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counsel investigation. president biden dodged questions about it today in an oval office photo-op. [ inaudible ] moments ago the white house press secretary repeated that the president will cooperate with special counsel robert hur and failed to explain why the public was not told about the classified documents when they were first discovered in november. >> is it the policy of the white house that that should share that information not just with the national archives but the american people? >> i'll say this. we have been transparent. there's an ongoing process and spoken when it is appropriate. >> we are learning more about the investigation. the justice department interviewed biden's former executive team on the team that packed up the office. one document was a memo from
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vice president to president obama. it's unclear how much of this is still sensitive. let's go to chief white house correspondent phil mattingly and evan perez. phil, the white house press secretary more questions on this today. is there any change in the communication strategy from the white house? >> reporter: no. i don't think the expectation is there's going to be based on what we have seen and to some degree that's a recognition of a new phase one that carries risk with a special counsel. this was a review from a u.s. attorney and the president's personal attorneys doing a search and review. they put this in a different level and set of risk to weigh through this process. that doesn't necessarily help us understand better what happened in the last several months but
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underscores the fact in the last four days receiving two different statements from the white house press office and omitting the elements of the second there's been a recognition that going out while this review is still underway and letting this drip piece by piece by piece was certainly not helpful and to some degree played a role in the decision to put a special counsel in place. at this time when they ramp up for the new reality and put the process in place to deal with the special counsel you are not going to hear more publicly from them and that's the permanent posture to some degree. >> okay. evan, what are the next steps? >> reporter: for bob hur the new
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special counsel to start opening an office, bringing people in to do the investigation and there was an early part doing done by a u.s. attorney in chicago that conducted and his team conducted a number of interviews, not only the president's former expect i have -- executive secretary but want to talk to other people if there's more documents. we have seen a parallel situation with the investigation into former president trump's mishandling of documents and been more combative. the justice department and white house projecting it's more cooperative but the new counsel starts to make demands and asking for things.
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we'll see cooperation happens then. >> phil, we have now learned that the house judiciary committee has now launched an investigation into the documents chaired by jim jordan, promised accountability for the white house. give us an idea of the mood in the west wing as the week now closes out. >> reporter: best way to frame things is how stunned everybody is by how this progressed over the course of four or five days. monday morning when the president woke up the idea of a special counsel in place by the end of the week would be irrational. by monday night over the course of the two or three days there was every view inside the white house that one they were doing everything possible not to end up with a special counsel. documents had been discovered
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merited a special counsel. there's a scramble to put together a team to deal with the reality and a moment of the president meeting with japanese prime minister kishida, two years of work to put them in a difference defense posture. those were critical moments showing some critical progress that the president wanted to talk about, to show and hold up and instead they deal with this and probably not going to change any time soon and a very different moment than in and a few days ago. >> evan, the scope i would imagine of this is different. there's 12 as far as we know documents with president biden. more than 300 with president
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trump. how will the investigations proceed differently? >> it is a different situation. trump investigation is an obstruction investigation. we see from the reporting of katelyn collins today that the former president is fighting with the justice department in court. they want to talk to the people that did additional searches and this is a very litigious process. we know so much about what happened with the trump documents because he went to court and fighting with the justice department and forced us to see the documents going back and forth so this one is definitely a lot different because the biden team has tried to be cooperative. they say they offered -- reached out to the justice department a ten archives with the documents. they have interview add number
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of people involved in this and from the scope of the appointment memo yesterday you can see that this is an investigation into the possible mishandling of classified documents. we'll see whether there's something else that pops up but at this point we are in a far different place than the trump investigation. >> okay. thank you both very much. joining us is david chalian. tom, i want to start with you. what do you see in terms of the difference of scope and the timeline? >> sure. you got to think about in terms of months, not years. the scope of the bob hur investigation is narrow. so i don't think it will take him too long to stand up an
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office, get the team in place and do the dirty work to figure out who saw the documents, whether there's unauthorized access. i anticipate that rob will move quickly and wind up the investigation within a year. >> some messaging from the white house is criticized even by some democrats that they knew that the second batch of documents existed when they acknowledged the first. they said they did everything right but some of these potential errors are own goals they are making the communication decisions. >> yeah. they have acknowledged obviously the legal team has the initial mistake about the documents being in the wrong place in the first place. to the point about the communications, as you guys were discussing with phil, the biggest question hanging over the white house is, you seem to
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want points from the american people that you immediately notified the archives who notified the justice department when the documents were found in november. why didn't you notify the american people? we don't have an answer to that question. we are following a process and no answer from the white house about why they chose not to be transparent with the american people at that time a week before the midterm election. >> as this begins and the biden classified documents, this investigation begins, there's a happening with the investigation into the trump classified documents. they, the trump team, we now know hired two outside people to search four locations with a question as to whether or not they have turned everything over and if they haven't or been sloppy because they had to
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resort to that grand jury subpoena and the search warrant at mar-a-lago so they have now searched mar-a-lago, two places, office and storage, trump tower and bedminster but not the scotland golf course or the hotel in las vegas. sounds like at the beginning, still in the process of trying to figure out if the national archives has everything. >> yes. the biden investigation may wrap up sooner for the reason you said. they are trying to figure out what documents are missing. other locations that need to be searched? doesn't seem to be the case in biden. seems on that front every day is a discovery of documents. there could be more shoes to drop but it does seem like the biden situation is contained and
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discrete than the trump investigation. >> david, the president said he intends to run for re-election. that announcement has not come. how much does this special counsel potentially recalibrate those considerations? >> there's not a source i have spoken to saying this will have an impact on the president's final decision making process about whether or not to seek a second term and all signs of course are pointing that he will do that. that's certainly the expectation. but it clearly could indeed enter into the calculus around times. you don't want to announce the same day you may be scheduled to testify before the special counsel if that comes to be so it may indeed play into somesome timing considerations. >> david, it is interesting to see how the tables turned on
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both sides. rarely do we see something with this much whiplash this quickly. republicans now very -- a lot of hand wringing about the biden documents when they were often silent after the trump documents and similarly democrats saying we need to take a deep breath and not jump to conclusions. this is from the republicans' change of face. >> what i seen that the national archives concerned about trump in the possession didn't go to a hill of beans. >> will that be a priority? >> not a priority. >> this is the second location that the president in possession of classified documents. what's the vice president doing with classified documents? this is so outrageous that this
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has to rise to the level of not a clerical error. i have been in the oval office with the president. i would be very surprised if he has documents that rise to the threat. this is outrageous. mishandling of classified information. did he get them as vice president? >> will you hold hearings? >> it is possible to hold hearings. >> i feel in the interest of balance we should show some of that on the democrats' side. let me see if we have that. >> the fact in an unsecure place, that is guarded with nothing more than a padlock orr whatever security at a hotel is deeply alarming. >> the documents are somewhere they shouldn't be but no
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evidence of obstruction of justice as in the case of donald trump and mar-a-lago. >> this is likely criminal what happened at mar-a-lago and you have to wonder why was he hiding the documents when requested and with someone who you cannot trust like donald trump what else is there? i think the president is concerned. that is obviously unintentional and outside of the requirements of our intelligence laws, classified information must remain in secured come partments. cooperation from the biden administration and the president's lawyers and zero cooperation from donald trump trying not to cooperate. >> david? >> they can write the scripts and say you do my part this time. it's like the casablanca line. the audience will be shocked to find politics at play here. listen.
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it is interesting to hear the republicans so concerned about this right now because as they expressed concern i think they bolster what the democrats are saying in the summer about the seriousness of the trump situation. >> thank you both. just in, the treasury department warned the u.s. to reach the debt ceiling january 19. extraordinary measures must be taken. >> the white house press secretary said it's up to congress now to take action. >> there's been a bipartisan cooperation coming to lifting the debt ceiling and how it should be. how we should continue. it should not be a political football. this is not political gamesmanship and should be done without conditions. >> cnn's matt egan joins us now. this is sooner than predicted. >> we have another debt ceiling
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fight brewing here. the debt ceiling is federal limit on borrowing. congress brushes up against that and lawmakers have to raise it or avoid a default. it would be financial armageddon. you would have chaos in markets. could have a recession that hits jempb the government might have to stop payments to everyone from federal employees to military salaries, medicare benefits. this is a big deal. not saying that will happen. so the debt limit is at $31 trillion. it was last raised at the end of 2021 and treasury secretary yellin saying it's going to be reached next week so what they can do meantime is they can do some basically accounting gimmicks called extraordinary measures. they will suspend retirement
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accounts. yellin says they don't think they will run out of cash until early june and usualing congress to about very soon. she said, quote, failure to meet the government's obligations caused harm to the u.s. economy, all americans and global financial stability. so this all sets the stage for what could be a pretty epic fight over the debt ceiling. >> thank you. >> thank you. with us now republican represent i have brad win strop of ohio. thank you for being here. you will hit the debt limit much sooner than predicted. will you vote to raise it? >> i'm going to expect that we'll see what we have seen in the past where we go to extraordinary measures. but at the end of the day we end up paying the bills but i don't
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think it's uncalled for for us to sit and say just as a family may do and we increase the debt and borrowing more money. got to make a plan because it doesn't have a good end. hopefully reasonable conversations that can take place across the aisle and we come to something that will work for everybody but at the end of the day i think you have been around this long enough. it is not a bad idea to turn things around so aren't in this situation time after time. >> it is not pretty watching how it happens so i imagine that might happen again. congressman, i imagine you listened as we played how republicans had a different reaction to donald trump, the classified documents found at mar-a-lago versus at president biden's home and office and then how democrats had a different reaction.
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you are speaking out now about the classified documents at president biden's home and office and think the american people deserve to know more. why weren't you as vocal when this was happening with donald trump? >> i wouldn't say that i wasn't vocal. what did i say? >> i mean -- yeah. only thing -- go ahead. >> i sit on intelligence commit tee and recommended and did is as members of the intelligence committee and it was only republicans that day when the mar-a-lago raid took place we came out and said if we have a significant national security rigs then we should be briefed on it. that's the role and the responsibility on the intelligence committee. that's all i said. >> right. that's my point because this happened in april 7 with donald trump. the national archives publicly acknowledged having a hard time getting the documents back and
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then four months late wer you se out and now speaking out more vocally and quickly about the classified documents at biden's home and office. >> i think classifying me with other people and asking me what i spoke about i'm saying the same thing in this situation as back then. if there's a national security risk we should be briefed on it and why weren't we? a violation is a violation on either side of this. people say depends on the level of the potential damage. it is the level of the potential damage that i guess some people are concerned about. i'm concerned were any of the documents, how revealing are they? and were they breached at all? but you do have to look at it and say, look, in mar-a-lago
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overt. a massive raid. in the biden example it was covert. you hear the questions asked. both things before the election. here's what i'm concerned about with the intelligence committee. we go in to a secure facility and we make sure we don't leave with anything that's classified. the staff makes sure. the documents are numberered. i want to know the role of the archives because how are people able to box things up and walk out with them. on the intelligence committee either side of the aisle it can't happen. >> right. yes. i hear you. sounds like something needs to change because this does seem to be concerning. but the national archives figured it out with the trump documents and alerted to it with
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the biden documents. while here i want to ask you about what congressman matt gaetz announced. so he has just said as part of this deal that people didn't know about until last night that he made to support kevin mccarthy becoming speaker that he got assurance from kevin mccarthy to release the security camera footage from the january 6 insurrection. that's what he wanted kevin mccarthy to agree to. do you like that idea and that deal? >> i think america should have access or at least congress have access to anything that may have been out there from that day, even communications that nancy pelosi maybe had that day with everybody who may have been involved. i was involved in the shooting at the baseball field. this was a situation at great risk and certainly the balance
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of power in america could have been changed that morning if steve scalise was not there and capitol police. if we can learn from what needs to be in place to protect the capitol and those that work there, i would like to do that. i wanted to include june 14, 2017, at the baseball field with the january 6 commission. i went to rulies and offered that. and that was voted down in rules and partisan fashion. i think look. get a little sunshine on everything but i have no idea what matt gaetz said to kevin mccarthy. imspeaking from where i sit and i think we deserve to know what happened and we can do better in the future. >> do you know this side deals made with the holdouts that kevin mccarthy struck with them? >> if it's a one on one deal of
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some type that is outside of my realm. i have no idea. >> congressman winstrop, thank you. >> you're welcome. deadly tornadoes through the south causing significant damage along the way. the only child of elvis presley has died why what we know now about lisa marie's sudden death. wait what? get it before it's's gone on the subway app!
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national weather service said a tornado through selma, alabama, at least an ef-2. nine people are dead following the storms. >> biming ham national weather service said officials found ef-3 tornado damage in autauga county. ryan young is there. what have you found? >> reporter: look. that's tough news hearing about the people that lost the lives in this. you understand the destruction left behind. this is a large awnings outside a gas station. you can see the storm pulverized this area. we have been talking to folks who talk about the loud sound
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>> reporter: yes. >> my fence is damaged. i'm fortunate because compared to a lot of my neighbors, i see right here i didn't sustain substantial damage. >> reporter: okay. you can see from above from the drone video this is an aerial picture. almost every single roof in two-square-mile is damaged. this is broad street right behind us. broad street leads to the edmond pet tis bridge just above that bridge. pour crews are working to try to get the lines up and some people are stuck in the neighborhoods with trees down. thankfully no one in this area died last night. maybe trapping people in the businesses quite sometime but got out with their lives. >> the images are incredible. it looks like apocalyptic.
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one of the first orders of business for missouri house of representatives tightening the dresscode for female lawmakers. it requires women to wear a jacket or cardigan or blazer that covers the arms in chamber. >> a republican said it's to make the existing rules for clear but democrats don't like it. >> there are some very serious things in this rule package to debate but we are fighting again for women's right to choose something and this time whether -- how she covers herself. i spent $1,200 on a suit and i can't wear it because i'm told that it is inappropriate. >> missouri state representative ashley aweny. thank you for being here. is that the big difference that
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the women's arms need to be covered? >> thank you. yeah. so actually what's interesting is the rule has always required us to wear a second layer, that's been interpreted as a jacket or a blazer or a cardigan and now trying to include only blazers which the caucus believed is size and cost prohibitive and ridiculous. >> there's a requirement for a second layer. >> need a third. >> this is day one the issue that must be fought over? >> that's exactly the frustration. right? is that day one when we wept to go finalize our house rules what they wanted to fight about is dress code. what we wanted to talk about is making the house more accessible to disabilities or missourians
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to testify first or virtual testimony or those that can't make it to the capital to testify and instead here we are talking about the sweaters to wear or not wear. >> we are making light of this. seems laughable or overreach but a more sinister feeling with places in the world where women are told they have to cover up and told what to wear. is there a feeling on the house this is a slippery slope of some kind? >> absolutely. in 2019 house republicans passed the abortion ban after the dobbs decision came down fully restricting a women's right to choose in this state and on day one in our legislature they double down on controlling women. it's wild to me. i think it's sending a message that the republican party, the missouri gop doesn't have the
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best interest in mind and not focused on the important issues. >> this is a republican woman that sponsored or supported the change for the dress code. what's the consequence if you just show up with a sleeveless dress? i'm confused if you go into the chamber without the blazer is there a problem for a member? >> absolutely. the clerk can ask us to leave the floor and unable to vote and can't represent the 37,000 constituents in the district that sent us down there to do the bidding. >> democrats outvoted on this? how did this pass? >> absolutely. it was a voice vote. we are in a super minority in missouri. there are 52 democrats out of 163 legislators so we are still a super minority. if they want something to pass in the state it passes. >> republicans do feel strongly about the right to bare arms.
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were you waiting for that? >> we have heard. yeah, yeah. >> missouri state representative, i thank you for your time. >> of course. thank you. >> well'll be watching. president biden is spending the weekend in delaware. the white house is in damage control mode. we have more on that just ahead. and you can't forget about the boss. it wasn't just a rososter. it was a menu. the subway series. the greatest menu of a all tim. i'm a vegas hotel. i know what you're thinking - it's cool, i don't want anything too serious either. just a fun, spontaneous thing. i'm looking for someone who will let loose dress up a little. see a ow. order the steak and the lobster. some people say i'm excessive, but who cares. i'm just looking for a saturday to remember,
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