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>> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. good morning, everyone. welcome to "cnn this morning." poppy and i here in new york, kaitlan is in washington. we begin with breaking news happening right now. the faa experiencing a system outage. looking at live pictures this is atlanta, hartsfield international airport there. many flights across the country
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grounded right now. i want to take you to the scene, this is in las vegas. keep in mind, okay, this is a system that pilots use for any kind of notification. not clear how many flights are affected or which locations. we want to get straight to pete muntean but we're told new information pete as we get to you perhaps you have information on this. united has delayed all flights temporarily as well. what is going on? >> reporter: so far we've heard from american and united airlines. united said it's holding all flights on the ground right now because of the major system outage, the notice to air missions system. that means pilots cannot receive critical information they need to take off. these have to do with whether or not runways are open, navigational aids are available to pilots. this is critical stuff making sure the pilots know things are not available or may not be working. we are hearing the cancellations
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and delays are going up. so far the delays have doubled in the last hour, it was 400 yer earlier, now more than 1100 delays nationwide today. this comes after a tough winter for air travel. we saw the southwest cancellations late last month over the holidays. we saw briefly an issue with their computer system. the air transportation system can be so fragile at times it relies on critical systems. and the faa tells us it's doing final validation checks right now to make sure the system will get back online sometime soon. we have a statement from them, they're repopulating the system right now but this is affecting operations across the national airspace system. that has a huge impact on air travel. we don't know the full scope of this just yet. this could have a trickle down effect throughout the day. we will see how quickly the faa gets to fixing the system.
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they have known about this issue, at least since late last night. and so, they have put on a few notices behind the scenes that we've been able to access which the faa said they knew about this as early as 3:00 p.m. yesterday so they've been fixing it overnight. see if it affects flights throughout the day, if not just the morning. we could have a resolution sometime soon although the faa isn't saying that yet. >> we know it takes one glitch. >> and yes. and miles o'brien said it's like jenga. he had not remembered this happening with the system. have you? >> reporter: we've seen micro instances of this happening. southwest airlines had a brief outage last week where its system, run by ibm, was not able to deliver weather pack sets.
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essentially the weather information in text forms to their pilots on the airline. i've been around aviation my entire life, i'm a pilot and flight instructor and i've never seen this either. the fact there's a meltdown of the system. so many things can be a lynch p pin and the faa is working on modernizing these systems. we have seen what happens when there is a local outage, like in jacksonville at one of the big air traffic control centers and there and how that has a ripple effect throughout the system causing flight cancellations and delays. this system is a nationwide system. it goes out to every airplane trying to take off. the fact that pilots cannot access this is critical and we're seeing the impact right now. >> pete i want you to stand by. this is our breaking news, faa experiencing a system outage causing major flight disruptions in the u.s.
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this is a big issue, it takes one thing to go wrong and things to back up, a ripple effect. >> and to talk about how important these are for pilots. we have peter goals with us, a former managing director at the ntsb, perfect guest to talk to us about this. talk about how critical these notices, the notice to air missions pilots get before they takeoff. >> as pete mentioned they give pilots the up to date information on what's going on at the airport if perhaps a localize eris out, which helps guide airplanes into runways to make safe landings, if that localizer is down, that's noticed. if a runway is closed, if a taxi way is closed. and there's been accidents in the past, serious accidents,
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when pilots have not been up to date on their notams, they haven't read them, and people die. so they have to go through the packet of information before they leave the ground, it's absolutely essential, and the system can be fragile. >> it sounds like the notices are basically mission critical to flights. >> it runs the whole gamut but they are mission critical. they can tell you, there's going to be increased helicopter activity around the airport today because of something. or it says, run way 3 is being repaved at this portion will be shutdown for two days. and if you don't have that information, it can put you in a very difficult situation. >> peter, do you think that this -- do you anticipate this could lead to potentially a nationwide ground stop if it's
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not something fixed soon? >> it's got to be fixed soon because it will certainly lead to -- if it's down for any kind of prolonged period of time, you're going to have to transmit -- to fly you're going to have to transmit that information via flight controllers to pilots and that's going to slow the process up. they have to get this fixed quickly. >> peter goelz, great analysis thank you for shedding light on this. this could have such an effect on what these pilots need to know before they're taking off. >> let's get back to pete muntean with new information for us. >> reporter: we have a new statement from the faa, saying the faa is working to restore the system after an outage. while some systems are coming back online, the national airspace operation systems is limited. it seems the faa is on this,
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they're attacking this, trying to get it fixed. and the first graphic was 1100 delays, we just hit 1230 delays nationwide. so farseeing mostly delays, not necessarily cancellations. airlines trying to stem this off hoping there may be a resolution sometime soon and they can get their airplanes in the air. united airlines holding all of its flights on the ground right now because of this critical outage of the notice to air missions systems. that means pilots cannot get information they need before they take off. american airlines tells us it's delaying some of its flights. so we will see as this outage still lingers and the faa tries to fix this problem, we know that a lynch pin in the system, it failing can have a big
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widespread effect on aviation nationwide. so far there has not been a ground stop issued by the faa for flights nationwide. so people can -- pilots can still get some of this information it seems, and some flights are still taking off, but out of an abundance of caution some of the airlines are delaying and canceling flights. this is the information that pilots need they can take off, things like whether or not a runway is in use. peter goelz mentioned whether or not a localizer is out, you need that in bad weather so pilots can essentially fly blind. if that system is out, pilots cannot get the up-to-date information they need to make sure that they have that critical knowledge. so this is a really big outage here. that cannot be understated. and the fact this is still getting worked on by the faa and they're still putting out updates is a good thing.
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but we do not have an official estimate yet on when this will be over. >> stand by, pete. poppy has a question here. >> can we pull up the pictures, that was reagan national, the sun is coming up and flights are trying to land. coming in from the west coast and you were talking about runways, what does this mean for flights in the air trying to land right now? >> reporter: flights in the air, presumably already have some of this information. that's terminal two at reagan national airport. can you see the control tower there. it seems flights are taxiing, although i've not seen any takeoffs or landings yet. i've been not been able to look at flight aware. it's a huge hub for american airlines so american says it's delaying flights, presumably a lot of upset people there waiting to get on plans or they're on planes and the plane has not pushed back from the gate yet. >> going to newark perhaps, which is a united hub.
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>> just trying to land their plane. >> they said they knew about it since 3:00 so they can monitor them p the fewer flights in the air they have a better chance to monitor what's there. pete i want you to stand by because i want to bring in john miller. john, what happens now? >> right now a couple of things going on in parallel. at the faa their technical people are going behind the computer screens to see what went wrong here, how do we mitigate this, but two simult simultaneously, they just start, you have the department of homeland security, the critical infrastructure protection people, who are starting to work right now and the fbi in their cyber division to say what's going on in the system and is it something coming from the outside? that comes in three brands. there could be hackers who are looking for money, this is the
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ransomware category. there could be foreign governments testing their capability to infiltrate a system. and may back out knowing they have the capability and there's the regular technical failure about did some thing get into the system because of an update or things we've seen in other large compromises. now, to be clear, we're very early in this game and there's absolutely no indication of anything criminal or internationally driven by a foreign power in here and yet those are the wheels turning already because it's the kind of thing they have to assess immediately from the beginning. >> john, thank you. pete is standing by. kaitlan you're in d.c. obviously the secretary of transportation has to be all over this, is he weighing in? >> you just showed reagan national. we're told pete buttigieg has been in touch with the faa over
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the matter, saying he was in touch with them about the outage of the key system. pete buttigieg said the faa is working to resolve this outage swiftly and safely and they will continue to provide updates. it shows as this is happening, pete said it was something they were monitoring overnight and also the transportation secretary is in touch with the faa trying to get this resolved so the flights can get back to normal. >> john, the information from the faa says some functions are beginning to come back online but the agency knows it's going to take time to resolve. no indication of what you mentioned earlier about the possibilities of a hacked system, so to speak. the fact that some systems are coming back online right now, does that indicate anything to you? >> i don't think that tells us anything except testimony cavalry has come from their i.t. people and they're trying to fix
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what's causing the system to crash. at the same time they're diagnosing it. at the same time they're looking for iocs, indications of compromise. and these are known signs that come on lists that literally come out every day saying watch out for this indicator or that indicator because something may be in the system. all of that has to go on at the same time. and when you see a failure that is this cascading, and then this national, it's one of those things you really have to go into it saying let's figure out what it looks like and then let's look behind that and make sure that's what it is. >> stand by i want to get to ana navarro. thanks for joining us. i understand that you are stuck on a plane at miami international. you just got news via the overhead there. this is your really weekly if not daily commute between miami and new york. what's going on? >> i think most people here don't know what's going on. we're getting very little
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information as passengers. most of us are stumbling to the gate at 6:00 a.m., 7:00 a.m. flights. and frankly i think it's a good thing that's early in the morning because most passengers in miami aren't energetic enough to be pissed off yet. everyone is sleepily and lethat are g-- lethargic waiting for more news. they said the flights are delayed, something to do with faa, and everything else i'm learning is listening to you. >> are you on the plane or in the airport? >> no, at the gate. >> you're at the gate. >> this is interesting. ana, stand by for us. pete muntean if you're still with us. apparently no flights are delayed into the u.s. from europe. so amsterdam, frankfurt, paris,
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all operating normally. the amsterdam airport said a work around has been issued, can they do that here? >> reporter: that's the question. that's what we would wait to see if the faa can figure out another way to make this so pilots can get the information they need. the notice to air missions is something you need to check every time before you fly. i fly, i fly a small general aviation airplane, you can pull it up on your phone, we have apps we have to check to make sure you get these, you can call on the phone, get it over the phone through something called flight service. this is not something that all pilots do all the time. but airlines must do this. it is in their standard operating procedures. it's also in the regulations for air carriers to be able to check this information and so we're seeing that some airlines are still operating. that's the question here. we're not able to ascertain why. we're checking and making rounds to see which airlines are flying
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and not. two doing this out of an abundance of caution, united. it seems europe operates on a different system when it comes to notams. but the question is whether they're able to get full visibility, see it before they land here in the united states. there are a lot of big questions, a little chaotic at the moment. so far we know the delays are piling up here in the u.s. and seeing it go up by the moment. it was 1,230 just a few moments ago. before that 1,100 about an hour ago it was 400. so we will see if there's a nationwide ground stop put into place here as well. and that's the other big question. >> we are also, an update says that some functions are beginning to come back online but the agency doesn't know when it's going to be resolved.
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we're seeing some planes -- >> i just messaged dellta to as. >> we saw atlanta which is the delta hub. >> that's right. >> the busiest in the country. >> still don't know. again if you're just tuning in. we're seeing flight delays from a faa system outage across the country. we have pete mountean and john miller with us. this breaking news just happening and ana navarro, our contributor, stuck in an airport -- >> stuck but happy as she is. >> she said it's too early to get riled up. i won't use the language she used. now what, john, in this situation? monitor the situation and figure out what caused it. >> right. you're doing both of those at the same time, don. first of all, the faa's job is to get the system up and running
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again up to its normal speed. that sometimes can require shutting doin the system. it's what we do at home, rebooting, and then looking for where the problem is. the problem is that's a challenge when you have planes in the air and planes that are supposed to be getting in the air. and in the background you have that investigation going on forensically to say what have we seen the system act like in the past 24 hours, does that fit in with indications of compromise or things we've seen out there attacking other systems and so on. >> we're monitoring reagan. appears to be just went out of a frame, a plane taxiing, it looks like it was taking off, not coming in. we'll continue to monitor the situation. an outage with the system, faa flight tracking system that pilots need in order to operate. it's causing major disruptions all over the united states, we're on top of the breaking news. we're going to take a quick break, get new information, gather information and come back
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we're back on "cnn this morning" with our breaking news. that breaking news is the faa exexp experiencing a system outage at this hour, a critical time of the morning when people start to travel, do their business travel, travel all over the country. live pictures now, looking at reagan international airport, this is atlanta hartsfield we saw some movement at some airports, the faa saying they have delays all over the country. not saying a complete stoppage. united airlines said the outage has delayed all domestic flights and they're going to issue an update soon, the faa expected to issue an update soon. the issue is one t-- a system that pilots used for
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notifications are out. >> be patient on the tarmac. we'll get you more information when we can. we want to go to california. this morning more than 6 million people in california are under flood alerts and the wave of punishing weather over the last few weeks has left 17 people dead. camilla burnal joins us from santa cruz. you're on what looks like -- i see a double yellow, it looks like a road or highway but looks like a like. >> reporter: good morning. streets and homes are still flooded here in this county. i want to show you how the county is assessing the damage. they're going through the homes and putting these yellow papers and that means there is significant damage to many of these homes. they say at least 131 have been
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marked this way. but thiney're expecting those numbers to go up as they assess the damage. california needs water. but not like this. creeks turning into raging rivers. mudslides barrelling through neighborhoods. and sink holes swallowing cars. >> they just dropped water down through our rivers and creeks so it's an excessive amount of floodsing. >> reporter: blast of blast of rain and wind gusts exceeding 70 miles per hour on california's central coast. >> we're soaked. this place is soaked. >> reporter: the water tormenting people across the state. >> it was a lot of excitement, fear, anxiety, stress. >> reporter: santa cruz county tuesday, was in cleanup mode after the most recent storm.
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>> it's brown water everywhere and rushing through. it was going fast. we had a canoe strapped up we thought if we needed to we could canoe out but it was moving too fast. >> reporter: rachel has lived here for 20 years. her neighborhood and home now covered in mud. >> it's back breaking labor and a lot of us that live here in the neighborhood are elderly and can't physically do the cleanup. with the way that the finances are, with the economy -- >> reporter: at least 17 people have died across california as a result of the storms. tens of thousands remain under evacuation orders. the onslaught of the slow called atmospheric rivers clearly visible from space. >> it's the cycles over and over again wearing on the community. we're probably a little over halfway done at this point so not out of the woods yet.
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another week or so to go. >> reporter: dozens rescued in santa cruz earlier this week and a similar story played out across much of the state. in los angeles, union station flooded. and to the north, in santa barbara county, crews responding to more than 200 incident calls. and it's not over. forecasters say four more storms are expected to strike california over the next ten days. >> you know, more rain, more flood, more mud, more cleanup. it's frustrating. i don't know whether to laugh or cry. and these residents told me two things this is the worst they've seen in many years and it's extremely difficult to do this back-to-back-to-back. as you can see, it's raining right now, so more is on the way. this is a neighborhood that yes, it floods sometimes but the
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neighbors say itrecedes. the water is out here and dangerous for the many people that live in this area c area. >> thank you very much i want to get back to our breaking news, a major update in the last minute from the faa. they're ordering all airlines, all domestic u.s. airlines to pause departures until 9:00 a.m. eastern time. the faa working to fully restore the notice to air mission system following the outage. the faa noticed airlines to pause all departures to 9:00 a.m. eastern time to allow the agency to validate the and we a -- the integrity of flight information. >> peter goelz is cnn's aviation manager and former director of the ntsb. you heard the news that poppy just read. faa announcing it's ordering all
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departures onhold to validate the integrity of flight safety information. what say you? >> it's extraordinary. it underscores what some of the others have mentioned this morning. the fragility of the system. if this goes down, the whole system comes to a halt and it cascades throughout the day. pilots have to have this information. they need to know whether the approach patterns that they're using are fully functional. they need to know what's going on at individual airports whether taxi ways are closed, runways are closed. this is essential flight information that every pilot has to receive and check before they go on a mission and fly passengers. this is a pretty big deal. >> a huge deal. i want to be clear for our viewers, pete, domestic departures.
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with your experience, would this impact landings at all? of course it does because sometimes the notifications are directed towards the approach patterns. every airport has multiple approach patterns from the north and the south and on occasion, some of these approach patterns have more precise landing navigational equipment. if some of that equipment is not functioning or is off line for maintenance, pilots need to know that so they're not coming -- using those approaches during heavy weather. so it really is essential information. >> forgive me for interrupting, peter. but you have to get these planes down at some point. you have a lot of red eyes that would be coming from the west coast to the east coast. we know europe has not closed down their major takeoffs and
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many of those flights are coming to the u.s. so what do you do? >> well, planes in the air are going to have to be in close communications with their air traffic controllers. it's going to put -- you know, the air traffic controllers are going to be asked to take on, you know, a greater informational role. they're going to have to pass on the information about outages and special conditions at the airports that they're controlling to the pilots. they need to reiterate if there are any outages directly to the flight crews as they're coming in p. >> but peter. >> or the planes will have to be diverted to airports where visual flight rules are in effect. >> so the question is, though, is there some sort of drill? there has to be protocol for this in case something like this happens this is what we do. it's not like planes are willy nilly flying about without being
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able to communicate with each other. there's a system in place, one would hope, in case the system went out, the thing that guides a pilot, a normal system, they'd be able to get the planes in the sky to land them safely. >> of course. as i say, it puts greater respo responsibility on the air traffic controllers, on the flight crews to communicate with the air traffic controllers. but there are systems in place, no one is going to be left circling. >> yeah. okay, peter stand by. again, the breaking news, departures until the faa is pausing all u.s. departures until 9:00 a.m. because of this system outage. >> a huge deal. >> a big deal. this is why we stopped reporting everything else. but you know, you cover business and so does christine romans. let's bring her in now. you mentioned, poppy, you said that this is business travel, the people usually start now
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with business travel. what does it mean? >> it's a tough time for this to be happening. for the problems we had, a remember over the holidays, southwest airlines that was a bad time for them as well trying to resolve the problems with baggage and get people reunited with the baggage, the high margin part of the travel is the business travel. this is an important part for airlines' bottom lines. think of the lost productivity of people waiting at an airport waiting to figure out if they're remaking their connection. it comes at a tough time overall for an airline industry trying to come on the of the covid era and grapple with huge demand for travel and leisure and business travel. >> do we have an update now? >> how many? do we know? >> over 1,200 for now. >> but if they're delaying them all, it's more. >> romans i was thinking of the new law that came into effect a few years ago that passengers
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can get a lot of money back from the airlineses if they sit on the tarmac for three our six hours. >> this is something that was a problem with the faa. this doesn't seem to be an airline problem this is a problem system wide. but you're right, this was modelled after generous laws in europe. if you, at the fault of an airline are sitting on the tarmac or the airport for a couple hours in europe, you get big money back and that was something that travel advocates, consumer advocates in the u.s. wanted to model because so many people were spending so much time, felt like they were at the whim of airlines. >> this not the airlines' fault. >> doesn't appear to be. >> the breaking news here on cnn, the faa has a system outage, holding all departing flights until at least 9:00 a.m.
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we know there are 1200, probably more flighting that have been delayed and stopped from taking off here in the united states. also, united airlines is saying obviously they have stopped all flights because everything stopped, the transportation secretary pete buttigieg, tweeting i have been in touch with the faa about an outage affecting a key system providing safety information to pilots. so everyone is on top of that. kaitlan collins is in washington d.c. this morning monitoring this and other news. >> something they are monitoring here, pete buttigieg is in touch with the faa. reaching out to lawmakers as well dealing with travel issues. so we will stay on top of that. also this morning, president biden has just returned to washington from mexico city. he is now commenting for the first time on the classified documents that were found in his office, his private office.
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these are from his time as vice president and they've been taken there after he left the white house during that time. there were questions of course about what exactly those documents were. president biden said he himself doesn't know. >> people know i take classified documents and classified information seriously. i was briefed about this discovery and surprised to learn that there were any government records that were taken there to that office. but i don't know what's in the documents. i've -- my lawyers have not suggested i ask what documents they were. i've turned over the boxes, they've turned over the boxes to the archives and we're cooperating fully with the review and -- which i hope will be finished soon. >> the white house is it drawing a sharp distinction between this and former president trump and house speaker kevin mccarthy weighing in on it last night.
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>> the hypocrisy. this was discovered before the last election. why weren't they raided? why didn't they have the fbi coming in. why didn't he say i understand because i bet i have the same problem. they think the law doesn't apply to them. they think they write their own. that's what infuriates the american public. america believes in fairness and honesty. that's not what we're getting from them. >> cnn's arlette saenz is live at the white house. obviously the white house is saying this is nothing like what happened with trump. republicans are drawing the comparison. what is the latest in the investigation into these documents taken? >> reporter: the white house has been quite limited in the information they have been able to share. saying that they are awaiting this review from the department of justice department. but you heard president biden trying to lay out the facts of what exactly he knew, saying he doesn't know what's in the documents, he was surprised to hear the government records were
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on hand here. but bottom line what the president and his team are trying to make clear is make this implicit contrast that the way he's handling these documents is different from the way former president donald trump has handled the documents. the white house insisting they are following the protocols, notified the archives as soon as they learn of this and making the distinction of what's going on in this case and what happened with former president trump in mar-a-lago. >> thank you for that update. joining us now here on capitol hill as we are still monitoring what's happening with the faa is mikie sherrill of new jersey. thank you for being here this morning. i think one big question that obviously lawmakers are facing here is, what's your concern when it comes to these documents that president biden is now weighing in on? >> certainly.
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any time you see classified documents not being handled correctly. it's a huge concern. especially for someone like myself with a background in national security and i think we need to take a strong look at some of the protocols about how these documents are being tracked. and how it wasn't realized for so long that these documents were not being -- you know, were not in the places they should have been under secure location. that said, i do have to agree that this seems to have been handled completely differently than the hording of documents, the refusal by president trump and his team to allow investigators in to turn over those documents immediately, to have a discussion about where documents might be. so it does seem like an unfortunate breach has occurred, which we need to look into. however it does also seem that this was something that president biden and his team worked hard to remedy right away. >> does this concern you this happened the day before the
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midterm elections, that's when the documents were found and we're just now finding out about it? >> it does. i have to look to when they were discovered and why we're just finding out now, that does concern me, this has to be a transparent process to ensure we're handling the classified secrets of this country carefully. but i do sense that everything that he suspects might be classified has been turned over immediately, that they're working closely to make sure they're following now the rults and protocols -- rules and protocols which stands in stark contrast to everything we've seen from trump which seemed to be hording documents purposefully and as he was being asked about that, refusing to turn those over, make sure those documents were secured. >> he fought the federal government for over a year trying to get those back. you're here on capitol hill. democrats are in the minority now. there are new committees created
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after republicans are following through on their promises to conduct investigations. one is into the weaponization of the federal government, as republicans are framing it. do you view that committee as legitimate? >> no. this seems to be a concerted attempt as we look at the new rules, the gutting of the ethics committee. the rules that will result on the ethics board all but one democrat being let go. the now attempt to investigate the investigators, if you will, to go after places like the fbi who are trying to get to the bottom, as we speak, of january 6th for example, something that i think my republican colleagues just want to sweep under the rug. this seems to be a broader and more large scale effort to not allow any investigation into anything that's going on in this republican house. >> some of your colleagues have said what they're doing is essentially gutting the congressional ethics
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investigation that looks into those members when they're reco recommended. is that a concern you have as well? >> certainly. this is ironic to me, and i think this is something that the american people have seen for far too long. this idea that they're going to supposedly drain the swap. but at the same time, they're saying that what they're doing is quite another thing. they're gutting the ethics committee. trying to hold themselves above the law, and that's something we'll see more of and it seems to be a larger scale effort. >> there are avenues for bipartisan. you are a member that voted in favor of those republican efforts to create this new committee on china. why did i support that? >> i any being a member of the house armed services committee and a veteran, we have seen espionage, for example, from the chinese. attempts to take the progress, research, development of the united states and use it for the benefit of china to steal those
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secrets. in fact, i've heard from other members of congress that, you know, in their state when certain chinese nationals were questioned, there were barrels of documents burned as they were questioned about what secrets they might hold as they were leaving. so this is something that we have known about for years. and we really have to get to the bottom of it. we have to understand, we are facing a very new global economic system. we've sort of realized that the just-in-time supply chain we were all relying on because of the free flow of goods across the world is really a sort of nonresilient weakened and fragile system, especially right now in the wake of covid. so it's incumbent upon us to understand how we make sure we're competitive with the
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chinese as we go into this new economy. >> thank you for being here. i know there's a lot of breaking news on the faa here in california we're monitoring that as well. >> we'll check back with you. but yes, we are monitoring what's happening now. the faa announcing all domestic departures are on hold until 9:00 a.m. that's why you see the planes sitting there on the runways. we're checking on it to figure out exactly what's happening. but as of now we're told there are about 1,200, and probably counting, flights. look at that. that's california. l.a.x. just sitting there. breaking news on the other side of this break. intense about hydration. neutrogena® hydro boost lightweight. clininically proven. 48-hour hydration. for that healthy s skin glow. neutrogena®. for people with h skin.
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here's a breaking news this morning. welcome back to "cnn this morning." you're looking at live pictures now, newark liberty international airport, the live pictures are up because the faa has announced it is ordering all domestic departures on hold until 9:00 a.m. they say they want to, quote, validate the integrity of the flight and safety information, that is because a system that guides
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pilots and air traffic control, it is down. and it has been down. so they're trying to figure out exactly what is going on. the transportation secretary, pete buttigieg monitoring, also the white house as well. kaitlan collins is in washington d.c. with information on that. what is the president saying, if anything? what is happening? >> he actually is set to leaf the white house in a few moments we'll see if he comments on this t . he has been in contact with pete buttigieg, who's been in contact with the faa about this. the press secretary said right now there's no evidence of any cyber attack at this point. they say biden has conducted d.o.t. to conduct a full investigation into the causes and the faa will provide updates to the white house. i do want to bring back in the congresswoman we were speaking with, she is a former navy pilot, show knows how critical the notices are to pilots as
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they are flying and navigating on the ground. for people who aren't familiar they're wondering why their planes are not taking off, why they're grounded, explain how critical these are to the flights. >> they used to be called notice to airmen and now notice to air missions. so incredibly important. every pilot, as they're doing flight planning review the notams. these are things happening at the airport that happened too recently to get out the word by other mean. they're near term abnormalities at airports. say in california, one of the taxi ways was flooded out by recent weather. so they alert pilots that taxi way is down. so you do not want to fly into airport or area where you haven't reviewed the notams. you don't know what the status on the ground is. >> you don't know what's
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happening on the ground. >> exactly. everyone in the air now, who will be landing, is safe. that airport will ensure that the pilots know how they're landing, where they're landing. however you would never take off as a pilot without reviewing the no notams. >> poppy was asking about pilots in the air. the system is down and you're trying to land. >> your air traffic controller will know his or her airport and will be relaying to you on an individual basis as a pilot, this taxi way is down, we'll route you through here. or we're going to have you land here or be aware there's construction going on in this area. so everyone should feel safe and confident. but as you can imagine, with the aviation system of the united states of america and all of the
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various planes and some of the smaller airports that don't have as -- you know, don't have the air traffic controller system right there to tell you what's going on you need the system of notams but everyone in the air will be safely landed at our airports. >> thank you for staying with us a few more moments. one last question, the faa is run by an acting administraer. does it concern you at a time like this when something significant is going on there's no one permanent leading the faa? >> i'm sure the acting person is going to do a great job. i think it speaks to a broader effort by members of congress to try to get the business done of the people in regular order. to try to get the nominations done and not pliz politicize the
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nomination of federal servants that we need on a regular basis not acting basis. >> thank you for sharing a few more minutes with us. a former navy pilot so you have knowledge of the issue. >> my pleasure. >> we're going to get to a person sitting by waiting to board a flight. the faa announcing 9:00 a.m. nothing is taking off here in the united states. that system that you heard the congresswoman speak of, notice to air mission system. basically a system that keeps everything coordinated in the sky, so there are no accidents and everyone is safe in the country. we were looking at, as we were talking about it, we were talking about what happens to planes in the sky. we did see something coming in at an airport. i'm not sure if it was reagan or where -- >> that was vegas. >> that is d.c. speaking of d.c. >> david urban.
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david, you're stuck my friend. i'm sorry. but we're sitting here at the desk, you know, telling you what we're hearing, but you're there living it. >> the only form of communication is cell phone and david texted me, don, is it two, two and a half hours you said? are you on a plane or in the airport? >> i was watching you guys this morning, i was at a hotel in downtown d.c. and -- knowing this was happening, i checked flight aware because i saw the news and everything was clear, i said i'm going to head to the airport. i pulled up to national. i saw no planes on the ramps, none on the runway. as soon as i got into the security line i got a notice from american saying two hour delay. i looked at the departure board, five televisions, most are red with flight cancellations or delays. probably each -- so 95% of the flights are canceled or delayed on the boards and people are
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showing up with an air of resignation that this is the new normal in american air travel that even on a good day your flights are delayed and inexplicably postponed. i never experienced something like this, looking on the ramp and every gate is full. planes are all just sitting there, nothing happening. >> can you take pictures of that, first of all -- >> sure. >> pictures of the televisions you were talking to us about. what's the temperament of the folks there? >> resignation. kind of you know, shrug and like this is the new normal. it's -- i heard ana say it's too early to be too frustrated. i think people are showing up for 6:00, 7:00, 8:00 a.m. flights. i was standing at the board watching people come up and shake their head and say, are you kidding me. a lot of people hadn't tuned in or were finding out for the first time when they get here
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and it's quite disappointing if you're planning on going anysome place, making a connection today. looks like it's not going to happen. looks like a long long day. >> not the airlines' fault this one. this is a big system and they need to work quickly to get it fixed. >> david stand by. not that you have a choice. >> i'll be here until 10:30. >> send us any information you get. we want people to see what's happening inside the airports. that's david urban, a political contributor. around the country there's an outage of the system, the notice to air missions system, which keeps everything coordinated in the skies and on the grounds. that is out. faa ordering all departures to
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>> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. good morning, everyone. thank you for joining us on "cnn this morning." we are monitoring the major breaking news from here in new york and also washington d.c. this morning you're looking at these live pictures now out of airports across the country, atlanta, all over the u.s., as major -- another major air travel disruption is happening across the usa. technical outage forcing the faa to ground all domestic departures until 9:00 a.m. this scene is out of las vegas, nevada
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