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♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ this is the week when the major broadcast networks unveil their fall lineup of shows. and every executive in hollywood knows how well "the sopranos" is doing on cable, which is a network problem. >> i think hbo altered everything for this reason alone, is there were no commercials. >> we are dependent on sponsors. there's so much we can do in terms of language, in terms of violence, in terms of sex. >> to a large degree, a lot of executives were just sanding off the edges of what was interesting.

>> i think hbo is looking at the world and going, okay, how can we matter? for quite a long time, movies and boxing were the bread and butter of hbo. >> people watch a show because you're partly a [ bleep ]. >> i think what we learned through shows like "the larry sanders show" or "oz" is that we could do serious television. >> there's something in the air. and it ain't love. >> "oz" was cutting edge in what it was willing to share with the audience. >> hit me. hit me. hit me in the face, brother. >> complicated characters, complicated issues. and the way it was presented was so, uh, unique. >> sentence, nine years. up for parole in six. >> what they were doing at hbo was exactly what the network wasn't doing. they were breaking barriers.

you get to "the sopranos" and all of a sudden, the villain is the hero. >> have some eggplant. >> i told you. i'm not hungry. >> now you won't even accept food from your own mother. >> "the sopranos" was david chase's invention about this mob family, something that people hadn't seen before. the idea that a mobster is seeing a therapist. >> what ever happened to gary cooper? the strong, silent type. that was an american. he wasn't in touch with his feelings. he just did what he had to do. see, what they didn't know is once they got gary cooper in touch with his feelings, they wouldn't be able to shut him up. and then it's dysfunction this, dysfunction that. >> you have strong feelings about this. >> every decade, you get somebody like peter falk as columbo or carroll o'conner as archie bunker. somebody you just can't imagine anyone else afterwards. james gandolfini is that as tony soprano. >> i think it's supposed to be a mafia story, but --

i mean, it's like i say -- >> it's also about everyday life. >> did you know that an italian invented the telephone? >> alexander graham bell was italian? >> you see? you see what i'm talking -- antonio finucci invented the telephone and he got robbed. everybody knows that. >> who invented the mafia? >> what? >> "the sopranos" took the mystery out of being a mobster. ♪ i'm a fool to do your dirty work oh yeah ♪ >> it was somehow more mundane than we guessed it would be, and yet every bit as riveting as "the godfather." >> you were like a brother to me. >> the debate raged at hbo about whether you could have a guy like this as your lead. and david chase was adamant that you have to, this is who he is, and he was right. >> can you assure me that tony soprano isn't going to become a sensitive, nurturing, mellowing man? >> yes. >> oh, good.

>> oh, my god. >> it's all right. i'll be home in a couple of hours. don't worry. >> i'm graduating tomorrow. >> carmela was a wife and a mother. i think first and foremost, i think as long as she kept going to church, she felt, all right, i'm taking care of my soul. >> where is the rest of the money? >> it's everywhere. >> she goes home to her husband who's got blood on him. there was no way to reconcile the two things. >> towards the end, when their marriage is falling apart -- >> i used to [ bleep ] your husband. >> you have made a fool of me for years with these whores. >> her performance in that fight is stunningly good. >> because she's jealous! [ bleep ]. let go of me! >> it mattered to people what this couple was going through. and i remember feeling a real sense of responsibility about

that and giving the weight to the scene that it deserves. >> what? >> you know what i don't understand, tony? what does she have that i don't have? >> suddenly here is this tv show that everyone is talking about, but you have to pay to watch it. you know, that's how good "the sopranos" was. people were paying just to see that show. >> "the sopranos" came along and completely re-established what the bar was. i honestly couldn't quite believe it, that television was communicating something that you might only see in the darkest moments and accurate moments in cinema. >> you look at the year that "american beauty" won the oscar, which is also the year that "the sopranos" debuted. almost immediately after that, the two mediums diverged. >> i know what i must do.

i'm afraid to do it. >> movies became much more focused on big tentpole things that could bring in as much of an audience as you possibly can. meanwhile, tv, which had always been a big tent medium, started going smaller and more interior and saying, all right, we want to tell stories for grownups that maybe don't get the biggest audience but get a really passionate one. ♪ i'll be home for christmas ♪ >> i had an idea of doing a show about death. >> are you smoking? >> no. >> yes, you are. i heard you. >> i'm not. no, i'm not. >> look, forget you'll give yourself cancer and die a slow and horrible death. you should not be stinking up that new hearse. >> i met with carolyn and she said, i'd like to do a show about a family that runs a funeral home. and something in my head just went, click. i thought, what a brilliant idea. >> i'm quitting right now. i promise. okay? i'll see you tonight.

♪ i'll be home for christmas ♪ >> alan ball comes up with a show with a perfect structure. each episode starts with the death of a character, and then that character's death is dealt with in a local family funeral home mortuary. >> excuse me. >> this was one of my first -- maybe it was my first binge show, which was long enough ago that it was all on somebody had recorded it on vcr. >> have you been watching mrs. romano? >> yeah. i'm watching her all night. are you thinking what i'm thinking? >> casket climber.

>> i want to go with you! >> whoa, whoa -- >> there's a whole level of something going on on television. it was grittier than most shows you'd ever seen before. and yet something magical about it. >> i think what our strategy at hbo was in terms of audiences, not everybody has to watch a show. but if we have different shows for different people, there is something that makes you want to come back and sign up month after month. maybe you don't watch "sex and the city" but you watch "entourage." >> "entourage" was originally based on mark wahlberg's life. and the appeal of the show is not so much about show business. it was these four guys who were lifelong friends who could [ bleep ] with each other and say horrible things to each other but be tight and be good friends. >> they want to throw 4 million at you. >> you're kidding. >> are you smiling? >> yeah, yeah, i'm smiling. >> can you hear me smiling? you got my balls tingling, man.

>> they drive that way in tiananmen square, bitch? >> ari gold became the breakout character, willing to be ruthless, yet also a family man with a line in the sand. and you don't really know where that line in the sand is, which makes him a morally much more interesting character. >> i read an article in "the times." "the new york times," not like the [ bleep ] they got out here. >> you read "the times," huh? >> no. >> you read "the new republic"? >> i've heard of it. >> it's interesting. it says you don't know what the [ bleep ] you're talking about. [music plays] if your instinct is to help. ♪ then clearly you care. ♪ you have what it takes to be a care professional. home instead. apply now.

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who could have possibly guessed a show about a bunch of backstabbing people with body odor on an island off borneo would become the tv hit of the summer? >> "survivor" was really the first truly competitive reality format. >> go! >> i started to really understand what the show was going to be about the first 20 minutes into day one. >> we'll see what we've got. before we make any decisions, we'll see what we've got. there might be a blow torch in there. >> we need a bathroom. >> are you guys all done talking? >> richard hatch was sitting in a tree, lecturing about what they should do as their group. >> nobody is working toward a particular goal. not the silly little stuff about who's going to sleep there, what are we going to do? but, why are we here? >> underneath him was a woman

sue hawk who was a truck driver. >> i'm a redneck, i don't know corporate world at all. corporate world ain't gonna work out here in the bush. >> that was the show. >> he walks around naked quite a bit. i think it probably bugs some of the guys. >> whatever it takes to win here is the point. it's a game. call it machiavellian, sure. >> we had no idea that richard hatch would be the best thing to ever happen to "survivor." >> all around the country people were on the edge of their seats, waiting for the final vote to be announced. >> the winner of the first "survivor" competition is -- >> "survivor" sort of legitimized the genre. simon fuller came into my office. and his vision was, one long audition. ♪ like a virgin touched for the very first time ♪ >> i've never, ever heard anything like that in my life.

♪ she bangs she bangs ♪ >> thank you, thank you. [ unintelligible singing ] >> what was that? that is what you think we're looking for? >> the network was saying, we don't think we can put simon on the promos. >> no, no, no, no, no, no, no. >> he'll scare little girls and we think that's our audience. >> one of worst auditions i've ever heard in my life. >> i'm like, well, that's the whole show -- so, you know, without him it's not going to work. it was a big fight internally. of course we got him on, and of course that's what sparked the show. >> well, here they are. the judges have made their choices. now, america, it's all up to you. >> "american idol" reunited the family audience in front of the tv. ♪ r-e-s-p-ec-t ♪ ♪ find out what it means to me ♪ >> 9-year-olds to 90-year-olds could root for somebody on "american idol." it's not like it hadn't been done before. but the way the producers of these shows could manipulate drama, the way they could find

stories? that was the core of making those shows successful. >> this is the weakest romance i've ever seen. this romance is pathetic. was there a romance? >> well, i think we just decided we were meant to be very close friends. >> very close friends. that's right. >> good, i've had some very close friends too. >> yeah, me too. me too. >> it's cost me a lot of money, i'll tell you that. >> "the apprentice" has its lasting effect even today. donald trump becomes a star. >> you're fired. >> all of it kind of reality show fake. people who worked on it have come forward and said, you know, we kind of made the whole thing up. and yet it sells. then there's just this explosion. >> you interested in tattoos? weight loss? plastic surgery? >> breast augmentation, tummy tuck, facial surgery. >> hoarders? substance abuse?

flipping your house? that's a big one. there's literally a reality show for everyone now. >> the networks would be out of business without reality tv. if you had to fill 40 hours of television with scripted shows, it would cost you an arm and a leg. you would be out of business because those scripted shows most likely will do no better and probably worse than the reality show did. >> we also started seeing things aimed at gay viewers and women. and so, you know, you have "queer eye for the straight guy." >> bad taste kills. >> and "project runway." >> this is a search for the next big fashion designer. >> "project runway" was not an instantaneous hit. we sort of had this crisis, we're like, is anyone going to want to sit around watching people sew? >> i am feeling the race against time now, yes. >> bravo played three or four episodes over the christmas holidays. and all of a sudden it just caught on like wildfire.

>> make it work. >> people have come into "runway" and "top chef," and they know that this can change their lives. >> one of you is about to win the title of "top chef." >> rock and roll! >> then you have "the osbournes." it was fun. because, you know, the whole idea of, you know, the guy who bit the heads off of bats being domestic, and his wife and his teenage kids -- >> please do not get drunk or get stoned tonight. >> that sort of sparks this movement of, we can just put celebrities on tv and just let them do what they want to do. >> i've always heard that people hang out at walmart. >> why? >> i don't know. >> what is walmart? do they, like, sell wall stuff? >> no. >> what is it? >> it's like, uh -- >> of course that reaches its peak, or nadir, depending on your opinion, with "the kardashians." >> i hate you all. >> welcome to my family. >> there's something about watching someone who's maybe slightly like yourself but more obnoxious --

>> you're so evil. >> there's a lot of baggage that comes with us. but it's like louis vuitton baggage. you always want it. >> or they're, you know, more of a disaster. >> prostitution whore, you are [ bleep ] engaged 19 times? you [ bleep ] stupid bitch! [ bleep ]! you [ bleep ] bitch! whore! >> there's something about watching that and going, yeah, god, at least i'm not that. >> i look over and i see like hair being pulled, and all the [ bleep ], i'm like, oh, my god, how do i get in? >> i used to get the critics asking me, well, why are people watching that reality show? why are they watching the show? because they're entertained. you're never going to meet someone that's going to say to you, you know, i was watching "the bachelor" last night, i loved it, but i wish i was watching a great drama. >> karen. >> i thought you would never ask. >> you don't need to call it a guilty pleasure. just call it a pleasure. it's something you love watching. it could be a reality show, could be a drama, sitcom,

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want to know what the best thing about childhood is? at some point, it stops. >> in the year 2000, we get "malcolm in the middle." and this is a pivotal show for a lot of reasons. not least of which because it gives us bryan cranston but because this is a single-camera

comedy. >> around here, being smart is exactly like being radioactive. >> single-camera comedies were funny. and the fact that you could shoot them like movies and they could be terrific every week. >> yep, class president felt really good. but later that night, i had a dream. >> critics loved that because it was something new. it was something that they weren't expecting. >> i used to see the traffic. the only thing moving is the carpool lane. >> hey, danny, you want a date with mama? >> get in the car. >> "curb" came because larry wanted to do a special. it was his -- you know, just -- "oh, film my life." but he would only make it with the stipulation that if he didn't like it, he could buy it back. lucky for us, he liked it. >> are you trying to act like

you ain't with me? >> no, i'm not trying to act like you're not with me. what are you saying? >> i will pull a [ bleep ] out in this thing, i will pull a [ bleep ] out -- >> don't you dare do that. >> the actors wouldn't get an outline for the show. they wouldn't even read what the scene was about. >> judy! judy! oh, my god! >> by the way, that shelf coming down was not planned. that shelf really did come down, and larry and jeff just acted their way through it. >> what do i do? >> stick it in your jacket. >> jeffrey! >> it's too big. >> do something, she's coming up! >> i think "curb" in many ways is the ultimate descendant of "seinfeld," it's in a much more real, truthful place where morality is a gray area. >> where's the [ bleep ] head? >> and everybody's redefining it all the time. >> the kid is home, hysterical, because her doll judy has been decapitated, because you two sickos took the head for god knows what reason, some voodoo [ bleep ] you're doing.

>> larry and i would play a game of worst case scenario. >> i was talking with a friend of mine. and he's a survivor. and he would love to meet you. would it be possible, i mean, for me to bring him to dinner? >> of course. >> you would take the basic premise from something that actually happened and then just exploit it. >> where's the survivor? >> what -- he's the survivor. from the -- from the television show. >> the guy from the "survivor" tv show and the holocaust survivor get into an argument about who had it worse. >> i'm saying we spent 42 days trying to survive. we had very little rations. no snacks. >> snacks? what are you talking, snacks? we didn't eat sometimes for a week, for a month. we ate nothing. >> i couldn't work out when i was over there, certainly didn't have a gym. >> a what? what are you -- >> i wore my sneakers out and the next thing you know, i'm wearing a pair of flip-flops. >> flip-flops! >> we slept on the ground. >> that was larry david at his

best, because he managed to take a subject no one would find funny and make the hilarious and palatable. >> i'm a survivor! >> i'm a survivor! >> i'm a survivor! >> i'm a survivor! >> i'm a survivor! >> is there any taboo that you wouldn't break? >> no, not if it was a funny idea. >> it's all about funny. >> yeah. >> so this is the magic trick, huh? >> illusion, michael. a trick is something a whore does for money. >> "arrested development" was absolutely firing on all cylinders, from the first episode to the last. >> don't you judge me. you're the selfish one. you're the one who charged his own brother for a frozen banana. i mean, it's one banana, michael, what could it cost? $10? >> you've never actually set foot in a supermarket, have you? >> if you got it, it's the funniest thing you ever saw. it assumed its audience was as smart as its writers. >> what do you got there? don't be afraid to make a -- i'm not going to beat myself up over that. >> it was so clever and more

meta than just about any show that's ever been on television. >> your average american male is in a state of perpetual adolescence, arrested development. >> hey, that's the name of the show! >> it was really smart that you could break all these rules. and also have a lot of characters on a comedy who were extremely unlikable. ♪ >> there are a lot more important things than jokes in a comedy. jokes aren't the most important thing in a comedy. >> what's the most important thing? >> character. >> take control of the body -- >> busy? >> yes, keeping up morale. >> can we have a chat? >> yeah. >> ooh! >> i've watched the british show "the office." it's one of the greatest cringe shows of all time. >> no, i don't have a great many ethnic employees, that's true. but it's not company policy. i haven't got a sign on the door

that says "white people only," you know. i don't care if you're black, brown, yellow. orientals make very good workers. >> whazzup! >> don't do that! >> when the decision was made to make an american version -- >> wazzup! wazzup! >> wazzup! >> there was a lot of head shaking. like, oh, god, american tv, they're going to ruin it. >> are they breathing? >> no, rose, they are not breathing. and they have no arms or legs. >> that's not part of it. >> where are they? >> it used the same mockumentary format that the british show had. >> dwight! >> dwight! >> what are you doing! >> we search for the organs. where is the heart? the precious heart. >> that show works. everybody you go to in that cast is hilarious. >> oh, my god! >> dwight! >> the mockumentary format was

different, and all of a sudden it became something that you just realized the audience was very comfortable and very conversant. >> hey, park lady, you suck. >> hear that? he called me park lady. >> "the office," "parks and rec," "modern family," the conceit is they're making a documentary. >> i'm okay. i'm good. i'm good. >> the idea of these shows is you know, they sit down on a couch or they catch them in a separate part of the office, and everybody does a confessional like reality television. >> i've gained a few extra pounds while we were expecting the baby, which has been very difficult. but apparently your body does a nesting, very maternal, primal thing where it retains nutrients, some sort of molecular physiology thing. but that's science. you can't fight it. >> we didn't need to explain that there's a documentary. yeah, it's a documentary, we don't need to know who's

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i had a particular connection to "band of brothers" mini series. >> let's go! >> my father served in the second world war and was in many of the places where airborne ended up. >> incoming! >> and what he felt was real about it was the emotions were utterly true. >> it was a bunch of ordinary guys who by way of training and volunteerism and sacrifice both saved the world and were forever changed by what they did. >> a lot of those veterans were still alive. so we got to meet them, we got to talk to them. >> i've seen my friends, my men being killed.

and it doesn't take too many days of that and you change dramatically. >> the show premiered september 9th, 2001. two days later, everything changes. people were concerned, should we stop airing it because it's a war story, and now the country is at war again? >> it turned out to be something that was necessary, because now almost every american, i think, felt as though they had enlisted in something that they had not enlisted in before. after 9/11, we were all part of something. >> we deserve long and happy lives and peace. >> historical dramas of the founding of the nation have been overly rosy. >> when i go to the cupboard and i find no coffee, no sugar, no pins, no meat, am i not living politics?

>> one of the things amazing to me about "john adams" was it was done as realism. >> would you approve a brutal and illegal act to enforce a political principle, sir! >> just the grittiness of founding a nation. >> and liberty will ring in america! >> and trying to figure out what a president is. >> god bless george washington, president of the united states. >> it's a gift to be given 12 hours on hbo. god help you if you don't have something to say. >> let's understand each other. i'm in a western district. i'm not a narco. i don't dirty people because i don't give a [ bleep ] about a possession charge. i'm a murder police. i'm here about the bodies. >> david simon was a newspaper reporter in baltimore. he spent a year embedded with the baltimore homicide unit to write a book. he and ed burns, who was a police officer, got together and said, what if we tell the whole

story of the death of the american city, the futility of the war on drugs, through the eyes of cops? of drug dealers? >> i've got the best territory and no kind of product. >> i got the best product but could stand a little more territory. >> of teachers, of politicians? just make the entire city into the character itself. >> you follow drugs, you get drug addicts and drug dealers. but you start to follow the money, and you don't know where the [ bleep ] it's going to take you. >> "the wire" broke down systemic racism and the cycle of poverty like no other television show had. >> come on, get up. it's a school day, you're going to be late. >> it wasn't just about, hey, look at these black kids chilling drugs on the street. you were in the apartment with them where they had no parents, where they were taking care of their siblings, where they were trying to scrounge for food. >> where's your book bag?

>> teacher ain't give no homework. >> so you start to get a much more realistic, three-dimensional picture of what poverty looks like in a city. >> one of the things about "the wire" that was so interesting is, it didn't rely on this traditional representation of gangsters. it didn't rely on this traditional representation of cops. it was like reading a great novel or a great series of novels. >> i think "the wire" showed the architecture of a full city and the way it layered its characters, particularly omar. omar was, by all other facets of his life, pretty awful. >> yeah, the cheese stands alone. >> but he had this code that he lived by that made him very touchable and very human. >> hey, yo, mike.

hook a sister up, y'all. >> he was openly gay, but people were also very afraid of him. and his sexuality was not necessarily weaponized against him. and for me, i didn't see black gangsters portrayed that way a lot. >> no matter what we call heroin, it's going to get sold. [ bleep ] is strong, we're going to sell it. [ bleep ] is weak, we're going to sell twice as much. you know why, because a fiend, he's going to chase that [ bleep ] no matter what. >> is it the greatest tv show of all time? people always argue about that. it's the greatest tv show to have black people on it ever. >> what's the highest compliment someone could pay you about the show? >> you didn't lie. that would be it. you didn't cheat. >> good night, stars. >> good night, stars. >> good night po-pos. >> good night po-pos. >> at the time, hbo was in about 33 million homes. fx was going to 110 million homes.

that's a lot of people who i think would like programming like this who do not have hbo. and then we said, well, there's got to be a different version of tony soprano. that ultimately was found in the script with vic mackey, who was a cop. >> good cop and bad cop lesson of the day. i'm a different kind of cop. >> the pilot of "the shield" is fascinating because you think that the show is being set up as a cat and mouse game. vic mackey is secretly in bed with all the gangs and all the drug dealers, making lots of money. then you're introduced to terry crowley this undercover cop who's sent to bring him down. you think, oh, that's the show. i've seen that show before. i've seen that movie before. >> we're talking about making the case that puts mack behind bars for a long time. >> then you get to the end of the pilot and vic shoots terry in the face. >> there was some thought that hbo shows did well because they

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>> i would love for people to think i'm quick and clever as the characters that i write. but you'd be disappointed. if you met me. >> josh six pages on english national lunch. >> meetings don't just take place sitting down and talking to people. >> those are the damn social studies paper. donna. >> look at the memo i gave you what you asked for, don't snap at me >> we knew that was the essence of the show, the challenge of doing that is number one, lighting. >> what was the question >> if you look at that set on the west wing, there's a lot of glass, glass is reflective. so there were a lot of technical challenges that existed. but the biggest challenge by far was the performance challenge. >> 8:02 five votes jumped the fence >> they can go beginning middle and end of scene sometimes in one take and it was liberating and intimidating.

>> what the held happened. >> we don't know. >> i lot of west wing it's a pleat fantasy of a political world that is so healthily bipartisan and shows people intensely and emotionally grandpop length with the hard questions >> 40% of americans have a gun in their home. only 16% believe gun ownership is an absolute right. own 9% believe it's an absolute wrong, there's a middle we can win them. >> presented both sides as real human beings that cared. >> not easy being my vice president, is it? >> no, sir. >> this was a valentine towards public service that i think people were hungry for and so this was a group of people just trying to make the world better? alexander hamilton didn't think we should have political parties neither did john adams, they thought it led to divisiveness. >> day two of the socialism you're wait for. >> the men in canada couldn't

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novack and tucker carson, in the cross fire. >> i remember when john stewart went on cross fire, 2022, john kerry was the presidential nominee facing george w. bush and i thought this would be a funny show. >> can i say something quickly? why do we have to fight? the two of you can't we just -- estimating nice about john kerry >> i care about beyond kerry >> and something about president bush. >> i'll be unemployed soon. >> i think anyone who enjoyed paying attacks to the news and watched the daily show will forever remember john stewart going on cross fire and reading those guys the riot act. >> you're doing theater when you should be doing debate. which would be great. >> you do >> it's not honest. >> it's not honest, what you do is partisan hackry. >> you sniff his thrown and accusing us of partisan hackry. >> absolutely. >> you got to be killing.

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schedules it, 911 happens. suddenly this show which seemed like this goff thing like you keep chasing after middle eastern terrorists becomes the most timely show on television because that is all that anyone in america can talk about after september 11th. the name for the series comes from the idea that it's 24 episodes in a season each episode is one hour in a day, and jack bower has the worst days >> we're running out of time, pull the trigger >> i know you care if you care buy me you'll pull the trigger. >> i can't >> pull the trigger. damn you. >> commercial breaks in that show were almost welcome so you could catch your breath. 24 was really the first bid show

if you think about it there were a lot of people in the later years of 24 that would only buy the dvds. >> do you think he'll come after you >> yes, and a lot of the subjects and complexities storytellers were doing my god this is blowing me and my i can see it now i just watched three in a row. >> it was a show made in late 1970s, not a good show but a show with a really good idea, which is civilization has been destroyed humanity is on the run what happens next? years later, sci fi channel looked at it and said what if we take the seriously? >> madam president we have to eliminate the olympic carrier immediately. >> there are 1300 people on that ship. >> star wars feels like fantasy and fable in the best possible sense, this felt like war. do it. >> the photographer was shot very much like world war ii combat camera man work.

>> ok, fire on my mark. >> no way, lee. please. come on. >> it was as if someone was floating in space with an old world war ii film, and oh here comes silon i want to get this shot, really was riveted by it. >> it's classic sci fi in that it's about using robots in space shifts and clones to comment on the world we live in now. >> i can't die. when these bodies destroyed my memory, my consciousness will be transmitted to a new one >> the soloms look, act and feel like humans you don't really know who you're rooting for anymore. >> the psychers are rattling around inside that mechanical brain. >> it was like west wing in space >> madam president, without you, we wouldn't have made it. >> it was just a very rich world, it felt lived in.

felt real. and the stakes could not have been higher. >> i think lost is the first huge cinematic tv show i saw >> i remember gathering at a friend's house to watch. and it was long enough ago and the internet was still young enough and social media was i mean, not -- it was friendster. >> jj abrams ambition for the lost pilot was grandiose. he always talked about it as making a movie every week. i think when we say the word cinematic, what we really mean is opening it up a little bit more, but also the ambition of an action set piece. jj was very aggressive, he's like if you want me to do this pilot, you'll need to give me the resource in order to do it

and i'll sheriff wright as a movie and keep that bar up. >> you start off you think all right this is just a survival drama people are plane crashed how will they get by, find food, et cetera? we hunt. and on top of that, there's this whole mystery where are we? why can't we get a rescue signal? why is there a polar bear, what is going on. >> the show averages more than 15 and a half million each week and spawned countless web locations where millions of avid fans can obsess >> the fan base is saying when are you going to answer those mysteries, personally i started feeling hamstrung story-wise instantly because we had to do 25 hours of lost in at the first season, so we started communicating to abc we're going to run out of flashback stories.

>> call it jack. >> you call it. >> abc was adamant in saying, no, like the show the is a hit show. people love the flashbacks don't we're you guys are great in it keep it up. >> are you ok, >> at the beginning of the third season we had characters locked in cages and i think looking back on it now dan and i are think metaphorically how we felt. >> halfway through third season, abc says ok, we will let you end the show and we were like yes, thank god. >> they said after ten seasons. >> that the where housewives and lost launched the same year, a huge boost for the network, two shows everybody was talking about. >> in truth i spent the day as i spent every other day, quietly polishing routine of my life until it gleaned with perfection. >> i have a lot to say about women who go into the iconic

roles of wife and mother and are unfulfilled. >> i think the good news it brought is women who are not perfect, who are not young, are viable. and a fan base was amazing. and you know, there were t-shirts, i remember going into a store and there was i am lynnette >> are you saying i'm a bad mother. >> you need to get back in your car. >> i'm gabby. i am susan. i am bree. >> are you at a bar? we stood on the shoulders of those who came before, strong with them characters in television but in the wake of desperate housewives, a lot more shows with older women came on the are. >> what are you doing? >> work myself out naked. >> oh. >> and then i fell.

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anyplace else. >> amen. >> clear yes, i full hearts. let's get them. >> the pilot of friday night lights is one of the best pilots of any television show ever. >> they introduce almost instantly to the fact that jason street is the greatest quarterback that dylon high school ever had. >> i've been studying quarterbacks for notre dame 20 year your son may be best i've ever seen. >> 35 r 40 minutes no the episode, trying to make a tackle. >> fumble on the play, fumble. >> jason street is hit and he's paralyzed. >> it is devastating because you get just far enough into the episode to think that may be the bad thing will not happen to this person. >> then the show wouldn't be the

show. >> i am going to stay in dillon and father to this baby i'm going to coach high school football and i are going to stay together and that's the way it is. yes? >> no. >> what do you mean no. >> you got to say to austin, this is your dream. >> that's what i'm telling you, that's what i'm telling you. >> we wanted it to feel like that the audience was just being invited in to a very small town, very intimate setting. >> i don't want to be responsible. >> nor do i want to have this baby be responsible for you not living out your dream, that's what i'm saying, you are my dream. >> i've walked with you all these years to get to this place, you and i together. >> it's about a couple trying to actually be in a marriage and make it work instead of what we always see on television and then, i felt a very strong deep desire to not just have her be the sidelines, supporting wife.

>> looks to me like on your soj. ourn you missed yourself, two, biology exams and a pretty important term paper in english lit, let's start there. >> i don't know what a soj ourn is >> it's going to keep you back a year if you don't get it together, change your attitude, that's what it is, rest of it you can look up. glee was an interesting show, it was about high school, they take parts out there and make them part of the story and it was about these misfits out of high school in the glee club, there's a lot of themes about, a, not fitting in, but b, homophobia. >> i'm through with playing by

the rules of someone else's game. >> so specific to my childhood, and like whoever thought that you know, a bunch of misfit show choir losers would become a global thing? i never did. >> don't stop. >> i think glee and ryan murphy really got the general public understanding that oh, there is a person behind this, and there's a person sense ability driving the show. >> i'll be look a sista >> this is the point which the show runners are almost as famous or more famous than some of the people on their shows, because we care so much about the creative process. >> is it the drama and the story usually comes first anmed later. >> the theme and drama of every episode comes first and we try to find medicine that relates or reflects to that theme. >> mr. and mrs. glass i understand how difficult this is, no disrespect but like held

you do. >> you'll have to make a decision as to how you want to proceed. >> you mean my baby's life or my own? >> yes. >> gray's anatomy revealed what a good story terminal shawn di rhymes is >> i love you in a really, really big pretend to like you don't taste in music, let you eat the last piece of cheese cake, hold a radio over my head outside your window, unfortunately, that makes me hate you love you. so pick me. >> people like sean dra, people are the life blood of broadcast networks and in sean today's case it's fantastic final al woman, person of color is doing this. >> anything that opens doors for more women and more african-americans and more diverse casting and more diverse crew is a good thing. >> shandra stood up and went yes, i'll be a show runner, and

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audience >> how? there is no form of television that makes as much money for the networks as multi-camera tv shows. >> we write a for camera show, write it direct it and perform it and rehearse it like play in front of a studio audience. when someone gets a laugh on that stage, they actually hold as you do not in real life as you do not in single camera, you're holding for that laugh. it's an abstract. >> not abstract enough. >> you done an amazing job. >> look like something what does it look like? >> i think most you can even

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>> two people talking is the essence of a for camera sit com >> lighting is not really an issue, there's no music, that's going to help the material. >> check mate >> no special effects >> again? it's hopefully good work with good actor >> must be him belling to suck on so many different levels >> big bang had this weird hurdle of not only are you fighting the natural fight that every show does about getting an audience trying to stay on the air keep your job,y ada, clear for the fastest man life, this is is why i wanted to have a costume meeting. >> there was a weird wave of energy like you're in a jen that we don't want see this anymore. >> and the emmy goes to, the big bang theory. >> obviously it didn't go away and i believe strongly that the

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anti-vampire terrorist end clave. >> there's monsters all over but the scariest most deadly characters in the whole show. >> half a dead vampire. >> are the human beings. >> show time looked at tony saprano and they said you want an anti-hero? how about a mass murderer, who is the hero of our show? dexter is based on a series of novels about a blood spatter expert who worked for the miami pd secretly a serial killer >> soon you'll be packed into put a few neatly wrapped hefties and my own small corner of the world. will be a neater happier place >> he was raised by a policeman to channel his social pathic impulses to only kill other

killer, so he's a bad guy but also good guy. >> i kill reprehensible people. the idea the show is that you're invited to identify with and maybe even root for a serial killer >> that's right >> he kills horrible people if i were just killing people willy-nilly i think all bets would be off. . >> where is the fun in that? . >> in 2000s, the anti-hero really rose to prominence. >> that's a baby gun, my nephew had the same one >> don't point that there. >> it's nice work hate to see it full holes. >> i think they were popular because they were supervising. >> you're a free woman. he struck a deal? >> the da dropped the charges. thank you. a show for me that was incredibly memorable was

damages. >> now where is the tape >> it really was about following the twisted relationship of patty and ellen. >> what are you looking at it for. >> fraud, conspiracy. obstruction of justice. >> mr. night tells us you might have reasons of your own for wanting to take down ms. hughes. >> yes. i did. >> i was just so taken with the fact that there was this incredibly dark unapologyicly lead character who was a woman. >> i told pete to have you killed. >> it was sort of the beginning of a real emergence of research women on television. >> art.

>> shirked take my last one. is this cab free? are you -- nuts >> i have heard nurse jackie referred to as an anti-hero, at the mercy of had her addiction, that always got her fullest attention. >> what are you looking at. >> beyond that, i think she really cared that there wasn't money in the budget for extra blankets for someone who came in off the street and she would go and steal it from another department whatever, she really wanted to be a good nurse. and she wanted to be married and she wanted these kids and she wanted to be a good wife and mother. >> why do you always have to work? >> yeah. >> and there was no way she could do all of them. >> mommy! >> eddie falco for me can do no wrong, here she is the female

anti-hero that has her own show and she's the ones who morals are questionable because she's having an affair. >> can't talking love you. >> she's stealing drugs and she an unfit mother of all those things yet you feel for her, i love that women now get to be the anti-hero and not just, i know the villain or the good girl. and i think that is something that the decade gave us, which is a move towards television really reflecting what america looks like. looks like. it's where businesses meet great remote talent and remote talent meets great opportunity. back when i had a circular system. . . ♪ ♪ this is how we work now ♪

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happiness. >> he is a master of the universe ad executive in early 19's 60's manhattan but secretly man named dick whitman, stolen the identity of the real john draper during an incident at the korean war, living another man's life but battling his own demons at the same time and we seen him rise and fall over the course of the 1960's. in a lot of ways the most interesting article of the show was peggy oldson's career she goes from a church mouse to a bold career woman he don't knows what to do even during a sexist period for the industry when it was hard for a woman to get anything. >> making can you get me coffee >> no. >> the female characters are great because they represent different aspects of what with my were going through at that time. >> you glide around that office like a magnificent ship. >> i have this incredible

experience of reading the feminine mistook and sex and the single girl in one week and i said this is my show. >> the heros of mad men were the women and the men were obstructions of one kind or another. >> i'm here all day alone with him, out numbered. >> what about carla? doesn't she count >> it's not her job to raise our children. >> it was incorporating the music of the times, the images of the times, the history of the times, and the attitudes of the time. they tell me we'll have to find out what color pan teas are you wearing? >> what? >> who had blue? can i walk you home? mad men had absolutely no nostalgia for the period, showed

that people were jerks and adulters and ka knifers even back in the glory days of the 1960's. >> what are you doing. >> how they communicated the kennedy assassination was actually exactly as it came to pass. >> they drew their pistols but the damage was done. the back seat >> everything stopped nothing seemed important ever again and just so happened to be the weekend that roger's daughter was getting married. to all a big wedding. >> i would put mad men and sapranos in a position of the most important shows in the history of television. i was about to turn 40 and this

is about 2004, two years after the end of the x files, and i was kind of at sea, i wasn't sure what to do next, having trouble getting frankly was having trouble getting employed. >> my buddy tom shnauss had been on the xfiles too and he said i think we should put a meth lab into the back of an rv be see america get dough on the side he has a warped sense of humor. when i heard the idea, i thought to myself, you know, what if i really did that? what would it take? and then i thought, well, i need money really bad why would i need money. >> lung cancer, inoperable. >> we pitch breaking bad to not even a handful of places some liked it some not so much, it had been kind of dead six months a year. >> then i hear hey would you

like to see the folks at amc interested at doing breaking bad. >> surprise. >> when we were making the decision to do breaking bad, we absolutely were looking for an anti-hero show. and we wanted a guy that was going against the grain, that come check this out >> i see it >> come on, take it. >> check it out. walt. >> they always tell you you need to have a good one sentence pitch and i came up with we're going to take mr. chips and turn him into scar face. what we were really going for was change, walter white said it in first hour of the show, electrons they change energy levels, molecules change their bonds. >> breaking bad was a study in change. ♪. ♪ >> the change that happens to

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the best result possible. ♪ call one eight hundred, eight million ♪ while it's tempting to play it safe, the more we're willing to risk, the more alive we are. in the end, what we regret most are the chances we never took. >> there's an old showbiz axiom. you've got to get off the stage before somebody says, "hey, you should get off the stage." ♪ >> endings are hard in general. and i think "the sopranos" was able to accomplish this thing that everybody in television is always trying to accomplish, which is do something that no one has ever seen before.

♪ >> tony is meeting the family at a restaurant, and we're listening to a journey song and watching as one by one the family members come in, and there's these sinister people lurking around. ♪ strangers waiting ♪ >> we were wondering, was tony going to survive this? was tony going to be shot? what was going to happen? >> [ bleep ]. >> they're cutting to meadow parking the car. you know, all these things that are completely normal but they're imbued with this dread. ♪ don't stop believing hold on to that feeling ♪ >> nothing's happening. they're enjoying a family meal, listening to journey. ♪ street lights people ♪ >> and it's building and it's building. ♪ don't stop ♪

>> the long black in which everybody said, did i just lose my hbo signal? what's going on there? i actually thought was kind of like the chord at the end of "sergeant pepper" in which nine pianos just hit this long, long major boooong, and it goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on. that black was sort of like what the series needed in order to communicate the fact that it is now officially over. >> as for "sopranos" creator david chase, he got whacked in the headlines. he got whacked by the "new york post" cartoonist, who showed fans getting whacked. and chase literally got whacked online. >> three or four days later carlton and i were in new york talking to a couple of television critics about how amazing it was. and they're like oh, there's a lot of controversy about the "sopranos" finale. and we're like, what? they're like oh, yeah, some people just absolutely hate it. the whole cut to black, it's pretentious, nobody knows what it means.

they're all discussing whether tony is alive or dead. we're like, those are all the things that make it brilliant! right then we realized we were completely and totally [ bleep ]ed. >> if you've been fortunate enough to be successful, they've gone along for a long ride with you. and the viewer has a through line for every character and the show that you could never possibly have. >> you know i love you, right? more than anything. >> of course, honey. >> so it is a fool's errand to try and please anyone but yourself when you're writing a series finale. >> finales have become increasingly more important. if you don't do a really good finale to a really good series, the series can sort of lose its luster. but "six feet under" comes up

with a perfect ending, and the show is even enhanced a little bit. the end of "six feet under" has the daughter just driving away in the car, and music starts to play. it's sia's "breathe me." and she looks up in the rearview mirror. so she's looking backwards. but then the show looks ahead. ♪ ouch, i have lost myself ♪ ♪ lost myself ♪ >> that season ended, and everybody died. and i thought it was brilliant. >> the work on tv is as good as any work that's on a big screen.

and so that hierarchy of film and television i think has been changed dramatically. partially because of the great work that people did at hbo, and also because of the work they did at a lot of other places. >> i've waited a long time for this. >> coming up as an actor, film was the thing. tv was like less than. >> i said bull [ bleep ]. >> so to suddenly be in an era where we could tell these rich stories -- >> entrance has been gained! >> -- and really create the suspense of them and the trajectory of them. >> get over whatever it is and do your job. >> in ways that maybe we couldn't necessarily in film. i do think that led to where we are now where everybody wants to

be on tv. >> sit down, you guys. >> no! >> no! >> oh, yeah, you can't sit there. >> why not? >> that's where sheldon sits. >> he can't sit somewhere else? >> oh, no, you see, in the winter that seat is close enough to the radiator so that he's warm yet not so close that he sweats. in the summer it's directly in the path of the cross-breeze created by opening windows there and there. it faces the television on the angle that isn't direct so he can still talk to everybody yet not so wide that the picture looks distorted. >> perhaps there's hope for you after all. ♪ welcome to all of you watching here in the united states and around the world.