well good evening everyone, i am laura coats and this is cnn tonight. you are looking live at the white house and it is in turmoil. multiple sources tell cnn there could be even more searches at even more locations after more classified docks work found at the presidents one-time private office, more found in his home at wilmington in the white house counsel's office has an important point. the white house counsel's office is disclosing just this

weekend that an additional five pages of classified material has also been found in wilmington. and, president biden is getting frustrated by the way his administration is handling all this, it is over ciattarelli -- his white house in recent times, at least since the red wave had not materialized. and the mood among his aides tonight is described as it is what it is. not sure what that means but it is what it is apparently this evening. we will talk about what that really means as they wait to see if yet another shoe drops. meanwhile, there is the congressman john santos. kevin mccarthy says that he has always had questions about the congressman's resume which of course, if he has always had content questions, it raises another question of why he didn't do anything about it earlier. has another apparent whopper, surfaces from santos who lied about his resume, his education apparently even now volleyball. >> you know it is funny i, actually went to school on a volleyball scholarship.

>> you did! >> i did. -- very cool, great institution, very liberal but good. i sacrifice both my knees and got very nice knee replacements -- playing volleyball. that is how serious i took the game. >> hon. now i am truly, i'm not a surgeon, i am a lawyer -- . but what are the odds that you had double knee replacements playing volleyball for school you actually never attended? not wonderful odds in your favor. let's talk tonight about all of this, cnn senior law enforcement and former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe, he is also the author of the threat, how the fbi protects america in the age of terror and trump. also legal analyst and former house judiciary special counsel and trump's first impeachment trial and former ambassador norm eisen and white house correspondent arlette saenz. i'm so glad you are all here, don't worry we are not going to talk about the knee surgery right now or knee replacement,

we have other things to discuss including what is happening in the white house. i have to begin with you, arlette, because you know when you think about all of the things that are trickling out, dripping in dropping and it is not just a one and. what is the frustration for biden? is it they didn't get out and ahead of it, people are paying attention to this, are you getting sense of? it >> the white house struggled from the beginning from stopping this from mushrooming into the crisis that it has become. sources have told us that basically the president has become frustrated with the fact of how exactly this is all unfolding. cutting into this year, the white house and president biden were riding high. they felt like they had a lot

of momentum going their way and he is getting closer to a decision about the 2024 launch. but now these classified documents have completely consumed the conversation. the president has some frustration with the fact that it is overtaking, and that his administration is allowed it to overtake the new cycle. today as he returns to the white house, he really ignored questions about it. take a listen. >> the special counsel -- [inaudible] >> there he is. they are sending question adamant he is not answering them. he is probably trying to get far way from this moment. you mentioned the idea i think about frank's not sure, riding high and april and shut down in may. these the dates we are talking about. look at this full screen everyone. the timeline that is here, this is why there is the frustration. there's the idea of the election somewhere in there, talk me a little bit about this

timeline as to you know, why it is, they started answering questions about why we are just learning about this now. >> it was just a week ago today that the first news came out. it was never revealed by the white house, it was revealed by media reports. in the white house came out and acknowledge they had found the personal lawyer and found personal documents let's go on november 2nd penn biden center. wasn't until later in the week we start to learn more about the fact that these documents were also found at the presidents residence up in wilmington and delaware, in the garage where he said they were locked next to the corvette and then in the adjacent room next to the garage. then merrick garland wherein he knelt special counsel, filled in some of the details about when they are trying to get

more information. it was on summer 20th that biden's personal attorney's were searching that wilmington home. they notified the doj the next day to pick up the documents and then just last week the personal tierney's found more documents. it wasn't until this weekend that we found out that it was actually more that they had initially stated and found. the white house of course picky seeing so many questions about the very slow drip drip drip of information and a time is their inability to offer the full truth, for instance when they acknowledged that there were documents that the pen biden center they didn't reveal, even though they already knew there had been some documents found at the home, so lot of questions. the personal streak tierney is defending it and saying that they are limited to what they can share investigation but certainly these questions are gonna go away. on that point, the persons who can ask this question and think about a sit-down interview, the former attorney general rod rosenstein was on deputy -- on in-person cooper on this very point about whether it would be possible for president

biden or someone on his team to actually have that sit down. listen to this. >> it would depend upon the president's willingness to agree to that sort of an interview. i think in a typical investigation where someone is founded possession of classified documents, when the key issues want to know is whether or not they were aware of those documents. so what is their understanding of what they had a legal right to process those documents. i would think if the president were willing to talk and that would certainly be rod issue the special counsel would want to look into. wouldn't be the first thing they would do but it would certainly be on the shortlist. >> is he going to do this? >> i suspect that they will find a way. the special counsel will find a way. he has to. to inquire of president biden what was your awareness? but the president has always said he wasn't aware. and there is no indication or evidence here, unlike the trump investigation, where trump we

had evidence he knew what was in the boxes, he said the documents are mine and he refused to turn them over. they had to serve a search warrant. this isn't that case and really the questions here all arise from the timing. having been a lawyer in the white house and having handled classified documents and supervised over 200 people as ambassador who had to work with classified documents all day long and every day, i think when you look at it step-by-step, the decisions that were made were reasonable. it is true that he has broken bat from a pr perspective there have been problems, but from a legal perspective there is a five-week gap from november 14 when u.s. attorney laos a trump appointee was appointed by garland to look at this too, the search on december 20th.

five weeks is not a lot of time. >> -- post discovery of classified documents is reasonable, not prior to that obviously. >> i am not justifying the removal from the documents from white house premises. we will have to see how that happened. but the criticism hasn't been focused on the substance here. no one said oh biden knew. the criticism has been on the legal decisions. but when you break them down decision by decision, how many times, then you have those five weeks they find the documents. they found some more documents. we were talking before the show and you were a prosecutor and i was a defense lawyer and i did it for 30 years, in virtually every trial the prosecution, in the middle of the trial says i have found some more documents here. i am turning them over to mr. eisen. that is common. from a legal perspective they did it by the book. if they had made statements they might have been accused of tipping witnesses or even of witness tampering or obstruction. >> that is an interesting point. andrew, i wonder about the

people who aren't doing it by the book, so to speak. the people who are conducting the search sum, of the white house counsel's office and the idea of the doj, not everybody has a security -- in this world. -- closing the documents because they did not have the requisite level of security clearance to say what i am seeing, i can keep looking at it. there is the whole problem with the idea of having a special master with the trump documents. i don't want to fixate on the comparison of the two because i want to isolate the biden notion right now. the idea of who is conducting the searches, does that give you pause, as an investigative or some reason? >> initially it does not. initially the discovery of these documents is completely by happenstance. nobody expects that they are going to be there and they are found presumably first in the penn biden center. that gives them cause to think hey, we need to go out and maybe look at some other places where documents also may have inadvertently and up. at that point though, the best that would have been to have a personal attorney who also has a clearance conduct the search is. but we are well beyond that point now. the fundamental difference and i will reference the other matters while here, just for the comparison, the fundamental differences -- >> you can still say trump, that's okay. >> the trump matter has been antagonistic from day one. they refused to cooperate with merriford almost a year. they rebuffed the justice departments for documents for most a year, there was the infamous meeting at mar-a-lago where they were looking in the room but they couldn't look at any hawk boxes but were not

given everything the, inverse is true. they have been cooperated from the beginning in the biden administration. because of that cooperation there is an opportunity here to do a complete search within the scope of the special counsels -- with both the president's lawyers and -- that is not an uncommon thing to do in investigations of mishandling when the subject of the investigation is actually cooperating with the investigators. that happens a lot because oftentimes mishandling cases are the result of inadvertent, unintentional movement of documents. taking documents homes by mistake in your briefcase. >> on that point, obviously there is been a reaction to challenge what was done by the book and whether the administration was sound, -- impetus for special counsel. there's a lot being made about b's idea of visitor logs. if this was the white house, we've had our own discussions about what happens in the white house, the trump administration sort of breaking with tradition

of keeping their visible august but there were questions about getting visitor logs for biden's home in particular. even though that is not really the course of tradition to do so, it is a private residence, but there was a lot talked about about who would have access to documents and sneaker in looking at this. what do you make of the request for the visitor logs? they don't seem to exist, by the way. >> the visitor logs were part of my responsibility in the obama white house. the decision to release the visitor logs, that was my recommendation to the president which he accepted in the name of transparency. there are no home visitor logs and many of the people who have been asking for them, including political adversaries, let's admit it, the political adversaries are having a field day with this. why, because there is a difference between doing things by the legal book and doing things by the pr book.

they are exploiting the tension between the two but i think that in the long term, that the better thing to do is get the legalities right. why? because you don't want to expose yourself for other people. i don't think the president has exposure, but you don't want to expose anybody to legal liability. they have been careful about that. even if it has resulted in some pr headaches, to say the least. this caused, this call for visitor logs is just to create more of a political furor that people know there is no such thing as a home visitor log. >> one place you would have logs's -- and cabinet secretaries and heads of agencies and vice presidents, while they are in that position, they have scifs built in the residences for the

purpose of revealing top secret documents 24 hours a day when their home is a necessity in this disdain age. you are required to keep a log who comes in and out of those scifs and who is exposed. so if no such luck exists even from a skiff that may have been in the residence or from the security personnel that essentially stands up that capacity on a temporary basis when the vice president is there, then that tells you something about how the documents were handled during the time they may have ended up in that place. where the procedures followed? where the requisite levels of attention paid to who is being exposed to what documents at what time? >> all questions that were likely shuttered towards the president of the united states and our lecture knows that it is not only a pr headache but a migraine. we will talk more about this means in a little bit. just stand by everyone. but you know, his own party, speaking about the headache, for somebody who is causing a bit of tension, well some are calling him a bad guy, a

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is how speaker kevin mccarthy. we now tell cnn that he too had questions about santos's resume. >> when we first made aware of but some of these allegations about santos? was it before -- any indication that there could be something amiss there? >> -- >> the resume, all of the things. -- what about you, did the campaign -- i did know about that. it corrected but i was not notified about it until later date. i didn't know about it until a later date unfortunately. >> well, some house republicans have called on santos to resign. mccarthy and other top gop leaders say it is up to his constituents to vote him out. that is two years from now. let's talk now about -- doug high, norm eisen is also

back with us we are also joined by national politics reporter eva mckend. glad you are all here. let me and bring you in ivan, this. first of all i wonder about this. it is a little bit not clear, ambiguous. i had some questions. is mccarthy essentially intimating that he too had the extent of the questions that are now rising, or that he is just sort of saying that he wasn't totally secure. what do you think? >> it was so understated that it just begs more questions. so no doubt that in the days ahead, people continue to be asked about this? one did you know what and when? i think he is going to be continuing to do this song and dance as long as he possibly can. it is working for him for now to some extent.

his primary focus is to keep that slim majority, that house republican congress together. i think the issue did for him though is that santos is not all that reliable or predictable. what else is there to come? if we are having this conversation six months from now in the way that we are having it today, i think that that is when it starts to become identical. >> is that question though, for the gop more broadly? or about santos? because really the central question is not just about him. it is also about as you know, why there are not more vocal calls for him to leave office, or attempts to get him out of their -- essentially it has become a gop -- >> people don't fully understand how congress works. when you are elected, you essentially have a -- one you can resign, or to the

house will expel you. they have done that five times in our nation's history. they don't do a very often. the last time it was done was 20 years ago, after somebody had been convicted of bribery and racketeering. not accused but convicted. so kevin mccarthy -- cover pence conference tomorrow and i'll say george santos must resign. and he does not do anything, so he is getting paid right now let's not forget he, wasn't for a while so we may have actually incentive to stay as opposed to leave. everything that we have heard from republicans say about him, they don't trust him and don't talk to him because he is a bad guy, all that is true but there is no mechanism to make him leave unless the house expelled him and they do that exceedingly rarely. >> we talked about this as a strategist, doug, with the people who have called for him to resign. not a huge number, the screen is not full. it is a couple of people here

and there are, not full, he can actually be forced out for expulsion. but i do wonder, are we thinking long term? the seat is normally what is the focus of the party. how do i retain that seat in the house? how do i do so with the margin of islam is mccarthy's entertained up till now? is it not a concern about the impact, as you've talked about, if this talk is happening six months from now? >> it is a concern but when we get to host publican politics long term, it is very fungible. it could be two weeks, it could be six months. obviously can be two years as well. but they want to have this

problem taken care of. but they also know that if it gets taken care of, it probably means that a democrat will be replacing santos one way or another. >> how does campaign finance come in? obviously there is the idea of the lying. i am not going to be a pollyanna about this, lying in congress, oh my, it happened. unfortunately i am not disregarding it. but the campaign finance seems to stick. >> the light-ing is relevant to the campaign finance issue. when you look at both his campaign and the reports that he has to file with the federal elections commission, it is financial disclosures which are also an official filing that he has to file with congress, they are bristling with questions. what was the source of his sudden affluence? how did it flow into the campaign? his expenditures, there is a mandatory, it is a small thing but it is very telling. there is a mandatory 200 dollar reporting requirement where you have to provide details and he

went to a restaurant over and over again, 195 dollar receipt every time. so i think that the context of his lies about his education history, his religion, his job history, his supposed volleyball career and knee replacements at the college that he didn't attend, that puts all of those questions on these federal filings into a different light. and eva, i think it is going to be an issue six months from now, because the ethics committee is going to look at this, we know, law enforcement is looking at it and dog, the problem is it is not just about those seats, his seat. if we are still talking about the six months from now, there is a spillover effect on the entire caucus. that is the headache that kind

of kevin mccarthy has. >> i want to come back to you, one second on that point. i want to hear from you dog. but on the idea of ethics, the concessions that were made as president of the rules package, there is a concern that the ethics committee has been hamstring to, by the fact that there is staffing issues. is that a concern? >> two separate ethics committees. the one that they him strong is the more independent ethics committee. i am sure it is a coincidence that they did that just as santos was being up for investigation. there is the house ex dick's committee which is made up of an equal number of these and ours. they look at this and it is very tough to get -- egregious, particularly if there is an issue of possible criminal law is allen official forms the will act. it is a multiple set of headaches for santos, for mccarthy and for the caucus.

>> eva, you -- >> listen. i think that the persistence i think of some of these lies is troublesome, so be told that barrack bottom volleyball story or vergne over again. i think what is being missed is the organizing strength within the district. there are some pretty vocal members and local -- strategy meetings, or really holding the other long island republicans feet to the fire. they had no choice, really, but to call for santos to resign. because of the heat that they are getting from that community. some of them are telling me they are prepared to come up here in the weeks ahead and speak to whatever house republican will take a meeting with them. ultimately an effort to drive centers out of office. >> who is taking a meeting with them? >> i don't think a lot of people except for potentially house ethics. this is why we are talking about it for six months. take the house ethics committee in the office of congressional ethics two separate things, a long time to even acknowledge an investigation, much let's do it. and you have the very real legal problems. that is ultimately going to be sentences bigger problem, not the lies but the actual legal lies and where you have put things in paper that are actually committing fraud and violating the law. more >> in this everyone, stick around please on these issues and more. also, president biden marking martin luther king junior day with a call to congress to pass key voting rights bills. but we have been here before, we have seen this movie when democrats controlled both houses of congress. so the question now is, where does the fight go now all for voting rights? we will discuss it next. with two max-strength pain relievers. ♪

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martin luther king junior day with a renewed push now for voting rights. he is demanding that congress passed the john lewis voting rights advancement act in the freedom to vote act, again urging congress to do away with the filibuster to get those bills through. on my next guest, the former president of the double in acp and the -- never forget our people were always free. ben jealous joins me now. then, i'm glad to see you here. thank you for joining. it is a wonderful book, i have read the new book as well and it is really fascinating. i wanna talk about that but i also want to hear what you have to say about this renewed push out for voting rights. obviously it remains a very important issue but one that has not yet been tackled. when you think of this? >> i have less hope for in this congress than i did in the last one. actually went to jail outside the white house in five occasions trying to push him early on. we need to deal with it. what makes me sad is that has become a very partisan issue. which frankly, when something becomes partisan, it becomes

dangerous to actually get it done. >> the idea of voting rights broadly as partisan, the idea, it just tells you the power of a day like today, commemorating the life of dr. martin luther king jr., the idea that still we'll stir fighting in so many respects for people to recognize voting rights as a non partisan issue. it shows you the power of ballots nonetheless. >> a 100%. it is that, tradition of voter suppression is deeply woven into our country. white men who do not own land have only had the white throat since 1845 in this country, black man for 1865. just put it in perspective, was not long ago, if you will, -- that most people in this country couldn't vote. and we need to make sure all of us can vote. we am glad biden is taking it up and i wish she had taken up when democrats control the house. as ferociously as he has. now >> i do wonder what you think about a day like today when we are commemorating king but there is also a recipient in alabama. if you know, they are celebrating kingly day, which commemorates amal can also commemorate general robert e. lee. your book is fascinating and i

wonder what you think about, it really talks about the idea of racism in america more broadly and just demystifying it dismantling some myths about race in this country. what do you think about that? >> the equating of king and generally is problematic. i have to say, to step away for my keyboard -- rubber easily was my cousin. it just, for a former head of the n aa c p, the way that -- starts with us recognizing that we are all in the same boat now is dr. king talked about. we need to act like it. in our communities, in our congregations, if you like we are able to have tougher conversations then we were able to have in the u.s. congress, and certainly on social media. and the mischief in places like alabama with the celebrating lease birthday and celebrating jefferson davis's birthday, man who succeeded former union, they are not on par with dr. king in any way. it's mischief. >> you found out about that of course because of the henry lewis gates ancestry check? >> not robert e. lee, gates told me about thomas jefferson. . >> that's what it was. >> i think maybe he was being kind -- robert lee.

>> i don't know. maybe he was just trying to give you a moment away from your keyboard. let's talk about when you write your keyboard, writing this book. because you talk about three big lies about race. one of them is that it is always been this way, another is only white people have paid the price for desegregation, another is racism only hurts black people and people of color, and another is you talk about having to acknowledge all of these as myths to end racism. why? >> this is what dr. king was trying to tell us when he was a fascinated, he was not assassinated with the desegregation battle, he was deciding a poor peoples campaign, trying to get people to unite across the color line. because what he understood was that race as we know it was a suit of construct created in the early. 17 hundreds as a wench to be driven between indentured europeans and enslaved africans. who kept rebelling together. and that neither group from the descendants, would have the power that they need to change their own lives, until they could come together. in order to do that, we have to come across the wall and then the watch is built. we are our sense to think about racism as it impacts us, as

black folks we have particular grievances. but, there was a reason why it was literally profitable. and it was because the military couldn't quite stop indentured europeans and slave africans rebelling together. new laws couldn't quite stop it. so they reached for the cousin that was culture, they took a war that was 600 years old and they made it mean something else entirely. this new color caste system, if you will. with the superhuman anglo-saxon and the subhuman negroes. and you saw slave roles change as a result and you saw poor waits for the first time decide, that their greatest us set was their complexion as opposed to their solidarity with their brothers of a darker hue or who are facing similar troubles. >> it is a fascinating book. he really unveil so many things and you talk about joining personal history, a lot of people you feature talk about your own learning. what is the whole gambit -- of course it is called never forget we were always free. i wonder if the congress will read it, because there are moments that you can learn a lot about how to have progress ,

even when there is animosity on two sides of debate. >> yes. general powell, when i was young, encouraged me. he encouraged me to really focus on finding one thing i could agree with somebody on that and build on that. that's why new as president with new gingrich, we fought own everything, to cosign on our strategy to shrink the prison population. and to grover norquist do the same thing. and with that, we were able to get four republican governors to come with us. it was odd, i ran for governor as a democrat. and here i was, i wrote the book and when i looked at it, governors were -- republicans who stood with the doubly cp when we needed them to. we need more of that. when i first came to this town, to pony on ronald reagan have been drinking together until months before. we've got to be able to come together as a country. and solve the problems.

one of the other things i talked about in the book is that we pay real price for the media constantly portraying the poor as black and brown. used to be the black forward visible, during the depression, possible rights movement, the white for invisible. there are almost twice as many white for his black and brown poor, but policies get twisted when people can only imagine the other as benefiting from it. >> don't give the whole book away, these myths are included in everyone -- evangelist, thank you for stopping by the. so nice talking to you. congratulations on another great book. >> thank you. >> well everyone, unfortunately as we are talking about this powerful commemoration, sadly,

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he told you we, do have news out of florida tonight where police say that eight people were injured in a shooting and a martin luther king jr. day vent, and for piers florida.

one person has critical injuries. cnn's camilla bernal has the very latest. camilla, what are you hearing? >> hey laura. authorities are saying that this was an argument that resulted in gun violence. it happened at around 5:20 this afternoon. i want to start with the victims here. we inch and eight people that were shot, one critical condition. in addition to those injuries, there were at least four others that were hurt as they were trying to escape all this, as you were trying to hide and find a safe place so in addition to the eight and the four that we know were injured

in one way or another there are also many many people tonight who are in shock and who are terrified because authorities say there were more than 1000 people at this event and they say that it was chaos, as those shots rang out, there were families and children. you can imagine parents and really everyone just trying to get to safety. this was advertised as a family at, fun event. when from noon to six, and there was not just a car show but also music and dj's and dancing. and a zone just for children with bounce houses. so of course, a lot of people that were out there today celebrating mlk day and a lot of people, the sheriff's office also were doing security there, so deputies were already on scene. we are told they ran towards the gunshots but they weren't

able to figure out exactly who shot or who was responsible for all of this. they do believe more than one person was involved in all of this. here is the sheriff's office and what they are saying no. >> we know of one but just based on the evidence here on scene i, believe there is more than one. we are gathering a little bit more information. one of the things that i would ask is if there is anyone that was here, anyone in the community with that information as always please contact us immediately. >> so right now there is no one in custody, no one that they know for sure is responsible for this. but it is a very active scene at the moment. they say they are still gathering any evidence, talking to people and trying to piece together everything that happened today. the sheriff's office also saying that they are just said that a martin luther king jr. day event resulted in a mass shooting. and really, it is sad to say it,

another mass shooting in this country this time at a celebratory event where families and children were gathering. >> a man who professed and spoke about nonviolence. unbelievable. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> up next, an unprovoked attack on a bus, leaving university student of asian descent with stab wounds to her head. and police say, it was racially motivated. hehis car just anywhere... ♪ pop rock music ♪ >> tech: ...so he brought it to safelite. we replaced the windshield and recalibrated their car's advanced safety system, so features like automatic emergency braking will work properly. >> tech: alright, all finished. >> dad: wow, that's great. thanks. >> tech: stay safe with safelite. schedule now. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪

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tremendous respect is in custody after the brutal and unprovoked stabbing attack on an indiana university student of asian descent. the court document shows that 56 rolled billy davis is charged with attempted murder after january 11th attack in bloomington, indiana. police now saying it was racially mobutu baited. here with more cnn's international correspondent miguel marquez. miguel, what are we learning about this attack? this woman is smiling in mugshot. >> yeah.

it is disturbing to see that mugshot. it is disturbing to hear about this attack. it is happening way too often to asians across the country. police of bloomington indiana say 56-year-old billy davis and an asian female student from indiana, university were running the same -- davis got up from her nearby cnn allegedly stabbed the victim in the head using a folding knife, causing severe, several puncture wounds. this according to a probable cause affidavit. and that same affidavit it indicates davis told police she stabbed the victim because she was chinese. telling investigators, that it would be one less person to blow up our country. we don't know who the student is, or where she was from, but she was taken to the local hospital and we hope that she has a full and speedy recovery.

>> davis has been charged with attempted murder, aggravated battery, battery with a deadly weapon, lost ortiz in bloomington have indicated this was racially motivated. it is not clear, if davis will be charged with a hate crime though. understandably, this attack which was captured on security video has sent a shot through the asian population in bloomington, as well as through the entire small midwestern college town. laura. >> a gal, that is just stunning to hear. it is also part of a troubling trend of increased attacks and asian communities in the entire country. >> it is bad. it feels like it is getting worse, it tax during against asians picked up during the pandemic, 164% rise in such attacks just in the first quarter of 2021 alone, says a study from's telephone estate university from san bernardino. prominent recent examples, the

fatal 2020 and shooting of eight people, mostly asian women, at atlanta area spas, in which prosecutors there are no pursuing hate crimes, hate crime charges based on the victims sack us and race. next week here in newark, a man pled guilty to manslaughter as a hate crime and will serve 22 years in prison for the brutal beating of a chinese american man, you know penn mott, in 2021. another man, also here in new york, pleaded guilty to first-degree maligned slaughter and got 20 years in prison for hitting a chinese woman. querying ma, in the head with the rock. repeatedly. i was in her reffet and unprovoked attack, her widow husband said the attack took away the love my life, the mother of my son and took away from me, my life in this country. aura. >> that is devastating to hear. thank you, miguel. i want to bring in defense attorney and former federal prosecutor general to. we are sitting here listening to this and it is unbelievable. is devastating a disgusting, that it is happening. the question out there, of whether this might be charged as a hate crime, what is the consideration? >> this is a no-brainer. the charge of the hate crime. a lot of time prosecutors and law enforcement are looking for some obvious -- a manifesto, word spoken at the time, here he will certainly have that. they need not to be timid but charging hate crimes, because it sends a message to charge the hate. because this kind of mindset, is what drives and empowers other racist violence as well. we call it out for the prosecution is certainly charged the hate crimes. >> a port and part of why we have hate crimes as well, the idea of deterrence. it is not just the assault or even murder charges, that -- if the turn aspect, that is an

important point. i heard miguel say, 100 and 64% increase and in the first quarter alone of one year. of this violence. i mean, what do you think is behind it? is it as simple and reductive as politics? >> i think politics has a lot to do with it, and unfortunately, politicians are awfully looking -- during the trump era they're scapegoating of asians and framing them for covid, racist trope about kung fu, that sort of thing. but even today, perhaps in more subtle ways, leaders have to be really careful. there is that leader at -- northwest was making fun of asian language. there is still a lot of emphasis on language is trying to is a threat. if you have an economic rival, you can have a middle terry rival without posturing it is a threat, which brings up the old racist trope of the yellow peril. that kind of thing trickles down to people. i don't want to hear people say oh, it is mental illness. that is an excuse. there are genuinely mentally ill people with but when you condone this type of ridicule of people you dehumanize them, and you make violence more acceptable.

>> important point. thank you shyann. unbelievable. just trying to ride a bus, unbelievable think about that. may so many others to. sources are out there now on another well, political issue, saying there are more surges for classified documents at locations connected to president biden and that they are all on the table. now we are learning that biden himself is now getting frustrated about how this is all playing out. so is the white house making some unforced errors? we will talk about it. with two max-strength pain relievers. ♪

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