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welcome to special edition of "360: the harry interview," the special interview i did with cbs "60 minutes." tonight, the interview and the fallout from it and what harry reveals in his new book, which comes out tuesday. prince harry may have stepped back from his royal duties, but he and his wife, the duchess of sussex, haven't stepped back from the spotlight. now the 38-year-old prince harry is telling his own story in his new memoir, "spare," a nod to his backup role in the line of succession. the book is a stunning break with royal protocol. it's deeply personal, and it's an account of prince harry's decades-long struggle with grief

after the death of his mother, princess diana, and his fractured relationship with his father and his brother, prince william, the heir to his spare. >> you write about a contentious meeting you had with him in 2021. you said, i looked at will, really looked at him maybe for the first time since we were boy, his familiar scowl, his alarming baldness, more advanced than my own, his famous resemblance to mummy that was fading with age. it's pretty cutting. >> i don't see it as cutting at all. my brother and i love each other. i love him deeply. there has been a lot of pain between the two of us, especially the last six years. none of anything that i've written or anything that i've included is ever intended to hurt my family. but it does give a full picture of the situation as we were growing up. and also squashes this idea that

somehow my wife was the one that destroyed the relationship between these two brothers. >> i think so many people around the world watched you and your brother grow up and feel like you two were inseparable. and yet in reading the book, you have lived separate lives from the time your mom died. even when you were in the same school, in high school -- >> sibling rivalry. >> -- your brother told you, pretend we don't know each other. >> i couldn't make sense of it. we're at the same school. i haven't seen you for ages. now we get to hang out together. he was like, no, no, no. at school, we don't know each other. i took that personally. you hit the nail on the head. we had a very similar traumatic experience. and then we -- we dealt with it two very different ways. >> william tried to talk to uh-ohyou occasionally about your mom, but

as a child, you couldn't respond. >> for me it was never a case of, i don't want to talk about it with you. i just don't know how to talk about it. i never thought talking about it with my brother or with anybody else at that point would be therapeutic. >> in august 1997, harry and william were vacationing in scotland with their father. harry was 12, william, 15. they were asleep at balmoral castle on august 31st, when harry was awakened by his father, who told them his mother had been in a car crash in paris. >> in the book, you write, they tried darling boy, she didn't make it. these phrases remain in my mind like darts on a board. >> did you cry? >> no. i never shed a single tear at that point. i was in shock. 12 years old, 7:00, 7:30 in the morning, your father comes if had and puts his hand on your knee and tells you there's been

an accident. and i couldn't believe. >> you write in the book that pa didn't hug me. he wasn't great at showing emotions under normal circumstances, but his hand did fall once more on my knee. and he said, it's going to be okay. but after that, nothing was okay for a long time. >> no, nothing -- nothing was okay. >> harry says his memories of the next few days are fragmented. but he does remember this, greeting mourners outside kensington palace in london the day before his mother's funeral. >> when you see those videos now, what do you think? >> i think it's bizarre because i see william and me smiling. i remember the guilt that i felt. >> guilty about? >> the fact that people that we were meeting were showing more emotion than we were showing, maybe more emotion than we even felt. >> they were crying but you weren't. >> it was a lot of tears. i talk about how wet people's hands were. i couldn't understand at first. >> their hands were wet.

>> their hands were wet from wiping their own tears away. i do remember one of the strangest parts do it was taking flowers from people and then placing those flowers with the rest of them, as if i was some sort of middle person for their grief. and that really stood out for me. >> the funeral on a cool september morning was watched by as many as 2.5 billion people around the world. perhaps the most indelible image, prince harry and his brother walking behind their mother's casket on its way to westminster abbey. >> what do you remember about that walk? >> how quiet it was. i remember the occasional wail and screaming of someone. i remember the horses on the road. the bridles of the horses, the gun carries, the wheels, the occasional gravel stone underneath your shoe. but mainly the silence. >> after the service, princess diana's body was brought for

burr bure y'all to her family's ancestral estate. >> once my mother's coffin went into the ground, that was the first time i cried. there was never another time. >> all through your teenage years, you didn't cry about it. >> no. >> you didn't believe she was dead. >> for a long time, i just refused to accept that she was gone. part of -- you know, she would never do this to us, but also part of, maybe this is all part of a plan. >> i mean, you really believed that maybe she had just decided to disappear for a time. >> for a time and that she would call us and we were going to join her. >> how long did you believe that? >> years. many, many years. william and i talked about it as well. he had similar thoughts. >> you write in the book, you say, i'd often say it to myself first thing in the morning, maybe this is the day. maybe this is the day that she's going to reappear. >> yeah. hope. i had huge amounts of hope. >> he held onto that hope into adulthood. when harry was 20, he asked to see the police report about the

crash that killed his mother, her boyfriend, and their driver, while they were being pursued by paparazzi in a paris tunnel. >> the files contain photographs of the crash. why did you want to see it? >> mainly proof. proof that she was in the car. proof that she was injured. and proof that the very paparazzi that chased her into the tunnel were the ones obtaining photographs of her lying half dead on the backseat of the car. >> you write, i hadn't been aware before this moment, talking about pictures of the crash scene, that the last thing mummy saw on earth was a flashbulb. that's what you saw in the pictures. >> pictures showed the reflection of a group of photographers taking photographs through the window. and the reflection of the window was them. >> he only saw some of the crash photos. his private secretary and adviser dissuaded him from looking at the rest. >> all i saw was the back of my

mom's head slumped on the backseat. there were other, more gruesome photographs, but i will be eternally grateful to him for denying me the able to inflict pain on myself by seeing that. because that's the kind of stuff that sticks in your mind forever. >> harry says he believed his mother might still be alive until he was 23 and visited paris for the first time. >> you told your driver, i want to go to the tunnel where my mom died. >> i wanted to see whether it was possible, driving at the speed that henry paul was driving, that you could lose control of a car and plow into a pillar, killing almost everybody in that car. i need to take this journey. i need to ride the same route. >> the same tunnel, the same speed. >> all of it. >> your mother was driving. >> because william and i had already been told the event was like a bicycle chain.

if you remove one of the chains, the end result wouldn't have happened. the paparazzi chasing was part of that, but everybody got away with it. >> he and his brother weren't satisfied by london's metropolitan police concluding henry paul had been drinking and that the crash was a, quote, tragic incident. >> william and i considered reopening the inquest because there were so many gaps and so many holes in it it didn't add up. >> would you still like to do that? >> i don't even know if that's an option. would i like to do that? that's a hell of a question, anderson. >> do you feel you need to have the answers to what happened to your mom? >> truth be told, no. i don't think my brother does either. i don't think the world does. do i need any more than i already know? no. i don't think it would change much.

>> harry now says it wasn't until he served in combat with the british army in afghanistan that he finally found purpose and a sense of normalcy. >> my military career saved me in many regards. >> how so? >> got me out of the spotlight from the uk press. i was able to focus on a purpose larger than myself, to be wearing the same uniform as everybody else, to feel normal for the first time in my life, and accomplish some of the biggest challenges i ever had. i was trying to fly an apache helicopter pilot. there's no prince auto pilot button you can press and it just takes you away. i was a really good candidate for the military. i was a young man in my 20s suffering from shock, but i was now in the front seat of an apache shooting at flying air, monitoring radios simultaneously, and being there to save and help anybody that was on the ground with a radio

screaming, we need support, we need air support. that was my calling. i felt healing from that, weirdly. >> and that multitasking, the brain work of that, that felt good to you. >> it felt like i was turning pain into a purpose. i didn't have the awareness at the time that i was living my life in adrenaline. and that was the case from age 12 from the moment that i was told my mom had died. >> you say war didn't begin in afghanistan. it began in august 1997. >> yeah, the war fe m unknowingly, was when my mum died. >> who were you fighting? >> myself. i had had a huge amount of frustration and blame towards the british press for their part in it. >> even at 12, that young, you were feeling that toward the british press? >> yeah, it was obvious to us, as kids, the british press' part in our mother's misery.

and i had a lot of anger inside of me that luckily i never expr expressed. i resulted to drinking heavily because i wanted to numb the feeling or i wanted to distract myself from whatever i was thinking. and i would result to drugs as well. >> harry admits he smoked pot and used cocaine and writes that in his late 20s, he felt hopeless and lost. >> there was this weight on my chest that i felt for so many years. i was never able to cry. so, i was constantly trying to find a way to cry. but in even sitting on my sofa and going over as many memories as i could muster up about my mum. and sometimes i'd watch videos online. >> of your mum. >> of my mum. >> hoping to cry. >> yep. >> and you couldn't? >> i couldn't. >> he sought out help from a therapist for the first time seven years ago and reveals he's

tried experimental treatments. >> you write in the book about psychedelics. >> i would never recommend people doing this recreation nally. but doing it with the right people, if you are suffering from a huge amount of loss, grief, or trauma, then these things have a way of working as a medicine. >> they showed you something. what did they show you? >> for me, they cleared the wind screen, the windshield, the misery of loss. it cleared away this idea that i had in my head that my mother, that i needed to cry to prove to my mother that i missed her. when in fact, all she wanted was for me to be happy. >> we'll continue part two of my interview shortly. but first joining us now, mags max foster, kate williams, and bonnie greer, noted author, play wright, and deputy chair of the british museum. max, let's start with you. this is a two part interview we did with "60 minutes," and one

of the reasons we wanted to start with the focus on princess diana and the experience of her death for harry is in reading the book -- and it's 460 pages -- it is, yes -- people are going to be paying most attention to all the revelations and the inside information that he's giving out, the break protocol with the royal family, information he's telling about the royal family, which we'll show shortly. but for me, i mean, this is such a memoir about loss and about grief and about the devastating impact of childhood trauma, the death of his mom, which played out, obviously, on a global scale. and it's extraordinary to me how the life that he lived is so different than -- or his perception of himself and perception of his life is so different than the world perception of what his life and his inner life must have been like growing up. i find that sort of dichotomy

interesting. >> yeah. and it's where we all connect with harry, isn't it, that image of him walking behind the coffin and that utter sympathy you have for that young boy and how he was so deeply affected. as you explored effectively, this is a historic part of the interview because it was a global event defining for the uk in modern history. and you see him behind the coffin and you tried to get a sense of what that was like. and you've given that -- you've shown, brought that out. so, it's incredibly powerful. and these images are seared on the world's consciousness. and then, you know, you explore this part of the -- he didn't -- he wondered if she was still alive, and he didn't really believe she was dead until he saw the photos. then he sees the paparazzi around the body. and this is utterly defining, as you explore later in the interview, how from that moment i don't know wards he's at war

with the media. it's not just the photographers, it is the news desks commissioned by the photographers. >> kate, i wonder what you thought of this side of harry, how much was new to you? does it inform at all the way some of what is happening now? >> yeah, anderson, it was heartbreaking to hear him talk about his mother's death. i was so moved. he said he get guilty because he couldn't cry. i remember being out there with the droud and everyone was weeping. the tears were falling. you were out there as a reporter. the grief was cataclysmic. and harry and william, the greatest right to grieve at all, he couldn't cry, he felt so guilty. i was so moved about him talking about his feelings, and how he's speaking out. his book has been three things for me, a portrait of a very dysfunctional family. there are relationships with the

press in this dysfunctional family. but most of all a portrait of a young boy losing his mother at a young age and very little support within the family and expected to play this role on the world stage. when he said, my war began in 1997, that was a stunning revelation and went to the heart of why he is still suffering the loss of his mother and how much the press had a role in that. >> bonnie, the idea of how much we know about the people we think we know in public life, you know, how they see their lives. their inner life is so completely opposite from what people imagine it would be. >> well, anderson, this family is a little bit more than, you know, celebrities. i mean, they are constitutional elements of this country. the head of the family is the constitutional head of state. his oldest is also in the constitution, and the oldest after that are also in the constitution.

so, they become much more than a prominent family. they're actually the fabric of the country. and, you know, i can remember -- i mean, i remember when charles and diana brought harry out and the day he was born. and watching this jolly little redheaded boy who always had a smile on his face, until that day when he was made to walk behind that coffin, which was barbaric, but also keeping in the tradition of this family, which is more than a family. they are the state. so, that is the issue i think that the british people are going to have to come to grips with. and i think it's what harry, in which you showed in that brilliant interview -- harry is challenging this. and this is really the conflict and the clash is going to come in the british body politic. >> it's also interesting, max, this whole notion of the heir and the spare. it's been in tabloid head lines,

kind of rhymes, it's obviously tabloid catnip. prince charles -- and i asked this to harry. we didn't include it in the interview. but prince charles is famously rumored to have said to diana after harry's birth, i've done my job. i've given you an heir and a spare and my job is done. i asked if he thought that was a true story. he said based on the sources, he thought it was true but probably also meant as a joke. that heir and spare dynamic, it pops up throughout the book and throughout the relationship between prince william and prince harry. we all have this idea that -- or at least, you know, if you see a lot of the covers in the british tabloids since the whole rift, the argument is that meghan was the cause of that. and i don't know what degree that is true. from what prince harry is saying in his book, and he documents

this, is from the time diana died, they lived two very separate lives and dealt with that grief in separate ways. it's like they were in separate paths and part of that is the heir and spare dynamic. >> what charles said there is the brutal reality, isn't it? this is a monarchy. it's built on a hierarchy. and harry spoke to you about that. and by any definition, you know, there are more senior people in the hierarchy. if you don't like the hierarchy, you don't like monarchy. harry, of course, says he does believe in monarchy. i think that is the reality. i think what william's side would say is that they did everything they could to make harry not feel like a spare. they elevated him. they have something called the royal foundation, where they work together. initially harry and william. and that was done for all of their charities. and i think william felt that he was elevating what would be a traditional role for a spare. a spare would, in the past, just be invisible and brought in if

they're needed. i think harry really struggled with that. it was the treatment from william he felt he received as well, always being made to feel like a spare. and ultimately when he found meghan and she wasn't happy with the situation either, they came together and realized they couldn't do this any longer. >> kate, one of the things that harry talks about is that his being dubbed the spare in his role as the spare, he felt he was more vulnerable to the british press than others in the royal family. he was essentially expendable, and that particularly comes into play when he is making the argument that other members of the royal family, as we'll see in the next part of the interview in particular, now the queen consort camilla, he says, was essentially throwing him under the bus. he was one of the bodies left in the street, as she had a relationship with the british community. >> yes, i think that is exactly what harry is saying. harry feels he was the sca

scapegoat, that many of the royals used him to deflect from their own problems, their own insecurities, and the bad stories about them. and particularly, just as you say, he talks about camilla. he was seen as a villain and needed to rehabilitate her image. and by doing that was pushing forward negative stories. as the spare, he is expendable. i thought you brought this out so cutely in the interview, the grief he suffered, the isolation he suffered, but also as this spare, the title of the book, that very structure -- i think even though he says he supports the monarchy, he does blame it for so much of what went wrong. we have a situation in which one child gets everything and all the attention. and the next child not only gets nothing but also is sold out to the press. and that is why he was so unhappy. and that is why felt he had to leave. and i think it really raises questions about this structure of monarchy, spare and heir. they don't expect to be a backup

royal. maybe that's the way we have to go. it's not humane the way it is at present. >> we've got to take a short break. we'll have more with max and kate. part of my interview you didn't see last night. i asked harry why he didn't make mention of the headline, oprah winfrey. also ahead, part two of the interview, harry tells me why he called his step mother, camilla, quote, dangerous. >> you wrote, i even wanted camilla to be happy. maybe she'd be less dangerous if she was happy. how was she dangerous? >> because of the need for her to rehabilitate her image. >> that made her dangerous? >> that made her dangerous because of the connections she was forging within the british press. so when fresh mozzarella melts over it... that detail... will be big. try the new toasted baguettes from panera. one dollar delivery fee on our app. ♪ i gotta good feeling about this, yeah ♪ ♪ i'm with it ♪

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it's a dynamic suite of trading platforms designed for every kind of trader. so no matter how you like to trade, there's a thinkorswim® platform for you. welcome back to this special edition of "360." harry's memoir is "spare" and anything but spared and it's anything but flattering for the royal family and queen consort. she married then prince charles in 2005. when princess diana famously referred to camilla as the third person in their marriage, the tabloids ran with it and harry never forgot it. >> she was the villain. she needed to rehabilitate her

image. >> you and your brother directly asked your dad not to marry camilla. >> yes. >> why? >> we didn't think it was necessary. we thought it was going to cause more harm than good. and that if he was now with his person, that surely that's enough. why go that far when you don't necessarily need to? we wanted him to be happy, and we saw how happy he was with her. so, at the time, it was, okay. >> you wrote that she started campaigning in the british press to pave the way for a marriage. and you wrote, i even wanted camilla to be happy. maybe she'd be less dangerous if she was happy. how was she dangerous. >> because of the need to rehabilitate her image. that made her dangerous because of the information she would trade with the press. with her being on the way to

being queen consort, there were going to be people and bodies left in the treat because of that. >> harry says over the years, he was one of those bodies. he accuses camilla and even his father at times of using him or william to get better tabloid coverage for themselves. prince harry writes, camilla, quote, sacrificed me on her personal pr altar. >> if you are led to believe as a member of the family that being on the front page, having a positive headline, positive story written about you, is going to improve your reputation or increase the chances of you being accepted as monarch by the british public, then that's what you're going to do. >> in his book, harry writes when he introduced meghan markle to his family in 2016, his father initially took a liking to her. but william was skeptical, disdainfully referring to meghan as an american actress. though harry doesn't specify who, he says other members of the royal family were uneasy as well. >> they didn't even have a

chance to get to know her and the uk press jumped on that. >> and what was that based on, that mistrust? >> the fact she was american, an actress, divorced, black, biracial with a black mother. those were just four of the typical stereotypes that becomes a feeding frenzy for the british press. >> but all those things within the family also were sources of mistrust. >> yes, you know, my family reads the ftabloids. you know, it's laid out at breakfast when everyone comes together. whether you walk around saying you believe it or not, it's still leaving an imprint in your mind. if you have that judgment based on a stereotype right at the beginning, it's hard to get over that. and a large part of it for the family but also the british press and numerous other people is like, he's changed. he she must be a witch. he's changed. as opposed to, yeah, i changed, and i'm really glad i changed. because rather than getting

drunk, falling out of clubs, taking drugs, i had now found the love of my life, and i now have the opportunity to start a family with her. >> soon after, their relationship became public, harry insisted on putting out a statement condemning some of the tabloid coverage of meghan and what he called, quote, the racial undertones. >> you write your dad and brother william were furious with you for doing that. why? >> they felt as though it made them look bad. they felt as though they didn't have a chance or weren't able to do that for their partners. what megahan had to go through was similar to kate and camilla. very similar circumstances. then you add in the race element, which is what the british press jumped on straight away. i was incredibly naive. i had no idea the british press was so bigoted. i was probably bigoted before the relationship with meghan.

>> you think you were bigoted before the relationship with meghan? >> i don't know. put it this way, i didn't see what i now see. >> they were married in may 2018 in a ceremony that seemed to promise a more modern and inclusive royal family. and given the titles duke and duchess of sussex. but behind the scenes, according to harry, william's mistrust of meghan only worsened. >> did you ever try to meet with william and kate to try to diffuse the tension? >> yep. >> how did that meeting go? >> not particularly well. >> in early 2019, harry writes the ranker between william and him exploded on the grounds at kensington palace. >> your arguments with your brother became physical. >> it was a buildup of frustration, i think, on his part. it was at a time where he was being told certain things by people within his office. and at the same time, he was

consuming a lot of the tabloid press, a lot of the stories. and he had a few issues, which were based not on reality. and i was defending my wife, and he was coming for my wife. she wasn't there at the time. but the things he was saying, i was defending myself, and we moved from one room into the kitchen. and his frustrations were growing and growing and growing. he was shouting at me. i was shouting back at him. it wasn't nice. it wasn't pleasant at all. and he snapped, and he pushed me to the floor. >> he knocked you over. >> he knocked me over. i landed on the dog bowl. >> you cut your back. >> yeah, i cut my back. i didn't know at the time. he apologized afterwards. it was a pretty nasty experience. >> he asked you not to tell anybody, not to tell meghan. >> yeah, and i wouldn't have until she saw on my back. she was like, what's that? i didn't know what she was

talking about. i look in the mirror. i was like [ bleep ] because i hadn't seen it. >> meghan has said constant criticism and pressure led her in the winter of 2019 to contemplate suicide. >> the thing that terrifies me the most is history repeating itself. >> you really feared that your wife, meghan -- >> yes, i feared a lot the end result, the fact that i lost my mum when i was 12 years old could easily happen again to my wife. >> in january 2020, prince harry and meghan announced they intended to, in their words, step back as senior members of the royal family. they moved to california three months later. then there was the headline grabbing interview with oprah winfrey and a deal with netflix worth a reported $100 million. critics say the duke and chuch es are cashing in on their royal titles while they still can. >> why not renounce your titles as duke and duchess? >> what difference would that make? >> one of the kritisms you've

received is fine, you want to move to california. you want to step back from the institutional role. why be so public? why reveal conversations you've had with your father or with your brother? you say you've tried to do this privately. >> and every time i've tried to do this privately, there have been briefings and leakings and planting of stories against me and my wife. the family motto is never complain, never explain. it's just a motto. >> there's a lot of complaining and explaining. >> in private. >> being done through leaks. >> through leaks. >> prince harry continues he would never leak against his family. >> so, now trying to speak a language that perhaps they understand, i will sit here and speak truth to you with the words that come out of my mouth rather than using someone else, an unnamed source, to feed in lies or narrative to a tabloid

media that literally radicalizes its readers to then potentially cause harm to my family, my wife, my kids. >> last month, the british tabloid, "the sun," published a vicious column about meghan written by a tv host. >> it said, i hate her. at night i'm unable to sleep because i dream of the day she is made to walk naked through the streets of every town in britain while the crowds chant shame and throw excrement at her. did that surprise you? >> did it surprise me? no. is it shocking? yes. thank you for proving our point. >> has there been any response from the palace? >> no. and there becomes a point when silence is betrayal. >> a lot to talk about. there's a lot of issues there to talk about, the issue of camilla, which is probably one of the big allegations made in this book. but bonnie, i just want to bring

up something that wasn't included in the "60 minutes" interview though. it took part in the interview. it was played on cbs mornings this morning. i asked harry about a comment that meghan, the duchess of sussex, had made to oprah winfrey in that headline making interview when they first came to the united states before the netflix show. and she had said that a member of the family had -- of harry's family -- had expressed concerns, there had been conversations about the potential skin color of their first child. i want to play -- they didn't go any further in that interview. it became a huge story. i want to play -- i asked harry about it. >> in your interview with oprah, probably one of the most explosive claims came from meghan, was that a member of the royal family, how dark your child's skin would be.

that wasn't brought up in netflix or in the book. why? >> the way the british press reacted to that was fairly typical. there was, like, a hunt for the royal racist. neither of us believe that comment or that experience or that opinion was based in racism. unconscious bias, yes. but i think that you speak to the majority of mixed race cup ms around the world that the white side of the family would wonder whether talking openly about it or amongst themselves what the kids are going to look like. the keyword here was concern as opposed to curiosity. but the way that the british press, what they turned it into, what has -- not what it was. >> but you stand by that happened but you just didn't feel the need to -- >> but what else did i say at the end of -- with the oprah interview.

>> that you would not discuss it further. >> okay. >> how he framed that. obviously got huge publicity at the time, there was no mention of it in his book. >> you know, i saw it, and you remember oprah's reaction was, like, what? and the whole world stopped. and meghan looked like she was about to cry. so, you know, we have to take that as very serious. and maybe even deliberate. and then harry kind of implies that maybe it wasn't. so, you know, how do you take this? the other thing i want to say that i didn't get a chance to say about "spare," anderson, there's no way that a person who's royal on one side and high nobility on the other would be surprised about being called a spare. the second son is a norm in aristocratic and royal circles.

henry 8 roberviii was a second . harry was a spare. he went to school with a bunch of spares. the issue was there was no space for this man to be who he is in this particular family. and that's the crisis. and we can see that when he's walking behind his mother's coffin on that day. that is a crisis. and it's a crisis not just for harry. it's a crisis for the british people. they have to make some decisions about this family. frankly, i've lived here a long time, half my life, and every decade, there's something about the royal family that's going on. every decade. and i think the british people are going to have to make a decision about this because the head of the family is the constitutional head of state. his eldest is the constitutional and his eldest is constitutional. everybody else is the spare.

so, you know, we need to actually -- this has to be in the hands of the british people to actually understand what's going on here and deal with it because this can't keep going on. >> max, you know, you hear prince harry talk about his relationship with the queen consort camilla. that's really, in the book, some of his toughest perspective is about her. >> yeah. for me, that was seismic. you know, and he actually -- it's interesting. through that story and your part of the interview how he lets on charles quite lightly there. he has throughout the whole of the book. the reality is the last 20 years or so, charles has driven this effort to rehabilitate camilla's image. and harry n that interview, in the book, is literally blow torching that, saying that she's dangerous and she was leaking stories, and that was undermining other members of the royal family. but charles was part of that as well, has been part of that. there's no way she could have

gone through that process of working with the media. >> i should point out harry does hint at that, does talk about that, his perspective on it in the book. there's more detail on it in the book. he talks about one incident when harry was in high school and there are all these stories about alleged drug use. harry was, i believe, smoking pot, but many of the details weren't true that were being reported. and he believes a decision was made by the spin doctors that were employed by his father and by camilla essentially to not -- if not green light those stories, not try to squash them or in some way try to minimize them because they were convinced or told by their spin doctor that those stories would make them look -- would make prince charles look better. he would suddenly go from being the villain in the story who had been terrible to his former wife

to being a bleegerred dad with a drug addaled son. >> reality is they do protect the more senior members of the family, not necessarily campaign against the junior members of the family. but the crying incident -- this is gone into folklore. who made who cry? meghan or kate -- over the bridesmaid dress just before the wedding. it's quite defining. none of us know who made who cry. the story in the papers was meghan made kate cry. and meghan and harry are really precipitous about that saying it wasn't that way around, it was the other way around, but the palace wouldn't address that because it would be more negative for kate. that really frustrates meghan and harry. my experience was when i worked for william's side of the palace, they would often -- they were working with the sussex's as well. they were constantly talking about the racism and the sexism

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more now on my interview with prince harry last night on krbs' "60 minutes." we pick up our conversation with the death of the queen. harry finds himself this time behind his grandmother's casket. >> harry has been back in the united kingdom, last september for a charity event when the palace announced his grandmother, the queen, was under medical supervision. >> i asked my brother, what are your plans? how are you and kate getting up there? and then a couple hours later, you know, all the family members that lived within the windsor area were jumping on a plane together, a plane with 12, 14, maybe 16 seats. >> you were not invited on that plane. >> i was not invited. >> by the time harry got to

bal balance maj on his own, the queen was dead. i was like, you know what, you can do this. you need to say good-bye. so, i went upstairs, took my jacket off, and walked in and just spent some time with her alone. >> where was she? >> she was in her bedroom. i was really happy for her because she'd finished life. she'd completed life. and her husband was waiting for her and the two of them are buried together. >> as they had 25 years earlier, harry and william found themselves walking together but apart, this time behind their grandmother's casket. >> do you speak to william now? do you text? >> currently, no. but i look forward to -- i look forward to us being able to find peace. >> how long has it been since you spoke? >> we haven't spoken for quite

awhile. not recently. >> can you see a day when you would return as a full-time member of the royal family? >> i can't see that happening. >> in the book, you call this a full scale rupture. can be healed? >> yes, the borders very much in the court. but make enough to take to say that we will not openly apologize for anything that we did wrong. can we ask that question, no one is telling us the specifics, or anything. there needs to be constructive conversation. one that could happen in private that doesn't get leaked. >> i assume they would say, how can we trust you, how do we know they are not going to recorded conversations we have and tell them an interview somewhere? >> this all started with them briefing daily i get my wife with ties to the point where my wife and i had to run away from my country.

>> it is hard, i think, right about to imagine a family dynamic that is so game of thrones with that dragons. >> i don't game of thrones, but there's definitely dragons. that's, again, the third party which is a british press. ultimately, without the british press part of this. we probably will be a fairly dysfunctional family. but, at the heart of it. there is a family. without question. and our look for to having that family element back, i look for to having a relationship murmur they're, with my father, and other members of my family. >> you want that? >> it's all of a risk for. >> six men's reach out to buckingham palace for comment. but this interview that representatives demanded before even consider responding, 60 minutes provide the report prior to airing it last night which is something the broadcasts does. back now with max, kate, and body. so, kate, obviously the royal family would like to avoid a public-for-tat with prince harry. they have not responded.

i assume they probably won't given that this is probably the worst in terms of the attention, coverage, and revelations to come. what happens now >> henderson, they are certainly not going to respond. they say they and it's interesting, isn't it, because hire saying that never explains, never complain, just a motto. and as you are saying, there's an awful lot of complaining, and explaining behind the scenes. so, maricopa said thing officially, we have sources briefed in the newspaper that they're devastated, that will humans angry, that there won't be a role for her in the coronation. so there are sources who harry, of course, would say comes from buckingham palace itself. the sources are anonymous briefing at the moment it looks very much as if there can't be a reconciliation. there was a big distance between them and harry said we haven't spoken because our dragons of the family. the price, he said, harsh that the press wanted them to stay

apart. they be terrified by peace between them. so there needs to be this huge investment to keep him apart. and harry season about to continue. so i don't see a happy family reconciliation in time soon. but i certainly think that harry feels that he's been damage so much already that this is not burning bridges, it is honesty, and he's telling his truth. >> body, what do you think happens now >> well, this is the story of a human being caught in a machine. the royal family and kate have implied and said, it is a machine. and it is grinding along. and harry has said halt. so, it is halted but it's still going to struggle, if there is a coronation it's going to be fascinating. but harry thelma story that has to be told, his mother started it. he's gonna finish it. so, in that sense. spare and your interview with him is very very important. because we are getting a look

at the vicious nasty tablets. we don't have an equivalent of that anywhere. there's no equivalent. how meghan was label. so, this guy i hope he does, and hope the british people in this great country, also begin to look at this machine because it is not doing, i don't think so in the country in a good. it from attacks driver said he wanted the royal family to stay because of its continuity. >> max, it is interesting the palace -- privately and offering up people who will say things that they want to be said. i haven't had that, there's been a bit of in the paper. not sure what's coming from. not to say anything here, to

allow harry to have it all out. and perhaps to rise above it. i don't really know. i'm a bit more hopeful than the other two, only because things are so bad that it can't getting worse. he's proven the cal middle rule he's really private moments. he's exposed. you, know moments of the phillips funeral. the queen's funeral, you would not talk about this by the family. he feels he has to do that. it is so bad and it will only get better. in the future, coming look at this and say. well, that this all out there now much will try to fix things. i know it's gonna happen anytime soon, i'm only hopeful can get better. >> he said that the ball is in the score. to the need be conversations. because he said the original first on the table. the partial role for him. he didn't say full-time, or it is like to see a partial roll, but obviously that needs to be a lot of conversation before that. >> charles needs to be the king, and actually take a send offer

up. he wants to chases institution, that's what he needs to do. >> monograph, max foster, kate williams appreciate all of the thank you so much. cnn tonight, with laura coats is an expert after a short break.

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