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very good monday morning to you, i'm jim sciutto. >> and i'm erica hill. overnight president joe biden arriving in mexico this ahead of his one-on-one meeting with mexican president obrador this afternoon. the president also making a brief visit, it is his first since taking office to the u.s. southern border on sunday where he spoke with border enforcement in el paso, talking about the rising surge of migrants and the growing fentanyl crisis. plus in brazil a spectacle all too, sadly, familiar here in the u.s. after false stolen election claims, supporters of brazil's former president bolsonaro laid siege to the capital. they smashed windows, clashed with police, they broke into congress, the presidential palace and the supreme court. officials say at least 400 people have been arrested. sadly familiar images there. in washington kevin mccarthy now face has critical test after
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finally being elected speaker of the house, a major vote expected today on the rules package that he negotiated making many concessions to gop hardliners. can he keep moderates on board who are upset by many of those concessions that he was forced to make to far right members? we begin, though, in mexico city with priscilla alvarez and gabriella free i can't say. after his visit to el paso yesterday where he did make that visit to the wall, the first of his administration, what is biden's focus today as he sits down with the mexican leader? >> reporter: well, migration, just as it was yesterday on the u.s./mexico border. this has been a major political liability for the administration, as they have wrestled with a record breaking number of migrants arriving to the u.s. southern border. what we have seen in the last few days is the white house trying to reshape that narrative by visiting the u.s./mexico border just yesterday and now having those conversations really spill here in mexico in the north american leaders
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summit. now, of course, jim, the u.s. has typically looked towards mexico to help try to manage the flow of irregular migration to the u.s. southern border and it is no exception under this administration, in fact, administration officials that i've been speaking to over the last several weeks have underscored the coordination with mexico in trying to enforce the border and have said that they hope that the meeting between president biden and mexican president obrador will reinvigorate those discussions. it's important because a lot of what happens on the u.s./mexico border does require in terms of policy some sort of buy-in from mexico. just last week, for example, president biden announced a new initiative which was opening up a pa real program for migrants from cuba, nicaragua, haiti and venezuela for them to come to the u.s. through a legal pathway, but the consequence was that they would be pushed back to mexico if they did not under that covid era restriction known as title 42. that requires some agreement with mexico. so those are the types of
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discussions that we're expecting will happen here at the summit. the administration also says that in addition to migration there will be discussions about security, for example, on fentanyl, which is a big and important issue, as well as economic development and climate change. jim? >> so, gabriella, give us a sense, as priscilla pointed out there, there does need to be some buy-in from the mexican president, from the mexican government. where do things stand in what is the sense in terms of how willing mexico is to work with the u.s. on some of those proposals? >> reporter: well, mexico has shown it's been willing despite the proposition and the criticism from ngos and public opinion that think that the mexico government is doing, quote, unquote, the dirty job, the u.s. in the absence of reform. president obrador insists addressing the root causes of immigration is the key to solving issues, namely lack of economic opportunity, climate
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change, violence. the mexican government has been working with latin american governments over a dozen of them in creating legal pathways for immigrants and at the same time working on a policy response, a common one, to address the constant challenge of thousands of families want to reach the u.s. border. also the mexican president is hoping that u.s. congress approves an immigration reform since u.s. policies have created and sparked large settlements along the mexico-u.s. border. mexico -- the immigration problem for mexico is increasingly difficult. only last year over 118,000 people registered as seeking asylum. in 2014 you had that number around 2,000. remember, migration patterns are changing so you have more people coming from nicaragua, cuba, venezuela, these are countries with authoritarian regimes which
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makes it more difficult to solve. >> thanks to both of you, which will be watching that visit closely as it continues. another story we're following, hundreds of rioters in police custody in brazil after they stormed government buildings in the country's capital over false election claims. those violent protests drew comparisons, i'm sure they look familiar to you as well to the january 6th attack on the capitol here in the u.s. the rioters are supporters of defeated former president jair bolsonaro. they broke into and vandalized the congress, supreme court and presidential palace while insisting bolsonaro was the victim of a rigged election. the unrest comes after the election of da silva. we are live in brazil at this hour. where do things stand and what are we hearing from bolsonaro? >> reporter: hi, erica.
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good morning. good morning, jim. bolsonaro is actually at the u.s. right now, he fled the country days before the end of his term. he is believed to be staying at a farm owned by one of his supporters in florida. most of the protesters have been camping here in brasilia in front of the brazilian army headquarters for several weeks now. the police are at the place right now arresting hundreds of people. yesterday rioters stormed the presidential palace, the supreme court building and also congress. they left behind a trail of destruction. historical works of art were robbed or damaged and also they even looted weapons from the presidential palace. at least ten journalists were beaten. understand that that was omission from local authorities in this situation. the governor of brasilia, the
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city i'm reporting from right now, was removed by the supreme court about this omission specifically. local authorities knew beforehand that a huge demonstration was under way and did less than expected in terms of security. hundreds of buses drove to brasilia during the weekend and the local police did nothing to stop them. jim, erica. >> pedro nogueira, good to have you there. thanks so much. let's turn now to capitol hill where lawmakers are expected to vote on the rules, the concessions, a deal that kevin mccarthy crafted to secure enough votes to finally get that speakership in a very late vote on friday night. >> cnn's congressional correspondent jessica dean, she was covering it, joins us now. mccarthy has a narrow margin, it was clear throughout the negotiations just for him to win the gavel. he can only lose four votes over any measure including this rules measure. does he have the votes to get this through?
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>> reporter: right. we're going to find out. just to zoom out for everybody first, this rules package is exactly what it sounds like, it sets the rules for this session of congress in the house and this is very typical, you know, of what they would do. what is atypical about it is that there are so many concessions within this package that are drawing a lot of skepticism from some within the gop, some of these more moderates. this is how mccarthy kind of wheeled and dealed and his allies to get him to the gavel. there were a lot of concessions made to the more hardliners. chief among them is this vote to oust the sitting speaker. used to be that half the conference had to want to do that, now it's just one person that can call for that vote. that's a significant change. there's also various measures in here, for example, tony gonzalez a congressman out of texas says he's still a no on that rules package because he's concerned about defense spending. congresswoman nancy mace out of south carolina says she's kind
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of on the defense. just to remind everyone he's only got a four-vote margin. we will see this again and again throughout this house with such a small margin and such a wide spectrum of people within the house gop kevin mccarthy will continue to see himself in these situations. they need to get this passed so they can continue on with the rest of their business. this is the next big thing. so the question is just how will this unfold. they are set to gavel in tonight at 5:00 p.m. and we will see it all unfold from there. jim and erica? >> we will be watching. jessica dean, appreciate it. thank you. joining me now to discuss a joe walsh, a former republican congressman from illinois. joe, good to have you on this morning. >> good to be with you, jim. >> so i'm going to set aside the vote counting here because we did that last week, we don't know how this is going to go on this package, but if and when a rules package like this gets through, does that make for a functioning gop-controlled house? >> oh, god, no. you know, jim, one of the
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weirdest things about last week, this fight to find a speaker, was the irony that it really doesn't matter which republican ended up being speaker. this is a pretty fully radicalized maga trump caucus in the house. the vast majority of house republicans are trumpists, are election deniers. what was always so deceptive, jim, is we talked about the 20, this minority of 20 that opposed mccarthy, but marjory taylor jim and jim jordan supported mccarthy but they are all going to be together on all of these other substantive fight these next two years. we are in for two years of utter chaos. >> we know what they're going to focus on. steve scalise, number two in the gop leadership in the house he tweeted out a list of gop priorities and he says just beginning this week, defund
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87,000 new irs agents, establish committee on the weaponization as they describe it of federal agencies and sales to china, hold woke prosecutors accountable, did he not define woke prosecutors. i wonder from a political perspective, you've won races for the house, is this a winning agenda for republicans? >> not at all. not with the general electorate, jim, but it's a inn winning agenda with the republican party base, period. and that's what they're concerned about. look, investigating the so-called deep state, hunter biden's laptop, going after dr. fauci, these are issues that the republican party base wants and, jim, you know like i know, that the house, the body in which i served, most closely reflects the base of the party. this will be a turn off, this kind of like mega revenge
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investigatory thing that these republicans are going to do the next two years i think will be a turnoff to most americans but it's going to energize the republican party base. >> let me ask you this and we're going to throw up more of these images here, those images of supporters of the losing candidate in the brazilian presidential election jair bolsonaro storming the houses of government there including where their assembly meets. you know, we used to talk about -- and many folks still imagine this, and perhaps it's true to some extent -- the u.s. exports democracy, but as you watch this and how it was ceded by the losing candidate in that election who had a lot of rapport might say with donald trump, is election denialism a new u.s. export? >> jim, you know this so well because you travel the world so much. we're the world's oldest
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democracy. the world -- the rest of the world watches us. clearly the rest of the world watched us on january 6th. i never would have thought, jim sciutto, that two years removed from a violent attempt to overthrow an american election that you and i would be sitting here and donald trump would still be the leader of the republican party and he would be running for president again. the world watched what we did on january 6th and trump and the republican party really didn't pay a price. my fear is that this is something that fledgeling democracies around the world are learning from us. >> yeah, and many of the folks who denied the results of the 2020 election had great sway, held great sway in the speaker fight at the end of last week. joe walsh, always good to have you on. >> thanks, jim. coming up next, more than 7,000 nurses are on strike in
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new york forcing ambulances to divert to other hospitals, babies to be transferred from the nicu. we will speak to the president of the nurses union about what exactly the remaining sticking points are. plus damar hamlin tweeting a photo of himself from the hospital as the bills win a thrilling game and head to the playoffs. we will update you on his progress. and a bit later, no topic off limits as prince harry spills all the tea inside the royal family drama, inn including how he thinks his mother would feel about his broken relationship with his brother. we don't even need anod eight-time all-star to tell you about it. wait what? get it before it's gone on the subway app! for people who are a little intense about hydration. neutrogena® hydro boost lightweight. clinically proven. for that healthy skin glow. neutrogena®. fopeople with skin.
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in the bronx failed overnight. joining us is nancy hay agains president of the new york state nurses association. good to see you this morning. mount sinai is i saying that union leadership walked out of the negotiations. they proposed a 19.1% wage increase with other hospitals agreed to. what more do you need this morning to end this strike? >> good morning. thank you for having me. from the beginning of our negotiation it was never about wages, it was always about safe patient care and mount sinai know that what we need from them is proper nurse to patient ratios, is proper enforcement for staffing. it's -- you know, it's really something to hear that all they focus on is wages. as nurses, when we go to work, we want to provide safe, quality care to our patients. at this stage we do not have that commitment from mount sinai
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medical center as well as montefiore medical center. that is one of the reasons that we are where we are right now. >> you mention the nurse to patient ratio which we know is crucial to these negotiations. the number of vacancies as we understand it have been high throughout the pandemic. you know, going back two, three years now. i wonder is it difficult to fill these positions? is that one of the issues? >> well, that is our concern. our concern we would like to have a fair contract where we could attract -- where we could really attract and retain great nurses. if you have to go to work in a president where on a daily -- daily that you have to work short, you are asked to care for 20 patients in the emergency room where the ratio should be three. so a lot of our nurses have walked away from the profession just because they are tired of the abuse, they are tired of not able to deliver safe proper care for our patients.
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>> last month i know you also accused hospital management of purposely leaving some of these positions unfilled. why would they leave those unfilled? >> we -- we've been working in those conditions way before the pandemic and after the pandemic management decided to freeze a lot of these positions and they never posted the position. you look at a place at montefiore medical center, they have over 710 positions open. mount sinai, 500 positions open. nurses will not want to work every day and have to carry three times the amount of the load. after a while it's not only physically taxing, but it's mentally taxing and we want to be able to deliver good patient care. meanwhile, this hospital made a lot of profits. the ceo of those two hospitals
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have made seven figures over the past couple of years and what we are asking them is to invest in our communities. invest into the nursing -- into the nurses so we could deliver safe patient care to our patients. our communities deserve better. new yorkers deserve better. >> are you worried, for instance, right now we're showing a list of things that have to happen during this strike including babies transferred from neonatal intensive care units, cancer patients have to find their treatment elsewhere. are you worried about the impact on patients while the strike continues? >> the hospital management have created the crisis. we gave them a ten-day notice on december 30th. the reason we gave them the ten days was we were giving them the opportunity to either fix the problem by coming to the table and negotiate a fair contract or make proper arrangements. the fact that management decided not to come to the table and have a fair contract, they have
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failed the community. they have failed the patients. >> nancy hagans, anybody who has had family members as i have at long-term care in a hospital knows how important nurses are to their care so we thank you for taking the time this morning. >> thank you for having me. buffalo bills safety damar hamlin could be released from the hospital soon. it's been a week now after he collapsed on the field after suffering cardiac arrest. yesterday he posted a photo on social media, you see it there, he's sitting up in the bed wearing that love for damar t-shirt. nfl teams and fans really showing that love at stadiums across the country this weekend. >> it is -- i mean, highlight for a moment how amazing it is to see him in that position considering where he was a few days ago. such good news. the last regular season game day saw teams and coaches, fans, they showed their support in so many ways, flags, signs, clothing with hamlin's name and number. by the way, his team did a pretty good job of tribute --
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sending tribute to him by returning the first play back for a touchdown, the kickoff in their game. our own coy wire joins us now. i understand you talked to one of damar hamlin's teammates after their win over the patriots. what did he have to say? >> reporter: yeah, jim, erica, he couldn't believe, first of all, returning that opening kickoff back which rarely happens, he couldn't believe that it had been three years and three months since the bills last did it. i mean, you could write a hollywood script about perseverance, the power of faith, about people rallying and rising up for others while they're down, this story about hamlin turned into a story about humanity. here is one of the stars of the team dion hawkins talking with us moments afterwards about the emotional turning point this week. >> his father like speaking to us and giving us just like -- like a huge shot of energy and then mcdermott bringing the facetime call on and then us
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actually hearing his voice and seeing his face and seeing him put his arms up and his heart up like those were all huge energy sources that just hit us, you know, but like almost like whatever like a canon, just boom, drop right on us and then now to this moment now of happy tears and these happy tears are real tears as well as the sad tears and just to see that when a group comes together, we put our mind to it and we got it done. >> reporter: from the tears of fear to start the week when damar suffered that cardiac arrest on the field to the tears of joy to his recovery and to the bills turning the kickoff for a touchdown on their very first play since that injury, the world, jim and erica, coming together to support damar hamlin. his gofundme charity to raise money to buy toys for kids has skyrocketed to more than $8.5 million. buffalo bringing out the best in
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us. >> i'm a giants fan, i was rooting for the bills yesterday. thanks a lot. >> there you go. >> reporter: that's big, jim. >> bringing him over. coy, really appreciate it. thank you, my friend. >> reporter: thank you. up next here, a really terrifying story out of texas. a man is accused of kidnapping a woman he met on a dating app, holding her captive for days. we have new details this morning on those charges. treat it that way with aveeno® daily moisture. formulated with nourishing, prebiotic oat. itit's clinically proven to moisturize dry skin for 24 hours. aveeno® ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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charged in the kidnapping and assault of a woman he met on the dating app bumble. the 21-year-old woman said that zachary kent mills held her captive without food or water for five days and beat her when she tried to escape. >> cnn's national correspondent ed lavandera is following the developments from us. what more did we learn from the court documents? >> reporter: these are documents filed in the arrest of 21-year-old zachary kent mills. based on the interviews that the investigators had with the victim in this case, where she alleges that on christmas eve, december 24th, she connected with mills on the dating app bumble and that he came by her apartment, picked her up and they went back to his apartment and that's where according to the court documents he immediately tried to engage in sexual intercourse. the victim told investigators that she refused the advances and that then mills began to physically assault her, punching
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her, slapping her and even at one point using a screwdriver to inflict damage on the woman as well. the court documents reveal that the woman was found with bruised eyes, bruises all over her body as well as cuts to her neck and throat. despite all of this five days later mills according to the court documents decided to leave his apartment and go see his father and that is when the woman was able to escape. despite all of this, the attorney for mills says that no one should rush to judgment in this case. >> not to be incesensitive to t complaining witness at all or for anyone who may have experienced these traumatic events but i think also it's important to know that there are two sides to this story. my client is presumed innocent as is afforded to him through the constitution and due process. >> reporter: now, as you mentioned, jim, mills is out on bond, it was a $50,000 bond.
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there are some conditions on that release. he is not allowed to come within 200 feet of where the victim lives, works or goes to school, and that he has to observe a 24-hour home confinement curfew as well. he is not expected back in court, though, until early march. >> goodness. thank god the woman is safe. ed lavandera, thanks for covering it. significant flooding, mudslides, power outages all possible with more heavy rain and mountain snow bombarding california. two bouts of extreme weather are expected, so one today followed by another one tomorrow and already this morning wind gusts of more than 100 miles an hour have been recorded. and this, of course, is on top of last week's storms. >> yeah, i mean, extreme weather, that's the phrase of the day. still more than 100,000 californians are without power after last week's storm system. camila bernal has the latest from san francisco. i just wonder how extensive this all is.
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>> reporter: jim, erica, good morning. it is going to be nonstop rain over the next couple of days. it's a little bit lighter right now, but more is coming, and not only are people in california not used to getting this type of rain, but the biggest problem is the back to back storms with very little time in between. the ground is already very saturated and we are not just talking here in the bay area, it's essentially all of california. authorities telling people you need to be ready for power outages and you need to be ready for very dangerous driving conditions. again, because it is already so saturated, the ground is so saturated, that means the possibility of mudslides and that means the possibility of sinkholes. two things that already happened with the previous storms. officials here in the bay area saying that they are also worried about a communications blackout. here is the executive director of the department of emergency management in san francisco. >> many of the infrastructure
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for even communications, that's our cell and internet, is underground and so as we get more inundation from the rain they're seeing more failure around those what we call lifeline systems. >> reporter: and this is why people need to be careful because all of these things added together make it very dangerous for the people in california and for the people here in the bay area. san francisco recorded its wettest ten-day period last week since 1871. we are expecting between 2 to 5 inches of rain over the next couple of days and so that is why officials are saying you have to be ready, you have to be prepared. along the ocean the communities there, everybody using sandbags, doing everything they can to keep the water away from their homes, but, again, it's people who are not used to so many rain in so little time. guys, back to you. >> it is a lot, that is maybe an understatement. appreciate it. thank you. still ahead, what would
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princess diana think about the very public rift between her two tons, prince harry answering that question as he continues his media tour for his tell-all book about the royal family. the latest revelations next. wouldn't be a thing. yeah, dad! i don't want to deal with this. oh, you brought your luggage to the airportrt. that's adorarable. with shipgo shipping your luggage before you fly you'll never have to wait around here again. like ever. that can't be comfortable though. shipgo.com the smart, fast, easy way to travel. you go by lots of titles veteran, son, dad. -it's time to get up. -no. hair stylist and cheleader. so adding a “student” tle might feel overwhelming. what if a school could be there for all of yo career, family, finances and mental health.
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new bombshell revelations overnight from prince harry just a day before the long awaited release of his memoire "spare." this morning the duke of sussex was asked about how his mother, princess diana, would have reacted to the rift between him and his brother, william. >> i think she would be sad. i think she would be looking at -- looking at it long term, to know that there are certain things that we need to go through to be able to heal the
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relationship. i think she would be heartbroken that its ended up where its ended up. i think she would be heartbroken about the fact that william, his office, were part of these stories and william and i made a pact, made a deal that no matter what we would never let our offices fight against each other. >> joining me now to discuss christopher anderson, royal expert, author of dozens of books on the royal family including "brothers and wives" and most recently "the king: the life of charles iii." good to see you this morning. in watching these interviews and i think anderson cooper made this point really well this morning here on cnn, he talked about overall this really is a story of grief and you see how much the death of his mother changed not only likely the trajectory of mary's life but also this relationship between harry and william. >> i think one of the most
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stunning revelations here is the fact that harry and to some extent william did not accept diana's death. they didn't believe she was dead for -- he was 23 before -- that his mother wasn't coming home magically, magical thinking was going on there. he still is coping with grief, his brother is still coping with grief. charles, i think, feels rather guilty for having forced his -- persuaded his sons to walk behind their mother's coffin. that's still something that's very triggering for both boys, they say they suffer from ptsd because of it. indeed it is a story of coping with grief and how that grief has affected everyone in the royal family. >> there's so many questions this morning, obviously, about what the relationship is today between harry, his brother and his father and what it could be in the future. he told anderson they haven't talked in a while, haven't texted, haven't spoken with one another. he does hope to have that relationship. did he say in another interview
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he admits he bears some responsibility for the falling out, for the rift with william, but based on everything we're seeing over the last week or so, what do you think the chances are that there is some sort of reconciliation between the three? >> zero, to be quite honest, because, you know, he says he wants to repair this relationship, he wants his brother and his father back, but he has a peculiar way of hoping it. what is the ultimate goal here? not only does harry kind of throw [ inaudible ] under the bus but he's throwing kate and camilla under the bus a bit and that's another revelation. i have known -- i have written about this that i knew behind the scenes william and harry were somewhat resentment of camilla's role and did not want her to become queen. here he comes right out and says they both tried to talk their father out of marrying camilla. so we know -- >> to your point -- >> to be -- >> he called her a villain, a
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dangerous woman who traded information. i just want to play a little bit more of that discussion with anderson. take a look. >> if you are led to believe as a member of the family that being on the front page, having positive headlines, positive stories written about you is going to improve your reputation or increase the chances of you being accepted as monarch by the british public, then that's what you're going to do. >> to your point, you may have known about some of this, this hasn't really been public about how unhappy they were with her and unhappy with the way things went down, including the fact that they decided to marry. what does this do now? >> well, i mean, there's a constitutional question here. it was raised recently. no king has ever been crowned who was divorced. you may remember when camilla and charles were married in 2005, they had to get down on their knees before the archbishop of canterbury and ask for forgiveness for their man a
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fold sins and wickedness was the phrase. the church didn't marry them, they were married in a civil ceremony. now the church of england puts the crown on the king's head. when it's a situation where both the queen and the king would have been -- we all know about what happened, the affair they had, it destroyed the marriage with diana, it's just going to get sticky and the british people -- behind camilla becoming queen and if william and harry aren't then this really casts a pal over the ceremony coming up in may. by the way, charles is very defensive when it comes to camilla, he is not going to like whatever negative remarks are made by harry about camilla, so we will see how he reacts and he can react by tyke taking away titles. they still are the duke and duchess of sussex but it's all up to king charles, if he wants to retaliate he can. >> anderson asked him about that title. i only have a time for a yes or
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no, do you think this changes whether harry and meghan will be invited to the coronation? >> it could. it could. >> christopher anderson -- great to see you this morning, appreciate it. thank you. >> thank you. and don't miss prince harry's sit down with anderson, catch it tonight in an "ac360" special on cnn 8:00 p.m. eastern time. still ahead, the ukrainian president calls it the bloodiest site on the ukrainian front lines. how the town of bakhmut is holding off russian forces against all odds and with an enormous shocking human cost. we will be live on the ground nearby. that's coming up. mom didn't know which way to turn. but thanks to the right planan promise from unitedhealthcare she e got a medicare plan expert to help guide her to the right plan with the right care team behind her. ♪ wow, uh-huh.♪ and for her, it's a medicare plan with the aarp name. i hope i can keep up!
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when i read accounts of the human toll on the front lines, ben, it is mind-boggling. dozens of ukrainians a day, you hear fighters, are they making headway? has this become a war of attrition? what does it look like? >> it looks like a war of attrition, but at moment it looks like perhaps the russians are getting in the upper hand, jim. we're getting reports from the town right next to bakhmut, that there is in ttense fighting in e center of the city. today for instance, from here we could see russian jets flying over that area and ukrainian air defenses trying to take them down. now we spent the weekend in cremma tors. we spent the night in a basement/bomb shelter as and what we saw, they are shell shocked. this is a city where for months
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there has been intense bombardment, according to local officials, more than 60% of the city has been destroyed. only 10% of the population remains. there is no electricity, no running water, no heat, no telecommunications. but people hang on. we were in one of those shelters where people go where there are generators and there is wood stoves and satellite link ups. but what we saw was people really in a daze. just barely capable of functioning. volunteers are providing them with hot drinks, with a warm meal and medicine if they need it but the volunteers are overwhelmed with the scale of the situation. in fact, we had orthodox christmas eve dinner with three of the only seven doctors left in the city that used to have 300 doctors. and they told us that basically
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the psychological state of the few residents left in bakhmut is paralyze. >> could only imagine, ben, really appreciate it. thank you. another story we've been following, a chinese invasion of taiwan, if it were to happen, would fail and leave the chinese navy in a shambles and cost thousands of lives, that is the conclusion of a war game simulation completed for the center for strategic and international studies. those war games are done to get a sense of how these conflicts would be. >> oren liebermann joining us now. so this is a simulation. but just yesterday taiwan said 28 chinese aircraft actually crossed into their air defense zone underscoring of course, as jim points out, why these exercises are necessary. what else did it find?
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>> it is the because of the build up of forces, especially after the visit of nancy pelosi, that some experts that a chinese military is preparing for an invasion. what that might look lear in the year 2026 running 24 different simulations and all of the war games were costly for china and taiwan and the u.s. and the most pessimistic scenario, china failed. failed to get a beach head from which it could assert control over the island and this is for two broad reasons. first am fibphibious assaults a difficult. and in terms of the numbers, results of the war games, the center for strategic and international students said the u.s. would lose 10 to 20 service combat ships including two aircraft carriers and 200 to 400 military aircraft depending on the scenario and what went behind it.
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china would lose 90% of the amphibious fleet and some 50 combat warships and 150 aircraft. japan would lose, because according to the war game scenario, the u.s. would need to use bases in japan to make sure it is close to the scenario. crucial to this is assumption that taiwan resists or else csi points out, this is a pointless exercise if taiwan doesn't immediately fight back here. some of the assumptions that went into this are taiwanese resistance and the ability of the u.s. to use bases to fight back against china. it is worth pointing out that there are other experts who say china will look to gain control of taiwan but use economic power and industrial power to do so, not their military. >> goodness, loss of 10 to 20 u.s. ships and aircraft carriers and thousands of sailors involved. quite an alarming outlook. oren liebermann, thank you so much. still ahead, we're live on
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