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putting that child in danger. knowingly intentionally. he said he didn't know there was a gun. now, he also said that he has a cussen and his cousin will leave the gun at the apartment every now and then when he's feeley mentally unstable. >> oh, that's good. >> but he said the gun is always in his room but he said i have no never brought a gun in so knowingly intentionally. did he know? >> well, thank goodness for those neighbors. you say, see something, say something. >> they were going to leave. >> they said something repeated willy. >> and the police were going to leave. >> jean, appreciate it. coming up we look at some of the issues house republicans plan to investigate when it comes from the first family of hunter biden's business dealings. what is means for the 46th commander in chief ahead. ...and our most advanced safetyty system ever. ♪ ♪
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patrick moore. he is a longtime biden campaign attorney, election lawyer who was present when the first batch of documents were found back in november. he was among the people there who were trying to go through the boxes of documents that were being removed from a private office that president biden used during the trump administration. this is at the penn biden center here in washington. we're told that, you know, he is one of the people essentially who was first on the scene there and was an important person for the fbi to talk to. >> the attorney turned over a set of nonclassified personal documents to the archive, right? >> reporter: that's right so after they found the classified documents and they turned over those documents to the national archives, they decided according to the white house team out of
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an abundance of caution they decided that they wanted to turn over pretty much everything and so there are a number of documents including some speeches, private, personal speeches and reference material that he had had shipped back to his office back in boston that were then turned over to the national archives, again, they say out of an abundance of caution. we've talked to the white house and to president biden's private attorneys and they declined to comment for the story but, anderson, it gives you a picture of the white house's perspective and president biden's perspective, they view this as going overboard trying to cooperate with this investigation in contrast with the one that's going on still into the mar-a-lago documents. >> evan, appreciate it. from that direct examination now with the president and people around him to the investigations that house republicans are ready to launch into business dealings by members of his family that includes allegations his son
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hunter traited on his familial connections more from pamela brown. >> reporter: he built his political career on promises of honesty, hard work and a pledge that a family name means something. >> i give my word as a biden. >> i give you my word as a biden but but while he swears by his name in politics his son and two brothers tried years to benefit from the name. all now the focus of a republican-led congressional investigation. >> we want to know what the biden administration is trying to hide from the american people and why they are not being transparent. >> reporter: republican congressman james comer now chairs the house oversight committee and has set his sights on joe biden's son hunter. a mysterious laptop now in the hands of the fbi and long held conspiracy theories about president joe biden and what he does or doesn't know. >> i have never discussed with my son or my brother or anyone else anything having to do with
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their business, period. >> reporter: despite his denials, a cnn review of the laptop data as well as other public material shows that joe biden did interact with some of his son's associates while serving as vice president though it's unclear what was discussed. one example, the republican site a mexican businessman and son of the former president who hunter was trying to woo. in 2014 he and his dad were photographed at the white house with then vice president biden. in a later email, hunter biden reminds him of the favors he's done for him. we have been talking about business deals and partnerships for seven years. i have brought every single person you have ever asked me to bring to the effing white house and the vice president's house and the inauguration. he bluntly acknowledged the power of the biden name writing that the ukrainian energy company burisma which put him on
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its board considered my last name gold. >> i don't think there's a lot of things that would happen in my life that would happen if my last name wasn't biden. >> frank biden a development of for profit charter schools has invoked his brother in trying to get people to approve his projects like in sunrise florida where he he told the city to trust his venture. >> not because of frank but because of the honor of being the brother of a guy, i think we all know and love. >> reporter: in 2021 at a gathering of medical professionals he made this pledge. >> the bully pulpit that i have as a result of the privilege of being associated with my brother joey and i'll do everything in my power to support you to get the job done. to get federal dollars, to your research. >> reporter: frank biden told cnn there has been zero interaction between his brother's public office and his private business.
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adding, do i engage in any way in quid pro quo on any level? absolutely not. >> the last name gave credibility initially. >> reporter: michael fray told cnn joe biden's other brother james broke financial promises he made while referencing the biden name. fray's company filed a lawsuit alleging fraud by james biden who denied the claims. fray spoke to cnn before the lawsuit settled in 2020. >> everything was on the biden name and so we took that to heart. >> reporter: james biden was also named in a lawsuit filed in july. he allegedly received about $600,000 in loans in 2018 from a company he worked with, americorps health based upon representations his last name biden could open doors and that he could obtain a large investment from the middle east based on his political connections and the investment was never delivered. the lawsuit settled though james biden deny the 9 allegations in
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court filings and did not respond to a request for comment. kathleen clark calls it all troubling. >> we have certainly examples of biden family members explicitly trading on his name, trying to convince business partners to do deals with them. that's outrageous. >> reporter: even so government ethics experts say the bidens' ethical comparisons pale in comparison to donald trump. >> trump was corrupt and certainly did enrich himself through the use of government power. >> reporter: even the republican congressman leading the biden investigation raises concerns about trump's dealings while president. >> and you believe there should have been more transparency with trump and his family members. >> i do. i do. i absolutely do. >> reporter: comer says he wants to introduce bipartisan legislation to tighten ethics laws but the committee's first priority is the bidens.
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>> pamela joins us now. what is the white house saying? >> it's important that there is no proof the president did anything illegal. we did send the white house a list of questions including whether the president stands by his statement that he never discussed his relatives' businesses with them and in response, the white house sent us this statement saying the president has pledged to restore ethics to the white house and has established the most rigorous ethics guidelines of any administration in history, no family member has or will serve in the administration or be involved in government decision-making. anderson. >> pamela, appreciate it. thanks. more on how the white house is hamming this and the documents issue. here to talk about it two veterans, crisis management cnn senior political communicator david axelrod and cnn political commenter alyssa farah griffin who served in the previous administration. david, how do you think the biden administration will deal with the huge microscope on his family by the republican-led
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house? >> i think they've had some time to think about it because the republicans haven't been subtle about the fact this was going to be an area of inquiry. i think, look, i'm old enough to remember other siblings, billy carter and roger clinton and others who created embarrassment for their presidential sibling, but if you can't prove a quid pro quo, if there is no influence peddling is only influence peddling if you have influence and you wield it. if there's no evidence of influence being wielded, it's embarrassing. clearly there's some evidence that they are using his name for their own advantage, but not necessarily getting much result in terms of what the government does and i think that's where the rubber hits the road. >> alyssa, how do you see this house investigation? >> i hope that comer's words are right that he's going to look into just broadly any sort of,
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you know, impropriety we pay see in government. you can't talk about the very legitimate concerns about hunter biden and not talk about the former president as well. i don't expect to see that with this committee. they've launched and been very clear the republican-led committee will be extremely partisan. i don't know i think that gets us anywhere good. remind you hupp's under investigation by the doj. if there's going to be accountability into any wrongdoing, anything regarding his taxes it's going to come from there. it's not going to come from a congressional committee with subpoena power. >> david, with we last spoke last week, you thought the white house handling the classified documents issue was suboptimal. is it worse than suboptimal now? >> look, i think what we've seen is the tension between lawyers and political and communications people. i think alyssa would speak to the fact that political folk, communications folks would say, get it all out quickly, get it all out in total.
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lawyers now that it's become a legal matter, you have the special counsel are going to say, be circumspect, don't say anything until we know exactly what we're dealing with here. let's work through them. refer all questions to them, and you can see, you hear the president, there's obvious leaks about how frustrated he is. the source of that frustration was tension. he wasn't answers questions today because his communications people told him not to. his lawyers are saying, let's let the process run here and that's probably the prudent advice but it has terrible, now he, short-term political implications because we're here talking about it night after night. >> if you were in the communications office how would you handle it? >> it was not well handled this pass week or so. said expectations, i think it would be wise for the white house to say there may be additional documents found but you have a commitment we'll be
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transparent and make them aware as soon as they come forward and fully complying with the doj. i think it would be smart to kind of separate this, perhaps have a separate -- they have separate counsel but also have a separate spokesperson to defer these questions. this is not something they should be talking about at the white house podium and have somebody who is really credible seen as nonpartisan, that's answering questions on this. i hate to throw someone under the bus but somebody like an admiral kirby could answer questions in the public interest without bringing partisan politics into it. >> david? >> you know, well, the thing is that if you say we will come forward every time a new document is discovered, you're essentially setting yourself up for what we saw. i think there's what they were trying to avoid. i don't think they know or did know, i don't know what they know now, but you don't want serial revelations, well, three more documents, four more
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documents. better to let the investigation run and, in fact, i think ian sams who responded today is alyssa, designated to answer these kinds of questions so they're trying to do that but if you think back to the clinton scandal, monica lewinsky back in the day, they were very, very assiduous about the president is not going to deal with this. we're not going to deal with this. you know, you can talk to the lawyers. you can talk to the justice department. special counsel, we're not -- we're going to do the business of government. be smart to -- you do one or the other but not half and half. >> appreciate it. coming up next the congresswoman who once embraced the 9/11 conspiracy theory ended up on the homeland security committee. missing mom ana walshe with her husband hours away from being charged. ♪ capella university seess education differently. our flexpath learning format helps you controrol the pace and cost
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congresswoman marjorie taylor greene sits on the homeland security committee. how she got there and into house speaker's kevin mccarthy's inner circle is a story in and of itself. >> reporter: she is take on a new role in congress. being a team player. and so far this year she's lining up squarely behind speaker kevin mccarthy. >> if we don't unify behind kevin mccarthy, we're opening up the door for the democrats to be able to recruit some of our republicans. >> reporter: the evolution of the georgia congresswoman has been remarkable to watch or
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transactional in the eyes of some critics as she took center stage in mccarthy's overtime race for speaker. she worked to win every last vote. even handing her phone with former president donald trump on the line to congressman matt rosendale of montana who brushed back her arm twitting. a one-time proud republican rabble-rouser. >> i'm not afraid of the civil war and gop. i lean into it. >> reporter: now has a seat at the table on two key committees. a new role after a committee assignment was stripped for making incendiary comments when democrats controlled the house. cnn has learned with mccarthy's blessing she has landed prime seats on the oversight committee that will investigate the press and homeland security committee with jurisdiction over the border. the panel will lead the charge to probe and potentially move to impeach alejandro mayorkas. >> house republicans are committed and we are are all together going to do something about this problem to secure our border.
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>> reporter: she's beginning her second term in congress in a far different place than when she first arrived in washington after being elected in 2020 from georgia's deep red 14th district. a litany of previous statements unspoiled like a soundtrack of controversy and conspiracy. >> there is an islamic invasion into our government offices right now. >> how do you get avid gun owners and people that support the second amendment to give up their guns? maybe you accomplish that by performing a mass shooting into a crowd. >> the so-called plane that crashed into the pentagon, it's odd there's never any evidence shown for a plane in the pentagon. >> reporter: and she made clear in late 2021 she had little interest playing nice with leaders of her own party. >> respect is earned. it's earned. it's not given. >> do you respect the republican leadership. >> no, i don't respect them at all. >> reporter: heading into the midterm elections last fall republican leaders noticed a change. her criticism cooled and she was on hand in pennsylvania cheering
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on mccarthy as he unveiled the gop agenda. >> we're going to repeal 87,000 irs agents. >> our job is to work for you, not go after you. our job is to make america stronger. >> reporter: her support never wavered during the bruising speaker's vote distancing herself from outspoken critics to which she once belonged. her transformation whether temporary or permanent is a sign of strategic maturity, indeed she told cnn's manu raju republicans must show they can govern. >> i really want to see us to come together. there's an important race coming up in 2024. and republicans, we have to prove to the country that we can be trusted to lead. >> jeff zeleny joins us now along with abby phillip. in your piece and comments she made 9/11 questioning the attack on the pentagon, now she'll have a seat on the homeland security
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committee which was founded in reaction to 9/11. what do we expect for her on that committee? >> she is first and foremost focused on the border, of course, that's what many house republicans are focused on particularly the policies of the biden administration and of the dhs secretary alejandro mayorkas so look for an investigation that could potentially lead to impeachment proceedings. we will see how that plays out but this is really a test for her because just today she was put back on these committees. she's essentially been -- had a lot of free time on her hand the last couple of years because she hasn't served on any committees but she will be serving on the homeland security committee and oversight committee so we'll see how thee conducts herself. she will be a member but the border seems at least for now her focus. >> abby, she supported kevin mccarthy throughout his bid. greene showing unwavering dedication. where does this place her in the republican party?
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>> she said several months ago if republicans took over the house of representatives which they did, that she would be one of the most powerful members of the house and i think that she probably like a lot of other members given out their maul majority is in a real position of power because i think that she leapt kevin mccarthy quite a lot of credibility and that relationship if it is transactional it is in both directions. he needs her as much as she needs him for an opportunity to be on committees to have some kind of real power. so i think that she's strategically has quite a lot of power right now. the question is, is she going to use it in a way that that is good for her or good for the republican ma scombroert. i think those are not necessarily the same thing and we'll see whether this strategic maturity that jeff is talking about holds once there's a lot of pressure on kevin mccarthy in the coming months from the right
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flank of which she's still a part. >> so she's clearly, jeff, trying to distance herself from anti-semitic comments and the qanon crazy stuff. >> she's speaking to a couple different channels. still not shying away from some of the sharp comments that she's made but she is shying away from, you know, all the conspiracy theories that sort of brought her in and changed her staff in some respects and she seems like she wants to be part of this republican majority but, of course, wanted to be -- have her committee assigns back so we'll see how this plays out with the base but she certainly has a lot of room here because her district is deep red. so certainly supporting the republican agenda is something most of her constituents would support. >> she did tell president trump that qanon devotees would attend
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his rally according to transcripts released. just last week she seemed to distance herself from qanon. how she did that, i want to play. >> like a lot of people today i had easily gotten sucked into some things i had seen on the internet but that was dealt with quickly early on. i never campaigned on those things. that was not something i believed in. that's not what i ran for congress on. so those are so far in the past. >> do you think her distancing herself suddenly from this is going to work and rebranding herself as a more mainstream republican? abby? >> well, you know, we'll see. i mean, look, she says she didn't run on this stuff but i do think that it was a key part of how she established her conservative bona fides to the republican base. that is really important. in that seat now. it's ruby red but for that reason, she may need to prove
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that she is still, you know, one with the base and, frankly, kevin mccarthy is the speaker but he has, you know, really a tenuous relationship with the kind of fundamentalist core of the republican party which only time little tell whether this holes and say, anderson, she -- all of the stuff about can cqann is one thing but she hasn't denounced them. >> they're not that far in the distance, the white nationalist stuff. coming up. the husband of ana walshe is hours away from being charged with her mode. no sign of her body being found. false claims and disturbing clues.
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ago. he was already in jail after prosecutors say he tried to make the search for ana more difficult. national correspondent jason carroll looks at what led to this moment even with no trace right now of ana walshe. >> i think the number one concern is finding ana and finding out what happened. >> reporter: the time line in the mystery of what happened to ana walshe spans more than two weeks starting on new year's day. that's when her husband, brian walshe claimed she left in a ride share or taxi to fly to washington, d.c. for work. but prosecutors say there is no evidence ana got a ride or went to the airport. brian walshe tells investigators on this day he ran ear's for his mother in a nearby town. but they find no evidence those trips occurred. january 2nd, prosecutors say walshe went to a home depot and spent about $450 in cash on cleaning supplies like mops, bucket and tarps. january 4th, ana walshe's
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workplace, a d.c. real estate firm calls police to report her missing. a police log would later confirm the head of security at the firm was the first to report her missing to police and that her husband has not filed a missing person report on her. her friends begin to fear the worst. >> i think something horribly went wrong when it comes to her. >> reporter: january 6th police start a massive search in cohasset and law enforcement forces say his internet records in the days following her disappearance show searches for how to dismember a body and how to dispose of a 115-pound woman's body. january 8th, walshe is charged with misleading investigators. >> early in this investigation the police developed probable cause to believe her husband, brian walshe, age 47 misled police investigators on material matters important to the search for ana walshe. >> reporter: walshe is taken
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into custody and a not guilty plea is entered on his behalf the next day, january 9th investigators recover a bloody knife in the family base s, also finding a hacksaw and torn up pieces of cloth with apparent bloodstains at a trash facility. this according to law enforcement sources. january 17th, walshe is charged with his wife's murder, his arraignment set for wednesday with the district attorney saying additional details about the case will be released. his attorneys decline to comment on the latest charge. those who knew ana walshe now left wondering why the mother of three young boys would have been killed. >> she was beautiful every day. when i saw -- every day she was decked out and she was just -- her smile, she smiled and i never saw her upset. i never saw him upset. it was just the strangest thing. >> reporter: jason carroll, cnn, cohasset, massachusetts. >> well, brian walshe is
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killed in the attack that claimed dozens of lives in dnipro. another reminder of the continued horror faced by ukrainians in the war that vladimir putin launched nearly a year ago. one of his most trusted allies in that mission is the head of the private military group known as the wagner group, yevgeny prigozhin, who you see on the right recruiting inside russian prisons and told a group of former vicks that their criminal talents are no longer needed and reminded them not to end up in the slammer again implying they were free to live their lives outside prison yet tonight we're learning much more about the defection of a mercenary once in the wagner group that offers a stark glimpse of what happens. nic robertson has more. >> reporter: andrei medvedev is lucky to be alive. the former wagner unit commanders says he fled russia in a daring escape dodging bullets and dogs across a frozen
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river to norway. [ speaking non-english ] >> translator: i've been chased. i'm afraid for my life. >> reporter: afraid, he says, because he has witnessed the murderous atrocities in ukraine committed in the name of his ex-boss, wagner oligarch yevgeny prigozhin, a./k/a putin's chef and wants to tell all. russians killing russians, some of them former prisoners freed from russian jails to fight for wagner. [ speaking non-english ] >> translator: i know cases where prisoners were demonstratively shot dead for refusing to fight. here, this is what will happen to you. >> reporter: he says he joined wagner in july last year, signed up for four months, fought near bakhmut in eastern ukraine. but when prigozhin began recruiting former prisoners to
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swell wagner's ranks, medvedev saw a deadly change. wanted out as his contract ended but wasn't allowed to quit. [ speaking non-english ] >> translator: since the moment the prisoners have come to serve with us strange things and murders of their own recruited prisoners by the wagner service and foolish orders start to happen to die as cannon fodder. >> reporter: he is the highest ranking wagner fighter to flee to the west. his eyewitness account of prigozhin's murderous practices in ukraine is revelatory. >> he is really a target for the russian special forces, for security service from wagner group. it's very high risk of die. >> reporter: human rights
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activist activist vladimir helped him escape and wants his story to get out. >> it's very important to do the international investigation about this. it's very important to open this information to the russian people to understand what has happened. >> reporter: medvedev's biggest revelation will likely be the most damaging to putin and prigozhin's recruitment drives. last month prigozhin recorded this callous video purporting to pose in front of his dead fighters in body bags claiming their contracts were complete and they were on their way back home. but medvedev says he's seen the truth. many fighters never making it home because prigozhin is too cheap to pay out insurance on their death.
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[ speaking non-english ] >> translator: the majority were buried then declared missing. the insurance only pays out money to relatives of the deceased if the body was identified and handed over to the relatives. so they were just declaring everyone as missing. >> reporter: well, right now medvedev is at a secure location in norway telling investigators every detail that he can remember. he says he didn't commit a crime but wants those responsible for all the murders to be brought to justice. anderson. >> nic robertson, thanks. coming up details on the disappearance of a 22-year-old who believed the rantings of a conspiracist and is missing at sea. randi kaye has the story next. ft lets you earn your bachelor's degree at your pace. nicorette knows quitting smoking is freaking hard. you get advice like... try hypnosis... or, qu cold turkey. are you kidding me?
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with your monthly support right away. your support shows you care too. >> covid has killed more than 1 million people in the u.s. since the start of the pandemic. it's currently the third leading cause of death in this country. and yet, since the beginning, many have chosen to embrace misinformation on the virus and the vaccine. randi kaye announces the story of 1:20-year-old who is been missing for more than two years ever since he succumb to the teaching of a conspiracy theorist and sought what he thought would be an island paradise. >> we were out of town. we came back from chicago. he was gone >> abigail and john
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have not seen their son isaac's son number of 2020. that's when they say he ran off to hawaii to follow his so-called guru. >> i've known about the end times for many years. >> that groove, matthew mellow. he goes by the name mordechai l's are on social media, including his youtube channel, where he offers sermons about what he says is satan's plan to destroy society, and false claims about the dangers of the covid 19 vaccine, which he calls the mark of the beast. >> today, people don't even know what the mark of the beast is. those who do still don't. they think it's an rfid chip or something of that manner. >> mellow had posted this recruitment video online, encouraging men to join him and sale to the south pacific. in it, he suggested society was doomed. >> i'd like to extend an invitation, i'm basically the coordinator of the strip. >> back home in grand rapids, michigan, 20-year-old isaac damien signed up. his parents say his mental health had worsened since the pandemic began, and that heat
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mistakenly come to believe the vaccine was the governments way of controlling the population. even the covid test scared him. he'd been encouraging his parents to sell all of their belongings, and move to a bunker. at the time, they had no idea he had been listening to the teachings of matthew mellow. labor day weekend, 2020, isaac left home without warning. he left behind this note for his younger siblings, warning them do not get the vaccine or you will not make it to heaven. author and journalist david woman investigated this case for the new york times. >> this guru clown whose base in hawaii at the time, he convince them to fly to hawaii and joined him on this journey across a huge portion of the pacific ocean to find some covid free place where they could start again, and escape satan's grand plan.
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>> isaac called his parents on october 4th, 2020, from hawaii, to say he'd be off the grid for about 30 days. he would not say who he was with or where he was going. >> he said it was better if he did not. but he always said i wish i could tell you. >> this is one of the last text messages isaac since his mother. october 4th, 2020, a photo of a giant fish he caught. his family never heard from him again. they would learn later from sheriffs investigators that he connected with matthew mellow, who had arranged for a couple of boat captains to sail him and his recruits to the south pacific, where covid had not taken hold. isaac, and another man from rochester, new york, named abdul or a shot would go and captain mike schmidt's boat, well mellow left days later and another bold. >> they actually had a really good time, these two. they caught a lot of fish. >> the trip took a dark turn, one after almost two months at
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sea,, captain schmidt approach the island of wallace, a french territory between hawaii and new zealand. schmidt said when he alerted local authorities about their arrival, the two men panicked about to having to take a covid test upon arrival. he said they did the unthinkable, and suddenly jumped overboard. >> they were afraid of taking the covid test, it being the mark of the beast. they had gotten involved with the guru. they were convinced that for sure that the pcr test had nefarious things inside, along with the vaccine. and the vaccine wasn't even really out. >> schmidt says he called wallis island authorities for help, and flag on a fishing boat to search. he believes the man had a plan to slip into oblivion with mellow, giving up all ties the united states. >> they had really been led astray by this instagram era want to be profit guru, who for
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some strange reason, spoken just the right way and manner and with the right diction to draw these two young men in. it was really this witches brew of covid conspiracy theory meets and times prophecy meets kind of diy christian fundamentalism meets a lot of stress in turmoil regarding the 2020 election. >> mellow did not respond to our repeated request for comment. according to this french police report, captain schmidt was interrogated. and authorities confiscated his nine millimeter pistol, laptop, and garman gps device from the boat. schmidt was eventually cleared and that investigation. >> i never did anything to harm these guys ever. >> dive teams search the area for the man, but found nothing. isaac's parents filed this missing person report with the kent county sheriff's department in michigan, and have appeal to the state department and french authorities for help.
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but years later, they are no closer to finding their son. >> we do have hope he's alive, because there hasn't been any evidence to prove otherwise. it's possible that he wanted to go off the grid, and he's in a manic state. it's possible that he wasn't willingly kidnapped. it is possible that he didn't drown. if somebody said to you your child probably dry it, would you just accept that and just move on? it's not something we can do. >> randy, those four, parents it's an impossible situation for them. any idea where this so-called guru is? >> there are a lot of questions about where he is, anderson. a lot of questions still about this investigation. isaac's parents got a letter from french authorities saying they close the investigation. they basically concluded that isaac and the other man drowned. his parents are now asking and considering an appeal in that
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case. and maybe they would reopen that investigation. we also know from kent county sheriff's office in michigan that they're missing person investigation is still open. but as to where matthew mehl, of the so-called coup, is the man who wrote the article for the new york times, he actually found him and spoke to him on an island in french polynesia. he said he's still there, peddling his nonsense and talking false claims about covid-19. he's riding his bike around, handing out leaflets, telling parents not to get their children vaccinated, talking about the illuminati, talking about the mark of the beach. and david woman also asked him, anderson, about the men and their disappearance. and apparently he told him that he referred to them as his brothers and he said they died in god's good graces. and of course anderson, and we don't know if they are dead or alive, because as you heard isaac's mother saying, no remains have been found. >> it's just awful. randi kaye, i appreciate it. thank you. the news continues. cnn tonight with laura coates is next, right after a break. fromom unitedhealthcare she got a medicare plan expert to h help guide her with the right care team behind her.
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