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biden documents case, and a cnn exclusive the bizarre twist in the saga of george santos in connection to a ponzi scheme. we start with a father who is mourning the death of his daughter who was murdered in moscow, idaho. her name is madison mogen. she was one of four at university of idaho, the students stabbed to death that their house in november. as you know, a 28-year-old man, bryan kohberger, is charged with the murders. now "the new york times" has uncovered disturbing online postings from alleged killer when he was a teenager. he writes in one, quote, as i hug my family, i look into their faces, i see nothing, it is like i'm looking at a video game but less. he went onto identity that he, quote, could do whatever i want with little remorse. kohberger is in custody and maintains his innocence. now, these murders of these four students have gotten widespread coverage, but often lost in all of that is the quiet and isolating and lonely grief for

the families that they leave behind. so tonight we just want you to hear from one dad, ben mogen, who misses his daughter very much. >> thank you so much for talking to us. i am so sorry for your loss and that we're talking under these circumstances. first of all, how are you holding up? >> oh, we're -- my family and i are getting through each day, just one at a time. we all miss madi so much. but, yeah, it's hard, but we're surviving and getting through. >> does it feel real? i mean, i keep thinking, i thought about you and all of the families from the moment this happened, and for the weeks of not knowing and, you know, not a

lot of information and then, i mean, one thing after another. i can't imagine what it's like, grief is hard enough, but to have grief in this situation, yeah. i am not sure even what to ask you. how do you get through it? >> yeah, you asked if it seems real. sometimes when i see her picture, you know, i will be somewhere random and see her picture on a tv screen or see her name in print and i don't know if i'll ever get used to that really. it's so -- it's just so surreal. but i have actually been listening to your podcast, all there is, whenever i have had a chance. it's been really helpful. >> i'm glad.

>> yeah, it's really beautiful. >> i'm glad you found something in it that is helpful because, i mean, you have to hold on to whatever you can whenever you can. what was maddie like? what do you want people to know about her? >> oh, maddie was, she was just fun to be around. she was just smart and funny and beautiful. she was a good friend. she was, you know, when she was younger, we had family get-togethers and her little cousins, my sister's two kids, are younger and she would play with them. she would set up these little plays where she would give them little roles and they would come out and perform them for the family. >> she was like the director. >> the director behind the scenes. >> that's great. >> yeah, right. she was so much fun. i mean, she was -- she liked to -- she liked to go and see live music.

she got that from me, probably. we saw lots of concerts together. she continued to do that once she went to college. she and her friends would travel to go to shows. >> what kind of music did she like? >> well, she started off liking miley, hannah montana. so she listened to that. she watched that show all the time. then one -- i lived in boise at the time. the next time i came up to visit, i asked, what music have you been listening to? and she said, oh, mostly dmx. so she went from that to -- >> all of a sudden, she changed. >> to hip hop. yeah, she changed. but she listened to everything. >> the last photos that you took with maddie, what was that day like? when was that? >> that was on the fourth of july, this last fourth of july that we had.

yeah, that was my wife and my stepdaughter were there. yeah, we had a good gathering here. i was so proud of her. she was going into her last year of college here. and she was going to graduate early even with honors. she was on the honor roll every semester. >> what was she majoring? >> we were so proud of. >> what do you think she would have done after? >> she was a business major. i don't know. i was curious to see where she went with it. she could have done anything she wanted to. she was so bright and so good with people and just so -- just had a magnetic personality. and, yeah, she could have done anything she wanted to.

i couldn't wait to see where she went with things. >> and when you are going through something like this, some people want to follow everything that's happening in an investigation and others don't. where do you -- i mean, have you been following this closely? is it too painful to do that? >> yeah, it's too painful for me to -- i mean, i get the major news items either from the -- well, the police were calling me every day and telling me updates up until that day. and since then it's been a prosecutor, someone from the prosecutor's office that stays in touch with me. but as far as reading or watching, i can't really do it. i get the main pieces of news i need to from other people. but especially the social media stuff.

i just -- i really can't -- i can't go down that road. not yet at least. >> i understand that. maddie was best friends with kaylee goncalves, who was also killed. they went to high school together. i understand they did homework together. can you talk about their friendship? >> yeah. they actually met in middle school. >> wow, middle school? >> yeah. and they went to charter, which is a kind of a higher up, they have really high standards for their academics and whatnot. so they went there for three years together, and then they had -- then they went to the public school for their high school years. and so they, yeah, they were so close. she was -- kaylee's family lives out of town a little bit in rathdrum. she was out there all the time. and they would go on trips together, family trips. she went on a few cruises with the family. and she was just like another sister to those girls.

>> there obviously has been an outpouring of love and support from not only people in moscow, the university of idaho communities, but across the nation. does that -- do you feel that? does it help at all? >> yeah. i definitely feel it. and it does help. there is -- people have been so amazing and so just heartfelt. and it does -- we do feel it. my whole family does. i know the other families do, too. people really can be amazing in hard times to each other. >> grief and loss is so isolating, or can be so isolating, and that's -- it's nice to feel that at least you have a sense that there is other

people around who are thinking about you and, you know, sending you love and thinking about you and maddie and everybody. >> yeah, yeah. i have heard, i mean, i didn't realize one of the things that they were saying on the podcast is you get to know someone more after they're gone in some ways. yeah, just all the people that -- all the people's lives that she touched. going from teachers to old, you know, classmates, just people that knew her when she was younger just for a little bit, but that, you know, they've come and told us -- >> they reached out? >> a letter, or just reached out, let us know, hey, maddie was so special to us in these different ways. >> that's beautiful. that's so important. i mean, to suddenly hear from other people who you didn't know their connections to maddie, but suddenly a teacher writing but something she did long ago. that's beautiful. >> yeah. yeah, it is.

>> is there anything else? i heard you talking before we went on air and you said the necklace that you are wearing is important to you. in what way? >> yeah. i had a birthday right after everything happened, and my sister, katie may, she lives in minneapolis, but she reached out to a local jeweler and she had this necklace made. it says madison may mogen. and it says "love always." yeah, i wear it every day. i always will. it will be something that's special forever. and the other piece is something from my wedding that my wife corey and i had made for everybody that came to our wedding. so those are my two -- my two loves of my life. >> ben, i'm so sorry again that we're talking under these

circumstances. i really appreciate it. yeah, i hope you continue to find strength and peace in your grief. >> oh, thank you so much. and you as well in yours. >> ben, thank you so much. i really -- is there anything else you want to say to people or let people know? >> one thing that came up. so when you were talking to lori anderson, she said something about how when we lose someone, part of us dies as well when they die. so a lot of years ago i had a friend named zach and he lost his fiance all of a sudden. and he was having a hard time getting through it. and he -- i was talking with him

almost every day, and he came across this quote that said something along those lines, said when a person dies, then the person that we are when we were with them also dies because we never get to be that person anymore because we are only that person when we're with them. and so that always stuck with me. and when someone would lose someone, you know, they would -- when they would come talk to me about it, i would bring that up because maybe it could help them in some way. and i had forgotten that. and i hadn't used that or thought about it in my own grief. and since this has happened to us. and when i heard that just the other day, it reminded me, hey, that's what i used to bring up to people when they were going through this. why haven't i thought about it myself? >> yeah. lori brought it up.

i was saying i had a feeling after my mom died that i had this feeling of loneliness. and she was pointing out to me, and it was a revelation to me, that, you know, i was seeing my mom through the eyes that i was when i was, you know, 10 years old, say, and that the child that i was, and because everybody else in my family has died, that there is nobody else who knew that child that i was. so that child has died. and that was, for me, a revelation. so that's so interesting that that stood out to you as well, that that resonated with you. >> yeah, yeah, it really did. that was special. >> ben, thank you so much. ben mogen, appreciate it. i wish you the best. >> thank you so much, anderson. it means a lot that you had me on. >> one father speaking about his grief. there is much more ahead tonight, including breaking news. new reporting in "the new york times" about what george santos' own campaign knew about his

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including the statement i led an honest life. here is the lead out in "the new york times." in late 2021, as he prepared to make a second run for a suburban new york city house seat, george santos gave permission for his campaign to commission a routine background study on him. the "times" reports citing three people with knowledge of the study, some of mr. santos' vendors were so alarmed after seeing the study in late november 2021 they urged him to drop out of the race and warned he could risk public humiliation by continuing. so here we are. this comes as we have an exclusive of our own at the congressman's time at a company accused of running a ponzi scheme and what he told a suspicious customer at the time. joining us is senior editor, andrew. walk us through what you found. sorry. andrew, sorry, we're having an audio problem with you. i thought it was just my ip. we will try to get that fixed. we will get back in touch with

andrew. house speaker kevin mccarthy continues to stand behind santos. joining us now, congressman williams, represents the syracuse utica area. you said that you don't think santos should serve in the house anymore. is his presence there hurting republicans' ability to legislate or is it just an embarrassment? >> well, two things about that. first, my frame of reference, i was the nuclear submarine officer in the navy. so the standard for integrity on submarines is very high, as you would imagine. second i would honest lay say that i don't think george's presence is impeding our ability to legislate. i would say it's really interfering with the new york delegation's ability to talk about what we're doing and to tell our story.

>> what do you make of speaker mccarthy's response to all of this, which is he is not going to take action just yet, the voters elected him to serve, which is what mccarthy said, and we'll see essentially what happens down the road. there has been a request that the ethics committee investigate. what do you make of mccarthy's position? >> well, i haven't spoken with the speaker on this topic. i would hope that the speaker is committed to due process. that's really what we'd want by the, you know, the leading member in the house of representatives. and that sounds like what he has committed to, allow ethics to shepherd this and that's really what you want from your leaders. i think in new york we can talk about how we are affected, but sounds like he is to go the right thing. >> what do you think needs to happen for your party to be able

to move forward? do you think congressman santos should just resign now? >> he should go back to being a private citizen. there is new revelations every day, as you know. there was research file that the democratic party published in august that outlined all of these issues. i think that was the basis of the "new york times" article. so a lot of these things have been known for quite a while. so the timing of all of this is a mystery to me. i have not been in politics. i'm just reacting to what i'm seeing. i think he should resign. >> congressman williams, i appreciate your time. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> we fixed our audio problems. walk us through what you found. >> santos worked at this investment firm in 2020 and 2021. it was called harbor city capital. he served as the regional director for the new york office. and the s.e.c. basically shut this place down in 2021 right around the time that santos

left. they called it a classic ponzi scheme in their complaint against the company. now, what santos has said last year, "the daily beast" reported on the ponzi scheme, and he said, you know, i don't know, didn't know about it, i am just as shocked as everyone else. but what our reporting has found, has called into question, and in an exchange with a customer. let's take a look at that exchange so people can see what happened. now, you can see that this customer is raising concerns to mr. santos about what is essentially the company went out and told people that if they invested with what the s.e.c. says is now a ponzi scheme, all of their investment would basically be backed by this line of credit from banks. and here we have this

customer telling mr. santos, you know, i looked into this, i called my bank, they said it's fraudulent and most importantly here is this is april 2020. the s.e.c. doesn't take action against them until april 2021. so this is more than a year before that, that santos was alerted to possible fraud at the company. >> and this isn't all the investigation found. what was santos saying at the time about harbor city capital? >> when he was running for office in 2020 he said a number of things about his time at harbor city. he called himself the head guy in the new york office. he said he was an executive. interesting, he also claimed that he was posting for all of these customers, these massive massive returns. let's take a listen to this clip from 2020 and what he told one interviewer. >> currently, at harbor city capital i manage a $1.5 billion fund, right? and i know how to manage it well.

i give rapid returns. to anybody who watches this, they will understand i'm giving, you know, a 12% fixed yield income a year, which nobody in the market is giving four, and we are giving 12. we are giving up to 20 to 26% in irr return on our investors' capital. >> so we reached out to mr. santos, congressman santos now, a couple of times over text message. we reached out to his spokesperson. we didn't hear back. we heard back from his private attorney. we asked about the tweet. he didn't directly pond to our question, what did mr. santos know about if ponzi scheme. he gave us a statement basically saying in light of the ongoing investigation and for the benefit of the victims, it would be inappropriate to respond other than so say congressman santos was completely unaware of any illegal activity at harbor city. >> all right. fascinating. thank you. ahead, the intense fighting over a small town in eastern ukraine and video of a major explosion targeting russian

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we have new images in the bloody fight over a ukrainian town russians claim as a victory. although as you're about to hear, the situation is unclear. this from the eastern town of soledar.

you see what are believed to be russian soldiers marching here walking in the direction of a green roofed house. then there's a massive explosion at what appears to be a shelter for russian troops. the video has been geolocated by cnn. commentary by a ukrainian soldier by a much longer version of the video says this happened on the outskirts of the town and they've been watching the house for some time. now cnn's ben wedeman is in ukraine near the fighting. first, we want to give you a taste of what trench warfare in the 21st century looks like. this from ben and the team he's traveling with. >> reporter: what we're seeing are the ukrainian forces are holding steady in these positions, and they seem to be ferrying, going back and forth perhaps taking troops out of s soledar in what looks like a

fairly organized pull back. as far as the situation in soledar goes, even here, just two and a half miles away, the situation is not all together clear. some of the soldiers tell us it's fallen. some of them tell us it's at least part of it in the hands of the ukrainians. but we can still hear a fair amount of fire coming from that area. >> ben joins us now. are you getting more indications that ukrainians are preparing to cede the town to russian forces or any more clarification of what the status of the town is? >> reporter: we have these conflicting claims, anderson. the russians saying they seized it, they have complete control of it. the ukrainians saying that they still have part of it under their control. now, cnn has spoken to a soldier inside soledar who indicated that there are small pockets of ukrainian forces still inside, but they are divided from one another. they have problems communicating with one another. so the situation is unclear.

what we saw was that certainly on the outskirts of the town they have set up defensive positions. pretty well dug in defensive positions. and it may be a matter of time before they simply have to pull out because of the intensity of the russian onslaught that has been going on for weeks. we have seen in the past that, for instance, in donetsk in june the ukrainians pulled out after pulling up quite a fight and in july. so at a certain point the real diminishing returns to fighting house to house, street to street, taking heavy casualties, and as that video you referred to of that house being hit on the outskirts of soledar, they are really hitting the russians hard every step of the way. >> i was watching "all quiet on the western front" the other

day. seeing you in that trench it's amazing to me in this day and age there's trench warfare going on in europe. >> reporter: well, the fact of the matter is, in many of the wars i have covered, when you're in an area that's under fire, under fire from artillery, rockets and mortars, there is no better place to hide than a trench. the earth provides a lot of protection. and certainly in this environment where the russians really depend on heavy artillery to really grind down their enemy, certainly the trenches are still the best way to protect yourself in that really harsh environment. >> yeah. thank you. the focal point of public infighting among russian leaders.

a tug-of-war between the defense ministry and wagner for credit for the fighting in soledar. vladimir putin publicly berated his min sister of industry and trade he says for acting too slowly in completing orders from military and civilian aircraft. >> translator: why are you fooling around? >> translator: it will be ready in this quarter based on the funds available in the budget. >> translator: i want all of this to be done within a month. >> translator: we will try to do our best. >> translator: no. do not try to do your best. please get it done in a month, no later. >> joined now by cnn national security analyst steve hall, former cia of russian operations and jill dougherty, global fellow at the woodrow wilson center. steve, it's interesting to see vladimir putin saying that. i mean, one, i would not want to be on the receiving end of that from any boss, let alone vladimir putin. it's also clear vladimir putin wants to be seen as being tough on, you know, on this bureaucrat.

>> yeah, anderson. this is, obviously, nothing but show and showmanship. i mean, putin has done this before. he does it with oligarchs occasionally where he up grades and down grades them publicly. there is, of course, any number of ways he could have done privately, where you sit down, you know, subordinate not performing well. this is all for show. he wants to show that in the case of the war going badly it's not his fault and he's taking strong measures against those whose fault it is. my assessment is that will play well domestically with russians who believe that to be the case. they think the leader of the country is above all of this and he needs to lean on his people. so i think this is for them, and i think it'll play pretty well. >> jill, do you agree? this is public performance? >> no question. and remember, at the beginning of the war, he did basically the same thing in a shocking event when he really excoriated,

humiliated the head of the svr intelligence, mr. narishukin. he did the very same thing and with a smirk on his face. as steve was saying, this is classic putin. >> steve, russia appointed putin's chief of general staff as the military commander, what they call a special military operation. what do you think that is about? what's putin trying to accomplish with that move? is it to have the next fall guy? is it a sign that the russian forces will start to improve? >> you know, kremlinology is an opaque science at best. it's really hard to figure out what is in putin's mind. >> there's generations of intelligence folks who have tried to engage in kremlinology or sovietology. >> yeah. it's a hard study because there is so much going on. so start from where putin sees himself. first and foremost, the most important thing for putin is winning the ukrainian war, that's important. is it maintaining russia as a great nation?

that's important. it's all about vladimir putin. it's all about himself, preserving himself and his style of government. so what he is trying to do is trying to set people against each other to see who the strongest person is. of course, if it doesn't go well, it will end up on the new, you know, the newly appointed commander, who has been around for quite a while. this is no good thing for him. but he is also setting himself, setting -- putin is setting him up against others in the kremlin who are vying for power. so there is all this politics going on. some of it has to do with the war. much more has to do with internal kremlin politics. >> jill, do you see this shuffling of responsibility as a sign of instability?

>> i think it's a sign of frustration by the president, by president putin, that the war isn't going well. i think it's also kind of a power shift. you know, putin's modus operandi for a long time is to poll balenciaga people who are below them. they may have very different viewpoints. look at what we were just talking about. this fight between that private military contractor group and he is in direct verbal fight with the defense ministry. he is claiming credit for his guys taking soledar. and so this is really extraordinary. you know, putin has allowed this type of stuff to happen and it's happening publicly. but in the old days, you would say he won't let that go on for too long. right now we are not sure. can he hold it together? is he really, really getting powerful? what's happening to the

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child of elvis presley who died thursday at the age of 54 after an apparent cardiac arrest. this from the golden globes on tuesday. she attended and supported the biopic "elvis" that came out last year. walking down the stairs, being helped. a family spokesperson says she will be buried at graceland next to her beloved ben who died by suicide more than two years ago. symbolic of someone who one mourner said who lived her entire life in the spotlight but did not have an easy life. randi kaye has more. >> were you very close to your father? >> yes. >> there was a daddy/daughter kind of thing? >> very much. >> what was he like as a father? >> very, you know, adoring. very sweet. >> reporter: lisa marie presley was 9 years old when her father elvis died from a heart attack in 1977.

in 2003 she told rolling stone when her father kissed her good night for the last time she had a feeling something would happen, adding she was obsessed with death at an early age. >> how did you deal with the attention of his death? >> masses of people mourning in front of me, fainting, carrying on. i remember watching, you know, as the casket was there, they were coming through and there was a line and i just remember sitting on the stairwell not knowing what do with that. >> reporter: lisa marie was elvis and priscilla presley's only child born in 1968. after her parents separated when she was just 4, lisa marie split her time between her mom's house in los angeles and her father's graceland estate in memphis. her childhood was far from perfect. after she began experimenting with drugs, her mother sent her to private school. in 2003 she told "the l.a. times," i never really fit into school. i didn't really have any direction. ♪ >> reporter: music was her escape. she went on to record three studio albums, her 2003 debut album, to whom is may concern, reached number five on the billboard 200 and was certified gold.

she performed duets with the likes of pat benatar. ♪ >> reporter: she once told larry king perhaps she was a bit naive in choosing the same career as her father. >> always had a huge impact on me. i want to write, sing, do the same thing for others. how my music do that for others one day, not realizing, you know, what i sort of had to climb. i had an idea a little bit. i think that i underestimated the whole thing. >> reporter: she recorded duets with her father adding her voice to some of elvis' earlier recordings. ♪ >> reporter: lisa marie told abc she inherited a rebellious side from her father. >> alive and well in me. yes. to the point where my own children are like, mom, stop.

stop. what are you doing? don't say that. you can't say that. you can't do that. >> reporter: for decades the tabloids tracked lisa marie presley. >> the tabloids have been rough. >> they are rough. >> reporter: her love life always grabbed headlines. she was married four times. she had two children with her first husband, danny keough. then just 20 days after she divorced she said "i do kw" to michael jackson, the king of pop. >> when he wants to lock into you and intrigue you or capture you or, whatever he wants to do with you, he can do it. ♪ >> reporter: the couple made romantic music videos together and stunned audiences at the mtv video music awards. >> nobody thought this would last. >> reporter: but the marriage didn't last. they divorced in 1996 after about two years of marriage. she married actor nicholas cage in 2002, but they split after

just three months. she tied the knot with michael lockwood in 2006 and in 2008 gave birth to twins. by 2016, she filed for divorce. lisa marie had a theory about why her marriages didn't work out. as she told the daily mail in 2003, it had to do with her own father. i'm looking for someone similar to him and nobody could ever compare. he was so extraordinary a presence, she said. not even as an entertainer. just as a person. with her father's death, lisa marie presley learned at an early age what it means to grieve. years later she would experience tremendous grief again when her 27-year-old son took his own life in 2020. last year lisa marie wrote an essay about grief for "people" magazine. in part, grief does not stop or go away in any sense, a year or years after the loss. grief is something you will have

to carry with you the rest of your life. grief is incredibly lonely. it's a real choice to keep going. that's exactly what she did, keep going. on tuesday night, she was on the red carpet for the golden globes where the movie "elvis" about her father's life was up for several awards. >> what did this movie mean to you and your family? >> everything. it just, it's so incredible. there is no words. >> reporter: lisa marie presley had a front row seat to austin butler winning the golden globe for his portrayal of her father, elvis. >> some people want to put me in jail for the way i was moving. >> and if you had gotten to know austin butler a little bit? >> yeah, i'm gonna grab your arm. a lot. a lot, actually. i adore him. >> reporter: she was asked if she planned to keep in touch with austin butler. her answer was an emphatic yes. but fate intervened. lisa marie presley was 54. >> and we will be right back with more news. l.

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it is friday night, of course, and harry enten is here. and just because it is friday the 13th, doesn't mean some americans aren't testing their luck tonight. the mega millions jackpot stands at $1.35 billion, the second largest prize in its history. if you win and take the lump sum option it's a mere $724.6 million. but before you start picking out your new mansions and start coming up with new names for yachts, harry enten is here to present a reality check. are you going to crush jackpot dreams tonight? >> i leave the reality checks to our buddy john avlon. but i will point out this. the chance of winning the mega millions is north of 1 in 300 million. you know, mega millions is even more of a rip off than the powerball. i remember we were here a few

months ago talking about the power ball. the powerball is closer to 1 in 292 million. and there are other things that you have a better chance of doing. let's say you're a britain. a random britain, what's the chance you're a monarch? 1 in 67 million. perhaps you want to be as tall as me. i'm 6'2", you have about a 1 in 20 chance of being 6'2" if you're a man in this country. >> i feel like we're seeing more huge jackpots. >> we really are. as i pointed out earlier we were here in november. that was actually the largest jackpot. that was a powerball north of $2 billion. all of the big jackpots, including this one, have occurred in the last, say, six, seven years. the fact is it's not your imagination. if you've been thinking, man, we've really been seeing a lot of billion dollar jackpots.

it used to be a rare thing. >> is it because more people are playing? >> okay. now, this is fun because i like math. you like math. it's friday the 13th. >> i don't like math. >> we can like math together. >> okay, sure. >> so, essentially what happened was the powerball and mega millions folks were like, you know what -- >> did you just cross your arms? >> maybe like a teacher. maybe like a teacher. essentially what they did is we want to drive these jackpots up. we want to lengthen the odds. so, what did they do? they added more balls. so, the powerball folks, they added more regular balls while the mega millions folks added more of the megaballs. and i'm going to try to say balls as many times in this segment as possible. and in doing so, they lengthen the odds. they made it harder to win the jackpot. and it drives those jackpots to go higher and higher and higher, just like jackie wilson once said. >> so, why is it harder to win? >> that is why it's harder to win. because they added more balls. as i said, they added more balls. i don't know what else you want to hear from me.

i can say it a thousand times. i'm off the rails. >> does every state -- where are the states that you can still not say who you are if you win? >> this i think is key. let's just say that you won it -- you managed to win that 1 in 303 million shot -- >> i'm going to see if you can work "balls" into this. >> let's see if i can do it. if you can match all six balls -- there it was, not that hard --. if you wanted to do it, you want to remain anonymous. you don't want your neighbors bothering you. there are 16 states that allow you to be anonymous. the closest one to you and me at this point is new jersey, which just recently passed the law allowing big jackpot winners. >> you've done that study that most of the country wants to remain anonymous? >> there's polling for everything, anderson, let me assure you. and if there isn't, i'll take the poll for you. >> all right, harry enten, thank you very much.

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