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cosanostra. he was taken into custody after a raid was carried out by 100 special agents. he had been given already several life sentences in absentia for mafia-related crimes, including two separate bombings that killed prosecutors back in 1992 and the torture and murder of an 11-year-old boy who testified against the mob. he evaded authorities for decades. police even arrested the wrong man in one instance in a case of mistaken identity in trying to nab him. italian police tell cnn that the mob boss is now at a secret location. thank you so much for being here, everyone. i'm kate bolduan. "a.c. 360" starts now. good evening. we begin tonight with new developments in the crash of an airliner in nepal and what video, including from inside the airliner at a key moment could tell investigators about what happened. now, we're not showing that interior video lightly nor in full, only the part that might
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shed light on why this happened. we're also not showing any faces in the frame. in addition to three guests who will be joining us shortly, all experts in aviation and crash investigations, they will be weighing in on what they see in this video. because whatever brought the flight down on approach yesterday to nepal's second largest city likely happened or became unstoppable in those seconds that you'll see. 72 people were above the twin engine european made airliner, at least 68 are known to have died. now, the last video is difficult to watch. the plane in the sky. we should warn you again so is this video inside the plane. the view is out the left side of the aircraft. you see the wings trailing edge. the back side of the wing as the plane starts to bank to the left. in a moment you'll see a white flash where we do an edit. then the plane levels momentarily and then just a few seconds later, it all goes wrong and the plane banking again drops. take a look.
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we have live reporting and a team of experts. ivan watson in hong kong, an aviation analyst is a former transportation inspector general, also cnn safety analyst and former faa safety inspector, david sousi and the retired american airlines captain and co-host of "the candid cockpit podcast." i want to go to ivan watson for the latest reporting. what do we know now about this plane crash. >> reporter: we know the plane was an atr-72 twin engine turbo prop. it was only supposed to be flying a 25-minute flight and the last communication was about 18 minutes into the flight. it crashed into a deep gorge not far from the airport. we've seen this video filmed by
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an eyewitness that shows how quickly the plane banks and then you hear the explosion. it's not even seconds after that moment that you see there. and the video that is so disturbing of the live stream from inside the plane, which was filmed by one of the five indian passengers there, we've been able to confirm it with the gentleman's friend, you can hear the people onboard the plane kind of joking in hindi and then a moment later sounding a little bit more alarmed and then it's all over so very, very and tragically quickly. the black boxes have been recovered. the flight data recorder and the cockpit recorder, and they will be analyzed. the authorities in nepal have called for a five-person investigating committee to report back within 45 days on this. the weather looked good. flying in nepal can be tough on a good day. it's got some of the highest mountains in the world,
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difficult topography, unpredictable climate patterns, but also, anderson, the flight safety record in nepal is not good. no nepali airline is allowed to fly to europe. there's been a blanket ban for nearly ten years. and there's just almost every two years it appears, there's a deadly crash involving commercial airlines in nepal. >> what do we know so far about the victims of the crash, ivan? >> reporter: well, most of them are nepali. there were 72 people on board, four crew members. there were also five indians, four russians, two koreans, an australian, an irishman, an argentinian, a french citizen as well. and condolences have poured in. now, in a tragic twist of fate, the co-pilot of the plane was a woman named anju. she is actually a widow, anderson. her husband was a pilot with the
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same airline, and he died in a crash in 2006. she took insurance money from that and got additional flight training in the u.s. this according to a yeti airline spokesperson, and was one of the crew members aboard this doomed flight. the spokesperson says that she was a brave woman with courage and determination. she's gone too soon. and i think that just underscores the difficulty and the questionable flight record in nepal. >> ivan, stay with us. i want to bring in our panel. the video from inside the cabin of this plane, how critical might it be in helping figure out why this plane went down? we see the video from the ground where you see the plane banking. >> actually it will be very helpful. the ntsb in other crashes has used video from passengers to help solve mysteries of air crashes, particularly where, for example, key parameters are not captured on the black boxes. now here as we look out that
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window and that video is very useful because we can see it does not look like -- now, of course it's a video and it's an odd angle, but it does not look like the flap is fully extended. the flaps give you extra lift when you're landing. investigators will be interested in that because it's possible the black box didn't get the parameter. they would have got the parameter if the flaps were extended to land and you would need to do that, so these videos can be very important. the part that you don't show mercifully was the very end of the crash. you can kind of hear an engine spooling down, at least what i think is an engine spooling down, so we know they had power to at least one engine. so these videos can be very helpful and they are used by investigators. >> les, from your experience from the video inside the cabin, everything seems normal, at least inside the cabin, before the plane seems to bank abruptly to the left. what do you make of this? >> yeah, i mean what mary says is quite true. essentially the investigation team is going to use the arsenal of tools that they have.
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one of them happens to be the unfortunate video that you see inside the cabin. to me, the configuration of the airplane is interesting. it looks like only part of the flaps or partial flaps are down. in other words, they were just initiating the approach configuration. what it says to me is that possibly this airplane got too slow for that configuration and it induced an aerodynamic stall potentially. why that happened, it's hard to say. i mean it's possible -- mary mentioned something about all the engines being operating. it's hard to hear in that audio but it's possible if they lost an engine, they might have added too much power on one side being slow and it might have started that roll and eventually aerodynamic stall. >> david, before i go to you, i want to play that video again from inside. i want to play the audio and just confirm with our translators that people are not panicking so we think the
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soundsound is okay. important for you to hear or investigators to hear to get a sense if people onboard knew anything was wrong. let's just play that again . >> david, the plane that crashed was an atr-72. can you talk about that aircraft? >> it has kind of a sordid history with regard to icing and all things that have happened all the way back to 1996. that model has had some difficulty with icing.
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of course that did not come into play here that i can see. it's so difficult and tragic to watch this, anderson. you can get some information from those videos. but the other thing i noticed from those videos and mary and les had said is that left flap is up higher than you might normally see during approach. the only thing that i can think of, the amount of kinetic energy that is required to make that aircraft bank so quickly is a lot. there has to be something in the air flow or as les mentioned a possible stall. but if that left flap was split, we call that a split flap condition, in which one flap goes lower than the other, it can cause a very dramatic roll because that's a lot of mass out in the air flow to make the aircraft go one direction or the other. of course it's too early to speculate, but this tragic situation, as i said, it's after being on accident sites and going through it, it's quite emotional to have to go through that and see that. but it's necessary. >> david, do you know if that
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aircraft was -- had been used by the airline for a long time? was the actual aircraft itself old? >> i don't really know exactly how old it was, but i do know that they have five different aircraft of that model. the 500 is not that old, it's one of the newer ones of the atr 72 and that's a dash 500 so i don't think it was a terribly old aircraft but it's too early to gather any information at this point, anderson. >> mary, the black box has been founding. >> yes. >> mary, if you could just talk a little bit about what they can find out from that focusing on this left bank that it took, and also there's various governments now involved. the nepalese, the french, the russian authorities. who takes the lead? >> well, by treaty, by statute, by practice, the lead will be the nepalis, but we have learned -- well, various media reports have indicated that the
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french may play a very large role because the plane was manufactured there. the country of manufacture of the aircraft in addition, of course, to the airline and then the third possibility is the accident site. so you have nepal and france for sure and i would suspect that france would play a very big role. they have extremely experienced investigators. most importantly, they have a very good lab that can download those blacks boxes. they have already got them. they probably are in the process right now. and depending upon how many parameters, in other words, how many things those black boxes actually recorded, they may know as soon as tomorrow if both flaps were act waited, if both engines were operating. what the speed was, the pitch of the aircraft was, the angle of attack, if you will. so those black boxes will probably solve a good portion of the mystery but they already collected or are in the process of collecting the maintenance records and information on the pilots. >> as the plane approached the
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airport, the pilot asked for a runway change. why would a pilot ask for a runway change? >> one of the reasons may be just a wind change. they were reported winds at potentially a certain parameter and they prefer to land what looks like to be on runway 12. this is a brand-new airport and the concrete has barely been touched so i'm sure it was obviously in sight but that would be the reason. the other aspect is maybe what caused this was a distraction in the maneuvering to change the runway that they were originally vectored to land on. and it sounds like this request did come from the pilot. >> yeah. i want to thank you all tonight. thank you very much for the limited information that we have. coming up, new developments in the biden classified documents case and whether more searches will be taking place. plus the white house calling out republicans for what they say is hypocrisy. also tonight, a new george santos lie about his college career and new comments from house speaker kevin mccarthy who
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there's new developments tonight in the biden classified documents case. multiple sources familiar with the matter telling us there could be more searches at other locations beyond the private office used by then former vice president biden at his think
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tank and two delaware homes. late today the white house called out house republicans investigating the matter as shamelessly hypocritical. in a moment we'll be joined by former deputy attorney general rod rosenstein weighing in on the case. white house officials saying they are treating this different from the mar-a-lago case. >> it shouldn't matter if it's a republican or democrat, yet you see the double standard on full display. they sure didn't treat donald trump's raid on mar-a-lago that way. in fact not only did they raid mar-a-lago, they leaked photos of those cover pages of those documents. where are those leaked photos? of course you don't see it because there's a double standard. >> we want to know the visitor logs to the residence. we want to know who had access to the biden center for diplomacy, because this is the same type of investigation that the democrats were so outraged and launched and demanded happen to president trump. >> just as a factual matter,
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official visitor logs are not kept at private residences. the former administration ended the practice of publishing logs for the white house, something president biden reinstated. also representative scalise was incorrect. the photos were not leaked, they were released in a court filing. as for pursuing both investigations with equal vigor, who's what congressman comer said back in november when asked about his committee's interest in mar-a-lago. >> i don't know much about that. that's not something that we've requested information just to see what was going on because i don't know what documents were at mar-a-lago. so, you know, that's something we're just waiting to see what comes out in that. >> but is it fair to say that investigation will be a priority? >> that will not be a priority. >> joining us now is rod rosenstein. when then attorney general jeff sessions recused himself. he appointed robert mueller to
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investigate russian interference in the elections. if you were leading this investigation into president biden's classified documents, what key questions do you think need to be answered as soon as possible? >> well, there are a couple of different questions, anderson, that the investigator need to focus on. one, of course, is whether or not president biden was aware that he was in possession of these classified documents. another important question is just how sensitive are these documents? what information is in them? how dangerous would it be to u.s. national security if that information were release. and then of course they'll be interested in who had access to those documents over the past six years. >> how realistic is a potential sitdown interview between doj officials and the president of the united states? >> well, it would depend upon the president's willingness to agree to that sort of an interview. i think in a typical investigation where somebody is found in possession of classified documents, one of the key issues you'd want to know is whether or not they were aware of those documents. if so, what was their understanding of whether they had a legal right to possess those documents. so i would think that if the president were willing to talk, that would certainly be one
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issue the special counsel would want to look into. it wouldn't be the first thing they'd do but certainly on their short list. >> do you think a special counsel was warranted here? >> you know, anderson, i don't know what information attorney general garland had. there had been some preliminary inquiry conducted by u.s. attorney laush and i think it's appropriate to have done that inquiry. presumably when he came to attorney general garland and made his recommendation, it must have been based upon something he founding in his investigation and i don't know what that is. looking at it from the outside, i don't know what information caused them to make that decision. >> you do know that robert hur, he was your top aide and worked on the mueller investigation, how do you think he'll take on this role? >> rob approaches everything with a nonpartisan attitude and with tremendous sense of urgency and commitment to excellence. that was really demonstrated in everything that he did as an assistant u.s. attorney in maryland. as my top aide at doj and as u.s. attorney in maryland. rob has a superb record and he
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has the right experience and expertise to conduct this investigation. >> how do you see the information that so far is available about the documents that then vice president biden had and how the white house has handled it thus far compared to how the former president has handled the dealings with the department of justice and the national archives on the classified documents found at mar-a-lago? >> well, every investigation is unique, anderson. obviously these investigations are on different tracks. president trump's position as i understand it is that he knew he had those documents and he believed he had a right to them. president biden as far as we've heard publicly has not acknowledged that he was aware of the existence of the documents so those are really very different factual scenarios. >> there's also level of cooperation. how do you judge the cooperation of this white house compared to the cooperation of the former administration in the months dealing with the doj and national archives? >> what we're hearing publicly,
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ar anderson, is that the president's team voluntarily produced these documents to the national archives. we're hearing that they're cooperating with the justice department which is what you would wanting the president to do under these circumstances. we don't know how many other documents may be out there, what other searches may need to be conducted. >> president biden's attorneys found the initial batch of documents just six days before the midterm election, notified the archives. the national archives notified the department of justice two days later. should the department of justice have notified the american palm beach -- public prior to the election? >> no, that is not something the department of justice would do. there would be no reason for them to publicize something like this. if the decision were made to publicize this, it would be made by the president and the white house, not by the department of justice. >> appreciate your time. >> you're welcome. coming up next, the george santos saga and specifically what top republicans did and did not know about his lies before voters did. as for the latest about the
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new york congressman's lies himself, there's audio claiming that he played volleyball for baruch college, and he went there on a scholarship. so while we're hearing plenty from new york house republicans on george santos, kevin mccarthy has been largely muted in response to the controversy. what's he saying now. >> a remarkable admission from kevin mccarthy and sort of an understated response to a question from my colleague, melanie zanona. he's now saying he always had questions about george santos' r resume. this comes as the president of a republican super pac expressed concerns about santos' background prior to the election and contacted lawmakers and donors with those concerns. take a listen to the exchange with mccarthy. >> when were you first made aware about some of these allegations around santos? was it before it came out in the
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media? were you given any indication there might be something amiss there? >> on which part? >> any of it. the resume, all the things that he's said. >> i don't know about his resume but had a few questions about it. >> what about the campaign and pretending to be your chief of staff. >> i didn't know that happened. they corrected it but i was not notified about that until a later date. >> did you speak to him about it at all. >> yeah, i didn't know about it until a later date unfortunately. >> anderson, now this just begs the question who knew what and when. house republicans are clearly trying to keep their distance from santos. even those lawmakers who aren't explicitly calling for him to resign, just a handful of those, suggest they have very little appetite to work with him. >> i understand you have new reporting on what santos' constituents are planning? >> yeah. so i have had ongoing conversations with his constituents. the latest that i've heard is that they're working on a
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strategic plan. they're planning to come to washington after the house recess to speak with basically any house republican who will listen to them. they are curious about santos' whereabouts at the present moment. is he going to be in the district at all during the next couple of weeks before they are set to return back to washington? many members are back at home having town halls and other constituent-facing events. that would lead to like a massive spectacle if santos were to do the same. so just wondering what is he going to be doing the next couple of weeks. is he going to answer questions directly from his constituents. i would also say, anderson, don't underestimate the organizing strength of the residents in that district. they are pretty fired up. >> appreciate it, thank you. coming up, we are live at the scene of the single deadliest attack in ukraine in months where we're learning about a missile strike at an apartment complex over the weekend. not that one. that's the one. atat university of phoenix,
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just look around. this digital age we're living in, it's pretty unbelievable. problem is, not everyone's fully living in it. nobody should have to take a class or fill out a medical form on public wifi with a screen the size of your hand. home internet shouldn't be a luxury. everyone should have it and now a lot more people can.
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so let's go. the digital age is waiting. word tonight that a former commander with a notorious russian mercenary unit is seeking alsylum in norway. he escaped. that ex-commander says he feared being executed by sledgehammer. that's how another defector from the group reportedly died. tonight ukrainian president zelenskyy accused russia of a war crime after a missile strike on an apartment building. the attack is one of the single deadliest in the war and the deadliest in months. at least 40 were killed and more than two dozen were missing. our fred pleitgen is on the scene.
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>> reporter: while rescue crews are still sifting through the debris, the chance of finding any more survivors is virtually zero. a gaping hole where dozens of families once lived. as you can see here, this building was completely annihilated all the way down to the ground floor of the the ukrainians say the reason why the damage is so stextensive is that the russians used a cruise missile called a kh-22. that is designed to destroy whole aircraft carrier strike groups. when it hit the building, the building completely collapsed and buried dozens of people underneath. a miracle that anyone survived at all, ukrainian authorities say. katrina zelenska was pulled from the rubble hours after the strike, but her husband and 1-year-old son remain unaccounted for. and this video shows happier times for this family. the father was killed in their
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apartment. their distinctive yellow kitchen, like their family, torn apart by the massive explosion. 50-year-old maria was also killed in the blast. dozens of relatives, classmates and teachers coming to pay their final respects. she was an incredible child, her class teacher said. this is what happened. the kremlin denies its forces were behind the strike and instead claims a ukrainian anti-aircraft missile hit the building. the ukrainians say that simply isn't true and the mayor tells me his city and the country need more western air defense systems. western countries give us air defense systems, he tells me. but unfortunately it's not enough and it comes with delays. more air defense systems are the only thing that can save our civilians in our cities. the ukrainians say they have no chance of stopping this missile that crashed into the
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residential building, killing scores in an instant. >> fred pleitgen is joining us now live. the missile strike was on saturday. dawn will soon break tuesday morning there. is there hope there may still be anybody alive in the rubble? >> reporter: well, there isn't very much, anderson. still the crews here are actually working and they are still searching. i'm going to get out of your way for a second so you can see. in fact right now they're using that crane to work up there in that building. that is actually the kitchen that you just saw with that family in it inside our report. you can see even right here in the middle of the night, it is 3:30 a.m. here, they are still looking and searching. a senior ukrainian official came out just a couple of hours ago and said this will remain a search and rescue operation until everybody is accounted for. nevertheless, they do acknowledge that finding anybody this late in the game would really be a miracle. you can see they are already using this really heavy tech here to work in this area. and the ukrainians have said,
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anderson, that they have already moved away around 8,500 tons of debris in this operation. so this is de facto turning more and more into a clearing operation, even though the ukrainians say that they are going to try and find more people if they can. there are still people who are unaccounted for. at the same time, of course, we are hearing that massive anger from the ukrainian government, from the ukrainian president about this strike, saying that those who are behind it would be brought to justice. you know, i can tell you it is really an imposing sight to see just that gaping hole where a lot of families used to live and all of that of course caused by just one massive missile, anderson. >> if you could have your camera just push back into that shot just to see the work that's continuing to be done right now, we should point out given that it's been two -- more than two days, the temperatures there are freezing cold. so obviously if somebody was in the rubble, that would impact
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the chances of survival. but it's certainly encouraging that they are still out there considering it a search and rescue operation. >> yeah, yeah. it certainly is. and they're certainly still trying. if you look up there, they seem to be doing some work out there that's causing some sparks. i think one of the things they're trying to do right now, they feel that maybe there's some rooms in this building where someone might have been hiding out, where someone may have been unconscious. as you say, with the temperatures the way they have been out here, it's been around freezing pretty much every night and much not higher during the daytime. it would certainly be a miracle to find somebody. but the perseverance is something that we're seeing here that is very, very large, and you do feel that the authorities are doing their best. as we can see here again, 3:30 a.m. in the morning, working around the clock to see if they can make a miracle happen, anderson. >> thank you, appreciate it. coming up, an update on the health of damar hamlin who's
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while attempting a tackle. he suffered cardiac arrest and had to be revived on the field and has made a rapid recovery since. much of the credit for the recovery was given to the speed with which the bills medical staff got him assistance. on saturday our chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta, was in jacksonville for the playoff game there. he got a rare behind-the-scenes look at the nfl's 60-minute medical meeting that happens before every game to prepare for emergencies. >> here's higgins wide open. to midfield. >> when buffalo bills safety damar hamlin went into card iac arrest, the game stopped. but for the emergency response team, everything was just getting started. >> i don't like how he went down. >> we're going to need everybody. all call, all call. >> bring everybody. need airway doctor, everybody. all of yous and get woods out here. >> as rare as this all is, i'm
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going to explain the remarkable chain of event that came together to save damar's life. >> this is -- >> it starts with this. >> what is the eap? >> emergency action plan. >> and that takes place for every game? >> so basically any time or any place that players are going to be active, there has to be an emergency action plan. >> they have been administering cpr. >> the eap has followed to the letter that night. in that moment everybody knew what they needed to do, had the equipment to do it and felt comfortable. >> dr. allen sales is chief medical officer of the nfl. he's giving me a sideline view of the preparedness that goes into every gameday. and once you see this, you will probably never watch a game the same way again. you may have missed this pop-up blue tent. it's on every sideline. >> it's like a medical exam room. now we've kind of made this a medical space, even in the middle of a very busy stadium.
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>> it's just so much easier to do things in here. everybody is more relaxed. you don't have the cameras, you don't have the fans. >> or this, the injury review screen. >> so we can be down here on the sideline and the spotter's booth, if they have seen an injury video, they'll queue it up for us and we can ask them to run it back. >> the spotter's booth. they are the eyes in the sky. >> welcome, welcome. >> thank you. >> so this is another part of our gameday medical preparations. the real goal of this booth is to help spot any injuries or illnesses on the field. it can be hard to see the whole field from down there. probably to me one of the most unique things in sports, the spotter can communicate down to the referee. these people can stop the game. >> so we watch every play probably minimally four times, and then we'll go back and watch it again. and so we just want to make sure
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we don't miss anything. >> it's always about the right people, the right plan and the right equipment. wee almost 30 medical professionals and everyone has a job to do. >> e.r. doctors, orthopedic surgeons, neurosurgeons, paramedics, x-ray techs and airway specialists. >> this is the bag that i carry. it's got a number of things that we could use. the first thing is a portable video la ring scope. we have a port al ultrasound machine and the ability to perform surgical airways. i really have all the resources here that i would have in an emergency room. >> what's the biggest challenge of that scenario versus being in an emergency room? >> well, the biggest challenge is the external environment and the chaos of the situation. when you have a larger than average size person that's laying flat on the ground and not able to be elevated to a certain level with extra equipment, plus cameras and other people around, those are really the confounders and
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things that make it more difficult to manage. >> how does everyone know you're the guy in charge? >> i wear a red hat on the sideline. that signifies me as the emergency physician, the airway physician, so even the other team knows when i come out what my role is. >> every game comes with new lessons. for example, on september 25th, when miami dolphin tua tagovailoa stumbled after a hit, he was allowed back in the game. that won't happen again. >> we changed the protocol earlier this year when you and i spoke to say if we see something that looks like something on video, they're done. >> as teams warm up, there is one final crucial step. >> every time i'm in the operating room, we do something known as a time-out. everyone stops what they're doing and make sure that everyone is on the same page. this is the same sort of thing happening here behind me. it's called a 60-minute meeting. it happens 60 minutes before every game. a chance for all the medical professionals to make sure that
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they know who each other are, to make sure they know who's going to do what if there's some sort of crisis out on the field. >> all right, so let's start with introductions so everybody is familiar with the medical staff that's here at the game. i'm kevin kaplan, orthopedics with the jaguars. >> justin deeton, airway management physician. >> justin is going to be on our 30 yard line. he stands just to our right. if a player goes down, obviously he won't know if it's orthopedic or internal medicine. our call sign is an x. if you need him to come out, he will come out with an x. all of the important equipment, airway, defibrillator, all of the medications are all behind him with our paramedics on our sideline. if a player needs to get taken off of the field, the ambulance will be in the tunnel to your right. if you need anything at all, we'll be out there for you guys if you need us. otherwise, hope we have a safe and healthy game. good luck. >> keep in mind the medical team was able to get to damar hamlin within ten seconds. and speed really matters here.
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every additional minute that someone in cardiac arrest goes without cpr, mortality goes up by up to 10%. >> this is a process that's in place for every single game. and we train in the off-season and just like the players train and practice, we do as well. so i have tremendous confidence, but you always want to see a game with no injuries and you want everyone to frankly be bored on the medical side. that's a good game from my standpoint. >> i hear you. >> sanjay joins me now. so you highlight how in an incident involving the quarterback for the miami dolphins he kept playing after he stumbled. given the nfl spotters an elaborate protocols, how did that happen? >> well, it's very interesting with that particular situation because they saw it and when that happens, when someone goes down, they're looking at what happened from several different angles. and in candor, he probably should have come out at that point. i think that's what most people thought. but there are these no-go criteria, anderson, where they say absolutely if someone has
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these criteria, they're going to not be able to play for the rest of the game. loss of consciousness, confusion, amnesia, something known as an impact seizure. that would be someone that has a seizure obviously, they're not going to be playing. also you remember the fencing response to tua had in a subsequent game four days later where his hands were curling up. that's a no-go criteria as well. but that stumble that you saw, that's the fencing response you see on tv. but the stumble that you saw is something known as ataxia which someone has imbalance. that was way no-go criteria. there have been 50 rule changes in football the last 20 years. it's fundamentally changing probably just about every year. >> dr. sanjay gupta, great. thank you. just ahead, italy's most wanted mafia boss arrested today, on the run for decades.
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hailed the capture of its most wanted man, mafia boss matteo messina denaro, convicted of murders of two prosecutors and the torture and murder of a young boy, the son of a man who gave evidence against the sicilian mob. >> reporter: messina denaro was last seen publicly in 1993 shortly before he went into hiding after he was convicted in absentia for the murders of -- in 1992. police have been searching for him ever since. messina denaro was thought to have led the mob in italy -- who was captured near the infamous
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town in 2006. messina denaro has multiple convictions for murder, including the kidnapping and death of a 12-year-old boy, whose body was dissolved in acid. despite evading police for so long, there was cause for celebration. >> the arrest is a very, very important event. obviously mr. messina denaro is the keeper of secrets in delicate matters, for example, the reasons of the most serious mafia crimes. >> reporter: italy's new prime minister was in pa lair mow to celebrate the spectacular arrest. she said the war against the mar i c mafia is not over, but this was fundamental. and it's a hard hit to organized crime. now the so-called boss of bosses will be held in a high security
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prison, and authorities fear his replacement is likely already on the job. and you know, anderson, when you look at this, authorities are going to be looking at a couple other things. they're going to want to know who was complicit in keeping this man under cover for 30 years. they're going to want to know who protected him. but they're also looking at who's in charge now. that's really important because just because they've got him behind bars doesn't mean there's an end to the criminal enterprise in sicily. >> thank you so much. perspective now on this high profile capture from our chief intelligence john miller. how do you think he's been able to evade authorities? i mean, sicily's pretty small. has he been there the whole time? >> i don't think so. i think he has travelled out of italy and back in, but how? the same way el chapo did for years in mexico and then escaped and then did it again, the same way pablo escobar did it in
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columbia. you have the resources, the money, the support people around you, and the mafia. but you also have the allegiance of some people who romanticize the mafia, but the fear of all of them. so, for the authorities, it's a real challenge getting through all those layers. >> you've been covering the mob since, what, the '70s. >> yeah. >> and it's amazing to me that this stuff is so powerful. there's still a presence in the united states. it's certainly not what it was, certainly not in new york at least. that something can stay on the loose for so long. >> i think if you look at the power of what occurred today in italy, announce bid the national chief of police, lauded in a public statement by the prime minister, this was a big deal because in italy -- and we just talked about columbia, mexico cartel bosses, very well resourced gangsters. you know, there has been a
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tradition going back to the -- well, going way back -- where the question is, who really runs the show? is it the government or is it the mafia? so entrenched, such a driver of fear. and the italian government and the people who work for police and the magistrates have paid a tremendous price for this. >> this guy has gone after and killed others who went against him. >> while he was on the run, he was tried multiple times in absentia, including for the bombing of the magistrates and appro the police officers who were targeting his father, another mob boss, for whom he took over. and then later him. when he allegedly murdered the prosecutors who were targeting his mob family and his father, they couldn't get close enough to them to put a bomb under their car, so they built a massive bomb underneath the highway that they took on the way home and blew up the whole highway, killing the
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prosecutors. but that's the level and determination of violence. and italy has taken that on by determination, courage, and then more courage. >> does this apprehension have ripple effects in the mafia in the united states? >> so, everything that happens in organized crime has a ripple that's felt in new york. denaro's mob family dealt heavily in narcotics. they were hooked up with a subgroup which has an arm in new york city that deals with the gambino family here. so, right now, whether you're talking about in palermo, in rome with the government, what will be the reaction from the mob? will there be more violence? whether you're talking about certain houses in queens new york -- people are watching this closely to see what happens next. >> so fascinating. thank you so much. in a moment, a special
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