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top the hour here on your monday. i'm erica hill. >> and i'm jim sciutto. nice to be with erica. right now president biden is in mexico as he prepares to meet face-to-face with the mexico president obrador later today in what is a big week for u.s./mexico ties. biden made his first visit to the u.s. southern border on sunday. enormous political implications here. we met with border officials in el paso, texas. while highlighting the disturbing rise not just in migrants but in u.s. fentanyl
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deaths. >> also we are following what is happening in brazil. shades of the january 6 attack on the u.s. capitol after false claims of a stolen election. sounds familiar. supporters of brazil's jair bolsonaro smashing windows and clashing with police and breaking into congress and the presidential palace and the supreme court. hundreds have been arrested. meantime, in washington this morning with kevin mccarthy fin finally locking up the house speakership, gop members meeting to select their remaining committee chairs. all of this ahead of a critical vote later today on the rules package which mccarthy negotiated with those gop hardliners in order to get the speaker's gavel. we do want to begin this hour in mexico city with cnn's priscilla alvarez. this is president biden first full day in mexico city. and there is quite an agenda when he sits down with the
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mexico president. >> reporter: and one of the key issues on that agenda is migration. this is an issue that has been a page political liability for president biden at home and it is one that the white house is trying to reshape the narrative on. with his visit to el paso just yesterday, and now in mexico. if you put these two stops together, really underscores the predicament for president biden, trying to find solutions at home while also trying to seek assistance here in mexico. now, the united states has historically looked to mexico to try to shore up support as they enforce the u.s./mexico border and there is no exception here where the president is expected to talk with mexico president obrador about migration and the way they could send the flow of migration at a time of mass movement across the western hemisphere. now administration officials tell me and underscore the coordination between the two countries up until this point and they hope that discussions between the two presidents will
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reinvigorate that support. we got a glimpse of that last week when president biden gave a border security speech and announced a program that migrants would use to apply to come to the united states legally. but if they didn't, they would be pushed back into mexico under that trump era covid restriction. and again, something that requires agreement between the united states and mexico. so those are the conversations that they're going to be having. in addition to also trying to tackle economic development and climate change and security. that of course includes fentanyl as you mentioned. >> so there have been good relationships between the u.s. and mexico presidents and some bad ones, too. and difficult ones. there are issues across the border that are issues. what is it like between joe biden and on -- on radar. >> they talked about migration, if you recall, the mexico president did not attend, he
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snubbed the summit because the biden administration did not want to invite some authoritarian regimes to partake in the summit. there was some representation there so there were discussions but it still can be tense. >> certainly. prescilla, appreciate it. thank you. all right. brazil's new president and other world leaders are condemning rioters who stormed government building in the capital of brazil, over, this will sound familiar, false election claims. >> the supporters of jair bolsonaro broke into and vandalized congress and the supreme court and the presi presidential palace and a week after the inauguration of da silva. marco martin is live this morning. talk about what the reaction has been to this situation. what are people saying in brazil? >> reporter: good morning.
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a lot of people comment on the accidents and the acts that took place yesterday. they were very angry. most in brazil reacted against it. they condemned the attacks and then supported the president. today the president had a meeting with the heads of congress, the heads of the military, and some of his ministers, including also the head of the supreme court. they all discussed and they issued a letter together condemning those actions in brazil. another important point is that the military and the police in brazil were able to remove some supporters of bolsonaro who already camping in front of the army headquarters in the capital. >> thank you so much for covering. let's take you now to washington. capitol hill, gop lawmakers expected to meet and to pick remaining committee chairs today. and then a little bit later this afternoon comes the major vote on the controversial rules
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package. >> cnn congressional correspondent manu raju joins us now. i think we asked about a thousand times last week, does he have the votes. he finally got the votes for the speakership. does he have the votes for this rules package? >> reporter: that is what they're trying to figure out right now. they do expect that to pass. this package was part of some of the concessions that kevin mccarthy had to cut in order to get this -- get the speakership. there are some key concessions in this package. not all of them are in there. but one of them in particular having allow one member of the full house to essentially call for a vote of no confidence in the sitting speaker. something that could create some instability in the speakership. that is one part of the rules package. another part making it harder to raise taxes. making it harder to raise spending. as well as providing new provisions to reinstitute a old rule but a new provision to target federal officials salaries and here is the speaker. mr. speaker, are you going to -- what do you say to folks
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concerned about the concessions that you cut particularly on vac at ating the chair. the speaker didn't answer that. he hasn't in the passed when i've asked him about this specific issue. about allowing one member of the house to essentially call for the speaker's oust. he has said he's not afraid of that. he said bring -- he'll be able to survive this if it were to come to pass. he was asked late friday night after he secured the votes for the speakership whether or not he could maintain and keep his job. how confident he is. he said he's a 1,000% confident he could keep his job. but the rules package, we do expect one member of the republican conference to oppose it and another one has raised concerns as well. they could only lose four votes on any party line bill, any four republican votes. that will mean that there is very little margin for error. and assuming that bill passes tonight, then we expect other legislation to move forward that republicans have been talking about.
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one, to go after funding for the irs, that was some of the democrats had approved as part of their inflation reduction sakt a plan enacted last year and party line bills on energy, dealing with abortion and also creating a new committee to look into the fbi and the justice department. that is a house select committee that they plan to approve later this week. but again the challenges of governing only beginning here as mccarthy and other republicans meeting in the room behind me to select their committee chairman in some of the key committees as the people will be central to shaping the legislation going forward and kevin mccarthy's challenge lays ahead. guys. >> we'll be watching. manu, i appreciate you trying to get comment from him. he know you try hard every day. thank you. joining us now, sarah longwell publisher of the bulwark and political director for cnn david chalian. good to have you both on.
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sarah sa sarah, given the rules and the hard-line right in the house, is the battle that we saw last week really going to be the rule as opposed to the exception as to how votes go through the house going forward? or don't go through the house going forward. >> yeah, kevin mccarthy's, the difficulties for him are just the beginning. and you know, i think while we war watching the speakership fight, it was easy to look at it and see it as a bit of a show, because the stakes were a little bit low. somebody was going to be speaker. the stakes are about to get incredibly high in terms of what is going to come up in front of this governing body. we're going to see a fight over whether or not we're going to continue to fund ukraine. are we going to continue fund our military readiness and that is something that looks like it is going to split republicans against each other. you're going to see a fight over the debt ceiling and that doesn't just -- that impacts all of us. it impacts the credit rating of the united states and it impacts whether or not the government shuts down. and so you're going to have some members of the party who want to
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see -- who will want to negotiate lower spending and things like that but they won't want to shut down the government. but then you have that chaos group that really has so much control now and they have no problem shutting down the government because for them, you know, gumming up the works is sort of the point. so it is about to get even more complicated for kevin mccarthy. >> right. the talk is constantly about how from that group of hardliners, they want to show the government doesn't work and at any chance the they can to make that happen. david, as we look at what is playing out today, where do you think things stand, jessica dean at 5:00 tonight on the rules p package. there is a chance this doesn't pass. how realistic is that chance? >> i guess there is a chance when you're dealing with such small margins and speaker mccarthy could only afford to lose four votes. but you heard from manu, that
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the current reporting is that it is expected to pass. i think we've only heard of one member of the republican conference, congressman gonzalez come out to say that he is opposed to it. and i don't think we know of an on the record plan for somebody else yet to vote against it. though, nancy mace and others have said they're open and thinking about this. but the expectation is it will pass. but, again, this is about organizing the house. to sarah's point, i think what going to happen here when we get to the big ticket items like raising the debt ceiling, you know, it used to be what they called the haster rule in the republican conference when denny hester was speaker. if you have a majority of the majority, he could go to the floor and then wheel and deal as needed. well, this whole rule that manu was just talking about and asked speaker mccarthy about, only one
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person necessary to put into motion a vacate of the chair and try to put another speaker election front and center grinding everything to a halt. that is -- that allows every member to retaliate against mccarthy if indeed something like the debt limit, he needs to bring over democratic votes. where it used to be a faction of republicans may be angry about that, but now they have a tool in their hand to do something that would grind everything to a halt. >> so sarah, let me ask you, you had some discussions last week of democrats working with republicans to pass a speaker. could you have that kind of bipartisan cooperation to get over what david is describing there, for instance, for big stuff. i'm not talking about immigration reform. i'm just talking about raising debt limit or keep the government open. >> yeah, my guess is that is going to have to happen. but as david points out, what is
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really complicated about that is that kevin mccarthy with the narrow margin and you saw this with the democrats on infrastructure for example, they could get a faction of republicans to work with them. and that is really important. and there has been almost this shadow congress that has worked together to keep governing going. so that is possible. the problem is, as david points out, this new rule with the motion to vacate. what those chaos agents want is to close off that lever. they don't want to see kevin mccarthy negotiate with democrats. and so this is the central most fundamental problem where nobody wants to see -- that chaos group doesn't want to see compromise and how kevin mccarthy balances that is very difficult. >> and mccarthy is now speaker but is he actually leading the party? >> great question. >> he is. it is a matter of how he does that leading.
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i mean, he is in the sense that yes, he's elected to speak. there is no doubt he had to make a series of concessions to get there that will challenge his ability to maintain that grip on the party that he was able to get at the end of the day on friday in the wee hours of saturday morning. so he is a leader in name if the fact that he is elected speaker. but it is not his conference to just sort of dictate here. it is going to be a constant negotiation with these more hard-line or as sarah is calling them chaos agents inside of the republican conference. >> david chalian and sarah longwell, it is going to be quite a ride. thank you so much. >> sure. well right now more than 7,000 nurses are on the picket line here in new york city. the strike forcing ambulances to divert to other hospitals. babies are being transferred from the nicu. we'll take you there live. plus police say an elementary schoolteacher in virginia is improving in stable condition after being shot by a
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6-year-old student. authorities now trying to determine how they deal with the case. >> a 6-year-old. later new revelations from prince harry just hours before the publication of his memoir. why he said his stepmother in his view, his step mother camilla was dangerous. >> woman: i have a few morore minutes. let's go! >> tech vo: that's service that fits your schededule. go to safelite.com. >> singers: ♪ safelite e repai, safelite replace. ♪ if your business kept on employees through the pandemic, getrefunds.com can see if it may qualify for a payroll tax refund of up to $26,000 per ployee. all it takes is eight minutes to get started then work with pfessionals to assist your business with its forms and bmit the application. go to getrefunds.com to learn more. wayfair has deals so big that you might get a big head. because with savings so real... you can get your dream sofa for half the price. wayfair. it's always a big deal. ♪ wayfair, you've got just what i need ♪
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>> that is exactly what she told us. and in some cases she said there were -- where there should be three nurses per patient and there were 20 and the nurses have been working long hours and cite unsafe conditions saying it is difficult to properly care for patients. janessa you're cave itch is live. and we're heard and reported over the last couple of years about how difficult it is been during covid in terms of staffing, in terms of responsibilities. what are you hearing this morning from folks in the picket line? >> reporter: absolutely, jim and erica. and you have hundreds of nurses outside here in front of mt. sinai. this is one of two hospitals that failed to reach agreements with the union. and the main issue that they are facing is staffing. that is the ratio of patients to nurses. i want to bring in one nurse here who is on the picket line. this is roy.
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he's a surgical icu nurse. roy, why are you out here today? >> so we're out here because we're trying to stand up for our patients. this is not about the nurses, this is not about us. we're trying to fight for our patients. we took care of patients before covid and during covid and after covid. and covid, the pandemic, was our breaking point. >> you have a critical job, are you concerned about your patients inside right now while you're outside? >> absolutely. the patients are most concerned. those patients are double and tripled and quadruple of the care that they're supposed to get right now from us. so if you have one nurse that is supposed to take care of two, one nurse is taking care of four patients. for critically care patients, that is unacceptable. it is not supposed to happen. but med surge nurses, they are supposed to have five patients and they have ten patients. and like they're saying, if you see our nurses outside, there is something wrong inside of the building. that is what is tgoing on.
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we're out here and that is it. >> thank you, roy. so governor kathy hochul has recommended a neutral party to try to negotiate between the two sides. the hospitals have agreed to that. but the union has not. so until then there is other things going on. they're rerouting ambulances, rerouting patients. they moved nicu babies to other hospitals. but until then, the people here are these front lines of the strike and also of the pandemic say they're going to remain here until a deal is reached. just as roy said, though, they would rather be inside thiwith their patients but they are fighting for what they deserve. >> a lot of consequences. vanessa, thank you so much. a new port news, virginia, elementary school is closed as authorities there try to determine how to deal with a case of a 6-year-old boy who was accused of shooting a teacher in
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class. the teacher identified as abby zerner, and the boy 6 years old is in custody. >> the police chief said that the shooting was not accidental. and they've been in contact with the commonwealth attorney and other agencies to help get services to the child. authorities must also determine where exactly the gun came from, what led a 6-year-old to shoot his teacher. joining us now, law enforcement and intelligence analyst jon miller. jon, there is a lot to sort out here. first question i imagine is how the child got there gun. but then also how do you handle it from here? >> well, jim, this is largely uncharted territory because of the age of the suspect here. it is hard to say 6-year-old and suspect in the same sentence. even within the criminal just system. so, going backwards, they've got to figure out where did that gun come from. the fundamental questions was did it come from the home?
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how was it secured. why was it available to the child? if it didn't come from the home, did he find it? did it come from somewhere else. so you have a three-step process here. number one, the legal piece. which is everybody in america has a fundamental right to a trial where they are competent to stand trial, assist in their own defense. there is a significant legal argument that suggests that a 6-year-old child is not able to understand the process or to effectively assist in their own defense. so that puts it into -- do we even have a criminal matter here. even though it involves an intentional shooting. or is there a child in need of services rather than the criminal justice system? that is step one. step two is, if the child isn't culpable, who is he? is it negligence on the part of the people in the home for making that gun somewhere where it could be accessible. is it someone outside of the home and is it an illegal gun possessed by an older brother or
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a relative that this child came into contact with. so, the first thing is to remove the child from the environment. so the child is in custody of the state. and being cared for. the second thing is to figure out what is the home situation, where did it weapon come from? >> so authorities could see at home, they have not commented on the child's family. we talk about what we need to know about the gun and what do we know about the gun and where it came from this morning? >> well if this was new york city, 99% of the handguns that would be found in a residence in new york city would be illegal guns. and in virginia, anybody who is a state resident could purchase and keep a pistol. so there is a lot more guns available there. they will have to trace the weapon, when it was purchased, who was it purchased by and was that the actual owner or has it been handed off a couple of times. >> but they would have that information by now.
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this is friday. by now they would have all of that. >> they would. but that is part of the criminal investigation about -- it is pretty clear at this point that the child is not going to be held criminally responsible. but it is also pretty clear that a teacher was shot in an open classroom in front of other children. someone is going to be held responsible and linking that gun not just to the purchaser but who ultimately had it when it fell into the hands of a 6-year-old is probably the person that is the focus of that prosecution. >> jon, is it drim to in effect not keep that gun safe, therefore to prevent a 6-year-old from getting access to a gun, assuming that is what happened here? >> so there are safety rules about guns. but i think where we're going here is skipping over the gun itself and going to exactly what your pointing to, jim, which issen -- is endangering the
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welfare of a minor is one of the first things they'll look at. >> i'm sort of speechless and we were talking about this in the break because it is so unprecedented because you just don't think something like this happening when it wasn't an accident like the school said. >> to a kid might find a gun in the home and accidently shoot themselves or somebody else. we've seen that before in terrible tragedies. but the idea of a child finding it and taking it to school and getting into an argument and knowing how the gun works whether it has a safety or not and aiming and firing. where does that come from and the answer to that is video games, watching other relatives, what is on television, all we're seeing is people shooting guns at oeach other and that is how the entertainment is defined. >> in many instances people believe violence is an answer whenever they have an issue and perhaps even a 6-year-old. so that is something as a country that perhaps we need to talk about. jon, always appreciate it.
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prince harry said his mother diana would be heartbroken over the broken relationship between him and his brother william. that is one of the fresh revelations from the duke of sussex on the day before the memoir "spare". >> harry also admitted in an interview with our colleague anderson cooper that after diana died, in 1997, he held out hope somehow for nearly a decade that she was alive and hiding somewhere. >> you didn't believe she was dead? >> for a long time. i just refused to accept that she was gone. part of she would never do this to us, but also part of maybe this is all part of a plan. >> you really believe that maybe she had decided to just disappear for a time. >> for a time and then she would call us and we would join her. >> how long did you believe that? >> years. many, many years. and william and i talked about it as well.
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he had similar thoughts. >> joining now to discuss, cnn royal historian kate williams and royal watcher kristin miser. kate, you heard us say that harry is genuinely concerned that his mother would be heartbroken over the rift between he and his members of his family. he also said that the book isn't intended to hurt his family in any way but he does want to show that this is not the fault of his wife meghan markle. given how personal many of the things that he's said, harsh things and tough things, whether those relationships with his father, with his brother, with others are repairable. >> yes, jim. harry has been very honest. he said honesty is not burning bridges and will say what he thinks and he has been very critical of the camilla, the queen consort and william and some of kate and also of charles and the royal family. a lot of his ire was preserved
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for the tabloid press who intruded to his life and blames for for the death of his mother and he was telling anderson, have you spoken to your brother or your father and harry said no, we haven't text, i haven't heard from them and he said there is no way that he thinks he could go back as a working royal. these relationships are very damaged and clearly how he feels that the relationships have already been so damaged that it is not going to make it worse by writing the book. and of course the book comes out in about nine hours time as an e-book and people will read it. and it is full, i think, of an unhappy relationship. harry's life in the royal family through the book. it seems to be incredibly unhappy and he's not holding back and stopping, harry is really throwing down the bombshells. >> based on what we've heard so far in interviews in excerpts from folks who got their hands on a book before, there is certainly nothing enchantered about his childhood or the royal family based on the picture that
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he paints. it is interesting, one of the things that stood out to me as we look at what we're hearing and what is new here is that harry pointed out that he said he and meghan did not call the royal family racist. he said this is what the press took from that interview from oprah in coverage and talked about his and his family's unconscious bias. was that harry trying to pull back a little bit in some ways in terms of those comments? >> is he trying to pull back? i think he's really just trying to give context. i think he's trying to add some nuance. and once again -- >> oops. we may have lost kate. there kristin -- but kate if you want to jump in. is it him pulling back a little bit. was it misunderstood at the time? what do you make of that? >> well, yes, he's never going to say who it was. it did happen. the questions about archie's
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skin tone and in oprah's interview it was linked to his place in the succession, would archie be out of the succession. this is the question that was raised. harry is never going to say who it was. but he didn't say that his family was racist. so there is a contradiction there. but i think certainly harry feels that there have been -- i think harry feels that he to learn about racism. he's talked about other parts that there was unconscious bias and they thought meghan was an actress and divorcee and he's implicitly saying this and i i think don't want to accuse them but i think it is going to be threaded through the book that there was stereo typing there against meghan and his children. >> it cre afteated that interve. he said i don't know whether
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they'll be watching, speaking about his brother or father, but what they have to say to me and what i have to say to them will be in private and i hope it could stay that way. i think we lost kristin again, so kate, i'll leave this to you. kristin is back. i don't foe if you heard me there. but he said to the itv, what they have to say to me and what i have to say to them will be in private and i hope it could stay that way. given what he's said in public, personal and critical things of his brother and his father and his stepmother camilla. what -- how can he say that? kate, i might have to go to you because i don't think kristin could hear so well, the connection. >> yes. harry has been -- there has been a lot of criticism, but harry sees this as honesty and everyone knew about this in the royal family, everyone knew how he was being treated. there was some very severe
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allegations. these photos of camilla the queen concert and harry said he used the phrase she got into bed with the press and because she sort of used him in a p.r. campaign that she had to be queen. so i think forgiveness is a very long way away. reconciliation is a very long way away. i think that harry wants a full apology. i'm not sure whether the royals will get it. it is a long and tough road ahead, particularly for cha monarchy. i don't think it will be the same again. >> sorry about the connections. thank you so much. technology sometimes is not our friend. still to come here, breaking news out of georgia. the fulton county grand jury has concluded the investigation into the donald trump and the 2020 election so how soon could we learn about any recommendations? that is just ahead. stay with us.
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feels better together. breaking news. something we've been following closely for sometime. the georgia grand jury investigating the over turning of the election by trump and his allies has completed its work and its report. elly honig is joining us now. what happened next? what is the d.a. do with this information. >> so think about this as the beginning of the end game. as you said, this is been a
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special grand jury that has been investigating this since may of last year. so 7, 8 months now. the reporting is that they have completed their work. they have written up a report. we don't know whether the report includes a recommendation, indict or don't indict as to donald trump or anybody else. there is going to be a hearing on january 24th, a couple of weeks from now about whether that report becomes public. either way, whether that report bams public or contains recommendations or not, the d.a., the fulton county district attorney will have to make the next big decision which does she go to a regular grand jury to seek an indictment. this special grand jury has the power to investigate and to issue a report, but not to indict. so now the d.a. has to take all of the evident and decide do i now take it to a separate grand jury, a regular grand jury and ask them for an indictment. >> so what specific georgia laws might the president and his allies be indicted under and
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what would the time line be, expected time line given your experience given the next step you just described to make that decision? >> so there are various georgia state laws that could be in play here. first of all, relating to interference of the election. it is against the law in georgia to ask any official to count votes that were not cast to not count votes that were cast, or to falsely certify the outcome of an election. of course we all think back to donald trump's january 2nd, 20 12u call to georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger to find 11,780 votes and we could see recommended charges relating to false statements relating to the false elector scheme and also there has been some reporting about potential racketeering charges which essentially means some sort of organized group that committed a series of crimes. in terms of timing, jim, it is hard to say. prosecutors could go into a grand jury and they could present evidence in summary fashion. so they could move fairly
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quickly. >> we'll be watching. it is a big development at least along the way. elie honig, thank you so much. >> thank you, both. just moments ago, the husband of a missing mother from massachusetts appearing in court to face charges that he misled investigators. what we know about her disappearance, next. so aaron's fololks could help hook him up with a new ride. we'll drive you happy at carvana. okay everyone, our mission is complete balanced nutrition. together we support immune function. supply fuel for immune cells and sustain tissue health. ensure with twenty-five vitamins and miners, and ensureomplete with thirty grs of protein. i'd like to thank our sponsor liberty mutual. they customize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. contestants ready? go! only pay for what you need. jingle: liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty.
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she reportedly disappeared early in the morning on new year's day. >> investigators say the mother of three was supposed to go on a work trip but never made it to -- on her flight to washington, d.c. walsh's husband and her employer reported her missing several days later. let's speak now to former senior fbi profiler and former fbi special agent mary ellen o'toole. so new details we just got in court. he bought $450 in cleaning supplies the day after she disapp disappeared and a knife with blood on it was found. i wonder, innocent it will proven guilty but you're a profiler. when you look at the details, what is your reaction. >> that would elevate any interest in the husband and of course all of that physical evidence would have to be analyzed to confirm that it is her blood on the knife and cleaning supplies are often used in cases and people think that they could clean up blood or
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other physical evidence that is left behind. that is not true. so if they can confirm that they do have a scene, they have a scene where she was hurt or murder and they could confirm it is her, then that certainly elevates the interest in him. >> there are a lot of things that are odd here. she was supposed to return to work on january 3rd but apparently there was a work emergency and that is why she was going back to washington, d.c., supposed to go earlier. and there are questions about whether or not she actually got in a ride share car early minute morning on the first to go to the airport. authorities aren't really confirmed that detail. does that strike you as surprising? >> it strikes me as surprising because they should be able to, if it occurred, they should be able to confirm the uber or the taxi or some other ride share that picked her up. so they probably have that information. but they're not releasing it. because that would be easy to confirm. >> tell us about next steps in an investigation like this?
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what will they do with regards to both the husband here, but also in terms of investigating the disappearance itself. >> well one of the priorities is obviously to try to find -- if she's dead to try to find her body and they have been doing that. but it is a pretty difficult situation to just have searchers out there with dogs trying to look in a location where a human body may or may not be. so, probably at this point, what they're doing, if he's not talking to them, is they're talking to other people that are close to the family, other people that may have other information and, of course, if the husband has transported her someplace, they'll be searching the car for all sorts of physical evidence. >> still so many questions at this point. mary ellen o'toole, appreciate your insight. thank you. and thanks to all of you for joining us today.
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