end. it is not great politically. i still stand by the fact they are very difference cases with former president trump and biden. but i can understand, even though his lawyers handled this legally correctly, with the communication lenses it seems like there has been a few stumbles. >> there are comparisons being drawn. i want to go back to the timeline.

when did you know it? who knew it and what did you do about it? for 68 days they did not say anything about the discovery. i wonder if the idea of the explanations, the idea of the trying to differential doj, is that connecting with voters? or is it there a concern that there is not? >> i think what is connecting with voter is that president biden had classified documents after criticizing former president trump for having classified documents. it is not the same. the obstruction that was perceived from former president trump is not the same. the refusal so cooperate is not perceived as the same. but i don't know how closely the voters are following that.

the timeline, i also i think, i'm not sure that the voters are even following that, even, the pr concerns that we're hearing get to this on a more specific level. i don't think the voters really care about. >> i know congressman comer, he was talking about the comparisons for former president trump and president biden. >> i don't feel like we need to do a lot of time investigating former president trump because the democrats have done that for the past six years. >> you have the republican

spokesperson said that the house republicans have no responsibility. i want to know what your reaction to that is, doug, also, if we go back in time to how trump was speaking about hillary clinton, there is some comparisons to be drawn about the pr reactions. what do you say? >> there is something said in politics, if you're explaining, you're losing. right now the white house is having to explain this. thursday was supposed to be a good day for the white house and it did not do that. they were explaining and they were losing and they lost out and driving a core message for them what is the strong economy.

that is the problem politically. you could say it is not as bad as trump. i would agree it is not as bad. but they are supposed to say, we will not make the mistakes as former president trump. the problem is they're explaining and they're losing. >> president biden and president trump was hoping to become president yesterday again. we have not heard fully from the intention of biden. what impact will all of this have, do you think? i know it is down the road. some may say this is my entryway into. race. >> there are a couple ways to look at it, former president trump announced running for president again.

and if city president president biden decides to run for re- election, if they are the two names at the top of the ticket, i think it crosses them out. if president biden decides not to run for re-election, i don't think the classified documents will play my role in in any event democratic bench if they're going to announce and how successful they will be. it will be something of the past. but if somebody on the democratic side, which it doesn't seem to be and i don't think it should be, decides to try and get out ahead of this before president biden were to announce, they could use the documents against president biden. but again, because the biden administration and the biden lawyers, and it may not be as smooth as everyone would like it to be, because they are cooperating with the department of justice and the national archives, they will get past this. the question is how many

announces will the special counsel have? how long does that story go? at some point they relinquish being compliant and then it goes to the doj. >> it is not clotting yet, politically. is governor desantis going, yes, tell me more about this president biden and president trump. are others saying this is good for their ambition? >> i'm sure whoever may be thinking about are looking to how they could capitalize. governor desantis can breathe pretty sure that he doesn't have this issue like trump or biden because he doesn't have

access to classified documents. in the grand scope of thing its, we're talking about a relatively small number of documents that, even when former president trump had issues with the documents. it wasn't that he had them. when there were repeated requests to turn them over, it appears that he was not cooperative. it has been said -- there are a lot of documents and papers that they turn over. sometimes a classified record gets lost in there. i think it is easy to overpay. those are the opponents that trump or biden have. but in the same token, when the special counsel starts looking, who knows what will be uncovered. that is the risk for president biden going forward. >> we'll come back and go on with this issue and other issues. we will go to georgia and rgen

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president biden was in georgia past weekend, the first sitting president to deliver a speech from ebenezer baptist church where martin luther king, jr. preached. this is a time when black voters in georgia had become one of the most important voter blocks for the democratic party. joining us to break it down at the magic wall is harry is here with us. you argue that black voters are almost uniquely important to georgia specifically. walk us through why you think that is. >> let's take a look at the states, all the states that president biden won by five points in the 2020 election and

look at the black voter percentage that we saw in the exit poles. georgia stands alone at 29%. no other state that president biden won by less than five points comes anywhere close to it michigan 12%. pennsylvania, 11 percent. another state that really rallied for the democrats, arizona, very tight like georgia. all the way down to 2%. in georgia, black voters are important. but here is the other key thing to recognize about georgia that is, take a look at the black voter percentage according to the second of state look at this. in 2020, black voters made up 29%. look at where we were in 2000. it was just 23%. it is not that they just make up a big percentage.

it is growing. 11 percent in 2000 and 12% in 2020. we see disproportional growth of black voters in georgia. look at the 2020 result, biden is just 2 percentage points. if they would have stayed the same in 2000, donald trump would have won by six points. that is a large part of the reason that president biden was able to come away with that narrow victory in georgia. >> we look at the senate runoff races time and time again, deciding who is going to be in the power twice in as many years. how have black voters impacted the senate runoffs? big league.

look back at the 202020 2020 runoff. in the majority of black counties, it was 20%. that is means they are close to proportion. in other counties it was 89%. black voters made a larger percentage than they did in the general election. that is unusual. the african-american voters that turned out were more democrat than those that voted in the 2020 election. look at that. considerably larger than when president biden won by 17 points. in 2020, all won by three among black voters.

he won by 93%. among all other voters, herschel walker won by 93. they put rafael warnock back in the senate for a full term. >> we'll see how it impacts the upcoming 2024 race as well. thank you very much. back with me now, so you heard harry's analysis on the points. but biden did not have a big presentation in the georgia senate election for senator warnock. it was a crucial seat. what do you think of him now being back there and recognizing the impact yet again? >> i think biden understood the importance of georgia. that is why he stayed away during the election season. that was part of the calculus that in georgia that biden and

harris would not be helpful. it was one of the only swing states they did not go. >> why? you have my back, i have yours. you have vice president kamala harris, a historic vice president, why would they have not been helpful? >> because raffle warnock is a black man, yes, needs black voters. i don't think he needs biden or harris to turn out voters in georgia. he was trying to reach out to voters in the middle. in that way he was distancing himself somewhat from the biden administration or asserting independence from the biden administration. a big part of his message is i can work across the aisle with the republicans. he talked more about ted cruz than he did during the campaign than he did with president biden to work across the aisle

and get funding for things like highway money, for example. i spoke out and criticize them on the failure to pass voting rights. i can work across the aisle. i think he and his advisers that a biden visit would focus on president biden and his failures. >> from across the aisle to across the table, let me ask you this, doug. he's in been in georgia and talked about moving the primaries up in the southern states, south carolina and georgia coming up in the ranks as well. what do you make of that and how he has faired? what do you think about that republican versus democrats in that schedule? >> i don't think much. i worked for the iowa caucus in

2012. i love iowa. it was unsustainable for democrats to keep iowa and georgia one an two. they had problems in believe caucuses. republicans are not going to move from that. we care about rural voters and rural issues. but clearly you're seeing a shift in how the parties are targeting voters. i talked a lot to the point that a lot of my republican colleagues told me to shut up, don't forget north carolina. there was a close senate race. it did not get any national attention. you get african-american candidate on the democratic side, i judge. and democrats in north carolina, you have will he hbcus. when barack obama won in 2017, it was a huge surprise.

south carolina and north carolina are very red states. but democrats, that is key for them. >> i wonder about the messages now, say president biden or other candidates, that are key to this data points, georgia on the minds of others. it was the foil for the so- called big lie. you had people fighting against that narrative. but is democracy going to be enough, the idea of looking back to january sixth. is that enough to get voters excited for biden in the southern states? >> sting democracy and the economy and criminal justice police reform and reproductive rights and on and on and on.

some of it is about the candidate. and a lot of it is just pure math. you look at where you have the right demographic, i think about georgia that people continue to forget, is that it did not happen overnight. there was a vision mostly led by stacey abrams. they believed in black voters. and something that the democratic party that they get reprimanded about is you show up four days before the election. instead, four years or ten years in georgia. there are states like mississippi that have 36% black population. when you think about the democratic party in mississippi, it is not that large. is not like they have a huge investment. a state like alabama. we had a democratic senator, doug jones, from alabama in a special election. why? because of black voters. 25% of black voter population. if the party were to look at

the map and see pockets where they could turn out voters by small investments -- when you have not been spoken to in 20 years, two minutes goes a long way in an election cycle. i think you can see more georgia. but it doesn't happen overnight. we will go across the black belt in the southern states for a long-term vision for the new democratic party. >> do the republicans see an opportunity as well? or is an unattainable goal? >> some pockets are doing better than african-american voters despite trump said that would turn off a lot of those voters. one state that we did not talk about is maryland. he's not just a rising star,

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tonight italy's most wanted man is in custody. he was arrested in a private health clinic after a raid carried out by more than a hundred special agents. he has multiple convictions for murder, including the kidnapping and death of a 12- year-old boy whose body was dissolved in acid.

he was also convicted for the assassination of two anti-mafia prosecutors that were killed in seperate targeted bombings in 1992. the idea he had been given several life sentences, even while in hiding, for mafia- related crimes. the question is, what happens now? >> this is 30 years in the making, to say this is hugely significant is an understatement. to your question and in the event that someone is arrested, you look to the issues of proof. do they have dna. and do they have witnesses and surveillance? here, to the point that you

raised earlier, he was convicted in absence several time. they sat through the trial and raise defenses. when you're not there, however, the government has an obligation and responsibility to proceed a apparently the government has proceeded. there are multiple life sentence as it wait him. the short question is that he'll be in jail. that is essentially what happens to serve out the life sentences that he has been tried and convicted on, although he was not present for the proceedings. >> such an important idea to still be convicted nonetheless but so many people are talking about him being held in a secret location. i'm wondering is this a concern? a hundred people need to take him into custody. is it certain for his safety or

his ability to leave? >> i think there are multiple concerns. obviously, when you are as notorious as he has been involved in a family, indeed, his brother having been convicted in served time, not rolling over on him and his sister. we know about his father. sew there are a number of things. so i think as it relates to people that might be looking for him right in addition to as you know, the safety of him and others, the safety and integrity of the proceeding, you want to make sure he's in a secret location. make no mistake about it. justice has arrived. the wheels of justice often moves slowly. although he's a secret location, i think the location will ultimately be in prison for a life sentence. >> most of the time when they are captured, is there an option for a plea? will they cooperate with

something else? is there a bigger fish to fry, so to speak. it sounds like he's at the top of the food train. they have the conviction and life sentences, could they be trying to talk to him, how he was evade them for so long and does he to answer anything? >> i don't see that. no, he doesn't have to answer. i think the code, based on who he is and based on who his family is and his dna, i don't think they'll get anything at all. there would be no incentive. the authorities are concerned about people around him. there have been millions and millions of dollars of that been seized from his associates from his friends. i know he has other friends and associates that want him out. so the authorities is to worry about that. i don't see him flipping or rolling or telling them anything that is a long time in

the making. they had to find him predicating that he had cancer and knowing that he had treatments. they did not know what his face looked like. i don't see anything other than them getting him, him not saying a word and ultimately him just serving out his sentence which will be multiple life sentences. >> it plays like a movie. he was arrived in a plastic clinic that was for plastic surgery or elective surgeries. this story unfolds in due time. thank you for being here to help us unpack it all. >> thank you. another injury in the nfl. this time tampa bay buccanneers russell gauge. i'll give you more on that in a moment. detergents leave behind.

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bad news from the nfl game last night. the bucs' russell gauge appeared to be injured his neck. he was on the field for several minutes before taken off the field this is after damar hamlin collapsed on the field after cardiac arrest. we look at what the nfl does

before a game to prepare for any number of medical emergencies. >> reporter: the buffalo bill's safety damar hamlin went into cardiac arrest, the game stopped. but for the emergency response team, everything was just getting started. >> i don't know how he went down. >> i'll call. we need a doctor, everybody. we need medics, all of you. >> reporter: as rare as this all is, i'm going to explain now the remarkable chain of events that came together to save damar hamlin's life. this is actually dape. it starts with this. what is dape. >> emergency action plan. >> reporter: that takes place at every game? >> anytime or any place that the players are active, there has to be an emergency action

plan. it was followed to the letter that night. in the moment, everyone knew what they needed to do and how they needed to do it and had the equipment to do it and felt comfortable. >> reporter: this is the chief medical officer of the nfl. he's giving me a sideline view of the preparedness that goes into over game day. once you see this you'll probably never watch a game the same way again. you may miss this the popup blue tent. it is on every sideline. >> is it like a medical exam room. is it the medical space in the middle of a busy stadium. it is so much easier to do things into here. everyone is more relaxed. you don't have the cameras or the fans. railroad or this, the injury review screen. >> we can be here on the sideline, if they see an injury video, they'll cue it up for us and put it what we need to see

and we can run it back. >> we can talk with them. >> reporter: the spotter's booth. they are the eyes in the sky. this is our injury booth. >> one of the most unique things in sports, the spotter can directly communicate with the referee on the field and they can stop the game. >> we'll watch it again. we just want to make sure that we don't miss anything. >> is it about the right people, the right plan and the right equipment. we have 30 medical professionals and everyone has a job to do. >> reporter: er doctors, neurosurgeries, paramedics, extra techs and airway specialists. >> is this the bag that i carry. it has number of things that we

can use. the first thing is a portable scope. we have a portable ultrasound under and we can perform surgical airways. i have all the resources available here that i would have in an emergency room. what is the biggest challenge with that scenario versus being in an emergency room. >> the chaos of the situation. when you have a larger than normal person that is not able to be elevated with extra equipment and the cameras around, that makes it more difficult to manage. >> reporter: how do people know that you're the guy in charge? >> i wear a red hat on the sideline. so even the other team knows what my role is. >> reporter: on september 25th, when tua stumbled after a hit,

he was allowed back in the game. that will not happen again. >> we changed the protocol earlier this year. if you see something on video, they are done. >> reporter: as the teams warm up there, is one final crucial step. >> every time in the operating room, we do a timeout. everyone stops what they are doing and make sure that everyone is on the same page. that is the same thing that happens behind me. stop called the 60-minute meeting. it happened 60 minutes before the game. they know who each other is and who is going to do what if there is an emergency on the field. >> i'm kevin kathleen, the lead medical team for the jaguars. justin is on our 30-yard line.

if a player goes down, he will not know if it is orthopaedic or internal medicine. if you need an x, he'll come out with an x. he'll have the defibrillator and x-ray is behind us. if a player needs to be taken off the field. the ambulance will be in the tunnel to your right. we'll be out there four guys if you need us. i hope you have a health and safe game. good luck. >> reporter: the medical team was able to get into damar hamlin within ten seconds. speed really matters here. every additional paint which someone in cardiac arrest goes without cpr, mortality goes up by 10%. >> this is in process for every single game. we train in the offseason like the players train and practice. we do as well. you want to is he a game with

no injuries. you want everyone to be bored on the medical side that is a good game from our standpoint. it was a fascinating sideline look how the medical teams prepare along with the athletic trainers. is it remarkable. the game of football has changed a lot. the nfl started, the average lineman weighed about 190 pounds. and now it could be over 300 pounds. they can run a 40-yard dash in five seconds. if you get hit by someone at that speed, is it like a ton of force, literally like a ton of bricks falling on somebody. you see what is necessary medically to try to keep up and try to prevent those types of injuries. >> that was fascinating. so important to learn that. we'll be right back.

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fence, who would try to do this? it is not an innocent act, these animals are not exactly the kind that ought to be running around in this particular area. >> absolutely. i'm delighted to be speaking to you. i'm a big fan of your work as well. >> thank you. >> i'm happy to share this information with you. these are wild animals and powerful animals. i'm so glad they were able to recover to spotted leopard. the dallas zoo is a world class zoo. they educate millions of people every year. they do the best to take care of their animals that are ambassadors for their species. this was the event was the result of a crime. it was done for two reasons. it was done for theft or

vandalism. >> you worked with the leopards, not these ones in the dallas zoo, but the speaks. tell us about what the leopards are like. >> so anyone who thinks they can walk up to a clouded leopard enclosure, cut the fence and think that the little critter is just going to walk into a carry on cage has a horrible surprise coming their way. i think you guys may have a photo of me working a clouded leopard. this was a leopard in southeast asia that needed medical treatment. we had to said date the sedate the animal to treat him. it can jump down a hundred feet and dispatch a deer. they are powerful animals with powerful teeth and powerful

clause. it was someone who was truly misinformed. there are a number of examples where people tried to steal animals from zoo. often it ends up badly for the animal and the people. just a decade or two ago, two young men stole a viper from the bronx zoo and they ended up in the emergency. these are powerful creatures. >> the idea that someone did this and the leopard was recaptured. it is now safely back in its enclosed habitat and no injuries. but that somebody would do this, they are misinformed it wasn't just the clouded leopard, we're finding out. it also involved an enclosure for a breed of monkeys known as langers.

they did not get free. >> that is the last thing dallas needs langers. they live in the rain forest in the canopy. again, very powerful creature it's. thes. the last thing you want to do is to tangle way monkey that wants nothing to do with you. so why are people doing this? there are two things. it is either vandalism. someone is doing this because they want to cause damage or maybe they're trying to make a point because they misunderstood the important conservation like an places like the dallas zoo does. or it is it somebody trying to steal these animals. texas is one of the few places in the united states where you

can have a large feline and exotic animals with a little less red tape and permits. but in most situations, you need a lot of situations through the usda, wildlife service, state and federal to have these animals or have access no them the black market trade for wildlife is about a $50 billion. that is no easy task. you don't just steal a leopard and put it on craigslist. it is a hard journey. i think it is someone that wanted to do something and it

was array. these animals could have been injured. >> or people fending for their lives. important to talk to you about the idea, the spectrum of why someone might do this. criminal investigation is underway. i hope whoever did this will be held accountable. >> i'm so thankful they're back at the dallas zoo. >> very important. thank you very much, jeff gordon. thank you all for watching. our coverage continues. to break down septic waste. guaranteed. ( sfx: toilet flush ) get your together with rid-x.

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