and early, that his store sold that winning ticket. he couldn't believe it. he actually thought it was a scam. >> it's almost incomprehensible. think about it, it is, to wrap your head around how much it would change somebody's life, regardless of your status and where you are, that kind of payout. we're glad to have it here in our small town. again, i've been a longtime supporter of the lottery. i play responsibly, and i suggest everybody do the same. because somewhere out there, somebody does win. >> and prior to friday, the highest winning ticket he's ever sold was $1,000. thanks for joining us. i'm pamela brown. the cnn film "navalny" starts now.

rolling. >> we're rolling. >> okay, we're going, guys? >> yeah. >> okay, so let's say i want to talk about something that we sort of touched on this morning. and you might hate this, but i really want you to think about it. if you are killed, if this does happen, what message do you leave behind to the russian people? >> oh, come on, daniel. no. no way. it's like you're making movie for the case of my death. like, again, i'm ready to answer your question, but please let it be another movie, movie number two. let's make a thriller out of this movie, and in the case i would be killed, let's make a boring movie of memory. ♪

>> alexei navalny is stepping back into another showdown with the kremlin.

>> what to do with navalny presents a conundrum for the kremlin. let him go and risk looking weak, or lock him up, knowing it could turn him into a political martyr . >> are you not scared, alexei? >> what do you expect in moscow?

>> unexpectedly, vladimir putin has a genuine challenger, a handsome 41-year-old lawyer, alexei navalny, who has chosen one of the most dangerous occupations in the world -- running against the man who controls the kremlin. >> more than any other opposition figure in russia, alexei navalny gets ordinary people out to protest. >> if i want to fight putin, if i want to be a leader of a country, i have to do something practical about it. well, i have to kind of organize people.

>> i was banned from everything. television, banned. newspapers, blacklisted. rallies, forbidden. i realized i can do a lot on my own with the support of my wife yulia. just small group of people i can rely on. zero money, a lot of work, internet and that's it. >> his youngest fans have turned

to tiktok, which has been crucial in spreading the word. >> navalny's posted hundreds of videos about his corruption investigations, and they're wildly popular. >> the kremlin hates navalny so much that they literally refuse to say his name.

>> our office raided, and they just confiscated everything, everything. they splash a toxic liquid to my face and my first thought was, jesus, i will be kind of monster until the end of my days . >> as i became more and more famous guy, i was totally sure that my life became safer and safer because i am a kind of famous guy and it will be problematic for them just to kill me. >> and boy, were you wrong. >> yes, i was very wrong.

>> so we went to siberia to make a nice movie about local corruption. i expected a lot of police. i expected a lot of people who try to prevent our filming, confiscate our cameras or just break our cameras or try to beat us. i expected that sort of things and i was very surprised like,

hmm, why is nobody here? why is there kind of -- i even have this strange feeling like, you know, lack of respect. seriously, i'm here, where is my police? the whole trip was the smoothest trip i ever had in regions. i am a kind of slave of thursdays because on thursday i have my online youtube show, and then weekend i can spend with my family before another trip to another region. i was going home, and then i died. >> passengers on his flight from siberia heard alexei navalny cry out in agony.

>> other passengers filming just after the plane makes an emergency landing in siberia. navalny then rushed to the hospital, where he was put on a ventilator. his spokeswoman saying navalny was poisoned. his wife raced to be by his side.

>> we've come to the conclusion that judging by the fact there were no poisons found in his blood or other biological materials, he has a metabolic disorder, lowering of blood sugar levels, to be specific. >> we're hearing state news agencies here that are backed by the kremlin suggesting that hallucinogenic drugs may be involved, but not poisoning.

>> this morning, an air ambulance from a german charity landed.

the moment when i heard the news that navalny was poisoned, my first thought was, can this

be the kremlin? would they be so dumb to try to kill an opposition figure? the main opposition figure? i was skeptical. i thought, hmm, maybe it's one of the many oligarchs on whose feet he has stepped. either it's a state-ordered attack, or it is somebody who is trying to assassinate opposition figures in order to appease putin. >> the closest anyone's come to tracing the poisoning to vladimir putin, a 2018 attack in salisbury, england. >> a defiant kremlin insisting again that it had nothing to do with a brazen assassination attempt of former russian spy sergei skripal. >> skripal was poisoned by the military-grade nerve agent novichok. >> the insidiousness of novichok is that it actually starts switching off your nerve connectors in your body one by one. if it's dosed properly, it will just turn you off as a body. but then within hours, any trace it will disappear, so it will always forever look like it was

a natural death. and this is why it appears to be the preferred form of killing for people whose death will be in the public scrutiny, such as navalny. >> there was a lot of pressure for us to start investigating. media partners in russia reached out to us and said, can you help? we looked at it and we thought, there's no hope in hell we can investigate the crime that happened in russia, in the remote corners of siberia, sitting here comfortably in europe. we didn't even try in the beginning. >> alexei navalny arrives at

this hospital in berlin with his wife yulia. a spokesperson tweeted, the struggle for alexei's life and health is just beginning. here at the hospital, both inside and out, he'll be watched.

>> to have your dad, an opposition leader, being poisoned by we don't know what, we don't know how, we don't know when, and just be in a random hospital -- it was just -- it was surreal. it was literally like a book. >> hello. >> the doctors at charite can't say anything about his brain, to which extent he will recover, even if they manage to wake him up. many millions of navalny supporters are trying to figure out how to help. we in berlin, our small team, we had to dive into actually, like, getting things done. >> we all were very skeptical about investigating alexei's poisoning.

as opposed to previous cases, this poisoning took place on the russian soil, so no one is going to share cctv footage with us. we're not going to have fancy videos from the airport where the poisoners fly in and out. and as much as it hurts to admit, while putin is in power, we'll never find out the truth. >> yulia, how is your husband this morning? >> it was so crazy, like it's putin's signature poison. we were actually so shocked that he didn't just decide to murder him, but to poison. and not just to poison, but exactly this novichok, like really, like leaving a signature on a crime scene.

>> when you come to a room of a comatose patient, you start just telling him the news, telling him his story. alexei, don't worry, you were poisoned, there was a murder attempt. putin tried to kill you with novichok. and he opened his, like, blue eyes wide and looked at me and said very clear -- "come on, poisoned? i don't believe it." like, he's back. this is alexei. putin's supposed to be not so stupid to use this novichok. his wording, his expletive, his intonation. if you want to kill someone, just shoot him, jesus christ, like -- real alexei. impossible to believe it, it's kind of stupid. the whole idea of poisoning with

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bellingcat is an organization of digital nerds, most of us with a little bit of almost autistic-like fascination with numbers. every time you use your e-mail, you make a phone call, make a doctor's appointment, take a plane or a train, anytime you use the atm, every time you actually look at the screen of your phone, that leaves a trace. in a place like russia, imagine the person who works at a travel agency that has access to the flight manifest, they're getting, what, 25 bucks a day as a salary? and then for another 25, they would be able to sell that flight manifest to anybody who asks for it, just because they'll double their income for the day. this is a whole industry. data brokers are on the dark web, you negotiate a price, and within a few minutes they say, yeah, i can get that data for you by tomorrow. and then you have to send bitcoin. now, bellingcat can't pay for that data because it's a foundation, so i have to pay for that data myself.

over the last five years of me working on data journalism, i would say i've spent $150,000. my wife has no idea about this. my wife suspects i've spent probably $2,000 or $3,000. if she knew the real quantum, she wouldn't be my wife. >> she's not watching this movie right now? >> she's not watching this movie now. i'm absolutely sure she's not watching this movie now. >> our expectation was once he's released from intensive care, he

will have a desire to go to russia immediately. to our great relief, he told me, "i better spend several months here. i want to go back to russia strong and fully recovered." >> for the longest time, i wasn't sure what to make of navalny. i had always wondered how much of an independent figure he is, or is he one of the many fake opposition figures created by the kremlin? i criticized him on twitter. i mean, he was known for having

flirted with the extreme right in the early days of his career. he walked side by side with some pretty nasty nationalists and racists. had he moved beyond that? had he actually become a reverse dark knight? >> within all my career, i've been asked the same 15 questions

all the time. are you afraid? are you working for kremlin? what is your family doing? you have a responsibility for your family. if it's foreign journalists, they're asking about nationalism and russian march. and every one of them, just jesus christ, just watch previous interviews. >> hold on. were there not a couple of sieg heilers at that thing? >> sorry? >> were there not a couple of nazi guys at that march? but certainly a seig heiler would be a different category that you would not want to associate with or march beside. >> well, in the normal world, in the normal political system, of course, i would never be in the same political party with them. but we are creating coalition, broader coalition to fight authoritarian regime, just to achieve the situation where everyone can participate in election. >> a lot of politicians will be uncomfortable even associating or being in the same photograph with one of these guys. >> no. >> are you comfortable with that? >> i'm okay with that.

and i consider it's my political superpower. i can talk to everyone. anyway, well, they are citizens of russian federation. and if i want to fight putin, if i want to be a leader of a country, i cannot just ignore the huge part of it. well, there are a lot of people who call themselves nationalists. okay, let's discuss it. we live in the country when they are poisoning politicians and killing people and arresting people for nothing. so, of course i am totally fine to sit with the guy whose rally looks kind of not very good for me.

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the russian media didn't find anything. and german investigators didn't have the jurisdiction. so we realized there is nobody who is going to actually actively investigate this unless we jump into this.

we knew that the poison was novichok. and novichok, we had proven in the previous investigation, is only manufactured in this facility called the signal institute. the signal institute in moscow works under the guise of a r&d center that develops advanced form of sports nutrition drinks. that's the legend. yet they employ for this work 12 scientists whose only experience and background is in chemical weapons. our hypothesis, this is the entity that actually provides the poison for the killers who travel around the world poisoning people with novichok. so what we did is we bought from the russian black market the phone records for the head of the signal institute. we looked at numbers that only appear just before the poisoning of navalny. and those were suspicious. but once we have a suspicious

number, you go through a number of russian apps that allow you to see how that phone number is listed in other people's phone books. so for example, i put in my number and it will show up as christo the journalist from bellingcat. because somebody would have put my name into their phone book, and that description would have been shared into this app. first number i looked up showed up as alexey, doctor from fsb. well, that was interesting. doctor from fsb, alexey. that was not enough. we couldn't place a real person behind this name. then i would look up if this number showed up in any car registration databases. and we found out an actual alexey alexandrov who owns a car, and this number was listed for contacting that person. so then you have a real person with a birth date. then you look up his passport file, you see his face. you repeat that many times with the other suspicious numbers. and then you have a short list of interesting people. and these became our prime

suspects. now, we knew when navalny had traveled to siberia, we had the actual passenger manifest of six different flights that had flown into novosibirsk, where navalny flew from moscow, on the day before, during, and after the day on which he arrived there. so we needed to see if any of those suspicious people traveled to siberia at the time of the poisoning. and we found an overlap. we found a nest of wasps that we didn't know existed. it's a domestic assassination machine on an industrial scale. i was absolutely shocked that this was so fast and the whole plot disentangled so quickly. so i just reached out by twitter and said, alexei, i think we may have found who poisoned you. >> after i went out of the hospital, i decided to move to black forest and live in some

small village. you can just walk for hours and not meet any person at all. these are my german friends. actually, little pony is my friend and donkey is yulia's friend. and this is a routine of our walk. come here, my little pony. isn't he sweet? better than your donkey. >> everybody likes small pony. it's like usual, but donkey is -- >> come to me. you're scaring him. go away. go away. poor guy. donkey, of course you like me. oh, come on. this is a very old woman. come on, my mighty horse. come here. more carrots. you'll grow big. they are cute, but they are not very smart.

so they decided for their fence not to provide electricity. >> don't do it . >> yulia wanted an apple and asked me to take it. but it's germany, so it's someone's apple. and there is a police over there. >> i'll come there when it will be dark. >> and no police. so you're a russian criminal who arrived to germany. >> no, it's okay. it belongs to -- i don't know. >> how do you know? how do you know that it belongs

to village? >> it's an open place. there's no anything which -- >> this is a very russian style of thinking about property, like it belongs to everyone. because it's an open place. just come and get it. >> the story of this guy who lives in vienna, but is bulgarian, but works in russia, and that he has a lot of his own money and he spends them on investigation of russian crimes. he just sounded too suspicious, too good to be true, too capable. he sounded a bit, you know, made up. >> are you confident that he is not a mi6 or cia? >> i'm pretty confident. i wouldn't say that i rule it out, but i'm pretty confident that he's not. >> i was suspicious about this guy from twitter.

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>> yeah, yeah. >> so cnn and "spiegel" are finally here. that's good. >> that means that we need to film exactly like a week from now, maybe. >> yeah. >> we had a nightmare of trying to get everybody to stick to the same time. it's all timed for simultaneous release. all the media channels are going to drop the bombshells simultaneously. >> there's a huge debate as to whether this was intended to incapacitate or kill. >> incapacitate or kill? >> yeah. >> i would say kill. 100% kill. >> if, for example, navalny had laundry returned to him while he was staying at the tomsk hotel the afternoon before he left, would that be a point of access? >> it's definitely a possibility. the question is how well you can dose the agent that way. you put, let's say, 10 times the deadly dose on the clothing.

you must be sure, however, that at least one lethal dose gets into the body. >> tomorrow we'll set up a phone with fake i.d.s. if we can call them through this number -- >> yes. >> we can try to prank them. >> yes, of course. >> navalny will call personally his poisoners, one by one, and we will record this. >> hi, this is navalny. you may remember me from trying to kill me.

>> is it your contention that vladimir putin must have been aware of this? >> of course. one hundred percent. it could have not happened without him. >> who's the most stupid? most stupid of them? >> well, definitely these are spetsnaz guys with no real training. >> i think it makes sense to try to prank stupid guys, and maybe these non-military guys. >> when you were a kid, did you have any political awareness? was this a political family? did your family talk about politics? >> yes. my family talks about politics all the time, and it was very --

they start to talk much more after chernobyl disaster, because actually my father and his family, they are from chernobyl, from the small village two kilometers away, as i would say, ten kilometers away from the nuclear station. everyone knows that there was an explosion of the nuclear station, but news keep in silence, and so all this nuclear and radioactive dust was on these fields, and they were forced to go to plant potatoes just to prevent rumors. just to explain to the population that everything is fine, everything is okay. go and work in the fields. and with the first appearance of putin on the screen, i just felt it. i have the same feeling, like i'm watching tv and i'm watching

political leader, and he's looking in my eyes and lying to me. >> this is the biggest challenge for me. i try to practice juggling about a month, and because of coordination and balancing, because you need some balance here, i'm very bad at it. >> i think he wants to make sure this hits home in russian media, and he thinks that's best done if he does it. so we're not being journalists reporting about some politician, but we're reporting about a politician who has his own youtube show with over 30 million followers, and who considers himself half a journalist.

that's a very unusual situation. it doesn't make things easier. >> mom is this yours? >> hold my beer while i'm making a tiktok. just the second one, you're just filming me with the whole scheme and i'm asking how bizarre. ♪ how bizarre ♪ >> okay. again. ♪ how bizarre ♪ >> you should remove the second one. >> oh, we can do that? >> yes, of course. this is a beautiful tiktok. >> i don't know how to do that. >> who's 19? >> you, apparently. ♪ ♪ elephants and acrobats lions, snakes, monkey ♪ ♪ how bizarre ♪ ♪ how bizarre, how bizarre ♪

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hello. >> now i totally feel like i'm an undercover agent with the wired up. >> are you not nervous? >> sorry? >> are you nervous? >> no. >> please, come on, you have to be a little bit. >> hello.

>> hung up. >> oh my god, you ruined their day. well, it's not just a day, i guess. >> hung up. >> maybe try the prank way? >> okay. >> could we ask if it's not interesting?

>> now we got evidence. >> yes. >> how could you do this? >> yes, yes, yes. >> spilled the whole story. >> whole story.

>> this is unbelievable. poor guy. poor guy. >> they will kill him. >> they will kill him, literally. >> poor kudryavtsev. >> poor kudryavtsev, yes. >> he's a dead man. >> let's offer him to defect. let's arrange for him the whole thing. >> seriously. >> because i think that's the humanitarian thing to do. >> okay. well, "spiegel" have been begging me to call them since the morning. can i tell them this already? confidentially? >> let's just decide. are we going to publish this conversation? >> no. >> because i think we should wait for -- >> putin's press conference, at the very least. >> sorry? >> till putin's press conference, at the very least. >> yes. it is on thursday? >> thursday. >> yes, 17th.

>> christo, before pushing this button, i want to say that was amazing job. thank you, everyone, for your contribution, guys. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> high five. >> high five. >> okay. >> good, good, good, good, good. let's go.

>> now an exclusive investigation can reveal a top secret mission. >> an elite team of operatives has been tracking navalny's every move for more than three years. >> thank you very much. it's an honor for me to be in such a big television of spain. i'm very pleased that you are paying attention to this situation. so thank you very much. this scheme, which looks like it's from the movies, but in this particular case it's a real scheme with real people, putin on the very top. >> in mid-august, navalny and his team traveled to siberia. at least five members of the fsb unit make the same journey on different flights. >> well, they can't be telling him now, but of course, i'm sure they're trying to. thank you.

thank you very much. >> back in tomsk, there was a surge in communications among the fsb unit and their bosses. if it was expected that navalny would die on the flight, they were now scrambling to deal with a very different situation. we enter a rundown apartment building on the outskirts of moscow where operative oleg tayakin lives. >> my name is clarissa ward. i work for cnn. can i ask you a couple of questions? was it your team that poisoned navalny? >> so you've said that you want to go back to russia. you're aware of the risks of going back. >> definitely. >> why do you want to go back? i don't want this group of killers exist in russia. i don't want putin being president. i don't want him being tsar of russia. i want to go back and try to change it.

>> it's a fantastic piece. >> yeah. >> absolutely. cheers. >> he opens his mouth with american songs. >> on tiktok. by the way, on tiktok -- >> they're talking about this all the time. >> yes. >> they're talking about you. >> and their version, ha-ha-ha, this is very funny.

>> but the main point is, they have a big problem. otherwise, they would not launch it. >> right, right, right. because, well, it's their channel. >> they allowed the state's number one channel that has never mentioned his name to only talk about him now. >> yes, you're absolutely right. this is the main point. it's not affordable for them to keep silence.

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ready for a 12-hour flight. >> we have to sit down for good luck . >> starting from 13 years old, i would think about what would i do if my dad was killed. we never had, like, a deep talk. you know, it's not anything that you can, like, sit at the table and discuss. >> so it's nice opportunity for you, dasha, to see the snow. so much snow before you go to l.a., right?

>> there is snow in california. >> there was a point a year ago where my dad was almost not there for my high school graduation. he was in jail once again. and, like, the whole day i was just thinking about how my dad would have been -- i'm sorry. my dad would have been proud to see me walk on the stage and get my certificate. and he wouldn't get that option because he was in jail for doing the right thing. i know that my dad misses russia, even though it's scary to go back. and if he didn't go back, i would say you need to go back and fight.

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>> his favorite ultimate answer for everything is cia.

>> great, great, great, great. >> this is just amazing pass to us. now we have a ball because he said, like, well, if we want to poison him, of course we would have poisoned him. we will, i mean, the whole argumentation, we will smash it with kudryavtsev. >> i'm just very curious how people will react to it, whether they will be as astonished as we are. nothing like that's ever happened to anyone.

>> well, it's totally unbelievable. i would never believe it if i wasn't part of it. 300,000 views for 20 minutes . >> one hour later, one million views. >> the poisoning of russian dissident alexei navalny has taken an even more bizarre turn.

>> if this was a hollywood movie, you would say it was over the top. but this is not. this is real. and boy, does this conversation punch a giant hole in the kremlin's narrative. >> surely this is hugely embarrassing for the kremlin and for the fsb. >> oh, absolutely. it's embarrassing for mr. kudryavtsev. it's embarrassing for the fsb. it's embarrassing for the kremlin. >> the fsb has said that the video of the conversation posted on navalny's youtube channel was fake. and that the phone call was a provocation aimed at discrediting the agency. >> navalny is suffering from delusion of persecution. otherwise, there's a freudian fixation on his own crotch area. this is probably how all this should be treated.

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