>> reporter: congressional hearings and likely a lot of them. our colleagues report the first committee hearing is likely expected later this month or early february. there is still some division within the gop as to whether they move forward with impeaching mayorkas but there is certainly consensus the administration is mishandling the u.s./mexico border. mayorkas for his part says he will not resign. the department of homeland security instead putting the onus on congress saying that they should be passing immigration reform instead. to your earlier point this is very rare. the only cabinet official impeached was in 1876. >> a lot of historical precedent being broken these days. thank you very much. thanks so much to all of you for be with us. "ac 360" starts now. good evening. we begin tonight keeping them

honest with signs of the times in the political climate today running the gamut from the downright dangerous, merely troubling, to the absurd. it is fair to ask if there is a thread connecting all of them. some kind of political philosophy driving it or whether this is just a moment for whatever reason that is ripe for almost everything and nearly anything. one example in new mexico four homes shot at belonging police say to democratic elected officials. the man now in custody and charged in connection with the crimes a republican who lost his state house race in a landslide then refused to concede. >> he seemed agitated. he seemed a little aggressive to me. i didn't consider him a threat then. but he was upset that he had lost the election. >> that is debby o'malley who joins us shortly and says police said her home was hit 12 times maybe more. she is talking about the man in custody solomon pena who tweeted just after the election, quote, trump just announced for 2024. i stand with him.

i never conceded my race. now researching my options. the option he allegedly chose was politically motivated potentially deadly violence. a sign of the times just a few weeks after the second anniversary of the january 6 attack and a carbon copy in brazil. also paul gosar the 2020 election den ire who once tweetd an animae style edited video showing a character who looks like him killing a character meant to be congresswoman ocasio cortez. he is also a conspiracy theorist cozy with white nationalists so much so that after a speaking appearance last february at a white nationalist conference then house minority leader kevin mccarthy told cnn, i quote, to me it was appalling and wrong. there is no place in our party for any of this. adding, quote, this is unacceptable. well today now speaker mccarthy overseeing a slim republican majority congressman gosar got a committee seat back. the other house member who spoke at that conference also got a committee assignment today, homeland security for congresswoman marjorie taylor green the one who once said this

about the attack that gave rise to the very department she now oversees. >> but we had witnessed 911, right, the terrorist attacks in new york, and the plane that crashed in pennsylvania and the so-called plane that crashed into the pentagon. it's odd there is never any evidence shown for a plane in the pentagon. but anyway, i am not going to dive into the 911 conspiracy. >> she of course has dabbled if not dove into many others from qanon to white nationalism to bizarre anti-semitic notions about space lasers causing california wildfires to the 2020 election. again, she is now on the committee overseeing the department of homeland security. a sign of the times. so is this. newly minted member of two house committees serial liar george santos who said this back in 2020 on a newly surfaced tape about the volleyball team he never played for at the college he never attended. >> you know it is funny i actually went to school on a

volleyball scholarship. >> you did. >> i did. yeah. when i was in baruch we were the number one volleyball team. >> did you graduate from baruch? >> i did. >> so did i. >> very cool. great school. great institution. >> yes. >> it is funny we went to play against harvard, yale, and we slayed them. i sacrificed both knees and got very nice knee replacements from hss. >> wow. >> playing volleyball. that is how serious i took the game. >> i mean, this is just weird. who lies about playing volleyball for baruch college? he never played for baruch. he didn't go to baruch. i don't know about his knees. i don't know what to tell you about that. anyway, he is now on two house committees. small business and science, space, and technology. perhaps one step ahead of federal investigators. bizarre to be sure. harmless maybe. but another sign of the times. more now on the most troubling, the shootings in new mexico and

the man in custody in connection with them. >> one came right through here and then we've got the rest over here. >> reporter: about a dozen bullets embedded in the outside of debby o'malley's home >> i was very angry and just disgusted about the whole thing. >> these are significantly sized holes. >> they are. it was so loud this happened when my husband and i were asleep. >> reporter: o'malley immediately suspected who the gunman might be. this man. >> hi. my name is solomon pena. can i speak with debby o'malley? >> reporter: solomon pena who had been looking for o'malley went to her daughter's address and then her home a month before the shooting. this is him on the other side of the fence. >> he seemed agitated, a little aggressive to me. i didn't consider him a threat then. but he was upset that he had lost the election. >> reporter: police arrested him monday in connection with a string of what they call politically motivated shootings

of homes of four democratic leaders in new mexico. no one was injured. >> it is believed he is the mastermind that was behind this. >> reporter: police say he is suspected of hiring a contractor for cash to commit at least two of the four shootings from december 4 to january 3. pena was a republican candidate for a state house seat in new mexico. and he spent years in prison for burglary and larceny. but a judge allowed the convicted felon to be on the ballot in 2022 calling it un-constitutional for pena to be denied the ability to serve. >> i had nothing more than a desire to improve my lot in life. >> reporter: he lost in november by a landslide. then accused his opponent of rigging the election. wearing a maga sweat shirt pena tweeted he stands with trump and he never conceded his own race in new mexico. election denialism. >> some shen and dpans going on. >> reporter: that he heard at trump rallies like this one in phoenix in 2021. pena tweeted this picture saying he camped out all night to see

trump. photographs on the arrest warrant show pena pictured with this man. the warrant alleges he is one of the suspected shooters who was arrested with a gun used in one of the shootings. police say pena texted the home addresses of four democratic targets to four suspects who carried out the shootings and in exchange texted they just certified it. they sold us out to the highest bidder. they were literally laughing at us while they were doing it. >> everybody has to be more worried now. >> reporter: this county commissioner adrian bar boa was also targeted. four bullets ripped through her home into the room where she had just been playing with her granddaughter. >> it makes me angry one person, that we have a former president and current elected officials in highest levels of government that think it is okay to invoke violence in these situations. so yeah. range of emotions. very sad, disappointment.

>> joining us now from albuquerque, what do the sources you spoke with think is the root of pena's actions? >> reporter: a little bit of election denialism, refusal to accept the truth, but if you talk to the victims what they will really drill down on is they believe this is online radicalization as well as targeting of local officials. domestic terrorism is what i keep hearing from the people being targeted. this is not just here in albuquerque, anderson. it is happening at the local level from detroit to madison to the east coast to the west. and this is something universal happening to people who come face to face with these angry people just in their county commission meetings or city council meetings or school board meetings. so as far as this larger problem it is not over. it is continuing because of the denialism that is happening at the very highest levels of government. as far as what is happening here, anderson, pena will make

his first court appearance tomorrow. >> appreciate it. thank you. joining us now is debby o'malley who you saw in the report. appreciate you being with us. i am sorry this happened to you. can you take us through what happened when your house came under gunfire? did you know what was going on? >> not initially. what happened was my husband and i really just sat up in bed. i thought somebody was pounding on my door with their fist. we do have family around the corner. i thought maybe this was some kind of emergency situation. but when we sat up we heard more shots and we knew, you know, it was gunfire. and so we didn't -- my husband didn't discover the wall, the holes in the wall until the next day. we were just very shocked by the whole thing. very disturbing. >> solomon pena the man arrested in connection with the shootings actually came to your house how

long before the shootings? what happened when he showed up? >> he came after the general election, so november 10th. he went to my former address first and that is the video you're seeing now. then, you know, the resident told him where i was. which was fine. i mean, we do get people once in a while who come to our homes. you know, i've lived here, i was born here, family has been here a long time. so it was, you know, we see that. we don't normally consider that threatening. so he did go to my home. he approached my gate. i did meet him there. he expressed his frustration over the election and he was very aggressive about it, very angry about it, truly. and felt that -- he told me i've knocked on all these doors and

this doesn't reflect the vote, all the doors i've knocked on and i tried to explain to him that doesn't equate, you know, door knocking with getting the vote. >> wait a minute. he actually said to you that because he was running and he knocked on a lot of doors the vote count was not accurate because he interacted with a lot of human beings but he thought some of them would have voted for him. >> exactly. >> is your district overwhelmingly democratic? >> mine is. the district that he is running in is like 75% performing democratic. so usually a republican doesn't even run in that district. >> so it is not as if, i mean, just yet another reason he should not have been surprised that he lost. >> correct. if he had been thinking about it he would have, yeah. come to that conclusion.

anybody would have come to that conclusion you would think. >> reporter: do you worry this is, i mean, a sign of the times, that this is the new normal? this kind of stuff? >> well, this is unfortunately -- i never expected this. i've been in elected office for 20 years, locally. i did not anticipate this at all. for this to happen to our homes, my colleagues, that is a direct threat to me and my family. it angers me very much. a lot of it has to do with what is going on nationally. this narrative about voter fraud of course and then it is like about, you know, people feeling like they've been cheated and on and on. that's part of it. unfortunately, it's come to our home. i have neighbors who are very supportive. i have families very supportive. so i'm not going to let this

deter what i need to do. it is very disturbing and upsetting nonetheless. >> it is also disturbing because the people who are spreading this rhetoric, it doesn't affect them. they can do it from their well lit home studios, you know, on podcasts and cable news shows. it doesn't affect them. it's the messages that they are spreading though go out and apparently people like this guy run with them and actually take action based on them. >> you're right. from the safety of their homes, you know, they're spreading these lies. we have gullible people who don't question anything. you know, i am surprised people don't question anything sometimes. they've in their own minds decided that trump is all

knowing and he is not -- you know, as an elected representative i know we're all flawed. right? we are going to be questioned and we are going to be challenged. that's democracy. but this direct threat, these kinds of things, that is just wrong. well, it's unamerican really. >> debby o'malley i really appreciate talking to you. i am so sorry. this is just wrong this happened to you. i appreciate all you do. thank you. >> thank you. per spectrometry now from cnn's senior law enforcement analyst former deputy director out of the fbi. it is pathetic, sad this is happening and i guess a sign of the times. >> yeah, anderson. it is pathetic and sad and also really alarming. i think it is just another indicator that we have really moved into a new period in american political life and

political culture. we are becoming a country where people resort to political, to violence to settle political disputes. that is not, you know, we've had on the margins political groups that have engaged in violence in our history but this is a new thing in the modern era. it is a time that our law enforcement and intelligence entities really need to rethink how they are assessing the current state of threats, internal, domestic threats to this country and where those threats are coming from. this is a different place than the domestic terrorism environment that we thought about and that we tried to mitigate, you know, certainly when i was in the fbi over the course of my career. >> what would that look like? what can the branches of law enforcement do to respond not just after the fact but try to prevent these things from happening? >> well, this isn't a situation that the fbi or any law

enforcement entity can completely solve. but from their perspective there are some things they can do. the first thing is they need to really rethink how they assess and consider the threat. years ago there was a time in this country when we posed a threat from environmental rights groups and animal rights extremists and of course that's past. those groups have receded. these domestic threats are constantly changing. it is time for the fbi to think about where the threat is actually coming from domestically in this country. i think they missed the ball in the lead up to january 6th and part of that is some of this, you know, older approach to domestic terrorism where we think about distinct groups like the ku klux klan and racially motivated extremists. we're living in a different time now and have to embrace the fact or acknowledge the fact that a large part of this threat comes from a broad spectrum of groups that are united around

conservative, political ideology. it doesn't mean all conservatives or all republicans are domestic terrorists. i'm not saying that. but many of these groups that are motivated individually by antipathy toward ethnic groups or immigrants or super focused on second amendment rights or whatever those things may be are united in their support for conservative politics and they are together resorting to violence. we saw it on january 6th. we've seen it in groups like the boogaloo boys and others and now on the individual level. >> thank you. coming up the husband of missing mom ana walshe will be charged with murder just hours from now. prosecutors say there is more evidence coming even with her body still missing. plus more on congressman george santos and his lies. someone who knew him well or thought he did joins us ahead.

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♪ i gotta good feeling about this, yeah ♪ ♪ i'm with it ♪ ♪ i gotta good feeling about this ♪ ♪ yeah, ♪ ♪ so let's get it ♪ ♪ i'm feeling good vibes ♪ in just hours the husband of ana walshe will be formally charged with her murder though her body has not been found. she has not been seen since new year's day. brian walshe was already behind bars charged with misleading investigators and tomorrow is expected back in court as an accused killer facing mounting evidence. what do we know about this warrant and what led prosecutors to issue it now? >> reporter: we do know one thing, anderson. that is tomorrow that

prosecutors intend to reveal more details about what they have in their case. that will happen tomorrow during brian walshe's arraignment. what one can theorize is you remember what the da said last week that they recovered certain items. they did not specify what those items were but one can theorize whatever items they did get and law enforcement tells us that was a hacksaw at the trash facility, the bloody material that they found at the trash facility, that they ran these tests on these items. blood tests, dna tests, that would then link those items to ana wlash. that is in addition to the other circumstantial evidence which we know they have in this case, things like the blood that was found in the basement. a knife that was found at the home as well. and that in addition to the patterns of behavior that brian walshe exhibited after his wife's disappearance when he allegedly conducted an internet search trying to find out how to dispose of a body and how to dismember a body. these are all of the things that

one would suspect will be revealed tomorrow and that led to this murder warrant being issued. >> there will be, some of the sufficient revealed tomorrow will be new details we have not heard at this point. >> yeah. >> could we also -- >> i would imagine that, yes. the motive is the big question. so many people are wondering why. why would someone do something like this to this woman, mother of three young children? it is something that is, that could be presented tomorrow during the arraignment but remember also in the commonwealth in massachusetts, a prosecutor doesn't necessarily need to show a motive for murder. in many cases they haven't done that. you don't need to show a motive. you just need to show intent. however, that doesn't mean that is not something that might be explored and gone over tomorrow during the arraignment as well. >> appreciate it. with us now john miller, also criminal defense attorney mark

o'mara. john, what do you think caused prosecutors to issue the arrest warrant charging murder now? >> i think they've been building toward it all last week with witnesses going into the grand jury telling them the evidence almost as they have been finding it. and i think when you add the science, the part we don't know, we have an idea of a lot of the physical evidence from the complaint issued when they charged him with misleading investigators, but what the manchester state lab was able to put together from blood found in the basement to biological material found at this trash dump and whether they both can be matched to the wife along with a knife and other items, that would likely be the closer for the grand jury when it came to an indictment. >> the norfolk district attorney didn't say what degree the murder charge is in. would we find that out tomorrow during arraignment? based on what we know about the case what degree do you think it would be? >> so it is either first degree

or second degree. my gut is in any domestic event like this where people know each other, traditionally there is a second-degree murder charge, the heat of passion type of charge not first degree premeditated malice of forethought which is necessary under the massachusetts statute. so if i was guessing based upon the fact that he didn't say first-degree murder in the very brief press conference today, i think we'll hear second-degree murder, still a life sentence in massachusetts, but you can be paroled. and i think that is probably what is going to happen. i was surprised it happened this quickly. i think evidence, the compelling nature of the evidence john talked about that they've been able to put together so quickly. >> mark, if he had made the google searches, how to dispose of a 115-pound woman's body before she disappeared, had he gone to the home depot and spent 400 something dollars on duct

tape and plastic tarps before she was known to have disappeared, that might argue for first-degree murder? >> without question. if he had done any of this before the fact it evidences that premeditation, malice aforethought that they need. however, what he did do was do it afterwards which suggests the opposite. it suggests no plan. it suggests no insight as to how to do it until after it was done. and now he is figuring out how to get rid of the body. >> or he is just a terrible, if he in fact did it, you know, just didn't plan it very well and thought about it afterward. there is no body. is there precedent for charging a murder case without a body? >> there is. think of famous cases we know. the disappearance of atonpates convicted without a body, cases where her husband as we later found out pushed her out of an

airplane, private plane over the ocean. never recovered the body. he was convicted. there is also a case right there in quincy, massachusetts, dates back to 1998. husband kills the wife. body is never recovered. borrowed a saw from a neighbor. threw away a mattress. some biological evidence. he was convicted and he is serving two life terms. >> wow. cnn confirmed today that ana walshe's employer was the first to report her missing to police not actually her husband. again, with all the other circumstantial evidence to come out so far, the internet search we talked about, it does seem like his defense attorney has her work cut out for her. >> no question. she is a good defense attorney. i know her. she has her work cut out without question because it looks as though the forensic evidence is compelling. it used to be 20 years ago having a body was helpful. now that forensic evidence really helps but again, looking at i think a second-degree murder, trying an explanation of

nonintent for the crime, but the cover-up is what will give him the conviction. maybe with a chance for some parole after a lengthy sentence. >> what kind of details do you think would be learned at the arraignment tomorrow that would sort of help us understand what happened? >> so i think we have the potential when they release the charging document that has the details which the district attorney basically gave us a lot of what he had when he charged her with misleading the police i think we'll see the other half of that when they up the charge to murder that is going to tell us the answer to things like, the hacksaw that was found at the garbage dump from the trash that they believe was removed from his house, is there blood on there that matches? is there bone matter? did they find bone fragments at either end, the basement or the garbage dump? and then does that match the dna they took from the children? these are the things, the scientific evidence, that was within the million percentages it would be anybody else that

really tie a bow on cases like this. >> is there any advantage for a prosecutor to try to talk about motive at a hearing tomorrow? >> they don't need it because he is not going to get on bond. i think if he is going to charge it second degree and i presume that, then the idea of explaining some behavior, some fight, some argument going on in the past that sort of blew up the night she went missing, they can but again i think this prosecutor is going to play it close to his chest because as was said by john there is no -- or the reporter -- there is no need to show motive at this point. why throw something out that can be fodder for defense counsel? >> appreciate it. thank you. up next back to the santos story and a rare opportunity to meet someone who actually knew him, once considered him a friend and now has other things to say about the man he knew as anthony devolder, next. and, no matter how much i paid, it followed me everywhere. between the highgh interest, the fees...

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more now on george santos who got tapped to serve on two house committees we know to be true. this we know is not. george santos' new audio tape of him. >> you know it is funny i actually went to school on a volleyball scholarship. >> you did. >> i did, yeah. when i was in baruch we were the number one volleyball team. >> did you graduate from there? >> i did. >> so did i. >> very cool. great school. great institution. it is funny we went to play against harvard yale and we slayed them. i sacrificed both knees and got

very nice knee replacements from hss. >> oh, wow chlth playing volleyball. that is how serious i took the game. >> okay. again, he didn't go to baruch. he didn't play volleyball. i don't know how they did against harvard and yale but he wasn't on the team. i don't even know if they have a volleyball team. i don't know about his knee caps. if i ever interview him i will ask him. most of that is just not true. the knee caps we can't vouch for. the question is who is this guy and how long has he been this way? joining us now a one time friend and roommate of his gregory park. i appreciate you being with us. you knew him as anthony devolder from 2013 to 2018. how long did you actually live together? >> we were only roommates for a few months. i also knew him as anthony zebrosky. >> why did he say he had two names then?

>> well, he used zebrosky for his friends of pets united, his gofundme. he would say oh, well the jews will give more if you're a jew. so that is the name he used for his gofundmes. >> what was he having gofundmes for back then? >> he had a pet charity, friends of pets united. it was supposedly to help out with sick animals and things like that. there's actually just an article released from one of my reporters who has been interviewing a lot, jacqueline sweet, about how he conned a homeless military vet out of $3,000 for his service dog. and yeah. >> did he actually have a pet charity? i mean, did he have a pet? >> he did like dogs, yes.

but he never had any activity as far as taking animals to the vet or buying food or anything when i went to visit him when this so-called charity was active. they were getting donations. >> he told you apparently a lot of lies about himself as well. >> yes. he said he went to baruch. he said he went to nyu. he worked at goldman. he worked at citigroup. i mean, i am more apt to find a sliver of truth than i am a lie because everything he said to me was a lie. he lied about his family having a home on nantucket, on the cape. he lied about his mother being a powerful woman in finance when she was, worked in a domestic capacity. >> did you actually meet his

mom? >> yes. i was very close with his mother. i believe i sent a picture in of her. >> we're showing a picture. she actually lived in the same apartment as you and santos for a time, right? >> yes, she did. it was her, her daughter tiffany, and then anthony. >> so did she know he was lying about stuff? >> yes. she would say oh, anthony and his stories. and it was kind of a shame because she was a very, very sweet, sweet woman. and, you know, she used to tell me that she worked her hands down to the bone to give him a better life in the u.s. and he didn't care. he would just take her check, you know, blow through her money, and i would come back and there would be eviction statements on the door at the house in jackson heights, the condo. i was like, if you're taking

your mother's paycheck, anthony, and taking money from me, and i'm assuming there must be some child support coming in for tiffany because she hadn't hit age of maturity yet. like where is all this money going? >> he took money from you? >> yes. i paid him for three or four months i stayed there. >> oh, for the rent. >> yes. >> and you say santos actually stole something from you. >> yes. many times. the main thing that really kind of irked me was when i went to visit him in his flushing home in 2018 i came for a few days and when i got back to boston i noticed a burrberry shirt and scarf were missing. i lose things all the time. i'm terrible. but the scarf i think the reason why it bothered me so much was because my best friend danielle had given it to me on the anniversary of my grandfather's

passing. and it was more of a sentimental value. you know, than a materialistic value >> i understand he was actually wearing something he took from you at a pre-january 6th rally in washington? >> yes. if you can believe this. >> the scarf? >> he has the audacity. >> wait a minute. he is wearing the scarf. >> a stolen scarf to a steal the election rally. you have to love the irony. and the audacity quite frankly. >> wow. >> to have that much audacity. >> when you saw him standing at this podium were you like that's the scarf that i got, that relates to my grandmother's death? i mean, that has to be infuriating. >> a few choice words i won't share with you. but, yes. i was livid. >> so what did you think when he got elected to congress? did you know he was running?

>> i knew he was planning on running in like i think 2019 because i was reading in the journal or something. but i figured he'd run again but i never in a million years would ever expect him to win. i feel like i have more of a chance of winning the powerball. >> i mean, did it make sense to you that this guy -- >> no. >> -- who you had been paying rent to who you say is taking money or borrowing money from his mom who is cleaning houses and who has eviction notices was going to run for congress? i mean, that sounds nuts. >> i mean, i feel like if he would have campaigned on, got pulled up on my boot straps or something maybe but, no. it is ridiculous. i really don't understand how he won. it doesn't make sense. >> what would you say to him

now? >> you need to resign. you got elected under false pretense. and you lied. you need to resign. do the right thing. by your constituents and by the people of the united states of america. we don't want you in congress >> i also understand that his mother, has she passed? did she die? >> she did pass away, yes >> i think i saw something in an interview given to a producer that, did he raise -- did he have a gofundme for his mother's funeral? >> yes, he did. and he also spoke with a religious leader to try to raise money as well. >> do you think that was legit? >> i honestly don't know. i can just say that from my experience dealing with him he is not trust worthy whatsoever. and he is just motivated by

money. >> hum. >> i don't want to make any speculations. >> true. i appreciate you being with us. thank you. >> no problem. have a good evening. just ahead the former president accuses evangelical leaders of, quote, disloyalty. we'll talk about the very important republican demographic now up for grabs in 2024. more ahead.

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the former president's once close relationship with white evangelicals a bedrock of his 2016 rise through the primaries into the presidency appears to be fraying. on monday he spoke in a conservative broadcast and lashed out at evangelical leaders for not already endorsing his latest bid for the white house. >> a sign of disloyalty. there is great disloyalty in the world of politics and that is a sign of disloyalty because nobody as you know and you would know better than anybody because you do such a great job, nobody has ever done more for right to life than donald trump. >> during the same interview he appeared to deflect the blame he and his hand picked candidates received for republicans' underwhelming performance in the midterm saying evangelicals could have fought much harder. what do you think of this first of all the, does it make sense he would go on record kined of

criticizing evangelicals for not being loyal enough? >> it is almost natural that he would bring up so and so criticized you that is his kind of automatic response, kind of a reaction for him. for this though it is notable because that was such a key bloc in 2016. they helped him also in 2020. evangelical voters helped put trump in the white house. i was talking to several of his former advisers and they were saying they view it as kind of self-defeating. they are not totally surprised by it because it comes as he is having these broader fears about what the 2024 field is going to look like. he doesn't like the idea anyone is challenging him but to hear him go after them and also to say they didn't fight hard enough in the 2022 midterm elections saying that basically once the supreme court had overturned roe vs. wade which is obviously something that motivated them to go to the polls for so long, people i was speaking to were saying it is self-defeating for him to go after that group that helped him so much after the one win which

is why they said they put him in the white house to appoint conservative judges. >> he did deliver for evangelical voters whether he truly believed in what he was doing or not. he did deliver what he said he would which many other politicians, republicans had promised to evangelical voters offer the years in presidential races and not actually delivered on. but it was always sort of a marriage of convenience. when you have mike pence running for president, it is obvious why a lot of evangelicals if he could win would probably prefer him. >> anderson, forgive me. i lost you for a second so i may not have gotten your full question but i was listening to what kaitlan was saying earlier. i think the reality here is that this is, politics is not the mob. it is not all about loyalty. it is about winning. evangelical leaders in particular saw that trump lost the 2020 election and now they have other choices and none of

them want to get on board with a losing train before they actually see what the options are here. i think that helps kind of explain the actions of a lot of these leaders. you know, kaitlan is right. this was an important bloc for trump, for any conservative candidate. he worked really hard putting out a letter saying i'll nominate these judges if you elect me. he did a lot of things to make sure he had trust from that group. but the reality is that trust was broken when he lost and they know that it is unlikely he potentially is going to win the white house again or could potentially be the toughest horse to get behind here. >> kaitlan, i interviewed bart barber the president of the southern baptist convention a while back for a "60 minutes" profile. he is a very straight forward guy, not a megachurch pastor, head of now the largest evangelical organization. he clearly said he would back

pence in a primary. he would have no problem. and obviously in a general he was saying we'll see who the other candidates are. but the fact there are other republicans in the race whose morality not only support the same policies trump supported but whose morality is not as questionable as trump's, it's understandable why some evangelical leaders would be hoping those would rise. >> if tim scott gets in the race you could see who their preferred candidate would be. obviously the guy who said two corinthians -- >> are he never asked for forgiveness. they wanted a point conservative judges to the supreme court who would overturn roe versus wade and given his feud with mitch mcconnell, a key person in that. i think it's clear that is why they're looking at it this way. it's not just that pastor as well but look at jon robinson,

he was critical of trump in the fall saying he was like an elementary school kid. he would try to give him advice and stop tweeting, stop talking and shooting off the hip, shooting from the hip, and he would continue to do so. you've seen robert jeffress who said i'll support who the nominee is and support trump if he's the nominee but making clear he won't necessarily get involved and ron desantis' campaign ad where they were say god needed a fighter, a protector so he made ron desantis -- they are going for that group. >> right. kasie, mike pence has a book tour based in evangelical churches around the country. >> yeah, he schurr does and he's a very natural candidate for this group. this has been kind of his rock solid bloc for his entire political career. now, that said, i think there are a lot of questions across the board about, you know, what pence's constituency is considering where he stands with donald trump and, you know, one question i have talking about

e evangelical leaders. their flock doesn't necessarily follow them on things like this and, you know, i'd be interested to see if any congregations don't harbor a lot that support trump. i think it's going to be my question as we head into the campaign season. >> yeah, it's a good point, kasie hunt and kaitlan collins. a child waving around a loaded handgun in an apartment complex that was on live television. details aheaead. at clearchoice was going to afford her that p permanent solution. [ marcia ] clearchoice dental implants gave me the ability to take on the world. i feel so much better, and i think that that is the key.

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a man in indiana facing a felony child neglect charge after his child was waving a loaded gun in an apartment complex. the man said he was ill and did not know the child left the apartment. jean casarez has more. >> reporter: police in beach grove, indiana, respond to a 911 call. there's a person with a gun in the hallway of an apartment complex. when police arrive a neighbor tells them, it was a toddler holding a gun.

>> my son opened the door and this little boy upstairs was standing there with a firearm. >> reporter: police make their way to the apartment at january 14th at 6:13 p.m. >> hello, police. >> reporter: police say it was the toddler wearing only a diaper who opened the door. a man enters from a back room. >> we're here because the downstairs neighbors said they saw your son running around with something they thought was a silver handgun. >> reporter: the man shane osborne said he didn't know the child left the apartment. he further advised there was no handgun in the apartment. the officers do a cursory search. nothing in plain view so leave with one last comment to osbornee. >> you might want to do a better job of locking your door.

>> i will. >> reporter: as police are leaving the apartment the first neighbor insists the toddler was waving a real gun. >> that baby had a gun. he pointed it at me. i had a gun. he pointed at me and said look what i got. >> reporter: officers keep going and as they are almost out the door, another neighbor emerges asking them to look at recorded security camera footage on her phone. there he is. the toddler waving a gun and pulling the trigger. >> go back up there. they enter the apartment a second time. >> we have video of your kid holding a gun so you have a gun. >> i don't have a gun. i have never brought a gun in this house. if there is a gun -- >> we need to figure out where the firearm is. >> reporter: with concept to search they now look everywhere. >> where did you put down the

toy. >> reporter: osborne finally motioned to a rolltop desk. neatly placed inside was a loaded 9 millimeter pistol with 15 pounds in the magazine. no rounds were in the chamber so the gun couldn't fire. osborne, the boy's purported father is arrested. >> after speaking to on call prosecutors, they said there's enough for child neglect. that's a felony since it was a loaded firearm that he was unsupervised with. >> this is incredible. >> and it's the truth. it's real. the body cameras thank goodness they had them, right? so osborne's initial court appearance thursday 1:00. these are arresting charges. neglect of a dependent or a child. now, the prosecutor could add more charges. they can opt not to prosecute and it's interesting. i looked up a law. this is a felony that right now he's being arrested on.

it's knowingly or intentionally putting that child in danger. knowingly intentionally. he said he didn't know there was a gun. now, he also said that he has a cussen and his cousin will leave the gun at the apartment every now and then when he's feeley mentally unstable. >> oh, that's good. >> but he said the gun is always in his room but he said i have no never brought a gun in so knowingly intentionally. did he know? >> well, thank goodness for those neighbors. you say, see something, say something. >> they were going to leave. >> they said something repeated willy. >> and the police were going to leave. >> jean, appreciate it. coming up we look at some of the issues house republicans plan to investigate when it comes from the first family of hunter biden's business dealings. what is means for the 46th commander in chief ahead. ...and our most advanced safetyty system ever. ♪ ♪