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phil mattingly joins us with the latest on that. is there any indication that the white house is going to publicly fill in some of the gaps here? >> if anything, anderson, according to senior white house officials i've been speaking to, the opposite is more likely the case. they will maintain this posture of not saying anything at all about this investigation. in terms of their current approach, they need to be by the book in their view. and by the book means given the fact an investigation is underway, it is an ongoing matter, they do not want to engage for risk of one, potentially upsetting those who are doing the investigation, and two, ensuring that there's no sense that somebody's trying to shift how things may go. now, that doesn't mean there's not significant work underway inside the white house right now to prepare for this moment. just keep in mind over the course of the last couple of days, a special counsel is not even on the radar. now it is reality. they are working with both a small team of advisers for president biden and inside and outside lawyers to set up an
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investigation that could take months, if not longer. >> the biden administration was feeling good about their political prospects. what's the mood now in the white house? >> feeling good is an understatement. when you look at the economic numbers, that continued throughout the course of a head spinning week because of this investigation and how it played out. they had a clear strategy almost scheduled to some degree for the president, as they implemented their legislative agenda, as they moved toward a potential re-election campaign. what's been interesting is how stunned advisers have been throughout the course of the week with each successive drip of new information. the special counsel being among them. they were not informed in advance. the president wasn't. the senior team wasn't. there's also a sense as you get to the end of the week, you talk to senior white house officials at the end of this day, they are recognizing right now for those not involved in the legal team, not involved in the process of dealing with the special counsel, business as usual is really the only option. trying to maintain the strategy
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that they were trying to put into place for this year, trying to maintain the schedule they wanted for the president going into this year. they're going to try and do everything as close to what they'd initially planned as possible in the hopes that somehow they can kind of push through on their agenda. is reality is this has obviously swamped the overarching message of things, the coverage of the white house over the last five days, whether or not they can plow through that in the weeks ahead is an open question, but one they very much believe they can do. obviously, anderson, this is a very different moment this friday night than they were facing monday morning. they believe they can work within that reality. we'll see as the weeks play out. >> thank you. perspective from senior law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe. andrew, given everything you know so far about president biden's recovered classified documents, if you were leading the investigation, where would you start? what questions need to be answered immediately? >> the most fundamental piece of any investigation into the spill of classified is what we refer
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to as classified information ends up someplace it's not supposed to be is first to conduct an assessment as to have we created a national security threat here. so, they want to look at exactly what was outside of that authorized space and determine if sources and method versus been placed in jeopardy. after that, you get to the how did this happen part of the investigation. that starts with day one. who packed this stuff up? who transported it? how was it transport snd how was it stored when it got to its ultimate location? who access to that space? walk through the logical progression of who could possibly have been exposed to this stuff and when. >> the biden administration says they're cooperating with the department of justice so far. how does that impact the approach by the doj, and if the level of cooperation changes, i assume the doj tactics shift in some way. >> certainly, certainly. so, you know the -- there's a lot of concern about how long this inquiry is going to take. well, if it remains on this very
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cooperative footing, it could go very quickly. one of the reasons why the trump review has taken so long is because the trump team has bitterly fought doj at every turn. they've gone into court and filed motions, filed an extra court case about having a special master appointed. so, i don't anticipate any of that sort of resistance from the biden team. they have been -- they have leaned very far forward in alerting the archives and doj, bringing everyone to the -- everyone's attention to the issue. if that continues, they could actually cut through this investigation in just a few months. >> chairman jim jordan announced this house judiciary commission into the doj actions related to the president's handling of the classified documents. how much does that impact the doj ongoing investigation? >> i think that doj will likely -- i certainly would advise them, if they were willing to listen to my advise. i would advise them to take a very hard line against that. there is a clear precedent here
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of not sharing information from an ongoing criminal investigation with congress. and i think the doj's in a very strong position to resist on those grounds. who knows what comes of that resistance? maybe doj leadership starts getting subpoenaed. and ultimately that fight will end up in the courts. and that could drag things out. that's going to be an additional distraction to doj. but it shouldn't disrupt the actual conduct of the investigation. so, that's a -- it'll be a separate but related set of stressors that doj has to deal with. >> and right now you have the sitting president, you have a former president who's already declared candidacy rg both under investigation by separate special counsels appointed by the attorney general. this seems pretty unprecedented, no? >> it's absolutely unprecedented. i can't think of another situation even remotely like it. i think it was a very astute move by the attorney general to appoint a special counsel in the biden inquiry.
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i think it's essential that these inquires are treated exactly the same at their inception, given the same resources and priority and special counsels. at this point, anderson, they become entirely different and totally independent. the facts are very different. the way the respective teams are treats their reactions with doj are very different. and they could come to very different results. >> andrew mccabe, appreciate it. i want to talk about the political fallout, which could be unwelcomed to the administration. with inflation cooling, gas prices dropping, and the president's approval numbers growing in the polls, at least before this, joining us is david gergen, white house insider for republicans alike, also cnn political commentator and pennsylvania republican commentator charlie dent and washington bureau chief for "the boston globe." david gergen, let's start with you. how big a mess is this for the
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biden administration? >> very, very big. not legally but politically, it's a very, very big deal. this was a president that was marching upward for the first time in his presidency. got his numbers up. people are feeling better about the economy. there are all sorts of reasons to believe that he can now present himself -- the fears that people like me have about how old is he and can he govern well? fears would be dissipated if he were able to stay on that track. but then along comes this gigantic story, which is totally unexpected. it is not the original plan. but i do think that they -- that the biden people -- i -- they may be making a big mistake, anderson. i may be wrong about this. they've done a wonderful job being cooperative with the government, and they've done it, quote, by the books, as they were saying. i don't think sitting there hunkering down now, just acting like it's not out there is a good -- they're going to get creamed doing that. >> there's also been the drip, drip, drip of information, some of that unpreventable because
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they didn't know a special counsel was coming. but they did know when they had the president talk about the first batch of documents that were found. they had already known there were other batch of documents found. you would think they might have just, you know, announced that all at once. >> exactly. that's why they could have put that out there. as matters now stand, that long delay in putting it out there is going to encourage people to believe, what are they hiding? and that's where they -- there is a temptation in every one of these kind of crises to hunker down. and it's the wrong temptation. it's the wrong temp atation to look to. you go back to iran contra and crises like that, you've just got to get the facts out. these are facts we know, facts we don't know, and we'll keep you posted. >> do you think this takes away the white house's ability to criticize president trump's handling of classified documents. big differences between the two,
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but how far often does political discourse break through these days? rarely. >> that's the thing, right? it definitely muddies the waters in a way that republicans are elated about. going into particularly the house republican majority, there was procession among democrats that a lot of these investigations were going to be fishing expeditions. because of this, they were thrown a fish, and they were able to grab onto something. and this -- it does mute the ability to criticize president trump, former president trump, in the same way. and let's be clear, this isn't happening in a vacuum. we all kind of expect biden to announce his plans for the coming presidential election in short order. we think it's the beginning of the year. so, does this affect -- i think there's a real question, does this affect that timing should this continue, you know, in the weeks and months to come. >> congressman den, as we reported jim jordan is launching this investigation into the doj. should the biden administration be concerned about republican
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oversight on this? >> absolutely they should because jim jordan must be absolutely giddy and salivating over this. i mean, politically, this is just the water versus been muddied. even though there are real differences between the two cases. joe biden ran for president on being confident. this looks like he was careless or reckless or his people were. for him to go out there and say, first bad news does not get better with time. the fact they're releasing this out in bits and pieces. oh, yeah, we found some by the corvette locked in the garage. i mean, this is really not helping his case. and now that there is a special counsel appointed, again, that's more reasons for the republicans to pick at them. what they'll find out, i have no idea. as a political matter, i think republicans are thrilled because this diverts attention away from many of their own problems. they're in a much better position than they were one week
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ago. >> david, i guess, if republicans -- is there a catch 22 about this? if they cry foul about this, wouldn't that also put attention on president trump's handling? >> i think they've got a little overheated here in the last few days in their criticism. i do think they're the ones who ought to step back and let the story be told by others. but among other things right now, anderson, when you're in one of these situations in the white house, you've got your team. your party is out in the congress and elsewhere. and you need to feed them things that they can use to defend you with. and the biden people are not providing them the handles, the arguments, the counterarguments. one of the things, for example, that talks some of the sting off this to me is what we've experienced in recent years is we've had an explosion in the number of documents that are classified documents. >> overclassification. >> overclassification. pat moynihan headed up a
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bipartisan commission to look at secrecy. he found there were two million people in the federal government who could slap classifications on documents. and there were 1 million people in private industry who had the capacity to put classifications on documents. so, naturally things just took off. and it made people inside the government increasingly complacent. and what you're seeing -- finding these documents in the garage, for god sakes, is a sloppiness, a massive sloppiness on people who don't understand. this is quite sensitive. we should take this seriously. but they've been engulfed by a lot of this other stuff, where, you know, as jim sciutto was saying earlier today on this channel, you know, he said, you know, basically you used to have a sandwich down for lunch and then you put a stamp out, putting the classification on it. >> jackie, you mentioned this before, but i mean, do you really think it potentially impacts biden's expected announcement for running?
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>> i don't know. i don't know, anderson. i think it really depends. i think it's a decision on whether or not to run certainly. but we're going into this year, as phil mattingly mentioned. you know, you have hanging onto the senate, republicans were in complete disarray fighting amongst themss. you had the economy getting better. you had biden touting the achievements from the last year. and this really has kind of hit a wall as a result of these revelations about these documents. so, certainly it's dampened the momentum that this white house had potentially going into a future announcement. >> and congressman dent, senator chris coons, democrat from delaware, he said they're more concerned about gas prices, grocery prices. that's essentially the same argument republicans were makinged in lead-up to the midterm elections and stuff on
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russia. do you think he is right? >> chris coons is a good friend. if you're joe biden, you really don't want this issue around, the special counsel sniffing around. nothing good will come of it. it's true biden's had good news and chris coons is probably right that this is not the primary focus of voters. but still not a great issue because it really speaks to a carelessness or a recklessness where joe biden has done his best to contrast himself with donald trump, who was always very careless and reckless on many matters. and it undermines his whole argument. but at the end of the day, you're right, chris coons is right that most voters are concerned about the price of groceries and gasoline and everything else they're dealing with, housing and whatnot. >> appreciate it. thank you. coming up next, reporting from the "new york times," disturbing newly uncovered online postings from the alleged university of idaho killer from
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teenager. he writes in one, i am blank, i have to he motion, i have nothing. another reads, as i hug my family, i look into their faces, i see nothing. it is like i am looking at a video game butless. he went on to write, i can do whatever i want with little remorse. kohberger maintains his innocence. we'll get more from john miller, also mary ellen o'toole, special agent and profiler. mary ellen, let's talk about these postings. i mean, it seems kind of textbook of, well, how do you interpret it? >> well, as i went through the article and i saw how he's describing himself and how he feels, the depersonalization, the anxiety, the depression, feelings of wanting to commit suicide, that's all very serious. and then he talks about this phenomenon known as visual snow.
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then all of a sudden, there seems to have been just a stop in what's happening to him, and he's able to go on, get a college degree, a master's degree, and apply for a phd program. all of those things he's described can be life altering. they can really affect the long-term quality of his life. and to think that he was able to get over those -- that depression and that anxiety, the suicide thinking, suicide ideation without any kind of mental health assistance is really stunning to me. so, i would think that if that was, in fact, how he was feeling at the time, there should be a much more formal record of it. again, if it's not treated, if there's no help, that would have affected seriously the quality of life and affected his accomplishments as well. >> when you see those postings, what do you think? >> i flash back to sitting in a
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brooklyn courtroom at the competency hearing for the son of berkowitz. he said, in laymen's terms, he's emotionally dead. what's interesting is he's describing a serial killer from many years ago the very same way kohberger is describing himself in his development on this pathway. if you follow the pathway, you see he finds his way into studying criminal behavior. he finds his way into a particular study that he was the point person on, where he asked criminals, how did you feel when you did this? why did you do it that way? what did you leave behind? and, you know, and talking to mary ellen about this, she said, you know, it's not structured as a real study. this is voyeurism. this is him trying to get into the feeling, which then leads to fantasies about acts and realization of those acts. and what's the first thing he does allegedly after these crimes that he's charged with?
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he returns to the scene the next morning before police have even been called to reimmerse himself in it. >> mary ellen, to you, that study -- this quote, unquote study he was doing was very telling. >> the study that bryan had designed was really very telling to me because from a research perspective, it was a very poorly put together protocol. but as he's writing it and you follow through, he says, at any point in the criminal behavior, how were you feel? what were you thinking? and when you saw the victim, how were you feel sng what were you thinking? and i found that to be very voyeuristic just in terms of the kinds of information he is attempting to elicit. that's not the basis for good research. now you have someone, at the same time, who's been to the crime scene house on approximately 12 occasions.
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the victims obviously weren't aware of it. there's kind of a sense of voyeuristic behavior there. and then as john just mentioned, the morning of the murders, he comes back to the scene, presumably to see what is going on. again, evidence of voyeuristic behavior. evidence that he is thinking clearly, inconsistent with the mental health issues that he raised when he was a teenager. >> i mean, john, it is kind of amazing, you know, when he went back home, isolated area. the fact that law enforcement was able to monitor him and see him go out in the middle of the night and bring his garbage across the street and throw it out at neighbor's, they did a really good job. >> so, they did an extraordinary job. and putting together many pieces to this puzzle so that it came together as one clear picture, a really interesting effort. but when you look at his behavior there, what's he doing? he's taking out the garbage. he's putting it in the
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neighbor's garbage. he's wearing surgical gloves. one could project from that, i'm not going to give them the benefit of dna or a fingerprint. as mary ellen just said, you know, he is still very much on point thinking, thinking about covering up, or you could flip that and say, i know i'm under surveillance and i'm playing cat and mouse with them. >> john miller, it's fascinating stuff. mary ellen o'toole. i appreciate it. thank you. coming up the outcry of a video of a san francisco shop owner spraying a homeless woman and telling her to move. nick watt joins us right after the break. introducing the new sleep number climate360 smart bed. only smart bed in the world that actively cools, warms and effortlessly responds to bothf you. our smart sleepers get 28 mutes more restful sleep per night.
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a confrontation in a san francisco neighborhood between a homeless woman and an antiques dealer caught on tape shows the store owner spraying her with a garden hose and telling her to move. it's become a flash point in the city's debate about how to manage the homeless crisis. the video has upset many people. others see it as a frustrating situation they believe has been left on their doorstep by city officials. cnn's nick watt has more.
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>> reporter: the person on the sidewalk is homeless, goes by the name, q. the guy with the garden hose is owner of an upscale art and antiques gallery. >> i find it hard to apologize. i've called the police at least 27 times. >> ifts outraged. she has caused some trouble. she is mentally ill. and she screams obscenities. the city needs to take action and do something to give these people support and help that they need, not move them a few blocks away. that's not the solution. >> reporter: more than 4,000 people live on san francisco streets by latest count, in part because renting an average one bedroom in this fashionable city now costs $3,000 a month, second only to new york city. >> the reality, san francisco is only 7 by 7, seven miles by seven miles. so, there's a need more more
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housing and more affordable housing. >> reporter: and nearly half of unhoused women in san francisco experience violence, according to a 2020 study. >> i don't think this is a san francisco problem. we're seeing this nationally. >> i think that the passer by that was filming it was bringing to light what's happening every day. >> reporter: in the city, businesses have used planters on the sidewalk to keep homeless away. neighbors in this group cobbled together bolders to deter drug dealers and the homeless. the city did take them away. even st. mary's cathedral installed sprinklers to prevent the needy from sleeping in her shadow. gwen, who right now has that italian cabinet on sell for 55 grand in his gallery, also resorting to soaking the unhoused. >> as far as i'm concerned, it's assault, and there should be consequences. we know that people are very
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frustrated, but thds not the solution. >> i totally understand what an awful thing that is to do. but i also understand what an awful thing it is to leave her on the street. >> reporter: housing, not hosing, the homeless just might be a better solution. >> and nick watt joins us now from san francisco. where is that person now? >> reporter: well, anderson, q, the homeless person, is according to officials , in a hospital getting some help. and as for collier gwen, the guy with the hose, his gallery is closed, somebody smashed the door, and his case is with the investigations bureau. >> a judge ruled about what can and can't be done about the homeless population. what was the ruling? >> reporter: so, this judge said back in december that officials in this city can no longer do what they call encampment
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sweeps, getting tents off the street, confiscating people's possessions. and the reason the judge said that they can't do that is because the city was not offering people viable alternatives to living on the street. you know, this video, anderson, really tipifies a couple issues in the country. one is managing the coexistence between the unhoused and the housed. and the other is really getting people on the street the services and the help they need, connecting them with what they need to help them and to help everybody. >> nick watt, appreciate it. thank you. coming up next, exclusive audio from an iranian soccer player behind bars. and the daughter of one of the biggest thorns in vladimir putin's side, alexei navalny. what she says about her father's illness inin russia's hardest prison.
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in connection with the killing of three security officers. supporters say he was forced into a confession, put through a sham trial, and is now being tortured behind bars. cnn's don riddell has more. >> reporter: amir has been living the dream as a professional football player in iran. within the last few weeks, his situation has turned into a nightmare. after protests swept through the country in september, he was accused of being a member of an armed group that was charged in the killing of three security officers in november. the government says that he confessed to participating in the crimes and now faces 26 years in prison. he denies that he's guilty, and his supporters claim he made a forced confession and was tortured in jail. in a voice message obtained by cnn, he can be heard appealing for help from within the prison walls.
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[ speaking non-english ] >> reporter: he's been in jail since november, where his family is worried about his safety, as the government has already begun executing protesters. saturday, the islamic republic executed two more young men, including the karate champion -- bringing the total number of executed protesters to four, according to the u.n.'s human rights service. he took up karate and won medals at championships. he was accused of killing a security officer. and following a rushed trial, supposedly based on a forced confession, he was found guilty and executed just a month later. the amnesty international says that his trial was a sham. his fate echos that as the iranian wrestler was jailed for
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participating in protests and executed in 2020. his defiance inspired other athletes to speak out as well, including the former karate champion, who fled the country in 2008. >> i've got plenty of messages from young, 17, 18 years old kids that they see all this killing and torture on the streets and all that kind of stuff, they just telling me, okay, you know, because they know me because of my background, et cetera. they just say, yeah, this life, it's done for me. i'm going to kill myself. >> reporter: athletes in iran seem to be battling a new fight against what activists are calling an unjust judicial system. and they're making a plea, hoping the international community will pay attention. [ speaking non-english ]
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>> reporter: at this point, the recording cuts out. he says he'll have much more to say when he gets out of prison. but for now, he needs others to be his voice. otherwise, he could be silenced forever. you know, i asked -- who we featured just then what athletes in other countries can do. he said simply that they can share what's going on to make sure as many people know as possible what's going on inside iran. cnn reached out about the case. we are not received a response. >> don riddell, thanks. to another oppressive regime. alexei navalny is set to be in declining health, cycled in and out of solitary confinement and
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denied medical treatment. more now on what he's going through with his daughter, dasha. dasha, thank you for being with us tonight. first of all, do you know right now what your father's condition is? >> first of all, i want to say thank you so much for having me. it's a huge honor. thank you so much for letting the light on the situation that's happening. my -- i know what's happening. and my biggest concern with my dad's situation is his physical health right now. we all know that russian prisons aren't well equipped for the cold winters. and of course my father got the flu. his condition is not good. i'll be honest, he has a cough and a fever, and he's expectedly very exhausted. they placed a mentally unstable person in a cell next to him who
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are screams at night. so, my father isn't able to get any sleep at night. the prison officials are refusing to treat him. when my father requested to be placed in prison hospital, they said it was full of people who might get him infected, however agreed to take his cell mate into the prison hospital, essentially spreading the virus to my dad. even before the flu, he had some senior back problems, and he requested to have a doctor visit many, many times for a long time. and eventually, the doctor visited him once, prescribed him injections of an unknown name and didn't give a diagnosis. we're trying to get him all the help that we can get. and we actually have got a lot of russian doctors to sign my mother's plea and supported plea for medical care for my dad.
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but his health is my primary concern at the moment. >> i know in the past, your father has been able to communicate limitedly, via letters or through his attorneys. has that become more difficult? when were you last able to communicate with him? >> so, the last time i saw him in person was a year and a half ago for my birth, september 2021. we talked over the small phone that's in prisons and the whole movie scene where we leaned our palms against the mirror -- against the glass that separated us. it looked like we were holding hands. it was very sweet, but of course not the same as being really in person. in december i sent him a letter just talking about my fall quarter and what courses i'm taking and this quarter, winter.
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and i actually just got a reply a couple days ago. it's nothing super interesting. >> what do you think about your father went back to russia knowing -- after the -- after he was poisoned, he -- and recovered, he went back to russia, flying in, knowing what he was going back to. as his daughter, i mean, it's incredibly heroic. it's extraordinary. as his daughter, it's -- what is that like to know that your father, you know, put his life -- is repeatedly putting his life on the line for something larger than him and the family, you know, for so many other people? >> right. well, i'm not going to say that it hasn't been difficult. i really miss him. i've always been a father's daughter. you know, before this, he would get arrested but no longer for a
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couple of days or a week. and this is definitely -- especially when he was first arrested for the first year. it was definitely hard for me to understand that i can't just text or call my dad whenever i wanted to. but, you know, it's hard. but someone has to do the work that he does. and i'm proud of him for doing it. and it makes -- it makes supporting him that much easier. >> dasha, thank you so much. i wish you the best. >> thank you. >> a reminder, "father story" has been made into a sun dance award winning documentary. "navalny" is title. you can watch it tomorrow night, 9:00 eastern time right here. coming up, ufos, what was just revealed and why it adds to the mystery of what's out there.
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course. sightings come from navy and air force pilots and operators working in restricted military air space. many cases turn out to be balloons, drones, birds, plastic bags, or just weather but the u.s. government still can't explain about half of the other reports. an astrophysicistt and visiting professor of george mason university joins us now. this is so fascinating. can you walk us through the new report? the question most viewers have is does this make it more likely that there could be some sort of alien life out there? >> well, this report does not even mention aliens, right? it mentions concerns but aliens are not one of them. i think there are three major results in the report. the first is the new data of what has been seen and an increase in the number of reports for several reasons. one is reducing the stigma with reporting the observations of unknown phenomena. they also talk about a new
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government structure now dedicated to understanding these phenomena in case they are hazardous we need to get a grip. not only is there a new structure but also working within government agencies. then the last part, that doesn't get a lot of attention, is the part about the data gathering. what they are hinting at is we need greater awareness of what is in our air, what is in our space, and what is in our maritime environments. most of these observations have been near military bases. more aviators there, more sensors there. what is coming next i think is to get greater coverage of our skies. >> that is a reason a lot of the unexplained sightings are over military bases because those are the pilots kind of there is a system for them to report it more easily. >> absolutely. and there are, you know, nonhuman sensors present. >> right. >> we already do this in astro physics. we scan the galaxy and discover
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millions and billions of stars at a time and classify them. always some are left unknown. we do the same thing in the solar system. we look for hazardous asteroids and classify them. on occasion we find something unknown. in this case although most of the observations are mundane, there are still those unknowns. they could be our adversaries. at the minimum they could be aerial hazards. or they could be aliens but that is highly unlikely. >> some of the uaps were seen making really unusual flight characteristics. i think i've interviewed at least one military pilot who was tracking one of these and was stunned by the speed with which they were moving. if it is not some kind of foreign aircraft, though, does it, does this report give any indication, any explanation over how the things are moving in such weird ways? >> no it does not go into the
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details of these at all. if it is left as an unknown that means it is an unknown. everything that moves as understood is a known. >> so this declassified report what additional information might be in the version lawmakers have access to >> i imagine there is some additional data. they may have flagged some particular events as particularly interesting. there is always a risk of adversaries in our skies. if there is some sort of aerial hazard coming you want towns the source. many are balloons. there's real reasons, they're doing it in a very sober way. understand what is happening in america's skies better than we have before. >> it is interesting they've sort of destigmatized the reporting of this. >> right. >> there is nothing worse as a navy pilot and you report something that turns out to be a
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paper bag that is certainly not probably great for your career but it is interesting that they are at least making it easier for people. >> by not sensationalizing it, being very sober, they also turn it from something always thought of as something that is extra terrestial to, oh, here is something in our skies we don't quite understand. we need to report this. so that we can do due diligence and get an understanding of what we're dealing with. >> thank you so much for joining us. i really appreciate it. >> thank you, sir. i appreciate it. cnn tonight with laura coates is next right after a short break.
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