investigation in president biden's handling of classified documents. the attorney general, merrick garland, now naming robert kerr, a trump appointee as special counsel in the case. which means there are now two presidents and potentially to 2024 presidential candidates, both being investigated by a special counsel. i want to bring in former fbi deputy director, andrew mccabe, and former nixon white house counsel, john dean. i want to start with you here for a moment, andrew, you've got two presidents under investigation. and now by special counsel, both about the mishandling of classified documents. there is a fork in the road for what each of their behavior seems to go in different directions. but very significant nonetheless, to have these investigations. >> absolutely. absolutely. significant. you know, that's what this moment calls for. it calls for the justice department to handle at least

at the inception each of these investigations in the same way. by bringing in a special counsel to review the biden side of this document saga, i think the attorney general has done exactly that. he needs to now resource it in the same way that he has the other special counsel, he needs to step away from it. not subjected to the sort of day-to-day oversight that you have given maybe two u.s. attorney. that seems to be the way he's treating jack smith. i have no doubt he'll do those things. but from this point forward, laura, these cases will go, i suspect, in very different directions. they will follow the facts in the law, and so far, from what we've seen, the facts of these two situations are very different. >> john, i'm really interested, based on your prior role in particular, about the idea of why it is biden was tightlipped about the investigations. obviously, from the doj perspective, there is a level of gravitas that must be

assigned, and you don't really want transparency on every single thing. but from the white house counsel's perspective, and again, you're talking about the office of the presidency, the credibility of the institution and beyond, do you have a sense as to what impact the white house counsel may be having on biden's decisions and what to say and what to not say at this time? >> laura, i have the impression he has a private lawyer who is advising him, in the white house counsel is only indirectly involved in the larger issues like contacting the national archives. contacting the department of justice. but he actually has private counsel, this hasn't been clarified at this point, he has a relatively second white house counsel, whose responsibility is not the president's well-being and personal representation, it's the office of the presidency. the white house counsel represents today. that's been clarified post-watergate. and it's a very good

clarification. so, the white house counsel should not be advising the president on what to do and not to do, i think they have suggested that the less said during the recipient investigation, the better off. and that seems to be the advice he's following. >> let me ask you, do you think, john, without the mishandling of classified documents situation will call it, for donald trump, would there be this focus on a special counsel for joe biden? or are the two so intertwined in the political optics? >> absolutely not. this is all provoked by trump's behavior. who they tried to work informally with. to get him to return documents, when they noticed conspicuous missing classified material. so, this is a direct result of donald trump's behavior, he saying, well, why aren't all the former president being investigated. well, former presidents don't

take off a truckload of documents as he has. this is just a few documents. these things happen with some frequency, actually. and it's rare, unless there's some aggravating situation, where the documents and materials secret material the national security material has been misused and aggravate the situation, high officials make these mistakes. sometimes, to write a book. sometimes because there are narrowed with these documents. anyway, they typically give them back very quickly. but it's donald trump's behavior, and not returning this material, that is provoked joe biden's situation. >> i am curious, as everyone is of course, andrew, and what is contained in all of these documents. i still have that curiosity for the documents at mar-a-lago. and beyond. and as we're waiting for that, the political optics really are coming into much clearer focus then what is actually the contents of these documents. in terms of how this plays out,

two separate special councils, focusing on a similar nucleus of facts, even though you do have the behavior of those who have mishandled different. is there coordination of any kind between the investigators or are these going to be totally siloed, because there are two separate special councils, and there's got to be no connective tissue? >> i think you have to handle them that way. i think both of these men are both independent, they're both capable of running their own shops here. i would suspect that they will endeavor to do that without having any connection or exchange of information between them. other than maybe getting together something and complaining about having the two worst jobs in d.c.. i think they would be well advised to pursue their own cases, independent of, not just the justice department and the white house, but each other. if all of those facts, and

follow those facts to the law and an independent way. in that way, laura, you could get two very different decisions on these cases. that would, should stand up to political scrutiny. i know that's ridiculously optimistic. >> i like the glass half full, andrew mccabe. this is a good look. i don't know if it will stand the test of time, i'm there with the right now. and here with me in the studio, thank you gentlemen, our cnn chief white house correspondent phil mattingly, also white house reporter for the washington post, -- and political analyst, laura beroun lopez. glad to have you all here, i'll begin with you, laura, because i love the name laura. what is this going to mean for 2024? i mean, obviously, in washington and everywhere else, they are even done with the first election before thinking about maybe two ahead. you have one president, or former president, having a special counsel. you've got one who intends, he says, to run again. but this could be problematic. >> 2024 is so far away, we say

that a month is an eternity in politics? i think that, right now, we saw the reaction to former president trump's mar-a-lago raid. the base really rallied around him. i think that in president biden's case, i'd be surprised if this right now with the fact that we have pushes democrats far away from him. right now, we're seeing democrats in congress, they have faith in him, they believe that he's handled the situation well so far. of course, they don't like the fact that it gives republicans something to hit the president with. and we saw that house speaker, kevin mccarthy, saying that the house will investigate it. although, i thought it was interesting that he said he didn't think there needed to be a special counsel. today, that was prior to the decision to the announcement being made. again, you know, the white house is trying to say, very clearly, that this was a mistake they use that word today. the special counsel, richard -- said that. if the facts bear out, it very well could be a pretty fast

investigation by this new special counsel. >> they're a lot of minefields to navigate here, politically. because, well, hypocrisy abounds. so, got to be careful about what you condemn, because then you may have to essentially dismiss in the next day in some respects. what are these minefields in democrat and republicans? >> yeah, it just gets really, really -- in politics you want to make your opponent look as bad as possible. in the make yourself look as wholly as possible. it gets really hard for democrats to condemn trump for doing the same thing, more or less, that biden is doing. it's really hard for republicans to do the same thing. the other aspect of it, is that biden's brand has been built on transparency, it's been built on leveling of the american people. he says ad nauseam, we've heard so many times, and it gets really hard for democrats to make this argument that we fully left behind the chaos of trump, and the disrespect for american traditions, and

intelligence committee, all of that stuff. if you have republicans able to say, well, what about what biden has done? it just makes it really difficult to do that sort of rhetorical jiu-jitsu. that helps you to win elections. that helps you make that case to the voters. >> until that moment, that phrase he used to say a lot, i give my word as a biden. i give my word as a biden. he kept talking about that. again, there is distinction. the electorate may or may not either understand the nuance or just ignore the nuance. because we are in a self serving political atmosphere in many respects. i have to understand, do you have a sense as to why this has become a pr self-inflicted wound? why not be as fully transparent as possible, or even give more information about this new document? >> lawyers are the worst. i don't know if you know any. >> some lawyers are the best. >> so, present company occluded, in the old days --

i personally think that it just, i think that important element here. this is one of the issues i think we're also trying to suss out the exact specifics of what transpired, not over the course of the last four days, keep in mind, on monday morning, none of this existed as far as any of us were aware. that's what makes laura's point, and what this means for 2024 so difficult here. what we had was, at least in my understanding, we had officials who are very cognizant of the fact that they did not want a special counsel. and they want to do anything they possibly could not to exacerbate or potentially put attorney general merrick garland, who has made the independence of that the justice department moving away from what we saw the four years prior, to this administration. so central to his role at the top of the justice department. and in doing so, they appear to have done exactly that. we are justice department officials -- that the fact that their narrative, particularly in the first set of documents when that came out, not talking about the second set, even though they've been aware of them for nearly a month, that actually contributed to the thinking that, maybe we need to move forward on the special

counsel. it wasn't the sole reason. but that actually put them in a bad spot. walked through over the course of the last several days, is a process where their lawyers were telling them, do not say anything, do not exacerbate the situation. particularly until we are done searching everything. we know they did not finished searching everything until last night, they found an additional document. in the process of that then going through those four days, these last four days, they did put themselves in a worse position. and that's what i make -- this is only going to make more complicated, more difficult with more lawyer saying, do not say anything at all. how they manage that, how they navigate that going forward, is going to go a very long way to what we're talking about. how the public perceives what happened here, and as you know, it's a very different case. then what the trump team has been going through. >> the thing is, on this point, biden is not the first president, even in modern american history, even his immediate predecessor, special counsel seem to be a big part now of our american presidency. just look at this full screen. all the different president who

haven't got contender deal with in some respect special or independent counsels. very different types of cases all around, but we're on page two of the full screen by the way. to give you an idea, you can't get on one screen. this is not uncharted territory for a president, but it's one that biden hoped to avoid. >> he did. to me though, i think the cases are very different. and at the beginning, they looked exactly the same because it's mishandling of classified documents. there's always typically should be a damage assessment in both cases, we aren't sure yet of the damage assessment is underway. in president biden's case or not, but there likely will be one because of the fact that anytime classified documents or mishandled, or found in a place where they're not supposed to be found, a damage assessment is conducted. now, when we get beyond that about the potential for calmer criminal charges, trump's case is totally different. i think it's really important for the public to understand, because of the fact that trump, even when he was still in office, there was a concern that he was going to take

classified documents, the archives were then alerted, the washington post reported that. in may of 2021, the archives told trump, hey, you have a lot of documents that you need to return. and for eight months, his team and he did not turn them over. then they turned over 15 boxes. then, the archive said, no, there are still more. so for more than a year, about a year and 3 to 4 months, trump and his lawyers and his team refused to return all of the classified documents that they had, and that is why the fbi ultimately had to go search it. it's a very different set of events that happened. and that's why trump is potentially facing violations of espionage act, as well as obstruction. >> i'm looking at your lawyer's notebook, what are you writing. >> well, to laura's point, i think, yes. the nuances, the minutiae matter to us at 11:00 talking about the stuff. >> you know, energy drink. >> when it trickles down to

voters who don't have the same requisite amount of time, same energy, or when they have just other stuff. what are the facts they're gonna remember a month from now? one of the things? i think one of the perils for biden, the minefield you talked about, is just trump and biden basically did the same thing. i'm always looking at how is this distilled in the minds of voters? i think that's -- >> we hope at the stilling it for them. >> fortunately are watching this wonderful program coffee or not. thank you all so much. there's also, a very sad news out of los angeles tonight. you've been surely have heard already and will continue to cover the death of lisa marie pressley at the age of

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pictures of graceland tonight. our sad news, lisa marie pressley, elvis's daughter, dead at the age of 54. she was hospitalized after suffering an apparent cardiac arrest just today. just two days after appearing at the golden globes. cnn's stephanie elam is covering the story for us, steph, what are you learning about this tragic loss tonight? >> it's just shocking, especially when you know that lisa marie pressley was only 54 years old. and we know that this is the case, because we also heard from the family representatives, in fact let me just go ahead and read that statement to you right now. it says, here, the prince priscilla pressley and the fifth press again we are shocked and devastated by the tragic death of their beloved lisa marie. they are profoundly grateful for the support, love and prayers of everyone, and asked for privacy during this very difficult time. the press family

representative. of course, it's just shocking for everyone digesting this. and also, because she was the only child of elvis presley, elvis and priscilla pressley, until all this just kind of sinking in for people to think that both of them are already gone. way too soon. >> i mean, she is a mother. in 2020, she lost her son, benjamin, who died by suicide at just the age of 27. she does have three other children, three daughters as well. riley, finley and harper. and just the idea that this is happened, even in a week. where her father in the movie that were honoring her father, which she was a full supporter of, she was really invested in the project. believed that the actors portrayal was spot on. and not a character. in fact you are at the golden globes on tuesday, and saw lisa marie pressley. can you tell me about that experience, and what would you like that evening? >> yeah, there's so much that

was going on. it was already emotional when you are looking at a movie by basilar meant about her father. and she wrote about her grief after her son benjamin died by suicide, she actually said in which he wrote, you do not get over it. you do not move on. period. and she said that she kept going because of her three daughters. so, you look at the lineage here of having lost her father, who would have turned 88 years old, this past weekend. and you look at the fact that there is austin butler up onstage at the golden globes. accepting an award for portraying her father, and you can see her in the audience, and she looked emotional, tearing up a little bit. before that, i can tell you, i was on the carpet doing interviews of some of the nominees, i saw her walk by. and i almost missed her. because she looked so different to me. she did not look as healthy as i've seen her in the past, she looked a little sallow, she looked a little curled into herself as she was walking by. that's when we saw her walking

by right there that clip that you see. she was walking a few feet ahead of her mother. during the event, they were sitting next to each other, but she definitely just did not seem as robust as we've seen her before. to the point, we had a little side conversation about it. because it was so shocking. how differently she looked. just to remember that this night was all about the movie elvis, and that her -- she's the sole person in control of elvis's estate. so, she's very hands on with this movie. to just hear more about what she was saying, i want you to take a listen to a bit of a conversation from the red carpet at the golden globes, when she was interviewed by extra, take a listen to a little bit of what she had to say. >> tonight will be a wonderful night for all of us. >> yes, i hope so. >> have you gotten to know austin butler little bit? >> yeah, -- a lot. a lot actually.

i adore him, -- >> when you foresaw him, what did you think? >> in the movie? >> yeah, just saw him, yeah in the role? >> i was mind blown, truly. i had to take like five days to process it. it was so spot on, and authentic. >> what do you think the biggest challenge was, is that the singing or is it the certain characteristic to pull off, a look, a twinkle, something? >> characteristics, mannerisms, the singing. the talking. without doing it in like a character way, like it's been done in the past, you know it's kind of done like in a sort of funny joking way. the way it spoke. but often actually got it and did it perfectly, without making it comical. >> austin butler did think the pressley family in his speech, that's when you can see the tears in her eyes, i'm sure it means so much that she was there. and could hear that, since we lost her so quickly soon after that, laura. >> absolutely.

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opening statements today in the trial of five members of the proud boys, and the defendants, including former chairman enrico theriot, accused of seditious conspiracy over the attack on the capital. both sides giving their opening arguments today. with the prosecution using extensive video and social media evidence to try to make their case. and the defense arguing the attack on the capitol wasn't planned beforehand, it all

comes as a coincidence. it all comes as well after weeks of a contentious fight over jury selection and what evidence can ultimately be used in introduced in this trial. back with me now, andrew mccabe, and john dean. andrew, the defendants in this case, they're facing nine counts, including conspiracy to obstruct and obstructing of official proceeding, of course. it's the conspiracy charges again of sedition, how worried should they be? >> well, i think if they take the oath keepers trial, about a month or so ago, and then as any sort of indicator, i think we should be worried. in many ways, this trial will be similar in style, and that it will come down to essentially a battle of text messages. the government is going to put out a number of text messages or exchanges -- with these alleged coconspirators.

that indicate their intentions, before the event the planning for january 6th. their actions on the sixth. and then their reactions to what actually happened. string those things together and it looks like they accomplished their objectives, which was to stop the vote, stop the counting of electoral votes. and the defense will then turn around and say, no, will show text messages say that people were just having fun, responding to the actions of the crowd, going along with the events that as they occurred and there was no actually agreement or plan to do anything. laura, as you know better than anyone, what the jury sees and how they -- decide this case, that sort of evident is very persuasive. >> certainly can be, depending on what else is gonna come into evidence. john, the defense is essentially saying, as andrews alluded, look, this was not a preplanned event. but they're also re-directing the attention towards the former president and the comments that he made, even trying to connect to those

infamous words in stand back and stand by from the prosecution. do you think that's going to be persuasive, given what we've already seen, obviously, from the january 6th committee. obviously, many people in the district who might be in that jury pool would be familiar, at least with the general premise of that investigatory committee. and the facts at hand. is it persuasive to re-direct the attention to the president, the former president of the united states? >> well, i call that a scapegoat defense. and it's similar to what the oath keepers tried, and it didn't work in that instance. so, i'm not sure it's gonna work here, given the overwhelming evidence that the government has. with these text messages, the video. so, they're really going to base their case on trying to tear down the witnesses the government puts on. and try to use those witnesses for their own defense, if you will. apparently, in the opening statements today, they relied

on some of the same videos that the government relied on. try to get the jury to say, well, maybe there is another way to look at this. so, that's what the effort will be, you know as well as anyone, laura, how juries are juries and they will see what they want to see, and they will reach a judgment as i think it's one of the great institutions of a democracy, to trust what those people see in each case. so, we'll all stay tuned to see if this defense does work. >> i am curious on that point, john, i want you to weigh in to, andrew, the idea what impact do you think this has, knowing that there's already been that successful, at least in part, prosecution of the oath keepers. will it have an impact, you think? in connection with the january 6th committee? >> that certainly educated the government on how to proceed, what was strong, what worked with the jury, they interviewed the jury afterward, i don't know. but it shows that they can make a seditious conspiracy work. it's a difficult standard it's

a tough case to prove. but they had such strong evidence, in fact, there was a seditious conspiracy which they're going to try and show to the jury. >> andrew, real quick? >> totally agree with that. i think when the government can come put on a complicated case like this. and prove it, they take the public's understanding of what happened on that day, and raise it up a level. this is not just a random mob that and trespassed on the capitol. it was an actual attempt to overthrow the results of the election here. it's undeniable when the jury rules that way. it's a significant thing when they do. >> you know, this was a charge that most people had not thought could ever be brought or certainly had not been brought in so many years, as to be insignificant at this point. now, and as many months, we're seeing this charge yet again. thank, you gentlemen. there's a controversial movement now in the ongoing culture wars. the new governor of arkansas, sarah huckabee sanders, banning the use of the term, latinx.

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i want to bring in cnn political commentator, maria cardona, former top aide to mitt romney's presidential campaign, kevin madden, and cnn political analyst, role laura braun lopez is back with us as well. maria, i want to get your reaction here. this term, latinx, is not one that is as prevalent or used or even welcome all the time. correct? >> that is correct. and i actually don't even use it myself, i don't really identify with it. but you know what, if i am talking to a group of young, latinx who will probably have lgbtq in that group, they do identify with the term latinx. and i will absolutely use the term latinx, because i don't want to make anyone feel unwanted or rejected. and spanish is a term that is gendered, in latino and latina are gendered terms. i understand why young people in the latino community that are lgbtq want to use it, and i am all for that.

how dare she make this distinction, with the excuse that she's going to ban it, because it's insensitive. i mean, it was so insulting, but if it wasn't so insulting, it would be laughable. this is coming from the person who worked for donald trump, who did everything in his power and his administration's power to bring tragedy and pain to the latino community. i'm sorry, i'm good he's, to the latinx community. >> kevin, why do you think this was on top of mind on the list of executive orders? >> i don't think it's top of mind, as you said, it's one of eight, -- >> within hours of her. >> look, i think politicians are political animals. she is representing what she feels is the feedback that she got from a number of people in the community. now, i think the politics of this are probably helpful for her. for many people who look at this debate, i think i know a lot of people feel very strongly about it, a lot of people think that this is

common sense. that you've been something, he not been a word like this but you move away from the use of this. because some people actually feel it's not appropriate to use. and that's feedback she got from a lot of those people in hispanic community and latina community as well. for this, i think the politics are sort of low hanging fruit. >> you think so, laura? i also wonder about the idea in terms of generationally, because we often think about terms and even president obama formerly speaking about this. a few months ago on a podcast. the idea of changing terms and norms and the idea of people evolving, and not quite keeping pace with enter generational, i don't call it dispute, but thoughts. is this generational? and is she doing something that is attractive to even younger voters? >> i think the use of the term latinx is generational. i think that, you know, throughout my life, i've used

the term hispanic latino interchangeably. and i know there are some older generation latinos in my family that would only use hispanic. when i have been out reporting, i've interacted with younger latinos who like to use the term latinx, because they don't want to have a non gendered term. the gallup poll last year, i thought was really interesting, it found that when you put hispanic, latino, latinx and do you care, does it matter? does it matter got like 50 or 7%. which is that latinos don't really care. the vast majority of them. of course, the rest of the three latinx did get the lowest number. i think, yes, this is sara huckabee sanders trying to play to her base. it's something that republican voters like. we saw all, but in a state that is a swing state, in republican states like georgia, herschel walker was using a lot of anti

lgbtq, anti-trans, saying i'm not gonna use correct pronouns throughout his entire speech and he lost georgia. you saw a lot of other republican candidates in statewide races in swing states, who use very similar language to herschel walker, and they also lost. >> we do as -- you mentioned gallup, there's a pew research study as well that found just 3% of u.s. hispanics use the term latinx, with young hispanic women among the most likely to use it. your point is certainly well taken. kevin, anne-marie on that point, again, i look at this, if the gallup or the pew or representative in some way, you think about this, is this really the culture war that -- or the cultural trigger point that she is hoping to achieve some benefit from? >> again, i agree with kevin. she's doing it for her own base. but i think that what it describes, or what it proves, is that her base, or at least what she's doing, is very xenophobic. it's very anti immigrant.

and i believe, very anti hispanic, even if there are conservative hispanics that don't like the term. i don't think you should go as far as to then alienate a whole other generation of young latinos who are living in your state. why would you do that? arkansas has seen 100 and 62% growth in hispanic community in the last ten years. so, to me, it proves how unserious she is about governing, when you have issues like poverty, education, health care. of which arkansas ranks almost last. and those are issues that absolutely affect the latino community. so she if she really cares about a latino community in her state, she would be focusing on those issues. not on ridiculous things like this. >> one of the executive orders expanded early childhood education. she was focused on education. i see your point, but this is not the only thing she did. she did a lot of things in those executive orders.

i think it's the point you brought up earlier to, the 3%, only 3% actually use it. for most people, this isn't a huge controversy. and this is common sense. that we remove this debate out of the use. >> it makes no sense. >> i think the politics of it work, is that oftentimes, a lot of conservatives will beat democrats or beta left into an overreaction on this. for what most people see seems like a common sense thing. >> again, if you are part of the latinx community. you are going to feel. compelling it. >> it's for >> the larger community, it is not a controversy, when use defense on thing that is common sense and left reacts, or overreact to it -- the politics kind of works for. it >> that is when you believe that as a government governor

you want to have a section of the people who supposedly want to vote for you thinking that you are insensitive and that you want to alienate the whole group of people. it's >> only 3%. >> more power to her. >> i see your point. >> that 3%, that's a lot of people when you have a growing latino community, and by the way most of them are younger than the overall community. this can be a very important issue for them. >> on saturday on the east mall hours of the morning anchorage everyone to read the order because sarah huckabee sanders just illiterate tale of that in terms of describing what she wants to do it. i encourage you to read that follow-up is. well and coming up, developments on russia's most prominent political prisoner. alexei navalny's wife says he is sick and being denied medical care. that story is next. and we know 80% of couples sleep too hot or too colold. introducing the new sleep numbmber climate 360 smart be.

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>> the wife of jailed russian opposition leader alexei navalny says the out spoken putin critic's second being denied medical care. navalny's wife yulia accusing his jailers of not allowing him to lie down during the day and waking him up at six in the morning even with a high temperature. it's been two years since navalny was arrested in moscow. the story of how he ended up there after surviving an alleged murder attempt and tracking down his own would-be assassins is told with urge the urgency in a spy thriller in the cnn film navalny. it's airing saturday. here's a preview. >> when you come to room of comatose patient, you starting to just telling him the news.

telling him his story. alexei, don't worry, there was a murder attempt, putin tried to kill -- . and he opened his blue eyes wide and looked at me and said very clear, we [speaking non-english] come on, poisoned? i don't believe it. this is alexei. putin is supposed to be not so stupid to use -- his word and his expletive, is inclination, if you want to kill, someone just shoot him. jesus christ. just real alexei. impossible to believe it. it's kind of stupid. the whole idea of poisoning with a chemical weapon. this is so smart. even reasonable people refuse to believe. what, come on, poisoned? seriously?

>> the kremlin and russia's security service deny that they played any role in navalny's poisoning. joining us now is the director of the film navalny, daniel roar. daniel, it is good to see you. we are hearing, however, that navalny's wife is painting a very bleak picture of what her husband is enduring and describing some dire conditions. just how serious is navalny's health situation right now? >> extraordinarily serious. most challenging part for us is that we don't know how serious. the russian prison authorities are not allowing navalny to see doctors. we know that he is sick, he has the flu, he's running a fever, and he's not allowed to have medical attention. just yesterday to hundred russian doctors signed an open letter to vladimir putin to allow, to ask for putin to allow navalny to access medical care. but of course that call went unanswered. >> i wonder what it was like, and just looking at this film, just the reaction it is received around the world, it

captures the recovery from the extraordinary period that he is speaking about in the clip that we've shown. what was it like to be with him during that period? it's so telling. >> alexei navalny is one of the most extraordinarily courageous men of our time. he is brave, he is a man of principle who is going to sacrifice everything for the future of this nation, for the dream of a russian democracy. that is why he went back to russia, because he thinks that his country can have an alternate future, one where vladimir putin and his horrible regime are relegated to the dustbin of history and democracy is introduced to the russian federation. that's the dream that navalny has. right now he's in solitary confinement and he is specifically and in solitary confinement because of his anti war activism. navalny and his allies are the largest anti-war voices in russia, and he's being severely punished because of it. >> what do you think the future holds for navalny, especially

at a time like now when the world is watching ukraine and opposition seems to be continuously suppressed? >> navalny's orientation is toward optimism. he is someone who dreams of a bright future, and for millions of russians he is a flicker of light in this very dark context. it is my dream and my hope that he is released from prison, that he survives his ordeal, because i believe his impact on the future of russia's unfulfilled, and one day i want to see novelty on a present presidential ticket, to run for the presidency of russia in a free and fair election. >> michael roher, thank you so much. everybody be sure to julian. navalny air saturday night right here on cnn. thank you all for watching. our coverage continues we helpining them achieve financial freedom.

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>> good evening. breaking news tonight. new details on the first classified documents found a november but only the knowledge on. many more on that shortly. this comes at the end of the day that saw the name in the special counsel to investigate president biden's handling of those under the classified documents found in the profit office of the current president and his home in wilmington, general. where the most recent discovery just this morning at the same residence. that's according to attorney general merrick garland. this afternoon he named robert hur special counsel, and lead out a timeline of the case. >> on the evening of november 4th, 2022, the nationa