[ singing in non-english ] >> and her ex and his new girlfriend and his mom even. the couple who have two songs together split when she reportedly caught him having an affair lines like, you traded a rolex for a casio. not exactly trying to hide who her latest song is about. >> i love a miley cyrus song. >> i do, too. >> and guys doing this -- if it was guys -- >> what? >> guy doss s do that all the t? >> guys do what? >> do we have time? >> if any guy doing this, oh, my god. i cannot believe that he's singing about his ex-girlfriend. calling out the woman. trading her for a casio.

look that's not very b-- look i love miley. tim and i sitting right next to her. >> of course you were. >> and liam. liam, right? but just saying. look, maybe there's a reason there's a double standard but it's not right to ever call out your ex in a song. >> really? you can't sing about heartbreaks. >> it's fine but still, it's a double standard. ahead on cnn this morning -- >> "cnn this morning" continues right now. -- an attack on democracy. whoever that elected official is. democrat or republican. and we will hold people responsible for criminal conduct, and make sure we do justice. >> good morning, everyone. a really, really terrible story. so glad you could join us on this tuesday morning. about a failed republican candidate in new mexico arrested

for allegedly hiring people to shoot at the homes of local democratic officials. we're going to speak to a commissioner targeted in moments. an early morning moosassacra mother and her infant. six killed in what may have been a drug cartel-style execution. also this morning, dramatic new video taken by a passenger who was on the plane moments before it crashed in nepal. plus -- >> this is it. >> oh, man. >> wow. >> this is the child with the loaded weapon -- pulling the trigger right there. >> pulling the trigger. >> ah! wow. >> can you believe that? that is a toddler caught on camera waving around a loaded gun. his father is in custody this morning. >> that is a very disturbing story. get to that. first a 17-year-old mom and her 6-month-old baby among six people who were killed early monday morning at a central california home. the mother and child both shot

in the head. police tell cnn the killings appear to be linked to a drug cartel. straight to cnn's josh campbell live in los angeles for cnn this morning. josh, hello to you. what are you learning about this attack? >> reporter: good morning, don. i'll warn viewers what i will describe is graphic and disturbing. police say in early mornings yesterday around 3:00 received a 911 call of an active shooter in this residence. in a county three hours north of los angeles. they dispatched deputies. takes them several minutes to get therea remote area. as on their way to this crime scene the dispatcher is getting other 911 calls saying hearing shot after shot after shot, when authorities finally arrive they don't find a suspect but find a gruesome crime scene. authorities say there were least six people killed including two people killed outside the residence. one in the doorway as well as you mentioned a 17-year-old mother and her 6-year-old shot

in the head. trying to find those responsible, don. >> have police identified a suspect, josh? >> reporter: describing this is a cartel-style execution. what does that mean? street gangs in the united states often engage in violence. that descriptor, brutality and sophistication. we know mexican drug cartels, for example, engaged in egregious violence against perceived enemies doing so far as deploy hit squads. sheriffs spoke about who they think they're looking for. take a listen. >> we believe we have at least two suspects at this point. we also believe that this was not a random act of violence. we believe that this was a targeted family. we believe that there are associations involved in this

scene. >> reporter: at least two suspects the sheriff says they're looking for and it's important to note they're still trying to piece all of this together. looking at shell casings. canvassing for witnesses, if they heard anything around that area. interesting, don, one week ago that residence itself was subject of a search warrant in the a narcotics case and police are looking to see if it is all connected. >> josh campbell, thank. more on the failed republican stays house candidate pena who was angry he lost his election last fall claiming the vote was "rigged." now in police custody in connection with orchestrating for shootings at the homes of democrats. this happened in albuquerque, new mexico. pena was the mastermind and paid four others to carry out the shootings in the lawmakers' homes. to note, no one, thankfully, was injured. >> the evidence is not only firearms but from cell phone,

surveillance video and multiple witnesses inside and outside of this conspiracy helping us weave together what occurred. on the last shooting we have evidence to pena himself went on this shooting and actually pulled the trigger on at least one of the firearms used. >> the last shooting they're talking about took place at state senator linda lopez' home, the gun malfunctioned. another shooter at the scene shot a dozen rounds. pena, an election denier, visited three of the targets unannounced in november after he lost hits election for the state house. later that month tweeted in support of former president trump declaring that he "never conceded his race" even though he lost in a landslide 48 points behind his opponent. minutes from now, joined by one of the county commissioners whose home was targeted. commissioner adrian barb pbarbo be with us.

and the final moments before it cashed in in a pal. video is edited so nobody can be identified and we are not showing the moment of the crash, but here it is. [ speaking non-english ]. >> that video taken inside the cabin by a passenger streaming live at the time just before the flight went down in a fiery scene en route to a tourist hub in the himalayas killing 70 people onboard. get now to our reporter live in new deli ihidelhi, india. what's in that footage? >> reporter: not often you see footage shot by passenger moments before a crash. this is one rare such footage. we do know reportedly recorded by an indian passenger on his way with friends, but important our audience gets to know cnn corroborated this video losing

flight manifest daetails going n to the website and geolocation, however, it's interesting how a representative of the civil aviation authority says it does not seem to be a video inside aircraft but when pressed he has no evidence to support his claim but it should be extremely important in terms of evidence during the investigation according to aviation experts, don. >> thank you so much. also this morning, a frantic search is under way in ukraine as it has grown more frantic. search teams don't expect to find anymore survivors at the scene of the strike. 44 people including 4 children. rescuers pulled several out since the weekend's attack, but also all the wreckage dismantled yet 25 residents are missing. the first lady of ukraine

slammed the russians for one of the worst attacks on civilians since the war began in a speech she just deliver ed at the wor economic forum in davos. >> translator: these were people, ordinary people at home on a saturday and that's enough reason for russia to kill. there is nothing off limits for russia. as we speak in our city of dnipro people are still working, working, and sorting through the debris of a residential area a house that was destroyed by a missile. this missile was built to destroy aircraft carriers. it was used in civilian infrastructure. >> ukraine officials say a russian kh-22 missile was used in the strike and designated to take out aircraft carriers typically. joining us to talk about this is a retire d military representative. what do you make of the idea here it is targeting this

apartment complex where all of these people were living? >> kaitlan, a weapon from the old cord war. designed to hit the naval aircraft carriers because it attacks from a high altitude. the problem ukraine has, can't detect it. no early warning systems now. that doesn't matter to russia. they're using it saa a weapon o terror. they just have to put it up knowing it will hit something and unfortunately that apartment building. >> this is a sense, how does this kind of thing hit? io was reading about it, it causes so much damage because of the way it strikes? >> show you on a map. what happens is, backfire bombers come from russia here and come into the black sea. whoops, about a 400-mile range. at about 30,000 feet, a very high altitude, releases its missile and comes down in this direction here. then so any of these cities here along that coastline are threatened by this kind of weapon system, because any of the early warning systems that

ukraine has can't pick it up from that level of altitude. >> is the sense they were even actually aiming for the apartment complex or just aiming for the area generally? >> just hitting that main built-up area, using it as a weapon of terror. this is old technology, but, again, they don't have -- flies at supersonic speed and ukraine has nothing as an early warning perspective. >> what they do have, united states sending one patriot missile defense system, but seems like that is really a drop in the bucket? they would need much more than just that one system to combat this? >> right. they need five or six. if you had a patriot battery in any of these areas here it would protect all along the coastline into odesa. make sure any of these early warning systems coming from 400 miles or so away at least would have a chance. one patriot battery likely just protects kyiv, that's it. any of these other built-up areas will be unfortunately exposed to this kind of weapon.

>> clearly a case they need more? >> what the ukraine defense mince sister was saying when he said we don't have the capability. with that standoff, russians have capability to fire this as a standoff distance and they can't protect against it. >> thank you. and launching a criminal investigation after a spotted leopard escaped from its zoo enclosure. the dallas zoo forced to shut down friday as workers searched for nova, the leopard. did not consider her a threat to humans and eventually located her near the original habitat and they were all -- able to safely secure her. she is being evaluated, but does not appear to be injured. officials also found a similar cut in a monkey enclosure. no monkeys are on the loose. this morning, chilling video shows a toddler in indiana waving around and pulling the

trigger of a loaded handgun. this actually happened on live television. body camera footage shows police speaking with neighbors after they discovered the little boy. >> i opened the door he went to flip it up. i shut the door. told everyone to get away from the door. like, he has a gun. >> a toddler with a diaper is walking around. >> it takes that long -- for dispatch. >> no, no, no. talking about the [ bleep ] parents upstairs! >> jean casarez following the story and joins us now. how, how, how? >> this is amazing. all caught on police bodycam. i want to take you through beach grove, indiana. what happened is that the officers were called to an apartment complex because of a toddler with a gun. and so they get there, and one of the neighbors is standing right there and she begins to tell them, i saw this toddler. he was waving around a gun. a real gun. watch. >> so my son opened the door,

and -- this little boy upstairs -- standing there with a firearm and i looked up and he was standing there. >> went on to say she looked through it the peephole there he was hands behind his back and points the gun says look what i've got. what she said. so officers go to the apartment. you watch them going into the apartment right now, and they said to the father, we believe your toddler had a gun is. what they're saying. we've got to search, and they searched high and low in that apartment to see if they could find any gun, and you watch that. and they didn't find anything. father said, there is no gun here. he did say, you know, relative of mine comes and leave as gun every now and then, but he said, my son is quick. i can't catch him all the time. so officers have to leave. they don't have a gun. they come back, tell the neighbor, we couldn't find the gun. one of the officers stays back, and she summons them to her

iphone and lo and behold has ring video from a neighbor that shows the toddler in the entranceway of the apartment complex with a gun waving it around, pulling the trigger. and so -- >> while they're looking for it? >> they go back to the apartment now. there is a gun. and they go in the apartment, search high and low, but they find the gun, and from my observation of that video, they find it in a desk -- carefully placed in a desk. the officer immediately unloads it. there were 15 rounds in that gun, but none of them were chambered, and because of that, as the toddler in diapers basically was pulling the trig ter didn't go off. father arrested. charged with neglect at this point. these are arresting charges. remember, he said there's no gun. so his state of mind, maybe he didn't know about the gun. however, the way it was placed where it was, could the toddler have put it back? going to be a pivotal question,

and prosecutors can add more charges to this. >> jean casarez. >> ah -- >> can you imagine? >> boy, oh, boy. up next, joined by a county commissioner on the other top story we're talking about this morning in new mexico. inside her home when shot at. now police say an election denier and former republican candidate who lost his election is responsible. we're going to get reaction from her. that's next. [ coughing/sneezing ] dude, you cocoming? alka-seltzer plus powermax gelels with more concentrateded power. because the only thing dripping shohould be your styl! plop plop fizz f fizz with alka-seltzer plus. also try for fast sinus and pain relief!

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also taking part in the last one himself. >> this type of radicalism is a threat to our nation and it has made its way to our doorstep, right here in albuquerque, new mexico. but i know here we are going to push back and will not allow this to cross the thresholds. fundamentally, at the end of the day this was an a right-ring radical, election denier arrested today and did the worst imaginable thing you can do when you have a political disagreement, which is turn that to violence's that should never be the case. >> the attacks on two state legislators and two county commissioners began in december after pena showed up at their homes to protest their election loss. the first shooting december 4th at adriann barboa's home and she joins us now. thank you for being here. i can't imagine what your feeling is, seeing the developments of what happened here, but i guess my first

question is just, do you believe this was motivated by the fact he was upset over losing his election? >> yeah. i believe, you know, from when it happened, still shocked, you know. when it happened i knew that that's what we see most pressing, people being aggressive around denying the elections. so i feel like, yes. i feel like it was due to, really, larger people thinking that you know, that this is possible. that this is okay, our elected officials, putting violence in a position like this. >> and he actually showed up at your house after he lost his election. when was that, and what did he say to you? >> yeah. he came to my house after the election, and he is an election denier and he weaponized those dangerous thoughts to threaten me and others causing serious trauma. yes. he was saying that the elections

can fake. that really speaking radically. i didn't feel threatened at the time but i did feel like he was erratic. >> do you feel safe now? do you feel safer now that he's been arrested? >> i feel grateful he's not out there to attack or target any other, anyone else. you know? i am still shocked. you know, in new mexico we have actual access to our elected officials, and so i'm really hope that people won't be targeted in this way any longer. >> and a statement you said after arrested. solomon pena is an election denier weapon sized dangerous thoughts causing serious trauma. highest levels of our government, and continue to make threats and violence a regular part of the public discourse has real impacts on our democracy and our lives. what does all of this say to you about political extremism in the

united states? >> you know -- politicians at our highest level of government continue to make threats and violence a regular part of public discourse, it has real impacts on our democracy and our real lives. i was -- a shot came through my home right where i just hours before had been playing with my granddaughter. >> and you were saying that your daughter doesn't feel safe bringing your granddaughter over since then a? >> yeah. painful to be a brand new grandma and my daughter does a great job bringing her over and for the past month and a half hasn't, because of this. right? >> commissioner, we're sorry you had to go through this. it is even something we're having a conversation about, but we're glad you came on to share your experience with us. commissioner adriann barboa, thank you. >> thank you.

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february 4th, 5th and 6th. chinese officials are working with the united states on blinken's itinerary and hope the countries can "resume a healthy and stable course of development." only two days until the united states is expected to hit its debt limit. that is bad, but the treasury department can move money around to keep us from defaulting on our debt, at least for now, but those so-called extraordinary measures only last a few months. after that treasury secretary janet yellen has a dire warning -- defaulting would cause irreparable harm. talking about you. your money, mortgage and job in addition to global markets. this comes ahead of what could be "the" most bitter political fight seen yet on raising the debt ceiling. house speaker mccarthy says he will not raise it without conditions. what does he want? spending cuts. even though the debt limit is about money already spent, not

new spending. talk about this and a lot more with democrat chris coons in beautiful davos switzerland at the world economic forum. of course, you're there to have these discussions, senator, about the economy, but also to keep a line shining on the war in ukraine. thank you for your time this morning and let's begin with the debt ceiling. here is the position of the white house on what mccarthy is saying. let's play it. >> we will not be doing any negotiation over the debt ceiling. it is one of the basic items that congress has to deal with, and it should be done without condition. so there is going to be, there's going to be no negotiation over it. this is something that must get done. >> so mccarthy says no clean bill on the floor for the debt ceiling. the white house says, no negotiation. so where does that leave our country about to default? >> poppy, puts us as real risk.

in the next six months at some point treasury secretary yellen will run out of those extraordinary measures and our bill comes due, and for us to even come close to defaulting on paying america's national debt, i think, would be reckless and irresponsible. i agree with the white house we shouldn't be negotiating over paying bills we have already incurred. so raising the debt ceiling you know, said in the opening there, is simply paying for things that v v already been spent. housing, infrastructure, we can and should have a robust debate about spending going forward, if that's what the new house majority would like, but to threaten to not pay america's debts would put all of us at risk. >> you have been a proponent, at least you were in 2017, when you introduced a bill to eliminate the debt ceiling. you've been a proponent of doing that. treasury secretary yellen is

sort of in your camp now testifying before the house she also believes that at this point it's just, it doesn't make sense to leave it in congressional hands to take us to the brink like this, but president biden a few months ago called eliminating the debt ceiling irresponsible. do you think he's wrong? >> well, perhaps i misunderstand the context in which that quote's been taken. >> let me play -- let me play it for you. >> i think president biden likely agrees -- >> i can play it for you. >> sure. >> just so we all have the context. >> do you support the permanent repeal of the debt ceiling, sir? >> permanent repeal of the debt ceiling? what do you mean? you just so we don't have a debt limit? >> yes. >> no. that would be irresponsible. >> your thoughts? >> well what i've been speaking to over the past decade is, when we've got a congress that does not agree that we ought to pay

for america's debts, we invite this sort of gamesmanship. that's what was behind my introduction of a piece of legislation five years ago now that would remove this. that would presume we have automatically raised the debt ceiling every time we appropriate additional money. there's a slight difference between what i'm saying and the president's saying, but i'm not saying that we shouldn't appropriate and be accountable to our constituents for what we appropriate, but i'm saying we ought to be raising the debt limit as we appropriate. and so there is an implicit agreement there we should continue to have a debt limit, just when and how it gets raised is the difference between what we're saying. >> understood. important distinction. thank you for that. let's move on to the classified documents found at several different locations of the president's, and i want to ask you about any national security concerns you may have, given what has been located in about 20 documents.

some of which marked "top secret." yesterday we had former defense secretary mark esper on and he said he was terconcerned an the trump documents and he is concerned about these documents. do you share that concern? >> i think attorney general merrick garl and is playing thi straight down the middle. overseeing both ongoing investigation of the former president's mishandling of classified documents and those that have just come to light and i expect as we get to know the facts better in the months ahead we'll better understand what, if any, risk there was to national security. of course, i respect the importance of proper handling of classified documents, and i think at this point we're simply going to have to wait to hear what the special counsel concludes about the facts in this case. >> you just spent several days at the border, bipartisan

delegation went there. when you came back you described what you saw as this. you said we cannot continue with a system that empowers smugglers or puts migrants in danger. i wonder if you would describe what you witnessed as a crisis at the southern border? >> well, poppy, i'd say that a bipartisan group of us, eight senators, republicans, deaths, went independent, went into -- went to el paso. went to yuma to see the different circumstances at different places in the border. at different points in time we've had waves of folks who have overwhelmed the processing capability of the border patrol, and that has caused real challenges, real harm to those border communities. president biden, while we were in el paso, was in mexico city meeting with the heads of state of both mexico and canada. to try and make progress and resolving this longstanding challenge for the region of having waves of migrants coming

from destabilized or oppressive regimes throughout central america and south america. this is a longstanding problem. a decades in the making. and one of the more encouraging trips to davos i'm currently on is some of the positive conversations we've had how we might move forward in a bipartisan way to tackle the real challenge of migration. >> that's good. that you feel like you've had conversations that may indicate some progress, because it has been decades since real comprehensive immigration reform -- >> poppy what i hear from folks in delaware, they are eager, eager, for us to find a solution and to quit pointing fingers at each other and could tcome witha path forward. >> senator, wrap wrap with this, because four of your democratic fellow senators, democrats in the senate, are really disappointed that the biden administration essentially expanded title 42.

and they write, they're deeply disappointed by this, and they think this latest move on the southern border, where you just were, will increase border crossings over time and further enridge smuggling operations. do you share that concern? >> well what they're responding to is a temporary solution or an attempt at some solution by the biden administration. president biden called for congressional action so that we could find a more balanced, sustainable long-term solution to the migration challenges we have at our border. that's the direction i think we need to go. i understand the critiques of my colleagues about an expansion of title 42. that's why i would hope they would join with a bipartisan group to try and legislate a longer-term solution. >> i think everyone hopes that is to come. senator chris coons, wish you productive meeting there's in the mountains of switzerland. thank you very much for your time. >> thank you, poppy. >> jealous of that backdrop.

>> me, too. a cruise ship this morning rescued 17 migrants stranded on a boat adrift near the bahamas. royal caribbean officials launch ed the rescue when spotted. they're working closely with the coast guard on this and the rescue comes amid of surge of cuban and haitian migrants trying to make it to the united states. so far monitoring this, but officials have not identified where these migrants are from. of course, that's one of the many questions they have. and coronavirus on the rise across the united states once again. 33 states showing increases up to 50% or more deaths this week compared to last week. in a "washington post" op-ed cnn krn medical analyst and former baltimore health commissioner dr. leanawen asks are something with cove ed, from covid or with covid and goes on to say two infectious disease experts i spoke with believe the number of

deaths attributed to covid is far greater than the actual number of people dieing from covid. bring in dr. wen to talk about her op-ed. thank you so much. ip know you don't want to, we don't want to underplay the risk of covid after three years. still a leading cause of death. just read about the number of deaths increasing. can you explain, and infections. can you explain why you believe covid deaths are being overcounted? >> i think it's important for us to be intellectually honest in this case including recognizing that circumstances have changed. at the beginning of the pandemic we had a situation where there were many people dieing from covid pneumonia, including young people dieing because of severe shortness of breath, difficulty breathing, hospitalized because of it. then as a result of vaccines and as a result of a lot of people getting covid and having some level of immunity to it, we're seeing far fewer cases of that

kind of severe covid, and severe covid pneumonia specifically. yet hospitals are still routinely testing everyone who's getting admitted for covid. we're seeing many people who are hospitalized with covid, at i think it's important to separate out who is being hospitalized because of it. because there are a lot of people who are still very concerned about their risk from covid and we need to give them the most accurate data possible so that they can better gauge their risks. there are people still not resuming indoor dining or going to the gym or socializing. we have to give them the most accurate reporting as possible. >> a quick follow-up. you're not suggesting hospitals stop testing people for covid as they come in? >> right. i think there's a better way to do this and actually one of the people i interviewed, an infectious d.c. physician at tufts mepds medical center pep came up with a steroid used to

treat cases of severe covid and she and her colleagues found them in cases of hospitalizations that do not involve this drug it's very unlikely that the primary cause is covid. so the state of massachusetts actually turned to use this measure. they are reporting both the total hospitalizations with covid as well as the total hospitalizations with dexamethasone, the hospitalizationing for which covid is the primary cause and found that about 30% of the current hospitalizations are actually for covid as opposed to 70% with covid. so i think that's the kind of distinction we need to be making that helps hospitals better gauge what's going on in their own system and it allows people to understand their own risks a lot better, too. >> doctor, two separate things. over counting deaths and over counting hospitalizations. you know, i covered this closely being in the trump white house when this happened and talked to a lot of health officials

skeptical of the claim you're making and one big thing is what is the evidence that these covid deaths are actually being overcounted? >> this is the reason why this kind of transparent reporting will be so important. there is a way for us to look at death certificates and also to look at medical records of individuals prior to their death. this needs to be separated into three categories. one is the covid as a direct contributor, the primary cause of death. the second is, could it be a secondary contributing cause? for example, somebody with kidney disease, covid then pushes them over the edge step to kidney failure. that's covid as a contributing cause. the third is covid as an incidental finding. come in with a gunshot wound or heart attack and happen to test positive. look at percentages of each the percentage would have shifted over time. in the beginning probably a lot more dies with primary cause of covid. that's probably shifted.

again, we need to understand this. another reason, too, people wonder when do get a booster, a second booster, another booster? the only way to know for sure understand who is getting severely ill and when. >> does that change who should get boosters? doesn't it depend on your age and conditions you have, pre-conditions? anything like that? >> that's exactly right. i think that's why we need to have this accurate accounting of, who exactly is getting severely ill? if we find that the people getting severely ill are all individuals with certain underlying medical conditions, not others, that allows us to better advise those individuals to take special precautions. by the way, none of this is to minimize the rick of covid. there's still so many millions of americans severely immunocompromised with chronic medical conditions clearly desperately need better vaccines and treatments. i'm saying we need better

datedata to focus on these people particularly vulnerable and others who put their lives on hold to resume maybe a lot of things they might be too scared to do at the moment. >> a new study, doctor, emphasizing how at risk pregnant women and their babies are from covid-19. sure you saw it. tracked 13,000 pregnant women. pie i wonder are you concerned for people like that and other vulnerable groups that this can give fodder to conspiracy theorists and those who downplay covid to anti-vaxxers? i'm sure -- you thought about that. right? as you were writing this? are you worried about that? >> it's interesting that i have had criticism on both sides. there are people who have said, well, why are you saying we're over counting covid deaths values? should have said this two and a half years ago. others say we're not and give various reasons why.

end of the day we just need the truth. part of that truth you mentioned, poppy. vaccines are highly protective. that vaccines are very effective, very safer and vulnerable groups including pregnant women, pregnant individuals, should be getting vaccinated. at the same time we should also be honest about who is dieing from covid during the early parts of the pandemic versus who is dieing from covid now. i think that type of honest transparent reporting is really important including for fostering trust in public health. >> listen, to be clear, though. it says in your op-ed, the covid death count turns out, if it turns out 30% of what is currently reported that is still unacceptably high? >> that's exactly right. there are still so many other people who are dieing because of the pandemic. when you look at the excess deaths, predicted number of deaths versus actual number of deaths now, still having a lot of people who are dieing. dieing from overdoses. dieing from suicide. dieing because of their hoealth

care disrupted and diabetes treatment delayed. attribute all of those to covid we're missing many of these structural issues in our health care system that have to be addressed. that's why honest transparent reporting and a systematic standardized approach across the country is going to be really important. >> dr. leana wen, certainly got all of us talking. >> thank you, doctor. appreciate that. next, what is driving a young crowd to booze-free bars? we'll speak to a bar owner in new york who's ditching the alcohol. >> i can relate to that. >> yeah. >> relate to that.

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all right, picture this. some of us may not want to. it is a bar without alcohol. might sound unusual. but the idea is gaining steam as sales of nonalcoholic beer, wine

and spirits and other usually alcoholic drinks have jumped actually 20% to an august 2021 and august 2022, now in new york city you can go to nonalcoholic bars including one called heckit. we're joined by the owner, abbie edmund. a lot of people are doing sober january right now. this is incredibly relevant. you said you never had the idea for this to be a bar that sold alcohol but you wanted it to be a gathering space for people who don't drink. >> right. i own a regular bar right across the street. so opening this bar i never had any intention of having a liquor license because i would have been competing with myself. so, the idea was to do something completely different. >> so, you are doing something totally different. do people come in there thinking it is a bar? what does that look like? >> well, when we first opened, people were coming in and asking, give me a gin and tonic.

there was a long learning curve. when i started to get press and people knew what the deal was, and they became more educated consumer, over these past few months, people come in now and know more what to expect. >> you did this, don did it 14 months. >> i started with dry january and i felt so great that, you know, i went for 14 months during the pandemic. which was the perfect time, because people were drinking a lot. i was, like, i'm going to do the exact opposite and didn't drink or anything. my question is why did you do it? i noticed when i was sober, it has hard to -- it was basically fruit juice and i started gaining weight from the sugar i was drinking. why did you do it? >> well, i'm not sober myself, it is just this place is sober. and the initial concept was, you know, magical elixirs and i -- even with the business plan i had no idea that there were all these products out there and

even just in the past year you know, there have been more products and that are all geared toward sobriety, some which mimic actual alcohol and some that are oddly fermented or weirdly distilled herbal concoctions that will make you feel like you're having an adult beverage. they aren't juices. they're not fattening. and most of them are almost free of calories. >> want to make us one? i heard there is a special one you got for us this morning. >> is this a lemon poppy collins. >> a lemon poppy collins is what we want. >> well, they're all a little time consuming, so i won't make one on camera, but i will show you our biggest seller, which is called the healer. and this is sort of a cheat because we're -- i'm not kidding you, out of almost all the ingredients. this past weekend was crazy. i haven't had time to replenish all the supplies.

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