of doing things. it's going to be a big experiment. and if you put it in the context of everyone working in good faith, then it sounds right, it sounds good. but the question is are the far right members willing to work in good faith? you know, that's the big experiment. it's not the procedures -- >> which is what i was trying to get at. >> it's the people. representative joyce was the motion to vacate isn't intended for just disagreeing with one decision, but that's how it could be used. and that's the risk speaker mccarthy now takes with all these assurances he's given his detractors in order to win this

position. >> i don't think those two things are mutually exclusive. i think they're actually the same thing and i don't think it's necessarily a spin or frame. i think in an ideal world what the kind of holdouts or rebels or insurgents, whatever you want to call them are trying to do is exactly how that building and the ledgislature should be run. we don't govern in an ideal way, and we haven't in decades whether it's on appropriations bills, whether it's on the basic functioning of government. because of that and because a significant part of the conference isn't -- the crisis moments we always find ourselves in, that's why power has shifted steadily away from members into leadership, every single time we reach a deadline you are huddled around the speaker's office waiting for them to come out and announce the deal not kind of the old guard. and unless you have members that are able to deliver in a decentralized manner, then it will start to flow back the

other way. i think that's the biggest problem. the best part of your interview is you asking congressman joyce if he trusts his colleagues, and him laughing -- he was laughing a lot which i appreciate. >> i mean 2:00 a.m. laugh. >> but then saying everybody has the opportunity to earn my trust, as in, no, i don't trust them -- >> can you translate that as a fellow buckeye? >> he's a great american because he comes from the greatest state in the world. this is moment where they either decide to build off of it because his point about the necessity of trust in these relationships, inside that conference section makes these things work is 100% true, and what that conference for years really a decade or more has not had is any trust inside of it. it's intraparty for them, and it has been since 2011. and until they resolve that or find a way to thread that needle, this is what we're going to see. >> one thing i heard speaking of the power, did you hear speaker

mccarthy make the comment about how it's going to be about the pow of the purse and the power of the subpoena? obviously the lawyer in me my ears perked up and i thought have i not been paying attention the past couple of years where the subpoena hasn't meant a whole lot to member of congress? >> i thought the lawyer in you would say immediately don't say anything, get a lawyer. >> i would ask, the 1-800 call. but thinking about it just the idea of -- >> you know who didn't comply? kevin mccarthy. >> now it's about the power of the person, the subpoena whereby but no more one-sided inquiries. again, who is in a position to try to broaden that inquiry and was criticized by the former president trump. we're going to take a quick break and come back to more of this extraordinary day. >> we're waiting for kevin mccarthy to come on.

kevin mccarthy speaking now. let's listen. >> french hill, scott perry, and they really worked together to

put it through and all those different members hanging with me through different votes. but i do want to thank especially mr. trump. and i don't think anyone should doubt his influence. he was with me from the beginning. he was all in. he would call me and he would call others. and he really was -- i was just talking to him tonight -- helping get those final votes. what he's really saying really for the party and the country that we have to come together. we have to focus on the economy. we've got to focus and make our border secure. we've got to do -- so much work to do and he was an influence to make that happen. so thank you, president trump. >> what happened on the floor here. heading into the 14th ballot you thought you had the votes, suddenly you were surprised. it was a heated confrontation on the floor. you had an exchange with matt

gaetz. what happened? >> it wasn't a heated one between matt and i, no. what i was telling him is i'd rather win on the 15th, so we went to another ballot. that was a joke but you didn't catch it. no, what happened was it became a tie, and i really think matt had talked to me before, matt really wanted to get everybody there. and so there -- look, through all of this people's emotions go up and down. and at the end of the night matt got everybody there to the point that nobody voted against the other way. so it actually helped unite people. >> but what changed for them going from voting against you to voting present on the next vote? >> president trump talked to them a lot but i also think it's them and wanting to make this conference united and working together. i thank them for that. and matt worked hard as well. >> how do you prevent a

situation like this from happening on every type of contested vote going forward over the next two years? >> i think what you'll see by having this now we've worked out how to work together. it's a little more difficult when you go into a majority and maybe the margins aren't high. if you study american history, this was the closest margin that any first person to win a speaker in the last 70 years. but if you look at the end of the day how many people voted against me, it was the smallest margin that any modern speaker has had. so it may have taken a little longer, and i always like to quote my father. he died 23 years ago, but he would go it's not how you start, it's how you finish. so don't judge us on how we start, watch how we finish. and i think by having the disruption now really built the

trust with one another and learned how to work together. what we're going to have to find in our mind-set is that we have to front load, that we have to think about and work on the bills with the microcosm of the conference before we even start writing and that's what we have to work with here. i remember january 1st we did this conference call with the entire conference. and when we walked through all the it rules, people were excited. people were bad before like what were you working on, but at the end of the day the product was better. so maybe 100 years from now some master student will have to write about this. but really what most people who write about or feel is the outcome of how well we'll run the floor for the next two years. all right, last question. >> you made a change to the motion to vacate. how confident are you you'll

have this job for a full two-year term? >> 1,000%. >> you heard from kevin mccarthy now speaker mccarthy, interestingly enough paying homage to a former president, president trump, crediting him with the success. also someone who's been an arch nemesis, of course, representative matt gaetz also getting a lot of credit today or this morning. what time is it? all because speaker mccarthy wants to essentially i guess we're getting insight new who he thinks is responsible for that last win, the 15th round. >> i want to take a moment to address what you just said about thanking donald trump. we saw a bloomberg photographer i believe it was captured this fantastic remarkable photo of marjorie taylor greene holding out her phone and it said d.t. on it. we know the former president was

making calls, but i still can't wrap my mind around the fact -- there's the picture right there. we're two years to the day, to the night of january 6th where that same man who was president at the time stoked a mob who came in and -- and completely almost demolished that very chamber and had people hunting his vice president, the then speaker nancy pelosi, and now kevin mccarthy is speaker and he is thanking donald trump. and he's speaker in part because of the contortions that he put himself in to stay alive with donald trump. >> the contortions he put himself in helped save donald trump at a moment where the party was very, very seriously considering a very real break. and i think people need to understand that. it's very tough to remember because honestly at this point

half the country doesn't believe january 6th was an actual thing. as someone in the capitol the 7, 8, 10th and on there was a period where every member you spoke to on the republican side including those dedicate today the former president were right on the edge because they were all there, and they knew it. and now speaker kevin mccarthy went down to mar-a-lago, they took the picture together, and things started to turn around. if speaker's mccarthy goal is to be speaker and he knew he needed the former president at his side, well he's speaker, and the former president was at his side. the one thing i was struck by, he's got the job now. and i also don't think the former president was critical in actually getting him there. i'm sure he had an effect, but most of this week was defined by the fact he had no juice at all

or very limited juice. why do you have to go out and immediately do the thing like where you pander to him because you know he's watching and it matters? i just -- >> you mentioned they made bets on each other a long time ago, and the most interesting thing to me is this is a transactional man who didn't ask anything of him but there's an appreciation at some level they're reliant on each other, benefit from each other and i think that acknowledgement at the end is this is sort of the pay off. there wasn't an endorsement that got donald trump's help. but at the end here they're still holding hands together. >> everybody standby. we have to take a quick break. don't go anywhere. we'll be right back.

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we're back, and i want to bring in a member of who was there for all of the drama that unfolded tonight on the house floor, democratic congresswoman sheila jackson lee. congresswoman sheila jackson lee, i'm glad you're here at this very late hour. thank you. i have to know immediately, though, there was a moment after

a very tense moment on the floor between congressman gaetz and of course the now speaker kevin mccarthy, you were speaking with congressman gaetz. what were you discussing? >> well -- well, i think he was making it very clear to me in unspoken language, meaning not specifically saying that the next round was going to be the election of the speaker, that the point had been made, that the line in the sand had been seen clearly and that it was now time that the count would result in kevin mccarthy becoming speaker. >> well, obviously it was inevitable at some point today or at some point in the near future there would have to be a speaker. i wonder given a slim majority and the we heard from now minority leader hakeem jeffreys outlining all the things that need to get done, are you concerned given how this has

gone about the functioning of the house at this point going forward? >> i'm glad you asked me that question because what i hope most americans will take away from this marathon of over five days of unceasing voting, massive chaos and confusion, almost fistfights on the floor was that the democrats under the leadership of hakeem jeffries remained solidly solid, 212 votes every single time. and we have progressives and moderates and blue dogs and people from all places around the country obviously the midwesterners, the southerners, the westerners, easterners, noerners and beyond. the american people can count to lead and govern and hakeem jeffries was magnificent in democracy and the fight we have. you heard in the story of hakeem

jeffries the son of a social worker and growing up in brooklyn you can understand by messages we came to legislate and protect the american people through mr. jeffries leadership, and unfortunately speaker mccarthy came to investigate, intimidate, and to deny the american people the benefits of this country. that is going to be the difference. so the question would be answered very quickly to say i am concerned if the focus is going to be on investigation and as well a payback to all of the agreements that had to be made in order to achieve the speakership. mr. mccarthy will have to assess whether he makes his mark on some of the more high moral ground statements he made about the betterment of america or unity or whether it's going to be brought down by the fistfights of the divisiveness in his caucus. i'm ready to see it.

i'm going to be fighting. i'm going to make it very clear. >> i hear it and you paint a very precise portrait, of course, about the contrast that is there about what the perception of democrats and republicans will be going forward. it'll be important to see what those concession will actually do and what impacts they'll have. thank you at this late hour. i appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. we look forward to republicans trying to do it as well even with their package and concessions being made. >> thank you so much. we're going to go to a quick break and come back and discuss this more and of course the words of congresswoman sheila jackson lee. we'll be right back.

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become speaker of the house. matt gaetz does not look like he is willing to change the vote. >> another member pulled him back. >> mchenry seems to be trying to talk kevin mccarthy down a little bit here. mchenry of course a key ally who made a nominating speech that made it sound like this was a forgone conclusion. >> look at that face. >> he looks dejected. look at that. >> that was i don't know about three hours ago or so, maybe four. could be 4,000. that was our coverm from earlier during this dramatic, dramatic turn around which then turned around again as kevin mccarthy was trying to get that last vote to foinally go over the top to

become speak of the house, which he did. and he is now speaker of the house. we want to bring in the one and only manu raju who is -- you are still standing. >> barely, but, yes. >> i hear the echo in the will rogers corridor there, which means maybe you're one of the few people left, which is not surprising. fantastic reporting all week especially tonight. i know that you and the team up there have even more reporting about that drama, that moment particularly when it got a bit physical. >> yeah, it really did. it got a bit physical. in fact, richard hudson who was a north carolina republican member of the republican leadership had to physically restrain mike rogers who is another ally of kevin mccarthy who was going after -- there's that photo right there, that was richard hudson, grabbing mike rogers who was going after matt gaetz. i asked hudson about that and he said he was just trying to stop

what was to become a very, very tough moment, a very tense moment. rogers himself was furious at matt gaetz for essentially denying at that time it appeared, denying the speakership to kevin mccarthy. they exchanged some tough words. there was some back and forth, and then at the end of the day they -- they sort of went their own ways. now, that was a pretty -- i've been spending a lot of time talking to a lot of members about it. every single person there was taken aback that i've spoken to it about it. the republican -- the new speaker of the house kevin mccarthy about all these tense moments, what happened between the 14th and the 15th ballot vote and the 14th vote where it got so tense. he claimed that interaction that we showed there of mccarthy going after matt gaetz, he claims that was not actually a tense moment. he down-played that. it looked pretty tense to us when we're looking at that, but

he down-played that exchange and ultimately they got the votes. one interesting thing, too, i just learned is about a minute ago i just talk to patrick mchenry, part of the republican leadership on mccarthy's team on what happened, a handful of members, holdouts voted for somebody else, and that denied mccarthy the speakership. and the next vote, all six of them voted present. what happened there? he claimed that he was in discussions with matt gaetz. matt gaetz wanted to adjourn until monday because he wanted all those six votes to vote present. that's what mchenry says that gaetz didn't want a few members to vote present and a few members to vote for another candidate. the speaker for the past several couple of months and said he'd never become speaker, but nevertheless at the end of the

day gaetz was working in some ways to help mccarthy by voting present. that would help him at the end of the day, so that was an interesting development which we learned here. also gaetz denied getting any sort of offer from the -- for voting present, for helping mccarthy. at the end of the day he said he was not offered a subcommittee chairmanship. kevin mccarthy denied that as well. as far as that confirmation was concerned he declined to comment telling our colleague ted barrett roll tide. rogers of course is from alabama. that's why he said that. >> it's unbelievable to think all this is happening right now. are you seeing a bit of a difference? is there a shift in the way that the story is being told? i'm sensing it's not -- it wasn't a tense moment. it was just -- first it was messy democracy and then how the sausage was made, now it's this is inevitable, and oh, no, don't

believe what you actually saw there. we saw there was more -- are you hearing anything about what congressman rogers had to say about what happened in the floor? >> but we tried, our team tried to talk to congressman rogers. he declined to comment about it at all. a lot of people involved also didn't want to talk about this as well. yes, this was an ugly episode for house republicans last two months particularly the last few days here and seeing this drag out and then that surprising 14th ballot and the tense fighting on the floor, all the chaos, this was not a good beginning of the 118th congress. they are trying to put a positive face on it. that's why hearing kevin mccarthy his new talking point is it's better how you end, not how you begin, that's his argument now going forward saying let's forget about this, let's look ahead. and a lot of them are saying

more positive things because they just know they have a huge task ahead of them governing in this narrowly divided republican house with this two wings that are completely at odds with each other on so many key issues, representing so many districts these members do. that biden picked up and reconciling their views with the hard right, which really at the end of the day where mccarthy had to cater to get the speakership. that is going to be so complicated going forward and moving an agenda, and they know get this episode behind them because they've got a lot bigger problems ahead. >> well, that -- you know, i was just going to say, manu, the good news is they got it out of their system and your job is going to be really easy. so just go home, get some rest, roll in midday on monday, it'll be fine. >> that's right. and, look, the other thing, too, is that mccarthy has some real concerns about the possibility

he strays from these issues one of these members could try to oust him. and he just said to us he's 1,000% confident he'll remain speaker for the next two years, so we'll see. >> 1,000%, that's a lot of percents. manu, you and the team are just extraordinary. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> back with us now phil mattingly, also a long time capitol hill reporter tia mitchell, long time capitol hill reporter. also joining us margaret talov. you're new to the table. you haven't given your thoughts. good morning. >> good morning. i was struck by a couple of things in speaker mccarthy's eventual acceptance speech. one is that you didn't hear him actually call out joe biden by name or hunter biden.

i heard minple reimal reference the biden presidency. he talked about checks and balances on the president's politics, policies. but he seemed very intense in that moment in trying to give for the most part with the exception of lying about wokism or whatever more of a statesman speech to say he was speaking to all americans to try to rise above what we had just seen unfold for the last week over the last several hours in the floor. but at the same time there were a couple of lines where i wasn't sure if he was talking to his own caucus or if he was talking to democrats when he said things like i never give up, is that a message for hakeem jeffries a message for the block of five or six. he kept talking about his late father talking about how he was the son of a firefighter and i couldn't put away from my head the imagery of kevin mccarthy fighting about a million fires

over the coming weeks and months. we have spent a lot of time over the past week talking about how a very small minority could basically hijack the majority. if i was going to try to interpret this a different way after this very long week is actually they were working with him in the system. it shows you the problems in the system but it was nonviolent with the exception of the near punch that almost got thrown. it was nonviolent, a pesful political protest, and they are operating within the rules they're allowed to operate under because they come from districts these five or six lawmakers in particular not lauren boebert but anyone elsewhere those base voters are saying this is what we want you to do, and kevin mccarthy is experiencing some of that in his own district. so i think there is -- this does

portend a very difficult year for speaker mccarthy. the debt ceiling thing could be really bad for the country, but the reality is that until either gerrymandering changes or until people in these hard, red districts change their minds about what they want, this is all functioning within the spectrum of how democracy is currently working in this country. >> it doesn't just impact, though, the electorate, which is interesting, but there's a moment we had to talk about when speaker mccarthy spoke about repealing 87,000 irs agents and funding for them, talking about the act. there was the idea of one of the concessions that was brought up and thinking about we don't yet know what the concessions are, what the scope of them have been, and what was the price to get the vote to go from a never kevin to here, present. when it comes to things like that, which is a very nuanced aspect that most of the electorate might not be aware of

yet alone understand, the idea that there can be this check and balance on what he says is wanting to have the government help you, not go after you, it wasn't a very subtle reference point. it was very blatant what he was trying to say. how do you think that's going to translate? >> so i think it's two things. number one, i think the republican majority does have a consensus. they want these, you know, investigations. ithey want to address wokism, and they want to repeal some of the things that were in some of these big spending packages that they didn't agree with such as the money for the irs agents, but the rules package, the framework of how they can do that work, that can be another contentious vote on monday. again, we already have one lawmaker saying he's a no, one republican lawmaker saying he's a no. kevin mccarthy can only afford i think four no votes or five. >> this feels like deja vu already. >> it could be deja vu on

monday, and even if it passes it's probably going to be a little bit messy on monday. there are going to be people who are not happy particularly as the details start to leak out over the weekend. and that's where i think it's just another indication of the messiness that is upon us, the details. >> this, the rules package that dana so helpfully brought in -- >> i thought they were going to vote on the rules package. >> yeah, they planned to. this is not supposed to be hard. the vote that took four days that kevin mccarthy emerged triumphant from as the speaker of the house, second in line from the presidency, this is as big as it gets in the u.s. government is pro forma. the whipping is hard -- pelosi had to whip as well, and that process takes time and that

process informs the rules package. those are all real things. you're looking at me and trying to figure out what they were trying to do procedurally, i panicked because i thrive on congressional procedure. it makes me super fun to hang out with. i don't necessarily know what they're doing right now and the reason why is we never had to pay attention before because this is something that was just done, boom, boom, swear you in and take pictures with the family. that's why this is so different, why everyone is going this is crazy, i've never seen this before. it's that none of these last four days are supposed to take any longer than a couple of hours, and what does that mean going forward? i think he makes great points and i think everything is very

fluid. to contextualize, we haven't gotten to the hard stuff yet. >> he said, don't worry, we're going to do it -- >> he also said one lesson he's learned in the future they're going to need to learn how to front load things. i think what he meant was try to minimize the drumma that the public gets to see, but it will be much harder for him to get anything done if every single thing is a fight. >> we're coming back. everyone stick around for more on this historic day on capitol hill in just a moment.

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majority of the whole number of votes cast by surname, a speaker has not been elected. a speaker has not been elected. a speaker has not been elect. a speaker has not been elected. a speaker has not been elected. a speaker has not been elected. a speaker has not been elected. a speaker has not been elected. a speaker has not been elected. a speaker has not been elected. a speaker has not been elected. a speaker has not been elected. a speaker has not been elected. a speaker has not been elected. a speaker has not been elected. the honorable kevin mccarthy of the state of california having received a majority of the votes cast is duly elected speaker of the house of representatives. >> in case you missed what happened over the past week,

there it was in 30 seconds. it was kind of like -- like an lp, you know, and it's like skipping. >> oh, that's going to be a meme. >> that's right, for sure. >> the only winner of the last four days. >> our panel is back here and we are talking about the fact there is a speaker of the house, but we also wanted to talk about the new democratic leader in the speech before him, hakeem j jeffries. it was full of alliteration. there were a couple of that stuck out. governing over gaslighting, even maturity over mar-a-lago. these weren't subtle jabs. >> no, they weren't. and also this is -- the structure of the speech and

hands the gavel to the new speaker. but if hakeem jeffies were the new speaker, you have a feeling he'd been working on that speech for a while in case it went either way. and in that process of speaking before he handed over the gavel, he really made a lot of the democrats kind of talking points clear speech to america and their speech to the republican party. >> it was a new us verse them in a different way, right, and how you never never get a second chance to make a first impression. he was pointing out the impression likely many people have of republicans right now. >> i think he took his time to lay out the vision for democrats over the next two careers, but also he's laying out the vision for himself as a new leader on the national stage. and of course he's one to watch. you know, i hate to say this but there's another election coming up and, you know, there's a chance that democrats could take

control and he becomes the first black speaker of the u.s. house. so i think he really wanted to take his moment and put himself out there. >> and this was a moment. he's the first black leader of a party in congress. >> it's history in that sense. it's also for the democratic party which has been led by -- and i mean no disrespect when i that. it's a literal fact that the top three democratic leaders in the house have all been in their 80s. it's a generational shift and a dramatic one. there's a dramatic seat change happening in that caucus. nobody in that caucus has experienced or been a part of in terms of this leadership. to your point which i think is a great one, we know hakeem jeffries, we know the cadence. he's going to be funny and he's going to be super smooth how he delivers messages. this was an introduction to the

broader country because he's now a player, not just one of the players but the player on capitol hill when it comes to the house. >> remember there was a moment when kevin mccarthy now speaker carthy said i had a unified caucus. don't get too comfortable, they may not like you the way they like me now. >> you can throw sort of legislative and political grenades. we've seen that on both sides of the aisle. having said that, it was kind of remarkable the way nancy pelosi, steny hoyer, jim clyburn, the leaders who led other groups for 20 years turned over the reins in one fell sweep. >> and he did a shout out and then gave kevin mccarthy a hug.

>> it was a gracious transition from a sharp speech to handing the gavel off. he made an impression and that was the point. he's the leader of the opposition now. that's his role. >> some would say he made 215. our live coverage continues. don't go anywhere. ♪ icy hot pro. ♪ ice works fast... to freeze your pain and yourur doubt. ♪ heat makes it last. so you'll never sit this one out. icy hot pro wiwith 2 max-strength pain relievers.

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